Guidance for a frustrated brother

Owally · Aug 23, 2024

Hey all,

I'll just get right to it:

I ordered the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging a month ago, was super stoked, then quickly stopped using it.

I can't seem to get the wrapping right. Some days I feel the stretch where I should, some days all I do is slip. It's to the point that I've gotten pretty discouraged and stopped stretching. It doubles the frustration because that's all time I could have been getting any kind of gain.

I haven't found an instructional video that will play, I might not be searching correctly. Does anyone have some advice on wrapping for lengthmaster?

Thanks, trying to get back at it.

oldandlively · Aug 23, 2024

If you are using mobile device, the menu is on the top. For computer, it's on the left. Look for Media, and below that, instructional videos.

Brother SIM has a very detail wrapping method.

https://mattersofsize.com/media/albums/sims-video-instructions.98/

If you can't seem to get it right, let us know. Are you circumcised or not? If you are not, is your frenulum intact? Some brothers have issues with sensitive frenulum.

This allows us to provide methods to wrap more effectively.

Owally · Aug 24, 2024

oldandlively said:
If you are using mobile device, the menu is on the top. For computer, it's on the left. Look for Media, and below that, instructional videos.

Brother SIM has a very detail wrapping method.

https://mattersofsize.com/media/albums/sims-video-instructions.98/

If you can't seem to get it right, let us know. Are you circumcised or not? If you are not, is your frenulum intact? Some brothers have issues with sensitive frenulum.

This allows us to provide methods to wrap more effectively.

Thanks as always oldandlively.

That was a super helpful link. I haven't seen that wrapping video, makes sense.

I am circumcised. Currently I feel more of a skin stretch from twisting the bundle than a pull on the inner tendon. I assume this is normal in the beginning since that skin has to stretch too?

I did feel more of a prolonged stretch (good soreness, like after lifting weights. Sore but not injured) after manually stretching using my thumb as the broomstick method. Less so with bundles and lengthaster.

Hopefully wrapping better will help, I'll try it this week. Thanks, once I get this right it'll be more motivating to keep with it.

oldandlively · Aug 24, 2024

Owally said:
I am circumcised. Currently I feel more of a skin stretch from twisting the bundle than a pull on the inner tendon. I assume this is normal in the beginning since that skin has to stretch too?

If you don't pull your foreskin back so the glans can act as a terminal stopper, the foreskin will cause the plates to slide. The same thing happens for the traction devices. Skin stretches will occur rather than the internal tissues and ligaments. Brother SIM wrapping method is a hybrid, where only part of the glans is used as a stopper. He does mention that the skin tends to stretch more than the tissues and ligaments until he pulled the glans back more to act as a terminal stopper.

Owally said:
I did feel more of a prolonged stretch (good soreness, like after lifting weights. Sore but not injured) after manually stretching using my thumb as the broomstick method. Less so with bundles and lengthaster.

This is what you are looking for.

Owally said:
Hopefully wrapping better will help, I'll try it this week. Thanks, once I get this right it'll be more motivating to keep with it.

Keep at it. You will find the optimal wrapping method.

Abdiel Bull Berg · Aug 24, 2024

Yepp it’s all about the wrapping and also about tightening it down as hard as you can to get a good grip. Personally I tighten it so much that the two pieces of the chamber is so far down that they almost touch each other.

Best of luck figuring out how you can use the Lengthmaster brother. Me, I choose to hang with it and get zero slippage with 3 kg’s which is my starter weight though I know it will handle heavier weights as I progress and add weight.

Owally · Aug 25, 2024

oldandlively said:
If you don't pull your foreskin back so the glans can act as a terminal stopper, the foreskin will cause the plates to slide. The same thing happens for the traction devices. Skin stretches will occur rather than the internal tissues and ligaments. Brother SIM wrapping method is a hybrid, where only part of the glans is used as a stopper. He does mention that the skin tends to stretch more than the tissues and ligaments until he pulled the glans back more to act as a terminal stopper.

This is what you are looking for.

Keep at it. You will find the optimal wrapping method.

Thanks for the detailed response.

I'm going to try an focus on the wrapping this week, and focus more on feeling the correct pull than counting turns in the bundles.

I have found I end up doing almost a DLD blaster in most positions, rotating the lengthmaster so it's putting more pressure further down instead of relying 100% on my gland as a stop. Not sure if that's good technique but it seems to work. Also rotating my pelvis to add some tension seems to work too.

I have been getting some bruising and discoloration in my gland after stretching, I assume it's normal.

I am clamping down plastic to plastic to keep from slipping.

I'll report back at the end of the week, hopefully with good news of finding a good wrapping method to stretch correctly.

I read through an old post of mine and I think I'm coming around to someday adding pumping. Once I get the wrapping and stretching down, I think a bath mate is in the future for next year.

Thanks again.

Owally · Aug 25, 2024

Abdiel Bull Berg said:
Yepp it’s all about the wrapping and also about tightening it down as hard as you can to get a good grip. Personally I tighten it so much that the two pieces of the chamber is so far down that they almost touch each other.

Best of luck figuring out how you can use the Lengthmaster brother. Me, I choose to hang with it and get zero slippage with 3 kg’s which is my starter weight though I know it will handle heavier weights as I progress and add weight.

I do like hanging, I can't remember the weight, but I've thought about hooking up my Rogue change plates, because the metal balls I use aren't heavy enough. I usually only hang if I have a lot of computer work (I work at home) and the ADS when I'm in the shop.

What exactly is the difference in hanging vs stretching? Or is hanging more of an "active recovery" thing?

oldandlively · Aug 26, 2024

Owally said:
I have found I end up doing almost a DLD blaster in most positions, rotating the lengthmaster so it's putting more pressure further down instead of relying 100% on my gland as a stop. Not sure if that's good technique but it seems to work. Also rotating my pelvis to add some tension seems to work too.

If you have the sufficient length, yes, you can go down a bit more. Even at 7in length, I still have a bit of a hard time to do some of the routines as they need more length for proper power grips. If you can grab at the lower areas with ease, definitely more advantages to you.

Owally said:
I have been getting some bruising and discoloration in my gland after stretching, I assume it's normal.

Very common. Discoloration on the glans is easier to remove than the discoloration along the penile shaft. The glans removes the old blood faster through venous drainage than the old blood that broke apart due to bad girth sessions.

Owally said:
I am clamping down plastic to plastic to keep from slipping.

As long as you don't suffer any pinching or suffering from pain, that's great.

Owally said:
I'll report back at the end of the week, hopefully with good news of finding a good wrapping method to stretch correctly.

My suggestion is to also take snapshots of your wrapping methods and the evolved adjustments through the months. You will help other brothers that have similar issues as you down the road.

Owally said:
I read through an old post of mine and I think I'm coming around to someday adding pumping. Once I get the wrapping and stretching down, I think a bath mate is in the future for next year.

Good game plan for now. Keep us posted.

Abdiel Bull Berg · Aug 26, 2024

Owally said:
I do like hanging, I can't remember the weight, but I've thought about hooking up my Rogue change plates, because the metal balls I use aren't heavy enough. I usually only hang if I have a lot of computer work (I work at home) and the ADS when I'm in the shop.

What exactly is the difference in hanging vs stretching? Or is hanging more of an "active recovery" thing?

Nope, hanging is a high intensity, certified way of gaining length. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of a PE veteran called BiB(bigger is better) whom gained several inches of length via hanging, if I remember correct he’s 12 inches long.

The active recovery is done after completing your hanging session with a wrap, sleeve or as in my case an extender.
I really feel the fatigue on my third set of hanging and then I ride that fatigue out by wearing my extender.

Owally · Aug 26, 2024

oldandlively said:
If you have the sufficient length, yes, you can go down a bit more. Even at 7in length, I still have a bit of a hard time to do some of the routines as they need more length for proper power grips. If you can grab at the lower areas with ease, definitely more advantages to you.

Very common. Discoloration on the glans is easier to remove than the discoloration along the penile shaft. The glans removes the old blood faster through venous drainage than the old blood that broke apart due to bad girth sessions.

As long as you don't suffer any pinching or suffering from pain, that's great.

My suggestion is to also take snapshots of your wrapping methods and the evolved adjustments through the months. You will help other brothers that have similar issues as you down the road.

Good game plan for now. Keep us posted.

Had a better stretch session this morning, took a few tries to get the wrapping feeling better but I think I'm headed in the correct direction. I do use a space heater turned all the way up aimed right at my groin and that seems to helps a lot.

Is it considered ok to post a photo of my setup to see if it looks correct or at least not terribly wrong? Describing with words only gets so far sometimes.

I do have a very high pain threshold, it doesn't get me off but I tend to tolerate things more than others. I mainly feel the pressure in my glans more than the stretch, though sitting here in my ADS writing this I feel like I was more targeted this morning.

Little steps, thank you so much @oldandlively
I'll keep updated through the week to make sure today wasn't a fluke.

Owally · Aug 26, 2024

Abdiel Bull Berg said:
Nope, hanging is a high intensity, certified way of gaining length. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of a PE veteran called BiB(bigger is better) whom gained several inches of length via hanging, if I remember correct he’s 12 inches long.

The active recovery is done after completing your hanging session with a wrap, sleeve or as in my case an extender.
I really feel the fatigue on my third set of hanging and then I ride that fatigue out by wearing my extender.

I tried the hanging part of the lengthmaster for the first time today while doing my morning emails. 5lbs felt great, could add one or two and still be comfy. Hung for about 30 min after my bundles workout, trying to find my ideal setup. I'm using change plates, just need to get a better method of attaching them, the webbing loop is pretty long. Hanging is great when I have office work to do.

Do you just hang, or do you do other stretches? I don't want to over-do it, but mixing a few techniques might keep me engaged and work the gains in multiple ways.

oldandlively · Aug 26, 2024

Owally said:
Had a better stretch session this morning, took a few tries to get the wrapping feeling better but I think I'm headed in the correct direction. I do use a space heater turned all the way up aimed right at my groin and that seems to helps a lot.

This is a trick our brother SIM used to keep the tissues malleable. Tissues reach malleability-plasticity at a certain temp, around 98F to 101F and allows crazy works to be performed. You just have to deal with dry and sweaty balls at the same time. Strange, but true.

Owally said:
Is it considered ok to post a photo of my setup to see if it looks correct or at least not terribly wrong? Describing with words only gets so far sometimes.

Definitely. This is your journey and discoveries. Share, get recognized, and help other brothers.

Owally said:
I do have a very high pain threshold, it doesn't get me off but I tend to tolerate things more than others. I mainly feel the pressure in my glans more than the stretch, though sitting here in my ADS writing this I feel like I was more targeted this morning.

This is why we keep logs and keep ourselves in check with gauges at all time. We don't based on "feelings" because our pain thresholds can cause our routines to go into the extreme way too fast. This is how we injure ourselves.

Owally said:
Little steps, thank you so much @oldandlively
I'll keep updated through the week to make sure today wasn't a fluke.

Always here for you brother. We are all here to help each other out.

Owally · Aug 26, 2024

oldandlively said:
This is a trick our brother SIM used to keep the tissues malleable. Tissues reach malleability-plasticity at a certain temp, around 98F to 101F and allows crazy works to be performed. You just have to deal with dry and sweaty balls at the same time. Strange, but true.

Definitely. This is your journey and discoveries. Share, get recognized, and help other brothers.

This is why we keep logs and keep ourselves in check with gauges at all time. We don't based on "feelings" because our pain thresholds can cause our routines to go into the extreme way too fast. This is how we injure ourselves.

Always here for you brother. We are all here to help each other out.

Ok, so after watching @squirt_inducer_man s wrapping video, I think I'm getting more the hang of it. I'm stretching all the way flaccid, wrapping THERABAND then cloth then stretch cling bandage.

I'm screwing down all the way, but only the front portion contacts plastic to plastic. Does this look normal? Seems to work, but it's not putting even clamp force across the depth of the relief in the lengthmaster. Last photo shows that best I could.

As for going too hard too fast and injuring, I'm taking some breaks while I stretch, and starting off with 20 active minutes. As you said @oldandlively its all relative, will take time to understand how I feel and how to proceed increasing intensity.

Hopefully this looks relatively correct.

oldandlively · Aug 26, 2024

Golden!

Always make sure the wrap doesn't slide or roll. If does, it should only move by 1 to 2mm. Keep playing with the wrapping method and you'll master it to maximize comforts and effective holding strength.

Owally · Aug 27, 2024

oldandlively said:
Golden!

Always make sure the wrap doesn't slide or roll. If does, it should only move by 1 to 2mm. Keep playing with the wrapping method and you'll master it to maximize comforts and effective holding strength.

Wrapping went a bit better this morning, stretching went better as well.

If I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, @squirt_inducer_man mentioned you will be a bit longer flaccid after stretching sessions. I definitely was about 1/2" longer and felt a bit fatigued, mainly in the taint (better word?) area. The blasters really get that stretch feeling. My ADS is also stretched further than after previous sessions so I feel like I'm on the correct path.

I have started liking hanging for 10-15 min afterwards in front of the heater, it's kind of like a post-workout warmdown when you do mobility work after a heavy lifting day. Trying to carry over what I know about strength work to PE. Seems like it makes sense.

I'm only updating every day this week because I had been so frustrated. If the rest of the week is as positive, I'll only check in every now and then.

Thanks again, I feel like I'm turning the corner.

oldandlively · Aug 27, 2024

Owally said:
Wrapping went a bit better this morning, stretching went better as well.

If I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, @squirt_inducer_man mentioned you will be a bit longer flaccid after stretching sessions. I definitely was about 1/2" longer and felt a bit fatigued, mainly in the taint (better word?) area.

1/2in is merely a starting point. Soon, you'll see a full 1in and heading to 2in of extra flaccid. It's hard to believe, but seeing is believing. It's actually partial fatigue and mostly post-malleability of tissues.

Owally said:
The blasters really get that stretch feeling. My ADS is also stretched further than after previous sessions so I feel like I'm on the correct path.

Keep at it, and you'll master than wrapping. It took a me nearly two months to mater the wrapping method for most circumstances. You'll soon find out that there are situations that wrapping and rewrapping will be involved along the PE journey. I lost count of how many methods I have to adapt to.

Owally said:
I have started liking hanging for 10-15 min afterwards in front of the heater, it's kind of like a post-workout warmdown when you do mobility work after a heavy lifting day. Trying to carry over what I know about strength work to PE. Seems like it makes sense.

Makes perfect sense. Our brother SIM does the same. I did the same. But during summer time, it feels like I'm sitting in front of an oven. For me, I use a warm water bottle or a warm rice sock. Makes things easier.

Owally said:
I'm only updating every day this week because I had been so frustrated. If the rest of the week is as positive, I'll only check in every now and then.

Only update when you can. The logs are for you to keep track of. It's for us to see where you are. It's more for you as a journey log and for us to support you along the way.

Abdiel Bull Berg · Aug 27, 2024

Owally said:
I tried the hanging part of the lengthmaster for the first time today while doing my morning emails. 5lbs felt great, could add one or two and still be comfy. Hung for about 30 min after my bundles workout, trying to find my ideal setup. I'm using change plates, just need to get a better method of attaching them, the webbing loop is pretty long. Hanging is great when I have office work to do.

Do you just hang, or do you do other stretches? I don't want to over-do it, but mixing a few techniques might keep me engaged and work the gains in multiple ways.

I don’t do any other stretches though I do use an extender before and after hanging. A very good and effortless way of healing in an extended state after hanging, but it does require me to wear it for a minimum of 4 hours a day.

Remember to add a bit of weight every other week, I will add half a kg every other week as that’s the lightest weight plates I’ve got. Gotta do it nice and slowly and build up to that heavier weight.

Best of luck figuring out your exact routine brother, just gotta keep on experimenting and you’ll get there eventually.

Abdiel Bull Berg · Aug 27, 2024

Owally said:
Ok, so after watching @squirt_inducer_man s wrapping video, I think I'm getting more the hang of it. I'm stretching all the way flaccid, wrapping Theraband then cloth then stretch cling bandage.

I'm screwing down all the way, but only the front portion contacts plastic to plastic. Does this look normal? Seems to work, but it's not putting even clamp force across the depth of the relief in the lengthmaster. Last photo shows that best I could.

As for going too hard too fast and injuring, I'm taking some breaks while I stretch, and starting off with 20 active minutes. As you said @oldandlively its all relative, will take time to understand how I feel and how to proceed increasing intensity.

Hopefully this looks relatively correct.

Only thing I would point out regarding your Theraband wrapping is to get no wrinkles or edges when wrapping it on. What I’m trying to say is to get it as clean and smooth as you can if you get what I mean.

@squirt_inducer_man was very adamant about getting the Theraband as straight, tight and «wrinkle-free» as possible for a better grip on your unit.

oldandlively · Aug 27, 2024

Abdiel Bull Berg said:
Only thing I would point out regarding your Theraband wrapping is to get no wrinkles or edges when wrapping it on. What I’m trying to say is to get it as clean and smooth as you can if you get what I mean.

@squirt_inducer_man was very adamant about getting the Theraband as straight, tight and «wrinkle-free» as possible for a better grip on your unit.

Dead on correct. The wrinkles cause folds. Folds hold onto skin and roll themselves, which causes pain. Under plate pressures, the folds and rolls can cause extreme discomforts. Brother SIM is very meticulous on his descriptions and warnings. We all try to do the same thing by offering every aspects of PE in detailed provision of info. Wish he's around more often, but he needs his personal time away.

Abdiel Bull Berg · Aug 27, 2024

oldandlively said:
Dead on correct. The wrinkles cause folds. Folds hold onto skin and roll themselves, which causes pain. Under plate pressures, the folds and rolls can cause extreme discomforts. Brother SIM is very meticulous on his descriptions and warnings. We all try to do the same thing by offering every aspects of PE in detailed provision of info. Wish he's around more often, but he needs his personal time away.

Aah, folds was actually the word I was looking for, haha, english is my second language so I forget some words some times. Thank you for clearing that up brother.

And yes brother SIM is VERY meticulous in everything he does, especially regarding the wrapping, without him I would not have gotten my wrapping technique down as good as I do now.

Yepp, brother SIM always talked about taking some personal time when he used to be hyper active on here but he never managed to do so then. Glad he finally did. We used to talk a bit privately via Google Chat as well so I know he felt like he needed it. But he’ll definitely be back, no doubt in my mind.

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