What gives more gains minutes for minute vs jelqing or pumping?

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Microtear said:

I want to know, not routines, but straight up jelqing say hands or device just normally, OR pumping 7-15hg, minute per minute what gains are better/bigger in girth?

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Long answer short, straight up pumping or jelqing CAN increase girth. Pumping or jelqing by itself will not yield the same gains compared to the combination of the two exercises, or combination of exercises in a routine. You don't want to know about the routines, but exercise-specific within a routine and analyze for the gains. Jelqing alone to induce positive internal pressure cannot beat higher negative pressure to pull in more blood. Pumping using negative pressure alone cannot compensate for positive pressure internal expansion. Neither pumping or jelqing, or combination of both, can gain as much as adding part of the lengthening exercise on top of the two. It must be a combination of exercises.

The question should be, "How much more effective is one exercise over another?" Pumping vs jelqing, both are the same. Gain is at the same rate, ONLY and ONY if the exercise is done properly.

Microtear said:

Which for length?

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Just like length exercises can promote some "girth" gains. Girth exercises can promote some "length" gain. For example, if you're doing jelqing, and adding pulling/tugging elements into the jelq, you're essentially create a traction force to help with length gain while doing girth.

Same with the pumping. Pumping using a proper cylinder, roughly around 0.5in larger in circumference, creates elongation pull as the penile shaft expands and compressed against the wall. That tugging/pulling effect from the negative vacuum does promote length exercise and gains. How much length gain depending on how much the pulling force is. For example, if your pulling force in the cylinder is around 2in, you're creating around 5lbs of pulling force. This is why Bathmate has so much marking based on a -6.5 to -8inHg of vacuum. MityVac comes standard with the marking to provide proper bonepressed pull, mimicking the tug/traction force effect. Once the penis can't be pulled in the cylinder any more, if you're able to squeeze out another 0.5in of pull, you're doubling the traction force pull by around 11lbs. Why? Once your tissues can't be pulled any more, and you're forcing it to extend further by 0.5in, that's some heavy pulling there. Every 0.25in there after, you're adding around 1.5x to 1.7x the traction load. At this point, you're probably going past -25inhg.

Microtear said:

Which gains are more long term?

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Long term gains? There are only two phases: the temporary gains after the exercises, or "possible gain effect", or permanent gains. If you're comparing if pumping or jelqing provides better permanent gains, then it's equal.

Microtear said:

Jelqing vs stretching also what's the difference in length gains?

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Jelqing is a combination of promoting blood flow into the penis, while exerting less pulling/traction force. Stretching is fully pulling/tugging. However, stretching can contain a compression jelqing element, by holding the blood volume using the OK grip at the base of the penis, and one hand holding at the base of the glans. As you aggressively pull, you're forcing blood into into the blood chamber along the tunica, creating a moderate compression load to expand the chambers, while your other hand is creating a maximized pulling/traction load to stretch your tissues and ligaments.

Is a misnomer to point out jelqing is not stretching, and stretching is not jelqing. They're similar in many ways, unless you only grab the base of your glans to pull. When you do that, you're still increasing a portion of the penis, which is the glans. I do that as well, to make my glans turned into a mushroom. Wife loves it.

Microtear said:

Minute per minute and long term if I jelq 30 minutes a day for 6-8 months then switched to intense stretches only 30 minutes a day for six months, what kind of difference in length gains will there be? What about the estimated difference in any girth?

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The tissues adopt dynamically from one point of your journey to another. If you use average weighed comparision, you're completely tossing the data out the door because you can't compare the starting point to the middle point, and the middle point to the point somewhere a year later. Remember, your body adapts to various methods you're using. To prevent the body from adapting and reducing your growth rate, you have to use different approaches to only enable the body to adopt to the changes, and not adapt.

But for simplicity sake, let's say a newbie does the jelqing 30 minutes a day for the first 8 months, then switch fully to 30 minutes of stretching per day for the next 8 months, as I said before, jelqing and stretching is similar in nature, depending on how it's used. Using a variable traction force from light, to moderate, to heavy, back to moderate, and back to light for both jelqing and stretching, the average data points collected from length gains is around 0.025in per month using hand strength only. This is the most optimistic gain using hands only. If you're using a device or assistance from tools, such as a chair, a broomstick, an edge of something, a Length Master or fulcrum device, combined with your own arm strength and body weight, the average gain is around 0.1in per month.

Remember, this is just average data points. Each person is different because of their physiological conditions, dietary balance, recovery factor, mental and emotion well-being, and many other combination of environmental exposures, it's practically impossible to put them all into an equation and claim it's the only predictive model you can use to calculate for gains. No one in their freaking right mind will do that. This is why this community works like mad to provide baseline data collection so we can compare unique cases, and guide the brothers with proper routines for their expectation of gains.

This was a wildly accurate, cohesive, well thought out response.

It should honestly be a sticky or a FAQ or something of that nature because I’ve been on and off this site reading for years; and learned as much just now as many many browsing sessions combined.

Thank you.

Dave4139 said:

This was a wildly accurate, cohesive, well thought out response.

It should honestly be a sticky or a FAQ or something of that nature because I’ve been on and off this site reading for years; and learned as much just now as many many browsing sessions combined.

Thank you.

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Always ask questions, and the answers will come about.

oldandlively said:

Always ask questions, and the answers will come about.

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Too many struggle with the fear of asking questions. Do not worry about what we will think. Simply just ask your question and you will get the answer you desire

oldandlively said:

Always ask questions, and the answers will come about.

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oldandlively said:

Let's break down this multiple dimensional inquiry. It's a loaded inquiry, but we'll do our best to answer your question segments.



Long answer short, straight up pumping or jelqing CAN increase girth. Pumping or jelqing by itself will not yield the same gains compared to the combination of the two exercises, or combination of exercises in a routine. You don't want to know about the routines, but exercise-specific within a routine and analyze for the gains. Jelqing alone to induce positive internal pressure cannot beat higher negative pressure to pull in more blood. Pumping using negative pressure alone cannot compensate for positive pressure internal expansion. Neither pumping or jelqing, or combination of both, can gain as much as adding part of the lengthening exercise on top of the two. It must be a combination of exercises.

The question should be, "How much more effective is one exercise over another?" Pumping vs jelqing, both are the same. Gain is at the same rate, ONLY and ONY if the exercise is done properly.



Just like length exercises can promote some "girth" gains. Girth exercises can promote some "length" gain. For example, if you're doing jelqing, and adding pulling/tugging elements into the jelq, you're essentially create a traction force to help with length gain while doing girth.

Same with the pumping. Pumping using a proper cylinder, roughly around 0.5in larger in circumference, creates elongation pull as the penile shaft expands and compressed against the wall. That tugging/pulling effect from the negative vacuum does promote length exercise and gains. How much length gain depending on how much the pulling force is. For example, if your pulling force in the cylinder is around 2in, you're creating around 5lbs of pulling force. This is why Bathmate has so much marking based on a -6.5 to -8inHg of vacuum. MityVac comes standard with the marking to provide proper bonepressed pull, mimicking the tug/traction force effect. Once the penis can't be pulled in the cylinder any more, if you're able to squeeze out another 0.5in of pull, you're doubling the traction force pull by around 11lbs. Why? Once your tissues can't be pulled any more, and you're forcing it to extend further by 0.5in, that's some heavy pulling there. Every 0.25in there after, you're adding around 1.5x to 1.7x the traction load. At this point, you're probably going past -25inhg.



Long term gains? There are only two phases: the temporary gains after the exercises, or "possible gain effect", or permanent gains. If you're comparing if pumping or jelqing provides better permanent gains, then it's equal.



Jelqing is a combination of promoting blood flow into the penis, while exerting less pulling/traction force. Stretching is fully pulling/tugging. However, stretching can contain a compression jelqing element, by holding the blood volume using the OK grip at the base of the penis, and one hand holding at the base of the glans. As you aggressively pull, you're forcing blood into into the blood chamber along the tunica, creating a moderate compression load to expand the chambers, while your other hand is creating a maximized pulling/traction load to stretch your tissues and ligaments.

Is a misnomer to point out jelqing is not stretching, and stretching is not jelqing. They're similar in many ways, unless you only grab the base of your glans to pull. When you do that, you're still increasing a portion of the penis, which is the glans. I do that as well, to make my glans turned into a mushroom. Wife loves it.



The tissues adopt dynamically from one point of your journey to another. If you use average weighed comparision, you're completely tossing the data out the door because you can't compare the starting point to the middle point, and the middle point to the point somewhere a year later. Remember, your body adapts to various methods you're using. To prevent the body from adapting and reducing your growth rate, you have to use different approaches to only enable the body to adopt to the changes, and not adapt.

But for simplicity sake, let's say a newbie does the jelqing 30 minutes a day for the first 8 months, then switch fully to 30 minutes of stretching per day for the next 8 months, as I said before, jelqing and stretching is similar in nature, depending on how it's used. Using a variable traction force from light, to moderate, to heavy, back to moderate, and back to light for both jelqing and stretching, the average data points collected from length gains is around 0.025in per month using hand strength only. This is the most optimistic gain using hands only. If you're using a device or assistance from tools, such as a chair, a broomstick, an edge of something, a Length Master or fulcrum device, combined with your own arm strength and body weight, the average gain is around 0.1in per month.

Remember, this is just average data points. Each person is different because of their physiological conditions, dietary balance, recovery factor, mental and emotion well-being, and many other combination of environmental exposures, it's practically impossible to put them all into an equation and claim it's the only predictive model you can use to calculate for gains. No one in their freaking right mind will do that. This is why this community works like mad to provide baseline data collection so we can compare unique cases, and guide the brothers with proper routines for their expectation of gains.

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Would I gain length faster doing stretches around a pipe/fulcrum or without one but a device like length master?

Microtear said:

Would I gain length faster doing stretches around a pipe/fulcrum or without one but a device like length master?

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It all boils down to the amount of traction load can be used along with the pipe/fulcrum-base devices. I'll break it down.

The Length Master's integrated tool, PowerAssist, is a dedicated fulcrum-base tool. That tool uses static hole-and-handle designs, refined over the years, to ensure sufficient length for placements on your legs and behind your legs, as well as pulling capability. Your penis can go over one part of the loop's ridge, the handle, or wrap around the entire unit to perform a fulcrum pull. BUT, everything boils down to how much strength you have in your hands in holding the penis in place. This affects the traction load or force applied to the penile shaft or to the ligaments and base muscles.

This is where the second adapter is used on the Length Master comes into play. The two plates are for your hands to hold things in place. Unlike your hands, which have a lot of soft tissues, the plates may not have enough cushioning material. You have to use flexible wraps, TheraBand-like friction material, and even an ACE bandage to keep things in place. Human biological designs are freaking awesome! By strapping the penis between the plates, you are now free to use both arm strength to twist, turn, pull, and bend your penis to your heart's content. You're not limited to the amount of traction force you can exert, but it's limited on how much friction the plates can generate so you can push as hard as you can. The plates also acts as a powered up "DLD Bender". Instead of using your own grip strength to bend your penis with semi erected, you can go one step further ad twist your penis in a bundled form, then bend at an angle according to your need to correct the Peyronie's issue while breaking down the tissues at the same time.

Most brothers can't get the Length Master to work properly in the first month or so because of the learning curve, but once you get used to the Length Master's designs, wrapping, and mounting, it's night and day for PE in terms of length exercises and Peyronie's aggressive correction. There are quite a few clones out there, but the clones disappeared from the market as quickly as they're being displayed for sales, since the cloners don't know how to support their products like this community. Many other communities don't even have a clue either.

But for budget-friendly approaches, we also use PVC pipes, broomsticks, pulleys, and even edged tools in the past, yes, those worked similarly to what was described above. Again, you have to weigh in on the amount of grip strength and constant arm strength you have to exert. If you have the grip and arm strength to maintain that constant exertion for 30 to 50 minutes, with the perfect capacity to bundle the exercises together, more glory to you. Do share the techniques with us. We've been researching it for the past 2 decades and have yet to come up with effective viable solutions.

oldandlively said:

It all boils down to the amount of traction load can be used along with the pipe/fulcrum-base devices. I'll break it down.

The Length Master's integrated tool, PowerAssist, is a dedicated fulcrum-base tool. That tool uses static hole-and-handle designs, refined over the years, to ensure sufficient length for placements on your legs and behind your legs, as well as pulling capability. Your penis can go over one part of the loop's ridge, the handle, or wrap around the entire unit to perform a fulcrum pull. BUT, everything boils down to how much strength you have in your hands in holding the penis in place. This affects the traction load or force applied to the penile shaft or to the ligaments and base muscles.

This is where the second adapter is used on the Length Master comes into play. The two plates are for your hands to hold things in place. Unlike your hands, which have a lot of soft tissues, the plates may not have enough cushioning material. You have to use flexible wraps, TheraBand-like friction material, and even an ACE bandage to keep things in place. Human biological designs are freaking awesome! By strapping the penis between the plates, you are now free to use both arm strength to twist, turn, pull, and bend your penis to your heart's content. You're not limited to the amount of traction force you can exert, but it's limited on how much friction the plates can generate so you can push as hard as you can. The plates also acts as a powered up "DLD Bender". Instead of using your own grip strength to bend your penis with semi erected, you can go one step further ad twist your penis in a bundled form, then bend at an angle according to your need to correct the Peyronie's issue while breaking down the tissues at the same time.

Most brothers can't get the Length Master to work properly in the first month or so because of the learning curve, but once you get used to the Length Master's designs, wrapping, and mounting, it's night and day for PE in terms of length exercises and Peyronie's aggressive correction. There are quite a few clones out there, but the clones disappeared from the market as quickly as they're being displayed for sales, since the cloners don't know how to support their products like this community. Many other communities don't even have a clue either.

But for budget-friendly approaches, we also use PVC pipes, broomsticks, pulleys, and even edged tools in the past, yes, those worked similarly to what was described above. Again, you have to weigh in on the amount of grip strength and constant arm strength you have to exert. If you have the grip and arm strength to maintain that constant exertion for 30 to 50 minutes, with the perfect capacity to bundle the exercises together, more glory to you. Do share the techniques with us. We've been researching it for the past 2 decades and have yet to come up with effective viable solutions.

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Thank you for answering. Right now I bought a piece of half inch 2 foot PVC pipe for the pipe stretches, but my intent on it is to make a DIY manual stretcher. Ive been looking into stuff kike what about PVC clamps and all those the bolts are right on top of the penis or extremely close none I've seen give a few inches of space. Second idea put a coupling like the T ones in the center of the PVC pipe make sure it's exactly the right size for my penis, OR drill a hole right there center of PVC pipe, and make it comfortable with maybe penis sleeves or other silicone or rubber and just two handed stretch like this

Microtear said:

Thank you for answering. Right now I bought a piece of half inch 2 foot PVC pipe for the pipe stretches, but my intent on it is to make a DIY manual stretcher. Ive been looking into stuff kike what about PVC clamps and all those the bolts are right on top of the penis or extremely close none I've seen give a few inches of space. Second idea put a coupling like the T ones in the center of the PVC pipe make sure it's exactly the right size for my penis, OR drill a hole right there center of PVC pipe, and make it comfortable with maybe penis sleeves or other silicone or rubber and just two handed stretch like this

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It's 3/4 inch* PVC pipe sorry not half. I'm trying to make something that can do the same thing pulling w both hands for now until I can save up for length master 3. If it fails I just stick to the pipe stretches for part of my stretching routine until then

Microtear said:

Thank you for answering. Right now I bought a piece of half inch 2 foot PVC pipe for the pipe stretches, but my intent on it is to make a DIY manual stretcher. Ive been looking into stuff kike what about PVC clamps and all those the bolts are right on top of the penis or extremely close none I've seen give a few inches of space. Second idea put a coupling like the T ones in the center of the PVC pipe make sure it's exactly the right size for my penis, OR drill a hole right there center of PVC pipe, and make it comfortable with maybe penis sleeves or other silicone or rubber and just two handed stretch like this

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The brothers have tried in the past using the same method. However, the PVC edges can cause painful edging or crimping. It didn't matter how much padding we did in the past to prevent ourselves from getting the edge bites, it happened anyway. We tried flattening the PVC as well to create larger surface areas, but that compromised the strength of the pipe, causing twisting and looseness. That's the reason why the Length Master came out with the v3, from wooden material to polymer material, addressing the flaws MoS discovered along the way.

Ah, the fun of experimentation.

Why not just get the length master? I know that it's a little bit expensive.But in the long run, you're going to love it