Um... christian republican hypocritical?

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Republicans are always talking about how they want as small a government as possible.

Fine, whatever.

Now, many christians are Republican. Republicans are supposedly 'against' abortion, obviously to gain support from the church. Yet, with a republican congress, president, and supreme Court, abortion is still legal. You see, if they illegalize abortion, republicans have nothing to hide behind anymore.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. If republicans want as little government as possible, and many christians are republicans, then why are christians always trying to force morals down everyones throat?

I'm tired of hearing 'christians' say things like 'God didn't intend it to be this way, so there should be a law against it.' Wtf... um, separation of church and state?

Wanna read something funny? Southern Baptist Private college in my area's rules: (now remember, this is college, not high school)

http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378
http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=1336

I think in reality, republicans and christians want to pick and choose their moral and government roles.

On one hand, save the moral fabric of emirika! Boobies are bad! Penises are scary! On the other hand, let all the economic scandals and wrong-doings go on while many people struggle day to day.

It's not all Republicans, but its this christian breed that make me the most angry. I can't stand a fricken hypocrite.
 
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Republicans are always talking about how they want as small a government as possible.

Fine, whatever.

Now, many christians are Republican. Republicans are supposedly 'against' abortion, obviously to gain support from the church. Yet, with a republican congress, president, and supreme Court, abortion is still legal. You see, if they illegalize abortion, republicans have nothing to hide behind anymore.

You don't make sense...Nothing to hide behind, that does that mean? If make abortion illegal, how would that make "republicans" have nothing to hide behind. Certainly there are other subjects beside abortion to debate. The probability of Abortion ever being made illegal is doubtful.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. If republicans want as little government as possible, and many christians are republicans, then why are christians always trying to force morals down everyones throat?

I'm tired of hearing 'christians' say things like 'God didn't intend it to be this way, so there should be a law against it.' Wtf... um, separation of church and state?

And, what does that have to do with separation of Church and State????

Wanna read something funny? Southern Baptist Private college in my area's rules: (now remember, this is college, not high school)

http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378
http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=1336

So, it is a private school, they can do what they want. What is so funny? I thought this is still a free nation, to do and say what they want.
I think in reality, republicans and christians want to pick and choose their moral and government roles.

On one hand, save the moral fabric of emirika! Boobies are bad! Penises are scary! On the other hand, let all the economic scandals and wrong-doings go on while many people struggle day to day.

It's not all Republicans, but its this christian breed that make me the most angry. I can't stand a fricken hypocrite.
So, are the Christians the only "hypocrites?" Or are there Republicans and Democrat hypocrites too? I think so, but what has this got to do with morals or government roles? The issue is that moral standards are good for a country. Honesty is a moral standard. I don't think many would like to live in a country that didn't punish thievery. Giving a false witness is a moral or immoral standard. We work hard to be honest and tell the truth in our judicial system....so throw out that moral standard too? I would think that Republican/Democrat/Christian would all be in favor of those moral standards. Abortion??? this is just a smoke screen for something else. What other moral standards are we looking at? Adultery? What a shame if we say we are for it! GS
 
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Hang on a sec. I guarantee that you are a hypocrite as well. Do you consider yourself to be a mean person? No? Have you ever been mean to anyone? HYPOCRITE!!!

Seriously, if you have a problem with Christians, fine. But don't let it be because we are hypocrites (read: HUMAN). Let it be because of a real reason. Because if you hate hypocrites, you have a long life of hatred to live.

I believe very strongly that abortion is wrong. Do I think they should make it illegal? Nope. If they do, it's back to the "coat hanger in a back alley" way of aborting the baby. Not a pretty situation.

Do you really believe that Republicans are "hiding" behind the abortion issue? What do you mean? That doesn't really make any sense. And do you honestly think that abortion and "small government" are the only differences between a dem. and a rep.? Give me a break. :s

You want to live in a society with no morals? Be my guest. But good luck convincing anyone to live there with you.

You see, morality is not something we can just escape. People will NEVER think of lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc. as things that are ok to do. So I don't see how Christian morals are any different. Are you not repulsed by a woman who sleeps around with just about anyone? What's the difference?

There IS such a thing as right and wrong (read: absolute truth). You cannot escape it. Sorry to ruin your party.
 
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Hm...I don't think so. Where do you get that?
 
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I never said there was an absolute truth to EVERYTHING, did I?

Are you telling me that there is no absolute truth? Are you absolutely sure?

If you want to get into why there most definitely IS absolute truth, I would suggest you read CS Lewis's Mere Christianity. The first section.

Go ahead...just because it's a Christian book doesn't mean it will bite you if you read it, or try to drill Christian doctrine into your head, or anything like that. The book is simply an explanation of what Christians believe, and why. Good reading, even if you aren't a Christian (everyone owes it to himself to look at both sides of the argument).

And I didn't even mention the Bible in relation to absolute truth. You're misquoting me. Read what I say before you reply to me next time.

What I meant was that there are things that are universally "right" and "wrong." It is not culture-specific, and not based on any religion. There simply are things that ARE right and there are things that ARE wrong.

Unless you want to tell me that stealing is OK. Or lying, or murder, or rape...need I go on?

Seriously...think about it. Do you REALLY think that there are no absolutes? So if I were to come to your house and kill your wife for no reason (assuming you're married) and told you that I felt that it was OK for me to do that, that you would be OK with it? NO! You would say it was absolutely wrong!

No absolutes? Bah! That doesn't even make logical sense.
 
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Or perhaps you mean to tell me that what is true for me may not be true for you, and something else entirely may be true for another man. This simply does not make any sense. All major religions believe that they are the only right religion. In other words, they are all in direct opposition to each other. There is something called the "law of non-contradiction" which states that two opposing ideas/facts/whatever cannot both be true. One is true and one is false, or they are both false.

For instance, if I told you that in parking space number 5 I had a solid red Honda Civic, you would probably believe me. But suppose a minute later I told you that in parking space number 5 I had a solid black Chevy Malibu. At this point, you must decide whether to believe in one or the other, or neither.

It is the same with religion. Either there is only one that is true, or none of them is. Of course, there is some truth in any religion. But only one can be completely true.

I like to think Christianity is the true one, and I have plenty of reasons for that. I can defend my beliefs all day. Can you defend your belief that there is no absolute truth? I think not.
 
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Hm, I think the original post was meant to be a comment on the conflictory nature of the traditional (but rarely practiced) conservative agenda, which is that the federal government should be involved with daily life as little as possible. He points out an interesting contradiction, in that the religious right, a huge power base and constituancy for republicans, does indeed try to enforce a certain degree of relgiously inspired morality into legislation i.e. the abortion issue (not to say that all people against abortion are Christians). That being said, the divide between church and state in our country, while clearly intended by the founders, has always been something of a laugh. Our Puritan roots loom large over the nation. It was just recently national news that sodomy laws had been overturned by the courts, making it legal for homosexuals to have sex in all states for the first time. Of course, many states still have laws on the books making it illegal for anybody to engage in oral sex and other non-traditional acts. This type of dogmatic morality comes directly from our conservative Christian roots.
 
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I don't think it's as simple as saying murder = wrong, lying = wrong, etc. There are circumstances surrounding every situation.

Is killing a guy for just for fun wrong?
Is killing a guy who looked at you wrong?
What about guy who stole your wallet?
What about a guy who broke into your house with a gun?
What about a guy who killed someone else?
What about a guy who killed 15 babies?

Each person decides their own level of morality. To some people (who not doubt would be viewed as insane by most, including me), it's not wrong to kill someone for a reason that others would find appauling.
 
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I was referring to 'pick and choose' morals. Sorry if it came across like I was talking about not having any morals at all. I do believe in morals, but not religiously based morals.

Swank hit it dead on what my original post was saying.
 
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Man I'd get the boot from that school in a flash! No physical contact beyond holding hands? Whew! I wonder what would happen if they found out u Penis Enlargement?
 
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This thread is not meant to justifty Christianity hypocrisy by talking about other shit. Start another thread for that.

I think the gov. shouldnt even be allowed to recognize religion. No tax breaks for churches. But I'm okay about in God we Trust, because God is just a metaphor for the Supreme Being that possibly created everything. Not necessarily a Christian God, or Allah.

If Religious people could realize Evolution, both in the start of the 1st human, and the natural evolution that our country and society goes through. Then we would all be much better. No more dividing our nation and political system with bullshit like homosexuality and abortion. Then we can focus on REAL problems that effect everyone. Not just the stubborn, selfish minority.
 
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I don't think it's as simple as saying murder = wrong, lying = wrong, etc. There are circumstances surrounding every situation.

Is killing a guy for just for fun wrong?
Is killing a guy who looked at you wrong?
What about guy who stole your wallet?
What about a guy who broke into your house with a gun?
What about a guy who killed someone else?
What about a guy who killed 15 babies?

Each person decides their own level of morality. To some people (who not doubt would be viewed as insane by most, including me), it's not wrong to kill someone for a reason that others would find appauling.
Killing for fun? Wrong. Killing for looking at me? Wrong. Killing for theft? Wrong. Killing for breaking into my house? It depends. If he intended to kill me with that gun, then it would be self-defense. Killing for killing someone else? It depends. Why not lock him up? Killing someone for killing 15 babies? Are you suggesting that I should be able to kill any doctor who has performed a partial-birth abortion? I think not.

Yes, there are some who think it would be OK to kill me if I looked at them the wrong way. Those people are what we call sociopathic. They have lost touch with reality, and as a result, morality.

Sane humans all have basically the same morality. It is wrong to kill. It is wrong to steal. Et cetera. There is a standard.

If there is no moral standard, then why, if someone were to steal a radio from you, would you say "Hey! Give that back! It's mine! It isn't right for you to steal it!" And don't tell me that if the guy told you that he felt that the circumstances were such that he should be allowed to take the radio, that you would be OK with it. So, by saying "It isn't right, give it back," you are implying that there really is some Right and Wrong. Otherwise, you would just be saying that his stealing the radio from you was inconvenient, which would be completely pointless to say.

So, is there such thing as Right and Wrong? Yes. Otherwise, to what are you appealing when you claim that his stealing your radio is wrong? Obviously there is some standard.

This thread is not meant to justifty Christianity hypocrisy by talking about other shit. Start another thread for that.
Sorry, but by him attacking Christians, that leaves it open for us to defend ourselves.

I think the gov. shouldnt even be allowed to recognize religion. No tax breaks for churches. But I'm okay about in God we Trust, because God is just a metaphor for the Supreme Being that possibly created everything. Not necessarily a Christian God, or Allah.
Well, when they put that motto on coins and such, they had in mind the Christian God. And you can't have religious freedom without recognizing religion. So...bad point.

If Religious people could realize Evolution, both in the start of the 1st human, and the natural evolution that our country and society goes through. Then we would all be much better. No more dividing our nation and political system with bullshit like homosexuality and abortion. Then we can focus on REAL problems that effect everyone. Not just the stubborn, selfish minority.
Oh man. Don't tell me you ACTUALLY think that we came from a rock. There are SO many problems with that theory, and NO real scientist regards it as fact. It is a very bad theory, and doesn't have very much evidence at all to support it. But I blieve I've already given you a link to explain all this, and you obviously haven't checked it out, and probably don't intend to. So before you go off about evolution, why don't you check the facts and have a good listen to both sides of the argument? I mean, you can't even begin to make a strong argument for your side unless you know both sides.

More typical hypocrisy from the religous Right.
The link isn't working for me. But like I said, if you have a problem with hypocrisy, you have a problem with humanity in general, not just Christians. As if we are the only hypocrites, and you have never been one. Whatever.
 
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If there is no moral standard, then why, if someone were to steal a radio from you, would you say "Hey! Give that back! It's mine! It isn't right for you to steal it!" And don't tell me that if the guy told you that he felt that the circumstances were such that he should be allowed to take the radio, that you would be OK with it. So, by saying "It isn't right, give it back," you are implying that there really is some Right and Wrong. Otherwise, you would just be saying that his stealing the radio from you was inconvenient, which would be completely pointless to say.
Its called the Rule of Law. Ya know, its part of civilization? If Religious zealot werent as civilized, like during the Pilgrim days, you guys would still be burning people thinking they were witches, and stoning homosexuals.

The Ten Commandments arent even sufficient enough rule of law. More than half arent even laws! Obey your parents? Not a law. Covet they neighbors wife? Not a law. Use Lords name in Vein? Not a law.

But fuck all the "who is right" b/c the religious people will never look past the bible, so whats the point. The Supreme Court is ruling on a case that asks, "Is Pledge of Alligiance Unconstitutional for using Under God"?

My 2 cents is yes, basically b/c I disagree with why its on there in the first place. It was put in there during the McCarthy Era, when everybody was being blacklisted and accused for being a Russian spy and a Communists. So they put in "under God", and looked for the people who didnt say it and they were Commies. That Big Brother Orwellian bullshit.

Same shit is going on now, where they profile and put Peace rallyers and War protestors in a giant Dep. of Homeland Sec. database with pictures, your Juvenille records and anything else they want to know about you. Its fuckin 1984.
 

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