Progress thread Come on gains

[oldandlively]

@DLD @oldandlively

When will I know when to increase intensity, will it simply be when no more gains are coming?

Increasing intensity is based on the time period and when your penile sensitivity adopts to the stress load. Here's an example:

When you're doing a manual pull straight down, and then up, for the last 2 to 3 weeks, roughly around 2.5lbs to 3lbs of pulling tension, your penis feels relaxed without any pain. This is where you will need to increase the intensity up. First, you need to pull until you get that dull feeling, as if you're getting a strong pull but without any pain. The pull feels like something is stressing but that dull sensation of the pull is no where painful. If you can meausure that pulling stress load, or known as traction load, record it as a your moderate level. It can be somewhere 5 to 6 lbs.

Now, from there, go up just a little bit more. That dull pull that feels like something is being uprooted then turns to a dull but slightly tingly feeling without the pain. When you hit any kind of pain, you're going too far. Back off just slightly to get that tingly but dull pulling sensation. That is your upper traction load. It may be 7 to 8 lbs. Measure if you can so you can get to know your range at all time.

Start from the lower limit where you are now to get the warm up stretches because your penile tissues adopts the current comfortable traction load.

Then, from 2.5lbs to 3lbs (as an example), you go up to the moderate traction load just for a few minutes for the exercises to loosen up the tissues a bit more.

Then switch from moderate to upper traction load for a few more exercises to optimize your maximum lengthening capacity.

Lastly, switch down between the lower and moderate traction loads and stay in this zone for the rest of your exercises. Once you reach the high traction load, your tissue are primed and will continue to stretch. You don't need to remain at the high traciton load zone to keep things stretched. Stay and the low and moderate traction loads to prevent your tissues from sudden shocks, triggering the preservation mode. This is when your penis retracts and turtles to protect itself.

 

[JustGrow]

Increasing intensity is based on the time period and when your penile sensitivity adopts to the stress load. Here's an example:

When you're doing a manual pull straight down, and then up, for the last 2 to 3 weeks, roughly around 2.5lbs to 3lbs of pulling tension, your penis feels relaxed without any pain. This is where you will need to increase the intensity up. First, you need to pull until you get that dull feeling, as if you're getting a strong pull but without any pain. The pull feels like something is stressing but that dull sensation of the pull is no where painful. If you can meausure that pulling stress load, or known as traction load, record it as a your moderate level. It can be somewhere 5 to 6 lbs.

Now, from there, go up just a little bit more. That dull pull that feels like something is being uprooted then turns to a dull but slightly tingly feeling without the pain. When you hit any kind of pain, you're going too far. Back off just slightly to get that tingly but dull pulling sensation. That is your upper traction load. It may be 7 to 8 lbs. Measure if you can so you can get to know your range at all time.

Start from the lower limit where you are now to get the warm up stretches because your penile tissues adopts the current comfortable traction load.

Then, from 2.5lbs to 3lbs (as an example), you go up to the moderate traction load just for a few minutes for the exercises to loosen up the tissues a bit more.

Then switch from moderate to upper traction load for a few more exercises to optimize your maximum lengthening capacity.

Lastly, switch down between the lower and moderate traction loads and stay in this zone for the rest of your exercises. Once you reach the high traction load, your tissue are primed and will continue to stretch. You don't need to remain at the high traciton load zone to keep things stretched. Stay and the low and moderate traction loads to prevent your tissues from sudden shocks, triggering the preservation mode. This is when your penis retracts and turtles to protect itself.

Very good explanation, similar to what someone might do for regular exercise, but ofcourse need to pay even closer attention to any pain and back off a bit more.

I've noticed it using the Length Master, during the two main exercises I am doing
LM bundles and LM dld rolls

At first might seem a bit tight when beginning the exercises, but there is a point when it naturally feels like I get to moderate a few minutes in

Then about halfway in I feel like I hit maximum and more would be painful, but at this point appear to reach max malleability, atleast for that days workout

At this time I continue my workout but slowly continue to push to stay in the zone you mentioned between light and modererate while still feeling the stretches

Shortly after I keep this tension when I get in the extender
Which for me currently is about 2 to 5mm above my BPFLS after my LM workout.

I appreciate the feedback
It took me a long time to figure this out naturally and your explanation really helps

Got to hit that PE zone!

 

[JustGrow]

Extender only tonight
1 hour total

Is it pointless to do just extender sometimes?

I don't think it is, because of keeping in the stretched position

Certainly not the same as doing PE work then into the extender

 

[oldandlively]

Is it pointless to do just extender sometimes?

In my opinion, if you're using the extender for 5 hours and less by itself, then yes. If you use it in a combo of pre-stretching using your hands with the SRT at moderate and high traction tension first, then it's fine.

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Starting extender rods 17.5
New extender need to measure rods???
Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 21 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 25 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 13 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 18.4cm

Extender Rod Length 18.5cm
New extender need to measure
(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)

30 min extender down
30 min extender down

After extender
18.3cm

 

[JustGrow]

About a 10 day decon break

Hoping for no loss of gains

 

[JustGrow]

Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?

@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5
New-extndr 9.8cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@11lbs
Before decon same length measuring at 9lbs
During extender wear at about the 15 min mark extender reading at 9lbs which means tissues relaxed enough to reduce tension

Probably means tight tissues and they don't feel as malleable as was feeling during the active workout phase prior to decon

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 22 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 27 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 17.9cm

Extender Rod Length 12.1cm @11lbs

***Not sure how I will use the length yet as the extender is slightly different
Old extender(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)
Will have to figure out new extender lengths

I'm thinking I will target a certain lbs setting that feels comfortable and move to that as a starting point then increase from there as the tension releases either due to temporary or permanent growth

20min extender down 5min vibe
20min extndr down
(mos red first 10 min + 5min vibe last 5min)
17min extndr down
Started turtling so took extndr off

After extender
18.1cm

 

[DLD]

Will update after current workout

Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?

@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?


Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5
New-extndr 12.1 @11lbs
Before decon same length measuring at 9lbs
During extender wear at about the 15 min mark extender reading at 9lbs which means tissues relaxed enough to reduce tension

Probably means tight tissues and they don't feel as malleable as was feeling during the active workout phase prior to decon

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 22 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 26 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 17.9cm

Extender Rod Length 12.1cm @11lbs

***Not sure how I will use the length yet as the extender is slightly different
Old extender(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)
Will have to figure out new extender lengths

I'm thinking I will target a certain lbs setting that feels comfortable and move to that as a starting point then increase from there as the tension releases either due to temporary or permanent growth

20min extender down 5min vibe
20min extndr down
(mos red first 10 min + 5min vibe last 5min)
17min extndr down
Started turtling so took extndr off

After extender
18.1cm

I think you're doing just fine.And it's very impressive to hear that you got all your gains back by simply using the MOSRED. Your workouts look great.So I think you're on your way in nineteen and twenty and beyond!

 

[oldandlively]

Will update after current workout

Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?

To use the MoS Red, simply place it around 4 to 6 inches away from the penis, and have it either shines directly onto the penile shaft as much as it can. If you're laying down, have it shines directly from the top. If you're sitting, have it shines directly at an angle to cover as much of the penile shaft as it can. Since MoS Red is 15 minutes per session, you can safely use 10 minutes for one side of the shaft and cover th rest of the other side for another 10 mintues, even though the suggested time is 15 minutes. My unit is much more intense and I use up to 25 minutes.

@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?

Rather than using MoS Red as a warm up method, do a direct heat transfer from a heat bag, heat compress, or even a warm (to slightly hot without burning your penile skin) rice sock. Direct heat application allows you to have fast heat transfer than redlight spectrum heating within the 7 to 20 minutes. As for the temporary loss of length, it's quite common when the penile tissues are not fully cemented or have not gone through the minimum cementing period. However, what you lost will quickly return. This is not a problem at all. The ligamentary tissues are still pliable enough to relax to the prior decon period. Just ease back and ease into the routines again.

 

[JustGrow]

I think you're doing just fine.And it's very impressive to hear that you got all your gains back by simply using the MOSRED. Your workouts look great.So I think you're on your way in nineteen and twenty and beyond!

Thank you for the feedback!

 

[JustGrow]

To use the MoS Red, simply place it around 4 to 6 inches away from the penis, and have it either shines directly onto the penile shaft as much as it can. If you're laying down, have it shines directly from the top. If you're sitting, have it shines directly at an angle to cover as much of the penile shaft as it can. Since MoS Red is 15 minutes per session, you can safely use 10 minutes for one side of the shaft and cover th rest of the other side for another 10 mintues, even though the suggested time is 15 minutes. My unit is much more intense and I use up to 25 minutes.



Rather than using MoS Red as a warm up method, do a direct heat transfer from a heat bag, heat compress, or even a warm (to slightly hot without burning your penile skin) rice sock. Direct heat application allows you to have fast heat transfer than redlight spectrum heating within the 7 to 20 minutes. As for the temporary loss of length, it's quite common when the penile tissues are not fully cemented or have not gone through the minimum cementing period. However, what you lost will quickly return. This is not a problem at all. The ligamentary tissues are still pliable enough to relax to the prior decon period. Just ease back and ease into the routines again.

I should have eased into it like you said

I will only do half routine first couple of days
I think thats why I turtled up today, because I jumped back in after the decon.

 

[DLD]

Thank you for the feedback!

You're welcome my brother God bless!

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5cm
New-extndr 9.8cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@11lbs

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 23 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 28 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 7 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 7 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
3 min x 30 sec manual bundles
After workout 18.2cm

Extender Rod Length 9.8cm @11lbs start
Extender RodLength 9.5cm
@9lbs end

15min extndr straight
20min extndr straight
25min extndr straight

ADS 30min

After extender
Forgot to measure cm

 

[JustGrow]

@DLD and @oldandlively
I was using a modified x4 lab extender with a cup similar to stealth stretcher and then I switched to a different extender

The new extender can put in a good tug as I measured it and I am doing 9 to 11 lbs for the tension for 1 hour in 20 min intervals
After my 20 min LM work
(10min bundles and 10min dld rolls)

Should I back out on the weight down to like 5 lbs
I feel a good tug at the 9 to 11 lbs
I just don't want it to be too much too soon and prevent future growth

Please advise
Thank you!

 

[oldandlively]

Extender Rod Length 9.8cm @11lbs start
Extender RodLength 9.5cm
@9lbs end

Just a couple of questions:

1. Did you measure/verify the actual tension exerted by the extender? You can do that either with a kitchen scale or a fishing scale.
2. 11 lbs to start is pretty high up there, and end with a 9lbs after how many minutes?

That's very high. Normally, you want end with a 3lbs max to promote minimal tissue stresses, while the start is around 5lbs to 6lbs, then fluctuate between 9lbs to 11lbs in between the sets to excite the tissues to yield. But when you force the tissues to remain at the upper traction load for too longer, the tissues will flag "Crap, we're taking on heavy damages" and the body will turtle or retract on itself to prevent further damages. You get a shrunken penis overall.

 

[JustGrow]

Just a couple of questions:

1. Did you measure/verify the actual tension exerted by the extender? You can do that either with a kitchen scale or a fishing scale.

Yes I measured it with the MOS scale, and it was very close

1. 11 lbs to start is pretty high up there, and end with a 9lbs after how many minutes?

That's very high. Normally, you want end with a 3lbs max to promote minimal tissue stresses, while the start is around 5lbs to 6lbs, then fluctuate between 9lbs to 11lbs in between the sets to excite the tissues to yield. But when you force the tissues to remain at the upper traction load for too longer, the tissues will flag "Crap, we're taking on heavy damages" and the body will turtle or retract on itself to prevent further damages. You get a shrunken penis overall.

@oldandlively

Thank you for the amazing feedback!

I will back off tremendously then

Since I will be using the LM first that ends with high tension

Should I then pyramid tension with the extender
3 6 9 11 9 6 3

Or just tension down from LM
11 9 6 3 and stay at 3lbs for the remainder

So something like
11 lbs at 10 min
9 lbs at 10 min
6 lbs at 20 min
3 lbs at 20 min or more

Thank you

 

[oldandlively]

Yes I measured it with the MOS scale, and it was very close

Perfect. Make sure to record your traction tension as you go. Why? You'll find hidden gems in the data very soon.

@oldandlively

Thank you for the amazing feedback!

I will back off tremendously then

Since I will be using the LM first that ends with high tension

This is the most optimal way. Most of us tend to jump straight to the extender or all day system first without first loosening or softening the tissues. Big mistake. If anyone has the LM, use the LM even if it's only 5 minutes. That will reduce the total amount of time you have to be in the extender or all day system, without having to push on the very high end weight load.

Should I then pyramid tension with the extender
3 6 9 11 9 6 3

Or just tension down from LM
11 9 6 3 and stay at 3lbs for the remainder

So something like
11 lbs at 10 min
9 lbs at 10 min
6 lbs at 20 min
3 lbs at 20 min or more

Thank you

Better yet, it's all about what exercises you've done with the LM. For example, if you spend 10 minutes on the LM, doing bundled BTC, moderate traction (around 5lbs of pulling force, or even up to 10lbs of pulling force within that 10 minutes), you can reduce the extender's total traction force by generating a dynamic tension range like so:

10 minutes: 6lbs
5 minutes: 10lbs
5 minutes: 7lbs
5 minutes: 11lbs
10 minutes: 8lbs
10 minutes to 2 hours: 4lbs
2+ hours: 2.5lbs to 3lbs

What you're doing here is to trick the body that there's temporary stressors, and reprogram the lower traction load at a slightly higher stressor load around 2.5lbs to 3lbs. The body will think, "Oh, that boy must be having some major fun, and he's getting pretty horny for some reason. Time to work harder to get his penis preloaded for impregnation and spread his seeds around."

The lower time limit at a higher traction loads reduce chances of either blisters, petechiae (blood bumps), or combo of over pressuring on the blood vessels.

Something to think about, observe, and record. You can play around with the time limits too, but don't let the 5 minutes interval for higher weight goes past 10 minutes.

 

[DLD]

Thank you for the feedback!

You're welcome my brother God bless!

 

[JustGrow]

Perfect. Make sure to record your traction tension as you go. Why? You'll find hidden gems in the data very soon.



This is the most optimal way. Most of us tend to jump straight to the extender or all day system first without first loosening or softening the tissues. Big mistake. If anyone has the LM, use the LM even if it's only 5 minutes. That will reduce the total amount of time you have to be in the extender or all day system, without having to push on the very high end weight load.



Better yet, it's all about what exercises you've done with the LM. For example, if you spend 10 minutes on the LM, doing bundled BTC, moderate traction (around 5lbs of pulling force, or even up to 10lbs of pulling force within that 10 minutes), you can reduce the extender's total traction force by generating a dynamic tension range like so:

10 minutes: 6lbs
5 minutes: 10lbs
5 minutes: 7lbs
5 minutes: 11lbs
10 minutes: 8lbs
10 minutes to 2 hours: 4lbs
2+ hours: 2.5lbs to 3lbs

What you're doing here is to trick the body that there's temporary stressors, and reprogram the lower traction load at a slightly higher stressor load around 2.5lbs to 3lbs. The body will think, "Oh, that boy must be having some major fun, and he's getting pretty horny for some reason. Time to work harder to get his penis preloaded for impregnation and spread his seeds around."

The lower time limit at a higher traction loads reduce chances of either blisters, petechiae (blood bumps), or combo of over pressuring on the blood vessels.

Something to think about, observe, and record. You can play around with the time limits too, but don't let the 5 minutes interval for higher weight goes past 10 minutes.

Going to try until I find the sweet spot

Thank you

 

[JustGrow]

You're welcome my brother God bless!

Thank you brother!

God bless you too!

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5cm
New-extndr ???cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@ 9lbs

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 23 hrs 50 min???
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 29 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 8 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 8 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
Got a hard on so hard to measure BPFLS
After workout 18cm

Start Ext Rod 9cm @9lbs
End Ext Rod 9.5cm @9lbs
Not sure the length of the this
Rods will help for this, as I am measuring more for tension and I am taking pre and post measurements which will help track

5min ext straight @9lbs
5min ext straight @7lbs
5min ext straight @6lbs
5min ext straight @11lbs
5min ext straight @4lbs
5min ext straight @10lbs
15min ext straight @4lbs

45min total

After extender BPFLS
18.3cm

The 9 to 11 lbs still seems like a lot even though it feels ok for short periods
I still may drop it down a bit more to about 7 lbs or only one 9lbs for 5 minutes on the tension stack

 

[DLD]

Thank you brother!

God bless you too!

Thank you so much.I love when my brothers bless me

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5cm
New-extndr ???cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@ 9lbs

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 24 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 30 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 18.2cm

20 min ext straight @5 lbs
5min ext straight @9lbs
15 min ext straight @6 lbs
20 min ext straight @6 lbs

60 min total

After extender BPFLS
18.4cm

 

[oldandlively]

20 min ext straight @5 lbs
5min ext straight @9lbs
15 min ext straight @6 lbs
20 min ext straight @6 lbs

60 min total

After extender BPFLS
18.4cm

There's an excited tissue response to your BPFLS from the current intensity. My advice is:

10 min ext straight @5 lbs
10 min ext straight @9lbs
30 min ext straight @6 lbs
10 min ext straight @5 lbs

60 min total

Something to experiment for the next few days.

 

[DLD]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5cm
New-extndr ???cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@ 9lbs

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 24 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 30 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 18.2cm

20 min ext straight @5 lbs
5min ext straight @9lbs
15 min ext straight @6 lbs
20 min ext straight @6 lbs

60 min total

After extender BPFLS
18.4cm

Very nice work, my brother.I can't believe how consistent you are you deserve gains. Also old and lively gave you some great advice also.

 

[JustGrow]

There's an excited tissue response to your BPFLS from the current intensity. My advice is:

10 min ext straight @5 lbs
10 min ext straight @9lbs
30 min ext straight @6 lbs
10 min ext straight @5 lbs

60 min total

Something to experiment for the next few days.

@Old and lively
how did you pick up on the tension you mention as excited tissue response

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
on 8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 25 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 31 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 10 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
Need to back off a bit on the rolls as I began to feel some turtling towards end of workout
After workout 18.2cm felt turtling and tightness on the stretch
Might back out to 7 or 8 min on the bundles and rolls

10 min ext straight @5 lbs
Added heat with hesting pad
15 min ext straight @9lbs
25 min ext straight @6 lbs
10 min ext straight @4 lbs

60 min total

After extender BPFLS
18.2cm

 

[oldandlively]

@Old and lively
how did you pick up on the tension you mention as excited tissue response

Relaxation of tissue after the routines.

Dates are a bit off, but based on sessions:
#6: 15.5 cm of the old days
#2 in 2025: 17.3cm without post data, but comparing with 17.9cm on 8/25/2025.

..then the recent sessions:
pre of 17.3cm, to post of 18.3cm
pre of 17.3cm, to post of 18.1cm, with stress load causing reduction
pre of 17.3cm, with post 18.2cm, standard with no post measurement
pre of 17.3cm, with post of 18.4cm, with excited induction
preof 17.3cm, with post abck to 18.2cm, with new stress load causing reduction

Excited tissues growth can be seen from the previous year to the the current months. The tissues are accepting and adopting (not adapting) new growth. This is excited state while the tissues are under stress load. Longer elongation stress load will excite the growth faster.

This is why personal log data is so valuable, whether it is publicly recorded or privately recorded. Data is essential.

 

[JustGrow]

Relaxation of tissue after the routines.

Dates are a bit off, but based on sessions:
#6: 15.5 cm of the old days
#2 in 2025: 17.3cm without post data, but comparing with 17.9cm on 8/25/2025.

..then the recent sessions:
pre of 17.3cm, to post of 18.3cm
pre of 17.3cm, to post of 18.1cm, with stress load causing reduction
pre of 17.3cm, with post 18.2cm, standard with no post measurement
pre of 17.3cm, with post of 18.4cm, with excited induction
preof 17.3cm, with post abck to 18.2cm, with new stress load causing reduction

Excited tissues growth can be seen from the previous year to the the current months. The tissues are accepting and adopting (not adapting) new growth. This is excited state while the tissues are under stress load. Longer elongation stress load will excite the growth faster.

This is why personal log data is so valuable, whether it is publicly recorded or privately recorded. Data is essential.

Just to clarify
I only have the 17.3cm as my starting point on that date 8/10/2025, so what I started at

I am currently measuring
pre at 18cm
and post is varying from 18.2 and 18.4

I take pre before LM work then take a post LM mesurement

Then I take a measurement after about 1 hour of extender use

Hope that clarifies a bit

 

[oldandlively]

Just to clarify
I only have the 17.3cm as my starting point on that date 8/10/2025, so what I started at

I am currently measuring
pre at 18cm
and post is varying from 18.2 and 18.4

I take pre before LM work then take a post LM mesurement

Then I take a measurement after about 1 hour of extender use

Hope that clarifies a bit

From 8/10/2025 to current day, with 0.7cm gain, that's still considered as excitable state. Post going from previous 17.3cm to 18.4 (max), that's still 1.1cm uncemented gain less than 2 months. That's excitable state. Your tissues are allowing the adoption of stress loads for gains.

 

[DLD]

From 8/10/2025 to current day, with 0.7cm gain, that's still considered as excitable state. Post going from previous 17.3cm to 18.4 (max), that's still 1.1cm uncemented gain less than 2 months. That's excitable state. Your tissues are allowing the adoption of stress loads for gains.

Very smart reply

 

[JustGrow]

From 8/10/2025 to current day, with 0.7cm gain, that's still considered as excitable state. Post going from previous 17.3cm to 18.4 (max), that's still 1.1cm uncemented gain less than 2 months. That's excitable state. Your tissues are allowing the adoption of stress loads for gains.

@oldandlively
How do I turn the excited tissues into cemented gains

Exciting!!! I'm even suprised on the gains so quickly

Part of my excitement is also that the routine is pretty straight forward
LM bundles then LM DLD rolls
Then extender

SRT at its easiest!

 

[JustGrow]

A bit shorter workout today

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
on 8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 26 hrs 20 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 32 of ?

BPFLS 18cm PreWorkout

10 min Jelqs w/ slight stretch pull downwards at the end

10 min ext straight @10 lbs
25 min ext straight @6 lbs

35 min total, just pressed on time so had to cut short

After extender BPFLS
18.2cm

 

[oldandlively]

@oldandlively
How do I turn the excited tissues into cemented gains

Exciting!!! I'm even suprised on the gains so quickly

Part of my excitement is also that the routine is pretty straight forward
LM bundles then LM DLD rolls
Then extender

SRT at its easiest!

Cementing is part of the PE routine over a period of time. It takes 3 months to excite the tissues, 3 months to keep the tissues going for growth, and the overlapping 3 months as you go from 4 to 9 months cement the gains along the way. That's why we keep telling the brother to push past 0.5cm of their objective length to cement their planned length. That extra work for that 0.5cm is an overlapping period of time when the growth of the tissues become cemented. That is the excited level of growth that translated to gains.

If you truly want to excite it further, think about providing your body constant loads of vitamins, minerals, bioavailable resources of collagen, citrulline, and testosterone to boost your growth further. Keep your lifestyle clean and healthy. If you want to push your cells to rev at maximum state, research into red light therapy with no-so-cheap devices. We can offer insights to your journey.

Welcome to the science side of PE.

 

[JustGrow]

Cementing is part of the PE routine over a period of time. It takes 3 months to excite the tissues, 3 months to keep the tissues going for growth, and the overlapping 3 months as you go from 4 to 9 months cement the gains along the way. That's why we keep telling the brother to push past 0.5cm of their objective length to cement their planned length. That extra work for that 0.5cm is an overlapping period of time when the growth of the tissues become cemented. That is the excited level of growth that translated to gains.

If you truly want to excite it further, think about providing your body constant loads of vitamins, minerals, bioavailable resources of collagen, citrulline, and testosterone to boost your growth further. Keep your lifestyle clean and healthy. If you want to push your cells to rev at maximum state, research into red light therapy with no-so-cheap devices. We can offer insights to your journey.

Welcome to the science side of PE.

Are you saying the goal is to get to the excited state within 3 months which should at minimum be an expansion of 0.5cm, then the goal is to continue the work for 4th to 9th month, so that the gains cement

 

[oldandlively]

Are you saying the goal is to get to the excited state within 3 months which should at minimum be an expansion of 0.5cm, then the goal is to continue the work for 4th to 9th month, so that the gains cement

No. The goal is to get the tissues to an excite state, keep it going, and if you think you reach your objective goal length or girth, keep going for another 3 months.

 

[JustGrow]

No. The goal is to get the tissues to an excite state, keep it going, and if you think you reach your objective goal length or girth, keep going for another 3 months.

Can you cause the excited state by pumping and then strerching?

I know there are different recommendations but just wondering

 

[oldandlively]

Can you cause the excited state by pumping and then strerching?

Yes. The excited state is another way of saying it's going into a growing state.

I know there are different recommendations but just wondering

Always ask questions.

 

[DLD]

Can you cause the excited state by pumping and then strerching?

I know there are different recommendations but just wondering

Indeed you can my brother. Thank you for asking the question.I never feel fearful of asking us anything that's what we're here to do

 

[JustGrow]

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
on 8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 27 hrs 00 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 33 of ?

Room Temp 76
Noticed a difference with room not as cold
***PreWorkout BPFLS 18cm
LM 11 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 4 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
***PostWorkout BPFLS 18.4cm

15 min ext straight @5 lbs
5 min ext straight @8 lbs
20 min ext straight @4 lbs

After extender BPFLS
***18.2 cm

 

[oldandlively]

Notice that you're keeping the tissues warm, you get a nice bonus on the BPFLS. If you use a bit of warm around 30 minutes before you go off the extender, you'll get the same result, or even more. Warmth relaxes the tissues, offering a bit of a flaccid stretch gain at the end. Hint, hint.

 

[DLD]

He is so important to doing p.E exercises. I was keeping my junk warm all day that way.If I wanted the workout, I was already ready. And before the MOSRED I ised a space heater to keep myself warm during the workout. It was very cumbersome, and that's why i'm so happy we have the MOSRED.

 

[JustGrow]

Starting 8/10/2025
BPFLS 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 27 hrs 45 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 34 of ?

Room Temp 75
***PreWorkout BPFLS 18cm
LM 10 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
***PostWorkout BPFLS 18.5cm

With Heat Pad
5 min ext straight @9 lbs
10 min ext straight @5 lbs

No Heat
5 min ext straight @10 lbs

Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs

Ice bottom shaft
2 min ext straight @ 9lbs

Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs

Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs

Room Temp
25 min ext straight @4 lbs

After extender BPFLS
***18.4 cm

 

[JustGrow]

@oldandlively and @DLD

I experimented a bit today
But I am convinced now that heat is must throughout part of the workout, but found something interesting today that I will continue to explore

I warm up normally with a shower or small hot towel or somekind of heating pad
before active work with LM

Today though based on the feedback I added heat again after active work during the extender portion

***After heat I waited about 5 min at room temp and cold shocked the tissues for about
5 min to keep them in the extended state and then the remainder of the extender work left it at room temp

My post active measurement was at
18.5 cm
And post Extender was
18.4 cm

This is the theory and you gurus probably already know this

But the heat will denature the cells and stress of the stretch will modify the cell tissue

Then by adding cold I am accelarating the cementing process and the tissues remain in their new form
While mitosis process is being done due to the stress or cell clean up is being done on the old penile cells and being replaced this is producing the new growth state, ie thicker and longer member

Anyway thats probably as theoretic as I can get compared to you all

This is something I think needs to be stressed
And probably already is with the SRT
But the emphasis of adding heat and then cold shock needs to be brought up more

This cannot be extreme though as some people may try to add too much heat and too much cold

I simply added heat during extender wear for about 15 min with a decent heating pad and the 5 min cold shock I used was a small plastic sandwhich bag with ice

I am adding it to remind me as well

 

[DLD]

That's very interesting, because I have never done a cold down, only warm Downs and warm-ups. So I'd be interested in data relating to the cold. I was always scared that I would get shriveled up, but it seems like you're saying.That's not the case.So i'm really, really, really looking forward to trying this

 

[oldandlively]

Just like any biological activity and reactivity, warmth plays a critical role in promoting energy production and resource exchange. Think about how you react on cold days vs warm days. Better yet, if you actually cook, think about using cool water vs warm water vs hot water to prepare ingredients. Same with your living cells. A specific temperature zone either hinders, helps, or harms your cells.

So, rathern than just experiment on warm temp, try to experiment with the lower and upper limit of the temperature. Your body core is around 37C (98.7F). Play with the temp by creating a heating zone anywhere between 37C (98.7F) to 41C (105.8F), or even slightly higher towards 43.3C (110F). Make sure not to scold your penile tissues. Just slowly test your comfortable temperature range.

Observe, observe, and more observe. You'll be surprised the new findings you get to witness and the changes as the warmth stimulate blood flow because of the temperature changes. You can even do a thermal shock to force the body to send specific stimulating hormones by switching one of the warm sessions with a cool or cold session down to 10C (50F). The sudden thermal shock sends frenzy responses to the tissues and activate the higher responses of testosterone and nitric oxide, combined with adrenaline and activation of sudden human growth hormone for sudden required repair when the body needs it. Hint, hint. Something to think about using sciences in your favor, brother.

 

[JustGrow]

That's very interesting, because I have never done a cold down, only warm Downs and warm-ups. So I'd be interested in data relating to the cold. I was always scared that I would get shriveled up, but it seems like you're saying.That's not the case.So i'm really, really, really looking forward to trying this

I think as long as it is not prolonged and I did it while in the extender

I'll have to experiment at which point it might begin to be too much cold

In a sense it was like accelerated temporary cementing

I had used the heating pad so was pretty warmed up
Then put a 5 min break before I added ice

Hope it works

 

[JustGrow]

Starting 8/10/2025
BPFLS 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 28 hrs 45 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 35 of ?

Room Temp 75
***PreWorkout BPFLS 18cm
LM 13 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 8 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
***PostWorkout BPFLS 18.3cm

With Heat Pad
10 min ext straight @7 lbs
5 min ext straight @9 lbs

No Heat
5 min ext straight @7 lbs

Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
2 min ext straight @ 7lbs

Room Temp
20 min ext straight @5 lbs

Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 5lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 5lbs

Room Temp
10 min ext straight @5 lbs

After extender BPFLS
***18.6 cm

 

[DLD]

Starting 8/10/2025
BPFLS 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 28 hrs 45 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 35 of ?

Room Temp 75
***PreWorkout BPFLS 18cm
LM 13 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 8 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
***PostWorkout BPFLS 18.3cm

With Heat Pad
10 min ext straight @7 lbs
5 min ext straight @9 lbs

No Heat
5 min ext straight @7 lbs

Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 9lbs
Ice top shaft
2 min ext straight @ 7lbs

Room Temp
20 min ext straight @5 lbs

Ice top shaft
1 min ext straight @ 5lbs
Ice bottom shaft
1 min ext straight @ 5lbs

Room Temp
10 min ext straight @5 lbs

After extender BPFLS
***18.6 cm

Very innovative routine. I can see you're taking it very seriously. And I think this is a wonderful way forward. God bless you and give you the strength and the long suffering to get to where you wanna be.

 

[oldandlively]

After extender BPFLS
***18.6 cm

If thermal shock keeps allowing you to get longer BPFLS result, you just found a golden ticket for a pre-phase excited growth. It's a pre-phase because of the 0.1cm preliminary gain. If you keep getting a 0.1cm gain every week to every other week, that's an excited growth phase that leads you to a secondary adolescent growth phenomenon. This will be a celebration.