Why an ordinary person cannot get out of the rat race!!!

There is so much talk of money and how it is made. but do we really know how it is produced?
Money As Debt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8

Money As Debt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_doYllBk5No



I have so many things i would like to do but if you cannot get major credit and willing to die in the debt race you are not eligible for even starting your own business.

We are never born free until we fight the real war! Bankers must be fought since they control us, not the government!
 
Its a bastard. In the UK 10% have all the money, probably the same everywhere and they dont suffer like the rest. We have football players on £250,000 a week!!! I mean talk about taking the piss when a mother and her kids with no job are scraping together for a loaf of bread and milk.

I want to setup a business one day but not sure what in. Either be Animals or technology. I have even thought about adult entertainment, directing and acting. Me and DLD would make a good team. One day who knows what may happen. Certainly have a talent pool from [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] to choose from :)
 
I hear ya bro, awareness is the key and people need to know that harder work won't save us, only fair distribution of goods and intellectual properties!
 
It does make me angry when some of these very wealthy people with millions and millions just hide it all away and dont want to help others more. Yes one could say that I wouldn't be saying this if I had £50 million but you know what? seriously as god is my witness I would do so much good such as business for people with no home and make it free, invest into youth projects so they get off the streets and have education and for free.

These rich cats can give so much for free to help people but they dont. You do get some and Bill Gates, Lord Allan Sugar and Sir Richard Branston are good examples of rich cats that help poorer people. Thats helping your fellow man ... I could never imagine having millions and millions of pounds but sure know I could never sit in my mansion SLASH castle knowing that people are on the bones of their ass with nothing when I have everything .... how do people do this? must be so fucking selfish and we see it in the tabloids daily with these horrible singers who so love themselves, they break a nail and the world has ended or they miss out on a deal like that false girl Cheryl Cole and its tears .... they need to smell the air and realize they are blessed in a great position so like it and help others.
 
Wang Chung;416427 said:
Since the 70's the wealth inequality has grown in the US, and is now at a record level.

Ah, but incomes have risen for everyone, as has the standard of living. "Wealth inequality" is a meaningless term in a free society IMO.

If your income goes up by $5,000 next year, and your neighbor's income goes up by $100,000, you're still better off than you were last year. It's a waste of time to expend energy worrying about how much everyone else has.

Just my 2 cents.
 
pecsofsteel;416528 said:
Ah, but incomes have risen for everyone, as has the standard of living. "Wealth inequality" is a meaningless term in a free society IMO.

If your income goes up by $5,000 next year, and your neighbor's income goes up by $100,000, you're still better off than you were last year. It's a waste of time to expend energy worrying about how much everyone else has.

Just my 2 cents.

Your two cents are why things are the way they are, nobody cares....just take care of your own ass...who cares if the majority is suffering...pure Wall street thinking, you make a hell of a biz guy...no feelings, just manual carnivorous behavior....
 
Alex78;416532 said:
Your two cents are why things are the way they are, nobody cares....just take care of your own ass...who cares if the majority is suffering...pure Wall street thinking, you make a hell of a biz guy...no feelings, just manual carnivorous behavior....

Yes, my thinking is exactly why things are the way they are.

My thinking is why the United States--and other Western Democracies, to varying extents--is full of opportunity and prosperity.

My thinking is why there are no starvation deaths from poverty in the United States. The government doesn't even keep statistics on it, because it just never happens. The only time it does is when someone breaks a leg in the woods and accidentally starves--things that have nothing to do with poverty.

My thinking--a belief in free market capitalism--has brought more prosperity to more people than any other system ever devised by man.

And people who share in my thinking are far more generous than people who think like you. On average, people who do not believe in income redistribution and attend religious services regularly give away 100 times more to all charities (and 50 times more to secular charities) than people who don't go to church and believe in income redistribution.

I have no idea what "manual carnivorous behavior" is, but you're way off base.
 
Well to say that US is an economy powered by itself is really dumb since 90% of what they market is produced outside.
You are the most leeching society there is and will stop at nothing to deforest,plunder or in another way destroy an economy to get the products under price.

Economic hit mans are the normal tactics which US uses to get other countries to sell their natural resources below price and in debt them to the degree that they are in actual slavery conditions to them!
Only Americans really subscribe to the theory that all wars are actually made by foreigners and America comes to save the day!
Whenever America is low on cash a new war is started an more debt is created to perpetuate the ongoing system which is fake and produces more than the earth can provide only for the sake of consumerism...

To say that America leads the way in charity, what happened after New Orleans? What did the government do... Nothing...everything is the same...that is why there are no borders and the 3 world people live within you and do not have the same privileges...
Democracy is a myth just like socialism, only systems of control, until you see that the banking system is sending your children at war and not some terrorist you will never look at them as just some paper pushers...
They push death at a large scale...
Watch Zeitgeist all three parts and those above i listed...
Not every American lives on a burger daily and preaches free market just because his daddy told him so...
 
PudendaPleasure;416567 said:
Zeitgeist? Aww okay now I know all I need to know about the direction of this thread.

Ok and tell me, beyond the Zeitgeist and Money as Debt what are your counter documentaries for praising these obsolete systems that govern us?

And of course why should we not change them?
 
Of Course
[video=youtube;Pg5K07c72Tw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5K07c72Tw[/video]

The government is the goose that lays the golden egg. Yeah the goose is fat and needs to go on a diet but if you kill the goose you have no golden eggs. I'm currently a proponent of Ron Paul.
 
Actually this guy backs the big ideas of Zeitgeist but doesn't agree on the small ones!

Technology steals jobs, sure some jobs are to be closed and people trained over...but how many 2%, 3%?
The thing is most of the now manual jobs will become obsolete in years to come, more and more do robots fill the gap of making cars,furniture,any type of material to be made... and we are talking hundreds of thousands of people laid off,this guy does not care he is at the top of the food chain, probably owns stocks of a company and lives in a bubble of information tech that is not real and actually just produces silly application which do not benefit nobody in the long run!

The biggest givers in the world, like Tesla, Einstein or some other genius did not work to get rich but for the pleasure of the work itself, money was just to buy some important stuff, but this guy works to get money and never gives important solution that benefits...

How can you stand behind a system in which 4% of the people control the world?
Governments should not fall only be larger and controlled by smaller ones which are the people!

I do not see eye to eye with 10% of Zeitgeist but i do with 90%

This kind of propaganda is happening because we do not have equality and a transparent system but a monopoly hidden one by the names such as democracy or a free market...

Money is debt and if this guy would have known that the government has only few % of it in real paper how in the world can you get more?
You need to take credit and make them print it!

I would not get rid of money but sure would restrict governments to have 1:1 ratio to back it up and not 1:9 or higher!
 
Dude, you're all over the map.

How about this: I'll commit to watch zeitgeist and the two other videos you posted at the top if you'll commit to watch Milton Freidman's Free to Choose series. How does that sound?
 
pecsofsteel;416620 said:
Dude, you're all over the map.

How about this: I'll commit to watch zeitgeist and the two other videos you posted at the top if you'll commit to watch Milton Freidman's Free to Choose series. How does that sound?
Thanks for reminding me of this. I think its time for me to watch it again.
 
Things always heat up when money is brought into the picture:) Someone send me some donations! I need some new sneakers!
 
I've asked alex78 before, and I'll put the challenge to him again: What have YOU actually done, actually accomplished, what effort have you, yourself-live-and-in-person actually expended, above and beyond shaking your impotent little fist in self-righteous (yet impotent) rage against all these hordes of rapacious hobgoblins which seem to occupy your every waking thought?

Like I told you before; produce evidence of actual results...or shut the fuck up.

This is a website dedicated to positivity and accomplishment; your negative, defeatist bullshit is a complete anathema, diametrically opposed to everything here. It doesn't belong.

And if you persist neither will you.
 
No question that inequity grows in America, and I believe the "conspiracy theory" that they (bankers & Govt) are trying to get rid of the middle class.... which means they want elitism. Evidence of it everywhere. However, currently, if you have good credit and a sharp mind, you can still make excellent investments and make good money and begin a snowball effect. I represent investors, especially newbie investors a bit. I had one last year I helped make $125,000 in one year. They only invested $25,000, so that's a 500% return on investment.

There is money to be made... but Max is right, nobody ever got a thing by whining. Personally, I'm hoping Alex starts assassinating the banksters and then comes back to report his accomplishments, think I'm expecting too much?
 
MAXAMEYES;430684 said:
I've asked alex78 before, and I'll put the challenge to him again: What have YOU actually done, actually accomplished, what effort have you, yourself-live-and-in-person actually expended, above and beyond shaking your impotent little fist in self-righteous (yet impotent) rage against all these hordes of rapacious hobgoblins which seem to occupy your every waking thought?

Like I told you before; produce evidence of actual results...or shut the fuck up.

This is a website dedicated to positivity and accomplishment; your negative, defeatist bullshit is a complete anathema, diametrically opposed to everything here. It doesn't belong.

And if you persist neither will you.

you are kind of stretching your privileges here, if i were to talk to you like this i probably get banned, since when is freedom of speech negative, i love life, but not slavery, and the monetary system created hundreds of years ago did not change much and as people we should spread the word.

One cannot conquer or change but when the critical number of awareness reaches its peak, people get aware all over the globe and that is what the internet is giving us..

I for one Max have always put the topics like this to my friends and the guys over the net, i think this is important and clearly you are in some state of fear or troubles in life, nobody who is calm cannot just shoot out stuff like you.
Money is a big aspect of our lives, and without it, we act and think in the state of fear and disarray, if you did watch documentaries like zeitgeist and money as debt you would see the underlining evidence presented even in a court case, and you would at least open your mind to the possibility that the banks are employing a non productive lending scheme which in the end only makes more people in debt and miserable.
I am positive because i know we will in time break them!
 
So freedom of speech is only for those who archive something?

I have had 2 cases with patent on ideas. Both stolen. Sad with papers and shit saying. I had the right to these products. My lawyer said: you can do this, but it will take years it will cost more money than you make in a year and meanwhile they will grow bigger and fatter. Also if they have a smart lawyer they will change a few things and you will lose the case.

So i have accompliced to be ass raped twice by a system that supports the rich people. Does that count?

Im liberal in my mind i wanna work for my price thats how i work. But i dont see it as liberal when someone sits in the top pressing every penny out of people at the bottom.

I have started 3 companies so far (2 recently other one closed some time ago)

And i have always worked and focused to archive great.

But i dont do this to become stevejobs rich. I do this as a passion and because i like it. Of course i find it interresting to get wealthy it is a part of it. But there should be some limits to this.

Also to the other side of topic
after seeing this freemarket video.

Our good friend chong weii working on a factory for a good payment.
Describe for me how it should be possible for him to ever get to the top?
He is stuck in this situation untill he dies. No way out ( unless he breaks the rules)

And now this breaking the rules:

Name me 1 person who "archived somthing"

Who played by the rules?

Just one
 
Aiming, that really sucks. I've almost had friendships end over stolen ideas-nothing patentable, but simply someone claiming they thought of it first-makes me fly into a rage!
Also, I found it amusing that you mentioned "stevejobs rich" as a bencHydromaxark, since Mr. Jobs is likely to have committed the biggest business blunder in history, having his Apple Lisa with windows and the mouse interface stolen by billgates.... Jobs should be the richest man in the world but mishandled his ideas (well, Xerox's ideas I suppose).

Anyway, maybe you need a different role model-like Bill Gates, or another business bastard like that to avoid getting stolen from again... just sayin :)
 
Crazy Doc;430967 said:
I guess there's an echo in here. Not sure why.
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you are kind of stretching your privileges here, if i were to talk to you like this i probably get banned, since when is freedom of speech negative, i love life, but not slavery, and the monetary system created hundreds of years ago did not change much and as people we should spread the word.

One cannot conquer or change but when the critical number of awareness reaches its peak, people get aware all over the globe and that is what the internet is giving us..

I for one Max have always put the topics like this to my friends and the guys over the net, i think this is important and clearly you are in some state of fear or troubles in life, nobody who is calm cannot just shoot out stuff like you.
Money is a big aspect of our lives, and without it, we act and think in the state of fear and disarray, if you did watch documentaries like zeitgeist and money as debt you would see the underlining evidence presented even in a court case, and you would at least open your mind to the possibility that the banks are employing a non productive lending scheme which in the end only makes more people in debt and miserable.
I am positive because i know we will in time break them!

Why is everyone attacking my dog alex78 for? He is just keeping it real and is being passionate about a topic that is very important in today's society
it is obvious to me the guy has a lot of street knowledge,But he is also just having a freedom of speech moment,So god damn let him speak.:)

Peace,
Super
 
Crazy Doc;430935 said:
Aiming, that really sucks. I've almost had friendships end over stolen ideas-nothing patentable, but simply someone claiming they thought of it first-makes me fly into a rage!
Also, I found it amusing that you mentioned "stevejobs rich" as a bencHydromaxark, since Mr. Jobs is likely to have committed the biggest business blunder in history, having his Apple Lisa with windows and the mouse interface stolen by billgates.... Jobs should be the richest man in the world but mishandled his ideas (well, Xerox's ideas I suppose).

Anyway, maybe you need a different role model-like Bill Gates, or another business bastard like that to avoid getting stolen from again... just sayin :)

Well you live and you learn. I still have a shitload of ideas but im gonna keep them for my self untill i have a big enough amount of money and connection to make life a living hell for anyone who steals my ideas. Been a soldier and done martial arts for 17 years. It was hard not to meet in person with the ceo of that company. You know at night at a dark parking place.
But it is just business. And now im going through with other ideas that doesn't aim for thrillions. But just millions besides this is way more fun. I get to talk with normal people. Whenever you go for the big buck all you meet is the lizard people ;)
 
Freedom to Fascism is also a informative documentary. In the words of George Carlin " Is it inconceivable to think that a bunch of rich people might actually get together and have a plannnn?"
It seems the British Monarchy is intent on reclaiming there colonies.
 
[video=youtube;6oP1Ke70Mi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oP1Ke70Mi8[/video]

I also think that the Powers that rule us are terrified of people finding out relative information. That includes Penis Enlargement... :)
 
My advice is to buy gold and silver with both hands as quickly as you can!
 
I think that there are many aspects to this thread title.

On the subject of being able to reach the top then i do actually think that both the USA and UK (possibly the two most capitalist major economies) do provide the environment where if you are opportunistic enough, you can reach the top of a company. Equally i think that both these countries (USA especially) also somewhat penalize those people that are not able to due to a lack of government sponsored training unless you are young or go down the university route. I am a keen believer of equal opportunity and while the rich do have a better starting position still, i think that in both countries you can become successful to the point of being a millionaire.

In regards to the larger scope then we have to look politically. As a young Conservative Party supporter in the UK i do have a leaning towards the free market however i believe that in reality we need adequate regulation to keep the economy stable and prevent a business dominance political model in some industries occurring. In the case of banking, this has occurred as evidenced by the lack of adequate reform to prevent another 'credit crunch'.

I actually think though that it is industry specific. While the majority of people in Saudi Arabia are very poor, they have got rich from using their own resources which are in demand (oil) and as such as long as basic needs are provided (shelter, food, water) then i do see that as a good enough starting point and hope that greater wider prosperity and even democracy will come later. I guess what i am saying is that i can justify morally why a developing economy making money from a resource can have a somewhat elitist system.

In regards to banking though i think that the industry has been allowed to become too dominant and believe that no business should be allowed to become 'too big to fail'. What is more, it is my belief that these business violate capitalism. I shall explain...

The economic system in the UK and USA developed like this.. Capitalism > Monetarism > Corporatism

Now, a clothes company for instance is a corporatist entity operating within the confines of monetarism.

A bank on the other hand is actually right now a monetary entity. These businesses are built around the supply of money and have been allowed to exist on the basis of a fractional reserve system. What is more, the 1986 (UK) and 1992 (USA) acts have allowed otherwise separate entities (retail and investment) to merge so that a bank can merely use the money in its retail bank to gamble in its investment wing.

As an advocate of the free market i do believe that business servicing the needs and wants of society is the most efficient way to manage the planets resources however when an investment bank does not have to hold any money at all because it can use the personal savings from it;s retail arm, i do honestly see that as a violation of capitalism. I believe that the essence of corporatism needs to be present on a much bigger scale to prevent banks trading completely money which does not exist.

It is not morally right that banks can make billions in profit while abusing the economic system. They must be put in check so that profit can be made from real money.
 
shortdick;605448 said:
Its the jews fault :cool: haha

That is a broad statement that includes many branches of peoples that have much different beliefs. Most people don't understand how broad the beliefs can be but I belong to a group called Jews for Jesus which hold the same views as Christians while I have spoken out against groups that are Zionist Jews.
 
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