Silistretcher vs Stealth Stretcher?

thedudefather said:
It's funny you mention doing lm before pumping. I had an idea about a routine and would actually love your input:

30-40 mins of lengthmaster in the morning and length pumping at night. I'd be doing it every other day because I've noticed I'm still pretty engorged the morning after pumping.
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That's not a bad approach. Keep your length gently wrapped up to prevent turtling, or even better yet, use ADS to cement your gain faster, and pump at night to allow the resting phase to heal both length and girth. This is where you need to test which works best. Testing approaches is the best way to see if you can fool the body and mind to prevent them from adapting too rapidly and continue to get the gains you need.
 
oldandlively said:
That's not a bad approach. Keep your length gently wrapped up to prevent turtling, or even better yet, use ADS to cement your gain faster, and pump at night to allow the resting phase to heal both length and girth. This is where you need to test which works best. Testing approaches is the best way to see if you can fool the body and mind to prevent them from adapting too rapidly and continue to get the gains you need.
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I have a silisleeve2 that's perfect for post pump/cock ring. Allows me to stay engorged while keeping me extended.
 
thedudefather said:
@oldandlively you mentioned something about using the lengthmaster directly before going into the mityvac and seeing some increased expansion. In your experience, would that be as effective as doing them separately?
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Yes, it can be separated or both in tandem to obtain the similar effectiveness. However, you see greater greater expansion going from one to another by at least 25% compared to allowing the tissues time to retract/cool down. I'll break it down:

LM + MityVac, the duo routine:
Since you already stretched and warm the tissues to the optimal conditions through elongation processes, you already completed the first part of the leg work for elongation within the SSJ routine. SSJ is not about expansion, but if you look zoom in at the microscopic level, you're expanding and elongating at the same as you twist and bend the tissues. That's what you've done through the LM, 20 full minutes of it. You maxed out the elongation process to the best that you can.

Don't do the SSJ, but go straight to pumping. Take advantage of the warmed tissues for ballooning purposes.

As you jump into the MityVac routine, the elongation process already maxed out, you're pushing the SSJ to take advantage of the elongation to also max out the expansion. Think of the balloon. You stretch long to create micro tears and soften the ballon walls to expand without surface imperfection or stresses as you add air volume.

Once you pump, further warming and optimizing your tissues for expansion, go into SSJ. What LM cannot create in terms of micro tears through twisting, stretching, and bending, SSJ will further supplement that through partial expansion and and contortion processes. It's like popping the last kernel of popcorns that refused to be popped in the microwaves.

LM + MityVac routines in progression exhaust your tissues and collagen bonds to an extreme level. If you think about it, that's roughly a full hour of continuous stressor routines. If your penile tissues can handle even more, you can crank it up to 2 hours worth. This is not including the post-workout routines such as cock ring, red light, then kiss and tender massages. In reality, 2 hours is more than enough to do all this work.

LM, cool down time with wraps/ADS, then MityVac:
If you use the LM routine, wraps up to prevent turtling, you still lose about 10% at minimum to 40% as the tissues cooled down, where cells and collagen bonds repair themselves. If you have to max out your tissue to be stressed to achieve the potiential growth, you have to go further with intensity to obtain that potential in the duo routines. The cool down period forces you to prime your tissues again to break down more collagen bonds, more cells, and further stress your tissues later down the road. You do get the benefits of new cells being broken down and more gaps to fill, but tissues are not as primed as when they came out of the LM routines. Your fatigue may not be as intensified as the duo routines. The more the tissues feel fatigue, the more resources the body will divert to maximize the healing processes.

Is one worth more than the other?
Yes, in term of the continuous stressor and fatigue achievement. No, if you don't have time and need to space them out. Either process will provide you the equivalent gains at the end of the day. This is what I observed in the past 1 month:

I measured the penis using the cylinder itself. I didn't bother to use the ruler since the cylinder acts as my ruler.

ADS (5lbs initial hour and 2.5lbs for the remainder) for 8 hours and then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:
  • Length coming out of cylinder: 6.65in from 6.45in
  • Girth in the 2in cylinder: 90% filled, coming out of cylinder 70%, lasting up to 9 hours.
LM at 5lbs force traction, ADS for 8 hours and then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:
  • Length coming out of cylinder: 6.75in from 6.45in
  • Girth in the 2in cylinder: 90% filled, coming out of cylinder 70%, lasting up to 9 hours.
LM for 20 minutes with dynamic intensity from 5lbs to 7lbs, then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:
  • Length coming out of cylinder: 7.15in from 6.45in
  • Girth in the 2in cylinder: 95% filled, coming out of cylinder ~80%, lasting up to 8 hours.
LM for 40 minutes with dynamic intensity between 5lbs to 7lbs, then up to 10lbs for the last 10 minutes, then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:
  • Length coming out of cylinder: 7.25in and at times, 7.5in. Length remain at 7in for 5 hours with some retraction when removed from wrapping/ADS.
  • Girth in 2in cylinder: 95% filled, and at times 100% nice and tight, coming out of cylinder 90% (wife loves this one). After 5 hours, it's around 80% and remain for the next 5 hours.
** LM dynamic traction up to 15lbs was tested but not recorded. It was to see how much I could handle in the first 30 seconds.

So, tissue pliability for devopment is phenomenal in a duo-routine. When I do too many days in a row and hit extreme fatigues, I cannot get the same results for LM (40 minutes) + vacuum cylinder (3x3x7). This is when I schedule a day rest. Give it a try and experience it for yourself.
 
Hey @oldandlively I got an email about this thing. In your experience, would something like this actually work like it claims?

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thedudefather said:
Hey @oldandlively I got an email about this thing. In your experience, would something like this actually work like it claims?

[Link removed. URL to other pay sites are not allowed].
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I'll break it down for you, which is directly from their sale slogan and based on scientific evidence. Here's the device:
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The Mag-Volt device creates a deep magnetic field with a mild galvanic current of up to 1.10-volts. This improves metabolic function for accelerated healing, increased testosterone production and greater flaccid size. The zinc metal supports enzymes that regulate cell division, growth and wound healing. Copper plays an important role in making red blood cells, forming collagen, and protecting cells from damage. While silver acts as a powerful antimicrobial agent, while also promoting healing, regulation of internal heat and blood flow.

For those who don't understand the scientific information, I'll break it down.
Deep magnetic field with a mild galvanic current of up to 1.10-volts
Our entire body is full of magnetic fields, and we're exposed to magnetic fields every nanosecond of the day. Your watch, your phone, your earbuds, everything around you has a current and a magnetic field. Galvanic current is an electric current stimulator, similar to the TENS electrodes for your muscles and nerves, but it's generated across your skin and affecting down to roughly 8mm deep. Your penis is not just 8mm deep. Most penis is 15mm deep to meet the center of the penis, or 1.5cm (roughly 0.6in). This is an average circumference of 10cm, or 4in. Keep that in mind for the time being.

Now, you have 4 primarily magnets, 2 at the top, 2 at the side, and just ignore the copper piece at the bottom. In order to maximize the healing potential from cellular regeneration through multi-cellular regeneration, you need an "active" current at all time, covering every last millimeter of your penis from the tip of the glans to the base of your penis. The flaw, as you can just already see, has no active current, and on top of that, it's limited to a magnetic field no greater than 3 times the length and width of the magnets. Let's say it's a spheroid field of affects. You're lucky if you can get more than 1 inch spheroid field of functionality. What happen to the remaining areas of coverage? Most penises are not 1 to 2 inches long. By the way, this is an attempt to duplicate energized jade balls used by the Asian countries, claiming there's capacity to heal. There's some slight truth to it. To to heal, you have to wear it all day long, and cover your entire body with the jade balls, and the areas of affects is less than 10mm deep.

"..improves metabolic function for accelerated healing, increased testosterone production and greater flaccid size.."
Yes, this is true, but once again, it must be constantly active with electrical charges. If you look at the clinics that use the galvanic current equipment, it's for epidermal to dermal induction. To accelerate the metabolic healing, you have to influence the entire area, including your organs responsible to generate hormones that accelerate your metabolic rate. This means the entire body series of organs, ranging from gut, liver, adipose tissues, pancreas, kidney, dense muscles, and thyroid, just to name a few. Your penis does not have dense muscle tissues, which contradicts the necessary metabolic enhancement requirements. As you can see, the statement already has two direct flaws. But then, increase testosterone via cellular enthalpy? HUH?! If that's the case, we wouldn't be popping pills and doing testosterone therapy treatments. We'll be just wearing these incredible devices throughout our entire body. Then the greater flaccid size? How? If it acts like a cock ring, sure. It doesn't. It doesn't even conform to constrictive design. How can it acts like a cock ring. There's insufficient amount of active electrical current to relax the nerves, or even blocks the nerves from sending signals back to the brain, in order to induce flaccid state. Let's say it does work, what you have as flaccid without PE is your maximum flaccid length. There's is no "greater flaccid size" unless you constrict the amount of blood in your penis, such as a cock ring.

The zinc metal supports enzymes that regulate cell division, growth and wound healing. Copper plays an important role in making red blood cells, forming collagen, and protecting cells from damage. While silver acts as a powerful antimicrobial agent, while also promoting healing, regulation of internal heat and blood flow.
Zinc and copper will help you as noted, but both have to be internal and not external. Your body don't just absorb the zinc plating and copper from outside, unless the copper is truly in liquid form. Copper touching your skin is great in killing the bacteria for a full penny size diameter for that bottom piece, but that's pretty much it. Same for silver. But how the hell does it hope to heal and regulate internal function when it sits outside looking pretty?

I'm sorry, but this is snake oil straight out from "Shut up and pay me" sale tactics. It's like "breast enhance cream guarantee you to make you grow from A size to C size". My colleagues are cracking up with me right now over the phone.

For those who like to read up on magnetic and electro-stimulation for ED and penile enhancement, you might like to read up on these:


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oldandlively said:
It's not spam, rather, the manufacturer's promotion of the newest and latest products. Something like Bathmate SuperXtreme, PeniMaster Ultra Deluxe, or $20k machine. It's about the discussion of the products and the realistic expectation behind the product.
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Clearifying:
I know this is outside the scope of this thread, but I felt this was important to emphasize and explain again.

It has to do with how Google BOTS and other search engine bots are crawling the website. We want all links preferably to be within the mattersofsize.com domain (also: shop.mattersofsize.com) to not risking being pushed down on the search reasults on the biggest search engines.

This is also the reason we have been hiding/removing and censored adult entertainment - related content within this forum software. We don't want to be categorized as a adult entertainment site.

With this said above.
It is important to keep discussing and understand everything related to penis enlargement. @oldandlively your posts are so helpful and very beneficial to this brotherhood. I know for sure that without your help, I would never have been gaining as fast as I did in girth, with my water pumping with MityVac Hydro-Vac Penis Pump.

Other devices and technics that exists outside of mattersofsize.com will be discussed, and that is very good and important for the expansion and development of this brotherhood. But please try your best to limit URL's to other pay sites on the internet.

Maybe instead add a picure (if the picture are free to be shared) and some information in how to find it, if it's necessarily needed, otherwise concepts can be discussed.

I'm NOT here to be a bad guy or a control freak, my purpose here is to make sure this brotherhood keeps growing, and that we don't get pushed down on the list on the search results on the biggest search engines. This is very important and all the other "big" penis enlargement forums are doing the same thing. I have been lurking on these sites in order to learn how they think.

I know the amount of traffic is a big part as well, but the search engine bots are still a major factor to control how people are finding us (mattersofsize.com) through the Internet/all the search engines, but also how the search engines are connecting key words to this site. I'm no expert jet on this topic, but what we have done for the past ~1.5 years since I got here have really helped us with Google (most people use Google).

I hope you understand my friend
Take care and grow big.
 
No worries brother. You keep everything in check and that is truly needed. It's truly a fine line of production discussion versus paid site links as they also contain relevant info, such as comparative study data and reality fact checks. I like to grab their slogans and data for the moment in time as evidence.
 
@squirt_inducer_man I only posted because I was curious about what people thought. I said I'll mark it as spam as a way to not receive those emails again. I'm neither promoting nor selling anything. Personally I don't buy anything other than what MOS has because I know it's quality and it works.
 
oldandlively said:
No worries brother. You keep everything in check and that is truly needed. It's truly a fine line of production discussion versus paid site links as they also contain relevant info, such as comparative study data and reality fact checks. I like to grab their slogans and data for the moment in time as evidence.
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You are correct there is a fine line.
But search engine bots are the main reason for not having external links to pay sites.
 
thedudefather said:
Would you say shorter intervals are better? Or would having more time under pressure be best for gains?
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I always stick to 5 minutes inside the penis cylinder. No more or no less. 5 minutes is what I got to work with. More time during vaccum pressure inside the Acrylic cylinder will not give me more gains, only more fluid retention.

I can explain how I approach my routines.
During those 5 minutes I first increase the pressure to 10 in.Hg (my lowest level) and after some time, maybe 2 minutes I go up to 12 in.Hg. Here I am for ~2 minutes and then I go back to 10 in.Hg the rest of the time I have left.
I always use a timer. I was even at 15 in.Hg but it's to high. Will not go there again.

The key is to go back abd forth between your lower limit and your upper limit and in that way tug abd stretch out your tissue. Over stretch a little bit with high vaccum pressure, and then go back down again.

I do this technique above in order to tug at the tunica albigunea at it's expanded limit.

You can even use this technique above and use one tight and one wide Acrylic cylinder. On the first set you can use a tight cylinder, the second the wide cylinder and on the third; either the tight or the wide cylinder. I also did this with Bathmate and it worked.

The narrow cylinder will force high internal pressure in your penis and the wide cylinder will force extreme expansion. I don't exactly know why it works but for me these techniques worked.

Try it if you have not done this. 🙂
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
I always stick to 5 minutes inside the penis cylinder. No more or no less. 5 minutes is what I got to work with. More time during vaccum pressure inside the Acrylic cylinder will not give me more gains, only more fluid retention.

I can explain how I approach my routines.
During those 5 minutes I first increase the pressure to 10 in.Hg (my lowest level) and after some time, maybe 2 minutes I go up to 12 in.Hg. Here I am for ~2 minutes and then I go back to 10 in.Hg the rest of the time I have left.
I always use a timer. I was even at 15 in.Hg but it's to high. Will not go there again.

The key is to go back abd forth between your lower limit and your upper limit and in that way tug abd stretch out your tissue. Over stretch a little bit with high vaccum pressure, and then go back down again.

I do this technique above in order to tug at the tunica albigunea at it's expanded limit.

You can even use this technique above and use one tight and one wide Acrylic cylinder. On the first set you can use a tight cylinder, the second the wide cylinder and on the third; either the tight or the wide cylinder. I also did this with Bathmate and it worked.

The narrow cylinder will force high internal pressure in your penis and the wide cylinder will force extreme expansion. I don't exactly know why it works but for me these techniques worked.

Try it if you have not done this. 🙂
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I've been going like this when pumping:

5hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min in my 1.75" tube.

6hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min in 1.5" tune

7hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11 hg 1 min in 1.5" tube
 
thedudefather said:
I've been going like this when pumping:

5hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min in my 1.75" tube.

6hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min in 1.5" tune

7hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11 hg 1 min in 1.5" tube
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Okay interesting.
You are using air pumping?

As long as you create maximum expansion after session.
 
thedudefather said:
Maybe @huge-girth @DLD or @oldandlively have any advice on my routine?
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As brother huge-girth indicated, just follow the fundamental 5x5x3. You have an existing dynamic routine for your air, and as brother SIM pointed out, "As long as you create maximum expansion after session." Optimization through efficient pumping is the key. If your air routine you're using is creating that good expansion each and every time, stick with it. If not, modify the routine a bit. At each growth phase, your internal tissues grow differently. We can give you as many routines as you want, but you know your penis best during the phases. Report the changes to us, and we can only provide advices.

Here's an example. Let's just grab your latest routine, but there are missing gap info that needs to be filled:
  • What is the lower pressure baseline?
  • What is the moderate pressure baseline, where you feel that achy pull throughout the penis while getting that extreme expansion during pumping while having a full strong erection?
  • What is the upper pressure baseline where you are getting that initial tingling pain from over expansion?
Say, your lower limit is 5inHg, your moderate pressure is 8inHg, and your upper limit is 10inhg. From what I'm seeing, that's one heck of a spread. At this point, 5inHg is your "warmup" pressure to flex your internal tissues. However, check again on the moderate pressure. It may have already risen to 9inHg, and your upper may be 10inHg or even 11inHg. You have to search for it. Make sure to create that log page for yourself so we can follow.

Your routine:
5hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min, 7hg for 1 min, 9hg for 1 min in my 1.75" tube.
6hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min, 8hg 1 min, 10hg 1 min in 1.5" tune
7hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11hg 1 min, 9 hg 1 min, 11 hg 1 min in 1.5" tube

In my perspectives, start with 1.5in cylinder to contain your expansion while maintain rigidity, and perform the latter expansion in the larger
cylinder later. This is the testing phase:
X = moderate pressure
Y = upper pressure
Z = creeping pressure by 0.5inHg.

Using 1.5in cylinder:
1st set of 5 inHg for 1 min for tissue warming in the safe zone and optimization zone, X inHg for 2 min to forcing the tissues into the expansion phase, Y inhg for 1 min to maximize the expansion phase, X inhg for 1 min.

SSJ to prevent edema.

2nd set of 7 inHg for 1 min for tissue optimization, Y inHg for 2 min to forcing the tissues into the expansion phase, Z inhg for 15 second to further expand through optimization phase and drop down to Y inHg for 45 seconds, and back to Z inHg for 15 seconds, and then back down to Y inHg for 45 seconds.

SSJ to prevent edema.

Using the 1.75in cylinder:
Follow the same process as the 2nd set for the 1.5in cylinder for your 3rd set, or even 4th set.

Do a comparative analysis to see if your expansion is better with your current routine or this experimental routine.
 
thedudefather said:
Would wearing a sleeve and a cock ring after length pumping be too much constriction?
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Nope. I wouldn't wear a sleeve since the cock ring provides both length and girth gap creation during healing. When you take the cock ring off, you can put on the sleeve.

I tend to wear the sleeve and the cock ring when I work on my glans for a short period of time. Sleeve maintain the flaccid state healing. Cock ring maintain restrictive blood flow where the sleeve does not cover. If you use a small sleeve that does cause heavy restrictive flow, and then a smaller cock ring on top of that, then it "may" become constrictive, which is a big no no.
 
oldandlively said:
Nope. I wouldn't wear a sleeve since the cock ring provides both length and girth gap creation during healing. When you take the cock ring off, you can put on the sleeve.

I tend to wear the sleeve and the cock ring when I work on my glans for a short period of time. Sleeve maintain the flaccid state healing. Cock ring maintain restrictive blood flow where the sleeve does not cover. If you use a small sleeve that does cause heavy restrictive flow, and then a smaller cock ring on top of that, then it "may" become constrictive, which is a big no no.
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Understood. I was also curious about one more thing : if I purchased a silistretcher, would wearing that after I've taken off my cock ring be beneficial?
 
thedudefather said:
Understood. I was also curious about one more thing : if I purchased a silistretcher, would wearing that after I've taken off my cock ring be beneficial?
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Big time. If it's not too uncomfortable during hot days, it will be very beneficial to keep the penis elongated under tension as long as possible. This is your faster gains under tension while your tissues are still primed. Brother SIM is a great example of using LM followed by wrapping all day. This is time under tension to keep tissues elongated. Just a warning, be wraps or all day stretcher (ADS), people around you will do triple takes at your crotch. If you are the easily embarrassed type, be ready for some grinning and lews awakening from the ladies.
 
oldandlively said:
Big time. If it's not too uncomfortable during hot days, it will be very beneficial to keep the penis elongated under tension as long as possible. This is your faster gains under tension while your tissues are still primed. Brother SIM is a great example of using LM followed by wrapping all day. This is time under tension to keep tissues elongated. Just a warning, be wraps or all day stretcher (ADS), people around you will do triple takes at your crotch. If you are the easily embarrassed type, be ready for some grinning and lews awakening from the ladies.
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So if I did a length pumping session in the morning, wearing a silistretcher after would be a big boost?
 
oldandlively said:
Nope. I wouldn't wear a sleeve since the cock ring provides both length and girth gap creation during healing. When you take the cock ring off, you can put on the sleeve.

I tend to wear the sleeve and the cock ring when I work on my glans for a short period of time. Sleeve maintain the flaccid state healing. Cock ring maintain restrictive blood flow where the sleeve does not cover. If you use a small sleeve that does cause heavy restrictive flow, and then a smaller cock ring on top of that, then it "may" become constrictive, which is a big no no.
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Smart way forward. A great progression of healing
 
thedudefather said:
Haha I meant game over as in no more messing around. I've been amateur too long and ready to go pro.
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When you grab the SiliStretcher, make sure to have the 3 cups. Otherwise, you'll do a head banging when you suddenly out grow one and not having the next cup size. I can't believe I outgrown the 1.5 faster than predicted. Wish there is a 1.75in in the future packages (@DLD). Good to have transitional sizes to prevent blistering due to frictional rubbing. Working on a mold right now to combat that issue. It may be a new product for the days to come.
 
oldandlively said:
When you grab the SiliStretcher, make sure to have the 3 cups. Otherwise, you'll do a head banging when you suddenly out grow one and not having the next cup size. I can't believe I outgrown the 1.5 faster than predicted. Wish there is a 1.75in in the future packages (@DLD). Good to have transitional sizes to prevent blistering due to frictional rubbing. Working on a mold right now to combat that issue. It may be a new product for the days to come.
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I plan on getting the triple package for sure.
 
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