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I'll answer this from my perspective only, and others will chime in. Girth routine after length makes life easier. You don't have to deal with a massive penis that can deflate on you after expansion. Why work on all the efforts of expanding and compress the penis down to the prior pumping condition? After pumping, the glans, or the entire penis, can get sensitive compared to length routines. But, if you can handle the penile enlarged state for length workout, there's no issue with it.


There is no really wrong way. You can do either length or girth first. Ultimately, it becomes the question of confortability when switching from one routine to the next. If you want scientific and medical side of it, it was answered in @kriskros post earlier. I can go even further into depth about it if you like if you see there's unclear answer. I can write a novel about it.


We can expand on the subject at length if you wish, down to the very molecular sciences. It might confuse the crap out of people if I start using complex terminologies and references. I can try to keep all of the info as simple as I can.


Yes, and no. When you stretch the tunica it's stretching the soft ligamentary strand that holds the penis length in place. When you bundled (twisting) and stretching, you are loosening the tissues that support girth. This is why bundling the stretches is critical for girth and not just length.


When pumping, the tissues that are influenced is the lateral tissues, mainly the softer tissues which compose the fascias (skin layers) and the corpus cavernosa (the blood chambers). Unfortunately, the amount of tunica softening or effective collagenic bond breakage is at best around 5%, UNLESS, and this is a huge UNLESS, your pumping is focus on length and not on girth base. Unfortunately, the pumping for length only as effective as the pre-stretch routines to break the tough tunica tissues. That exceeds the 15inHg pressure zone. This goes into the Phalback 40inHg to 60inHg zone, which is quite dangerous.


You are not a newbie if you are this deep in your thoughts. You are thinking like an intermediate PE-er. Great job.


We have been trying to find this universal approach for all brothers with all different preconditions. Unfortunately, there is no such universal way. There's only a commonality of approaches, which is the SRT and 5x5x3 as baselines, but then we tweak the routines to fit each individual to maximize the returns for the efforts. This is the key to each and every personalized routine to optimize individual progresses.

For brothers that have discussed this either in the forum or privately with the coach(es)/adisor(s) in the past and even in the current days, they can chime in and give you an earful or eyeful about constantly optimizing the routines for the most efficient and fastest returns.

Thanks @oldandlively that was a very well constructed and useful answer to my questions. Your responses are absolutely invaluable Sir..

Today I used the Bathmate in the shower early morning, then I used a cock ring for 30 mins. Afterwards I used the Lengthmaster for around 15 mins to do some light to medium stretches as I've not yet got into a proper stretching routine yet as was still messing about to get my wrapping perfected.

After I finished with the stretching I lightly re wrapped to keep the penis in the elongated state for a number of hours.

It got me thinking that I was losing the pump that I had on my flaccid after doing the stretches and then wrapping so I am going to change it up to stretching then pumping and see how this feels for me.

As you said there is no right or wrong way different brothers will have their own preference in which order they do their PE.

I struggle to hold an erection for 5 mins while doing PE I feel when I am doing the SSJ I am deflating my penis.

I am looking to get all day stretcher so I can keep a constant tension on the Penis for an extended period during the day. What stretchers would you recommend from your experience? As in comfort and results you have seen or heard of...
 
Thanks @oldandlively that was a very well constructed and useful answer to my questions. Your responses are absolutely invaluable Sir..
The problem with brotherhoods nowadays is the lack of information, or rather too much information with too ambiguous detail. If the veterans can provide clearer info, things would be much better in the PE world. However, too much pride and too much secrets being held back and that cause a stagnant on the PE golden age from blossoming. The info is only as good as the people provide them. The answer should be clear and concise so we can all get to the roots of the problem.

I struggle to hold an erection for 5 mins while doing PE I feel when I am doing the SSJ I am deflating my penis.
Don't worry. Each of us find different solutions for our issues. Even the most fertile and horniest brothers may not last past 3 minutes without stimulation. When you're younger, as your hormones surge, you can get erected just by the mention of woman's name. Now, due to adult entertainment saturation, PIED becomes a major problem. You're in good company so no worries there.

I am looking to get all day stretcher so I can keep a constant tension on the Penis for an extended period during the day. What stretchers would you recommend from your experience? As in comfort and results you have seen or heard of...
There is no one extender that will be the ultimate device to go to. I've tried a majority of them, from noose-strap types to vacuum cup type. Everyone of them have positives and negatives. What truly boils down is the comfort level. All extender system will use your glans as a traction point.

The noose-strap type will use the base of the glans to pull. The pressure around the base of the glans can be quite..painful after a few hours. However, with proper wrapping from the base of the glans to around 6cm below the base, you can find a great comfort zone. Some brothers don't have that much length to use, so the noose-strap type is a bit of a challenge.

The opposite is is the vacuum cup. The vacuum cup can be MUCH MUCH more comfortable than the noose-strap type. HOWEVER, be warned. The vacuum cup can be costly for the long run since you have to replace components all the time, such as the sleeves. The vacuum places quite bit of burden on the glans under pressure. If you accidentally place too much vacuum pressure and the penis is under tension, the pressure can far exceed your glans's capacity to handle and you'll get blister. Very big blister.

So, my suggestion is to research on the extender that has both the noose-strap type, with long glans support platform (the white piece where the rods connect to for your penis), and the vacuum cup comfort add-on. This will be based on your budget. All extender makers follows the same rule of designs. This includes the MoS Shop extender system, the Size Genetic, or even the PhalloSan. The generic systems also have them as well. Look around for the system that best suite your needs, including the availability in your region, and doesn't break your bank account. I'm currently using a JES Extender, modified for comforts, and SiliStretcher to strap onto the JES system. My JES system is 12 years old. The design hasn't change much, beside for the vacuum cup and the opening around the base for quick slide on and off. I only wear my JES extender at home since it's quite bulky. I wear my SiliStretcher on the run. My posts are all over the place on the usage of the SiliStretcher, and provided insights on other brothers' Routine and Progress pages as well. You have to try them all to truly know what the devices are about, if you have the budget for it.
 
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