Should I whack this guy?

[nobody]

Okay here's the situation. As any who have read my previous posts/threads are probably aware I'm a pretty personable guy and get along with just about anybody. I don't prejudge people or expect them to be perfect. I am always more than willing to help just about anybody. For me it feels good to know that people can depend on me whether they know me or if we just met. I have a very positive and honest energy. Most people pick up on this almost immediately so like I said i get along with just about anybody.

There's a flipside to this. If you cross me or I catch you up to no good I'll cut you off at the fuckin' knees smooth as sin. I've mentioned before that I have a rather sordid past. I've swam in some pretty dark waters and been in numerous life threatening situations. Some people are just born with a certain survivor or "alpha" type persona and for some reason precise and controlled violence is second nature to them. I fall in this category. It is what made me excel while in the military and let me hone these skills to an even finer edge. I want to make something absolutely clear. I do not like to hurt people. I like to deal with negative situations as diplomatically as possible but sometimes diplomacy fails. Sometimes violence is the only viable option.

Case in point. I have been with a new employer for around two years now. I actually have several bosses. One of them was demoted and I was to find out later that he actually never held any legitimate position of authority with the company in the first place. His presnce is merely tolerated because he is related to the owners. He is extremely immature, hostile, disruptive and constantly causing headaches for everyone. He and I butted heads on my very first day. He is one of those types who thinks he treat anybody like shit and likes to intimidate people. I not having that shit and I've warned him and my bosses that sooner or later if he keeps this shit up there will be retribution. This guy has drug habit, is a convicted felon, is presently facing numerous felony charges, and is a known mob associate.

He has interferred in my work repeatedly and has cost me money and blemished my reputation in our circles. You don't fuck with a man's money especially if that man is me. I stopped by one of my offices yesterday and was once again relating all this to another co-worker bringing him up to speed on the latest incidents. As I'm talking the asshole himself walks in. The entire office grew immediately silent and I turned to face him. I didn't know if he had heard me or not and didn't really give a fuck. I lit right into him and basically told him that the shit had hit the fan and I wasn't going to tolerate him meddling in my affairs any longer. Period. He has never been talked to like this, especially infront of other people he knows. He had lost face bigtime. He didn't know what to say for a moment and then said, " You had better chill the fuck out before I put you through that window", pointing behind me. This office is in a business highrise. I had been sitting down at the time and popped out of the chair and was in his face in heartbeat saying with a threatening smile across my face, " You want a piece of me, I'm right here." He tried to act all bad ass but then ended up backing down. Another co-worker tried to get us to chill. When I left the office you could have cut the tension with a knife. I let this piece of shit know that it wasn't over.

Here's the thing. This guy's the typical bully but pussy when confronted by an equal or superior. He's the type that backs down when he knows he is out gunned but will try to ambush his nemisis later from the shadows or send some of his goons to do his dirty work for him. I have no fear of this man whatsoever. If he or anybody else tries to pop me they'll end up the ones meeting their ancestors, not me. What I do have fear of is the threat to the safety of my family and home. I know he wouldn't dare threatened either on purpose directly, it's the crossfire I'm worried about. My plan at this point is to just document this with the local police and in turn seek legal representation to to bar him from coming near my family, home, or property. I only wish to do all this because I know how these type of situations play out. I need to document this to protect my legal position for when this fuck forces my hand.

I didn't create this situation, I'm just dealing with it. I would appreciate some feedback. This a serious situation so please only repond with serious advice and or observations. Thanks.

 

[yetogrow]

Be smart. He's got the money, he's got good connections.
I don't know the whole story but I would wait a while to see what's going on. Maybe try to find some enemies of him ? Maybe work on his drug addiction.

 

[nobody]

Be smart. He's got the money, he's got good connections.
I don't know the whole story but I would wait a while to see what's going on. Maybe try to find some enemies of him ? Maybe work on his drug addiction.

That's just it, he doesn't have the money. Other's run the business, not him. He just gets comes around for his tribute. I have a strong reputation as a consumate professional and the bosses know I am not the trouble maker in the situation. He's burned a lot of bridges and there are many who would like to see him taken out just as much as I would. Thanks for you input though.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Okay. Well I'm really glad to be able to offer some help to you now for what you've been doing for me.

This situation STINKS, I know where your comming from as I've been in a similer position albeit in another career with different things going on.

You must not act yet. I feel that you are on the right path, get it logged with the Police ... tell them about the threat in the office where he'd knock out the window, if you can get a witness to back that up ... its a threat and it'll be logged for the future.

Right. With that done I now feel that you should do some undercover work on this guy. I dont know your connections or what/whom you know if anyone but try to have this guy WATCHED for around 2-4 weeks, get his habits down to a tee and know whats what with him. Either do this yourself or get someone to do it for you who is DEAR to you and means something to do, a good close freind or older brother would be ideal.

Than keep check of the situation, keep watching what happens and be alert. If anything else needs logging than do it. Keep notes of what this wanker says, acts and does to you and even others around you for later reference.

Keep cool and calm, and dont go mad unless it really warrants it ... try to walk away if he starts bullshit, belive me it sends a POWERFUL message home that hes a worhless piece of shit that you aint wasting time with until or whenever you see fit ... it isnt being weak and you will find it very hard to walk away if he mouths off again as your a military guy like allot in my family but think about LONG TERM and what others see ..... everyone in that office is a potential witness and gossip so ACT CAREFULLY and THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.

Once you've got all your info on him, such as his route home and stuff like that and he's still being a twat after 2-4 weeks than its TIME.

Simply get yourself a close freind or family member such as brother ... this is just backup and than get this man ... get him ALONE in the dark and really hurt him, makesure he knows and that he wont do it again, sometimes its the onlyway sadly, but its the LAST RESORT and you must MUST not loose your rag infront of anyone in the office enviroment from now on because when and if people get asked questions by anyone or gossip about stuff, and the bad blood than they cannot call you ... they will call that wanker because hes the one with the negative energy so when you do get him one dark night no one will be saying 'well he was in his face' they will say 'he walked away' its much better and looks better in the eyes of the law and your reputation wont get damaged by branding you as a slight thug or nasty piece of work which some might say but fuck them all.


Tell me how it all goes mate ... PM me if you like. Be careful, think all the time for the future ... its a big tactic.

At the moment I'm in a slight similer position, the guy at work who fancies the woman who I talk to you about ... well I have often thought about getting him alone and draggin him into one of the empty toilets and telling him to keep the fuck away or loose his knee caps .... but for now I keep calm and buy my time, until oneday he goes too far and I will be left no choice.

NO ONE in the building knows I feel like this. I show no anger to him infront of people thought they know he and I dont see eye to eye, but dunno why. I've covered my back with my collegues so once he steps outta line with me about this girl I will get him.

 

[nobody]

Thanks Red. I am going to go to the local pd tomorrow and make an official report. I don't really have anyone here I can trust to assist me with this fuck and if I did I am not sure I would want to involve them. This is my fight. You're right about keeping my cool from now on, will do. I have a feeling there is going to be a sit down about all this and most likely this fuck is going to be exiled even further. That will really piss him off and just add fuel to fire and he will be looking for payback. That's fine with me and I will be waiting. I am just concerned for my family and home. Not to mention the fact that when this guy is allowed access to my client's he fucks with my livelyhood (sp?). If anyone has ever seen the movie "Carlito's Way" there is a scene in the beginning where he gets in some deep shit because one of his cousins or something. He ends up in a life or death situation and is narrating in the backgound, "I don't ask for this shit, it just comes to me." That is my life personified.?

 

[REDZULU2003]

Yeah. Keep positive and remember he will not keep it up. He will fall and when he does makesure he finds it hard to get back up.

Also, did my PM get you? I seem to be having problems sending them at the moment...give me a whistle if it didnt make it.

 

[nobody]

I got both your most recent pm's including the update you added in. I will do my best to get back to you tonight when I get back in. That way I'll have time to read over them in detail again and respond accordingly. I'll be implimenting some of that advice (your situation) myself tonight so wish me luck. "I'm back in the saddle again!"-Aerosmith.rofl

 

[REDZULU2003]

Goodluck mate and thank you.

 

[TomdW]

This thread has been an excellent and probably quite widely useful read. Nobody. It seems to me that you are doing the right thing in your situation. You are staying calm and collected without showing any signs of weakness. That is all very important.

Red. You made some really good points there. I had a situation a while ago that was along these lines. If I ever have this kind of thing happen to me again I'll be putting some of your advice into practice. Cheers.

 

[Baraka]

Let me just say that I know what you're going through- and I know exactly how to deal with it. I've dealt with these types of people (paranoids, power players, sadists, sociopaths, psycho fucks, etc.) on many occasions in the past and have come out unscathed every time (knock wood). I'm gonna ask you a few questions and suggest a few things below.

Case in point. I have been with a new employer for around two years now. I actually have several bosses. One of them was demoted and I was to find out later that he actually never held any legitimate position of authority with the company in the first place.

Who was he demoted by? What was/were the reason(s) for his demotion? Could that be used against him now and in the future? Can you secretly ally with whoever demoted him?

His presnce is merely tolerated because he is related to the owners. He is extremely immature, hostile, disruptive and constantly causing headaches for everyone. He and I butted heads on my very first day. He is one of those types who thinks he treat anybody like shit and likes to intimidate people. I not having that shit and I've warned him and my bosses that sooner or later if he keeps this shit up there will be retribution. This guy has drug habit, is a convicted felon, is presently facing numerous felony charges, and is a known mob associate.

Sorry to say, but this makes little sense. That is, if the situation is really the way you say it is. If he's such a fuckin liability to your employers, then why is he still around?? Could it be because of his mob connections? Better yet, ask yourself: what are your employers gaining by keeping this fuck on the payroll? Because I can guarantee you that they're gaining something, and judging how much of a spectacular prick he is, it must be something of some real value. Maybe he conducts "independent" illegal activities on behalf of your employer? That way the principals could keep their hands clean. Anyway, I know there's a lot more to this than what you've said so far. You may not even be aware of it. I know I'm right because if I wasn't, this guy would be a distant memory by now.

He has interferred in my work repeatedly and has cost me money and blemished my reputation in our circles. You don't fuck with a man's money especially if that man is me. I stopped by one of my offices yesterday and was once again relating all this to another co-worker bringing him up to speed on the latest incidents. As I'm talking the asshole himself walks in. The entire office grew immediately silent and I turned to face him. I didn't know if he had heard me or not and didn't really give a fuck. I lit right into him and basically told him that the shit had hit the fan and I wasn't going to tolerate him meddling in my affairs any longer. Period. He has never been talked to like this, especially infront of other people he knows. He had lost face bigtime. He didn't know what to say for a moment and then said, " You had better chill the fuck out before I put you through that window", pointing behind me. This office is in a business highrise. I had been sitting down at the time and popped out of the chair and was in his face in heartbeat saying with a threatening smile across my face, " You want a piece of me, I'm right here." He tried to act all bad ass but then ended up backing down. Another co-worker tried to get us to chill. When I left the office you could have cut the tension with a knife. I let this piece of shit know that it wasn't over.

Fucking excellent, excellent, excellent! So long as you kept your cool the whole time during your confrontation and didn't blow up at him, you took the best action possible. So far, so good, in terms of standing up to him, while making him look bad and yourself look good. If I knew you outside of these boards, I'd make sure that we celebrated this bigtime.

Here's the thing. This guy's the typical bully but pussy when confronted by an equal or superior. He's the type that backs down when he knows he is out gunned but will try to ambush his nemisis later from the shadows or send some of his goons to do his dirty work for him.

Who are these "goons" you're talkin about? How many are there? How much clout do they have? Do they answer to anyone and, if they do, to who? This is your whole problem, isn't it? He has goons to back him and you don't. He works in the shadows and you don't. If you don't start playing his game soon, he'll eventually getcha because he's quite a bit better armed than you are.

I have no fear of this man whatsoever. If he or anybody else tries to pop me they'll end up the ones meeting their ancestors, not me. What I do have fear of is the threat to the safety of my family and home.

Yes, exactly. That's how most of these fuckheads operate. They'll never go after you directly, preferring instead to go after someone, or something, you love. The way I see it, you have two options: either play his game- the game of power- outsmart him, and win, or quit your job and go and work somewhere else. You seem to understand him pretty well. He, on the other hand, probably has you underestimated somewhat. Probably thinks you're all brawn and no brains. That puts him at a disadvantage.

I know he wouldn't dare threatened either on purpose directly, it's the crossfire I'm worried about. My plan at this point is to just document this with the local police and in turn seek legal representation to to bar him from coming near my family, home, or property. I only wish to do all this because I know how these type of situations play out. I need to document this to protect my legal position for when this fuck forces my hand.

Proper, official documentation is always a good idea. Just keep in mind that the police can't actually do anything until a crime has been committed. And even when a crime takes place, it must always be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. He's a convicted felon and probably knows his way around the justice system very well by now. A guy like that won't hesitate to commit another crime if he feels he'll gain from it somehow. Better watch yourself. Because he's watching you.

I didn't create this situation, I'm just dealing with it. I would appreciate some feedback. This a serious situation so please only repond with serious advice and or observations. Thanks.

I've read some more of your responses in this thread and I'll comment further in one or more of them right now...

 

[Baraka]

That's just it, he doesn't have the money. Other's run the business, not him. He just gets comes around for his tribute. I have a strong reputation as a consumate professional and the bosses know I am not the trouble maker in the situation. He's burned a lot of bridges and there are many who would like to see him taken out just as much as I would. Thanks for you input though.

Okay, so to recap: Mr. Prick has burned a lot of bridges with both management and employees, and they want to see him go down. Unfortunately, for some reason, he always manages to dodge a bullet and stay on. Got it.

I don't really have anyone here I can trust to assist me with this fuck and if I did I am not sure I would want to involve them. This is my fight.

Whah?! Let me get this straight: everyone hates this asshole, but you can't find even ONE person to trust, let alone help you deal with him?? Again, this makes no sense. Either people hate him, or they don't. If they do, they'll help you. If they don't, they won't. If they hate him and won't help you, then they fear him greatly. But why? What does he have that makes them so afraid of him?

Anyway, if that's the case (no one is even willing to trust you, let alone go to bat for you), then why even bother showing up for work? I know I wouldn't stand for a work environment like that. Why do you? A man's gotta have a reason other than just a paycheck to show up for work, especially when dealing with shit like this. I don't know how you do it. Then again, I don't know what kind of work you're into. My guess is it ain't kosher.

Here's the last of my advice, for now: you've confronted him, now ignore him. Make it a point to turn your back to him and walk away from him when he's addressing you in a clearly demeaning, or threatening way- but only when other people are around. The more, the merrier. Better yet, try to engineer something when a client is around. If you're lucky, after using your tactic of ignoring him publicly, he'll explode like a little child throwing a tantrum. That may be the last straw for management. Plus, your co-workers will lose any remaining grain of respect- or fear- they had for him. The key is to embarrass and humiliate him in public, particularly in the presence of those whom he can't afford to be undermined in front of. It's always best to try to do this indirectly. So, while it's best to try ignoring him, that may or may not work. You need a plan B. And that plan B requires the use of allies.

Privately, behind the scenes and in secret, you need to build those alliances. Gather your intelligence of him. You need to find out exactly who he's loyal to and who is loyal to him. What is the quid pro quo? What is he giving back to your company to make him immune to all the shit that he's caused? If it's dirty, can it somehow be used against him? That could be a real trump card in your deck.

Lastly, after formulating an attack strategy, you might want to get him some kind of a gift. Seriously. Find out what he likes and get it for him. Doesn't matter what the cost is. He'll pay for it with his blood later. Apologize to him, saying that you got off the wrong foot with him from the get go and that you'd like to try to patch things up. This should disarm him... or at least think that you've backed down and are no longer a threat. Then, when his defenses are down and his arrogance is high, bury him. :!:

 

[nobody]

Let me just say that I know what you're going through- and I know exactly how to deal with it. I've dealt with these types of people (paranoids, power players, sadists, sociopaths, psycho fucks, etc.) on many occasions in the past and have come out unscathed every time (knock wood). I'm gonna ask you a few questions and suggest a few things below.
Who was he demoted by? What was/were the reason(s) for his demotion? Could that be used against him now and in the future? Can you secretly ally with whoever demoted him?



The "real" bosses demoted him. The reason was his incompetence, drug habit, unreliability and that he was basically costing them money. To a degree it can be used against him. I don't need to secretly ally with anyone because my reputation speaks for itself. I make them money and that's all that matters, they know better than to shoot themselves in the foot.




Sorry to say, but this makes little sense. That is, if the situation is really the way you say it is. If he's such a fuckin liability to your employers, then why is he still around?? Could it be because of his mob connections? Better yet, ask yourself: what are your employers gaining by keeping this fuck on the payroll? Because I can guarantee you that they're gaining something, and judging how much of a spectacular prick he is, it must be something of some real value. Maybe he conducts "independent" illegal activities on behalf of your employer? That way the principals could keep their hands clean. Anyway, I know there's a lot more to this than what you've said so far. You may not even be aware of it. I know I'm right because if I wasn't, this guy would be a distant memory by now.



I have a very easy answer for this. These are Italians and he is their blood. Some fear him to a degree. That's why I'm stirring shit up so much. Nobody and I mean nobody has ever stood up to him like I did.




Fucking excellent, excellent, excellent! So long as you kept your cool the whole time during your confrontation and didn't blow up at him, you took the best action possible. So far, so good, in terms of standing up to him, while making him look bad and yourself look good. If I knew you outside of these boards, I'd make sure that we celebrated this bigtime.



Who are these "goons" you're talkin about? How many are there? How much clout do they have? Do they answer to anyone and, if they do, to who? This is your whole problem, isn't it? He has goons to back him and you don't. He works in the shadows and you don't. If you don't start playing his game soon, he'll eventually getcha because he's quite a bit better armed than you are.



He has various running buddies and errand boys. My guess is about 6-7 men he can actually count on to a degree. Some answer to him while other's are just running buddies. You have to keep in mind that he has burned a lot of bridges. He is so far down the downward spiral that many have distanced themselves from him. He was indicted on federal charges last year and is under a microscope until sentencing. And who said "I" don't operate in the shadows.rofl As for the better arms I'm pretty sure I have him and his goons outmatched armament wise not to mention the fact that I'm professionally trained. Like my sig says "complacency equals death". I'm not letting my guard down in the least. I know better than that.



Yes, exactly. That's how most of these fuckheads operate. They'll never go after you directly, preferring instead to go after someone, or something, you love. The way I see it, you have two options: either play his game- the game of power- outsmart him, and win, or quit your job and go and work somewhere else. You seem to understand him pretty well. He, on the other hand, probably has you underestimated somewhat. Probably thinks you're all brawn and no brains. That puts him at a disadvantage.



This guy is such a stupid fuck he doesn't realize that whether it's on the street or in a court room he's going to lose. Legally he is so fucked if he tries anything. A decorated veteran with no record of any crime or a convicted felon/cokehead/mob associate. If you were the jury who would you support/believe? It's all about his ego. He thinks the world is H.B.O. and he's Tony Soprano. He is his own worst enemy.



Proper, official documentation is always a good idea. Just keep in mind that the police can't actually do anything until a crime has been committed. And even when a crime takes place, it must always be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. He's a convicted felon and probably knows his way around the justice system very well by now. A guy like that won't hesitate to commit another crime if he feels he'll gain from it somehow. Better watch yourself. Because he's watching you.



I wasn't going to the police expecting them to protect me or my family in any way. The reason I'm going to report this is because there is a very high probability that I am going to be forced to take this guy out. There are the inevitable legal reprecussions of that. I'm just covering my ass legally.



I've read some more of your responses in this thread and I'll comment further in one or more of them right now...

I really appreciate you advice and observations. Two heads are always better than one. There is a lot more to this situation that I am choosing not share for obvious reasons.

 

[nobody]

Right after I posted saw that you had posted again. Responses as follows.

Okay, so to recap: Mr. Prick has burned a lot of bridges with both management and employees, and they want to see him go down. Unfortunately, for some reason, he always manages to dodge a bullet and stay on. Got it.

Whah?! Let me get this straight: everyone hates this asshole, but you can't find even ONE person to trust, let alone help you deal with him?? Again, this makes no sense. Either people hate him, or they don't. If they do, they'll help you. If they don't, they won't. If they hate him and won't help you, then they fear him greatly. But why? What does he have that makes them so afraid of him?






They can't stand him and he gives them a lot of grief but like I said these are Italians and he's blood. They won't betray one of their own but then again if he were to walk into the lion's den they probably wouldn't warn him.






Anyway, if that's the case (no one is even willing to trust you, let alone go to bat for you), then why even bother showing up for work? I know I wouldn't stand for a work environment like that. Why do you? A man's gotta have a reason other than just a paycheck to show up for work, especially when dealing with shit like this. I don't know how you do it. Then again, I don't know what kind of work you're into. My guess is it ain't kosher.






EVERYBODY trusts me at work. Like I said I'm an asset but not an expendable one. That's why I'm given such latitude. My work gives me a lot of flexibily to pursue other things. It's my stepping stone for the moment. The moneys good too. Not everything is on the level but as I've mentioned before I don't like to hurt people but there are those who deserve it. I'm rather selective.







Here's the last of my advice, for now: you've confronted him, now ignore him. Make it a point to turn your back to him and walk away from him when he's addressing you in a clearly demeaning, or threatening way- but only when other people are around. The more, the merrier. Better yet, try to engineer something when a client is around. If you're lucky, after using your tactic of ignoring him publicly, he'll explode like a little child throwing a tantrum. That may be the last straw for management. Plus, your co-workers will lose any remaining grain of respect- or fear- they had for him. The key is to embarrass and humiliate him in public, particularly in the presence of those whom he can't afford to be undermined in front of. It's always best to try to do this indirectly. So, while it's best to try ignoring him, that may or may not work. You need a plan B. And that plan B requires the use of allies.

Privately, behind the scenes and in secret, you need to build those alliances. Gather your intelligence of him. You need to find out exactly who he's loyal to and who is loyal to him. What is the quid pro quo? What is he giving back to your company to make him immune to all the shit that he's caused? If it's dirty, can it somehow be used against him? That could be a real trump card in your deck.

Lastly, after formulating an attack strategy, you might want to get him some kind of a gift. Seriously. Find out what he likes and get it for him. Doesn't matter what the cost is. He'll pay for it with his blood later. Apologize to him, saying that you got off the wrong foot with him from the get go and that you'd like to try to patch things up. This should disarm him... or at least think that you've backed down and are no longer a threat. Then, when his defenses are down and his arrogance is high, bury him. :!:

I've already got plenty of dirt on this guy. If there's one thing I've learned it's cover your ass. Thanks again for your input.

 

[penguinsfan]

Tough situation. I don't know exactly what to say. Try to judge and see how likely it really would be that he would ever make a move on your family. Document things with the police and you said, but if Starsky & Hutch fail to protect them, make sure Smith & Wesson is at home with your family.

 

[Baraka]

It seems like you already know what to do and chose to share this with us to get it off your chest. Believe me, that's a good thing. Keeping completely quiet about something as troubling as this is against human nature. Thank God for the anonymous internet, right?

I'm just happy that you have the situation under control and will deal with this guy in due time. I've long thought that you're one of the brightest posters on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], and truly wish you the best of luck and good fortune with this shituation.

I really appreciate you advice and observations. Two heads are always better than one. There is a lot more to this situation that I am choosing not share for obvious reasons.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Hey Nobody,

I don't know what your views are on the subject, or your local laws, but it just might be time for that Concealed Weapons Permit and a few good "tools" to go with it. Doesn't necessarily need to be a firearm either, Cold Steel has a nice little assortment of quite lethal, yet completely undetectable knives and such. But there are other "pre-emptive" options you could exercise; The IRS always likes to get the random anonymous tip.
NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) will proudly deliver their newsletter to your/his place of business. Actually, there are hundreds of organizations that would LOVE to expand their readership...all ya gotts do is sign up; pay later.
Most local police will expand their presence in your neighborhood, and pay particular attention to your house if you just ask them to. Especially if you stop the mail and tell them you're going on vacation. (Do this from work or a disposable cell phone for obvious reasons.)
Cops also love to hear the words "high traffic in and out of the house" , "living beyond his apparent means" , "meth lab" and the biggie; "kiddie adult entertainment". They will, most usually, investigate these subjects with great vigor. The Postal Service will put a change of address into action just by receiving the card with the old and new addresses. And most utilities will stop service with one simple phone call.
A quick internet search will reveal many message boards used by people who have contracted, or been exposed to, any of the many sexually transmitted diseases out there. To warn anyone they may have, in turn, also exposed. Feel free to include as much or as little personal information as you see fit, it is a public forum after all.

Now; of course I'm not advocating the actual use of any of these methods...but you may want to be cautious and vigilant, to see they aren't used against you. And here's a source for many more things to "watch out for": http://www.righthook.com/revenge.html and this one too:http://www.ekran.no/html/revenge/.

Use them in peace.

 

[nobody]

It seems like you already know what to do and chose to share this with us to get it off your chest. Believe me, that's a good thing. Keeping completely quiet about something as troubling as this is against human nature. Thank God for the anonymous internet, right?

I'm just happy that you have the situation under control and will deal with this guy in due time. I've long thought that you're one of the brightest posters on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], and truly wish you the best of luck and good fortune with this shituation.

Thanks a lot I really appreciate all that sincerly. The part about already knowing what to do and just needing to get it off my chest. You hit the nail on the proverbial head with that. I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or what but the last few years I really quit listening to my instincts and I couldn't tell you why. I was more locked on as a youth. WTF? There's been a lot on my plate so far this year so it's kind of like my old self is giving me a mental and emotional bitchslap. "Wake up you fuck!" Trust me I needed it. I've been fucking up these last few years. My gut has never failed me so I don't know why I started failing it.


Those days are behind me now and the real me is creeping back to the surface. If you're reading this penguinsfan, that thread about you getting NIN pit tickets? Well like I said I really have been listening to "With Teeth" everyday. Something about Reznor's work really strikes a chord with me and always has. If you really listen to his lyrics he is constantly speaking of taking stock of one's self and our habits of misdirection. The picture isn't always that pretty. The thing is that the very forces that work to bring us to our knees can be our greatest liberators as well. Own your fear, hate, apathy, and regret. I like to quote artists and authors a lot because they speak the truths we often refuse to admit to ourselves. "Your mistakes you truly own"- Filter. We are the masters of our own destiny.

Today played out pretty much how I thought it would. Except one major surprise that I wasn't expecting. I stopped by one of our main offices to get paid and the main bosses were there. I could tell right away that they knew what happened. Their look basically said "Whoa, you're a wildcard but you're our kind of wildcard".

We had the sit down and Fucko (that's what I'll call him from here on out) was represented by a family member. I was basically told that they knew what happened but they wanted to hear my side of things. For some reason I kind of had the feeling this might not turn out so well for me. I couldn't tell you why exactly. I think it was just that self doubt trying to fuck with me. Anyway I said my piece. They listened to all I had say and I didn't hold back. When I was done everybody apologized to me profusely and said that Fucko's behavior was totally out of line. Like I thought Fucko is now officially exiled. He is not allowed around the business. Someone else has to come get his tribute for him. Why does he still get paper? Hey not my concern. Let the Italians be Italians. To each their own.

Here's the crazy part I wasn't expecting. I was told from the highest authority that if Fucko crosses my path again I am free to deal with him in ANY manner I see fit. He is free game now. I was given an official green light. I never expected this. That's the one thing that really was in the back of my mind about this situation. I can deal with Fucko, his goons, and the law. It was the fallout from his family and it's effect on my status that had me thinking. It's like a huge weight has been lifted off my chest. I still can't believe it. As they say, "stick a fork in him, he's done." rofl

I'm not out of the woods yet but this is a whole new ballgame now. Fucko's has been disgraced and at my hand no less so I know he'll be looking for payback. I didn't file a report today because the day got away from me but I'm taking a personal day tomorrow so as to do what needs doin'.

Like you said Baraka, you are totally right I just needed to get this off my chest and get some other heads wrapped around it. I've been a solitary animal for thirty three years now. I've lived a shitstorm and always just kept my problems to myself. I've never wanted to trust anybody because in the end they always failed me. That's what I was like as youth, a fucking rock. But I have to admit I never failed myself, not then.

This is as good a time as any so I'll just come clean with some other negativity currently in my life. I've already shared this with Red and know the rest of you should know. My marriage of three years is officially out the window. It wasn't over cheating or any bullshit like that. I'm simply being true to myself once again. I gave up my prior life to be with this woman and she has time and again failed me in so many ways. I hold the bar high in relationships but I jump it too. She has basically finally admitted that she is just not capable of being what I need in a wife. She is broken hearted and want's to work things out but for me it's too little too late. That ship has sailed. We are splitting on good terms, there is no hate. I just need more than she can provide.

So that's why I've been such a mess lately. So far this year I've been injured in a major car accident, I'm getting divorced, and I have this cheap mafioso wannabe situation going on. When it rains it pours. I'll get through this though. I always do.

I want to say thanks again to EVERYBODY who has chimed in here. I truly do appreciate it. One thing I want to clarify too. Some who read this thread may think I'm just another thug up to no good pissin' on the world. I admit I have a history of bumping shoulders with some unsavory types. I'll say one thing about working with criminals though. At least you know where you stand. There is no illusion. It is what it is. I used to be a fucking boyscout. That kind of idealism made me a part something that really hurt people. I'm not like these pussy ass fucks carjacking old ladies and shooting up neighborhoods. I eat that kind of scum with relish whenever the opportunity presents itself. I'm just a regular guy trying to scratch out a living. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Fucko brought shame and you showed balls. You got respect now. You seem like a straight up kinda guy, that's good. You just might want to consider puttin' your words directly into Fucko's ear. One part of "the code" says that if you are to beat an opponent, make his humiliation so complete you wipe all thoughts of retribution out of his soul forever. Sometimes, just showing a big enough set is sufficient.
Either way, congrats and good damn luck !

 

[iwant8inches]

Thanks a lot I really appreciate all that sincerly. The part about already knowing what to do and just needing to get it off my chest. You hit the nail on the proverbial head with that. I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or what but the last few years I really quit listening to my instincts and I couldn't tell you why. I was more locked on as a youth. WTF? There's been a lot on my plate so far this year so it's kind of like my old self is giving me a mental and emotional bitchslap. "Wake up you fuck!" Trust me I needed it. I've been fucking up these last few years. My gut has never failed me so I don't know why I started failing it.


Those days are behind me now and the real me is creeping back to the surface. If you're reading this penguinsfan, that thread about you getting NIN pit tickets? Well like I said I really have been listening to "With Teeth" everyday. Something about Reznor's work really strikes a chord with me and always has. If you really listen to his lyrics he is constantly speaking of taking stock of one's self and our habits of misdirection. The picture isn't always that pretty. The thing is that the very forces that work to bring us to our knees can be our greatest liberators as well. Own your fear, hate, apathy, and regret. I like to quote artists and authors a lot because they speak the truths we often refuse to admit to ourselves. "Your mistakes you truly own"- Filter. We are the masters of our own destiny.

Today played out pretty much how I thought it would. Except one major surprise that I wasn't expecting. I stopped by one of our main offices to get paid and the main bosses were there. I could tell right away that they knew what happened. Their look basically said "Whoa, you're a wildcard but you're our kind of wildcard".

We had the sit down and Fucko (that's what I'll call him from here on out) was represented by a family member. I was basically told that they knew what happened but they wanted to hear my side of things. For some reason I kind of had the feeling this might not turn out so well for me. I couldn't tell you why exactly. I think it was just that self doubt trying to fuck with me. Anyway I said my piece. They listened to all I had say and I didn't hold back. When I was done everybody apologized to me profusely and said that Fucko's behavior was totally out of line. Like I thought Fucko is now officially exiled. He is not allowed around the business. Someone else has to come get his tribute for him. Why does he still get paper? Hey not my concern. Let the Italians be Italians. To each their own.

Here's the crazy part I wasn't expecting. I was told from the highest authority that if Fucko crosses my path again I am free to deal with him in ANY manner I see fit. He is free game now. I was given an official green light. I never expected this. That's the one thing that really was in the back of my mind about this situation. I can deal with Fucko, his goons, and the law. It was the fallout from his family and it's effect on my status that had me thinking. It's like a huge weight has been lifted off my chest. I still can't believe it. As they say, "stick a fork in him, he's done." rofl

I'm not out of the woods yet but this is a whole new ballgame now. Fucko's has been disgraced and at my hand no less so I know he'll be looking for payback. I didn't file a report today because the day got away from me but I'm taking a personal day tomorrow so as to do what needs doin'.

Like you said Baraka, you are totally right I just needed to get this off my chest and get some other heads wrapped around it. I've been a solitary animal for thirty three years now. I've lived a shitstorm and always just kept my problems to myself. I've never wanted to trust anybody because in the end they always failed me. That's what I was like as youth, a fucking rock. But I have to admit I never failed myself, not then.

This is as good a time as any so I'll just come clean with some other negativity currently in my life. I've already shared this with Red and know the rest of you should know. My marriage of three years is officially out the window. It wasn't over cheating or any bullshit like that. I'm simply being true to myself once again. I gave up my prior life to be with this woman and she has time and again failed me in so many ways. I hold the bar high in relationships but I jump it too. She has basically finally admitted that she is just not capable of being what I need in a wife. She is broken hearted and want's to work things out but for me it's too little too late. That ship has sailed. We are splitting on good terms, there is no hate. I just need more than she can provide.

So that's why I've been such a mess lately. So far this year I've been injured in a major car accident, I'm getting divorced, and I have this cheap mafioso wannabe situation going on. When it rains it pours. I'll get through this though. I always do.

I want to say thanks again to EVERYBODY who has chimed in here. I truly do appreciate it. One thing I want to clarify too. Some who read this thread may think I'm just another thug up to no good pissin' on the world. I admit I have a history of bumping shoulders with some unsavory types. I'll say one thing about working with criminals though. At least you know where you stand. There is no illusion. It is what it is. I used to be a fucking boyscout. That kind of idealism made me a part something that really hurt people. I'm not like these pussy ass fucks carjacking old ladies and shooting up neighborhoods. I eat that kind of scum with relish whenever the opportunity presents itself. I'm just a regular guy trying to scratch out a living. Nothing more nothing less.

Damn you sound like a man's man without any doubt whatsoever. It also seems like you'll want a biographer someday or something because at the least you seem like your life or personality should be on the big screen or read about seeing as how most here probably consider you to be pretty interesting lol. I really do hope all is well with you soon.

 

[penguinsfan]

Hey, I'm glad at least it sounds like this guy is going to be off your back. Hope the rest of your situations work out for you too.

 

[nobody]

Damn you sound like a man's man without any doubt whatsoever. It also seems like you'll want a biographer someday or something because at the least you seem like your life or personality should be on the big screen or read about seeing as how most here probably consider you to be pretty interesting lol. I really do hope all is well with you soon.

Actually there's a chance you've seen me on both the big screen and t.v. already. People have been telling me I should write a book since my teens so maybe you are all on to something. I've been on many Spanish t.v. networks and did some work for the tribes on regular t.v. As for the silver screen I've had very small parts in a few American films. Blink for a few seconds and you'll miss me. rofl Like I said that's what I dig about my work. I like giving a whole new definition to the term "independant contractor". My works gives me the time and means to move on to bigger and better things. I've been out of that racket for a few years but I'm coming back with a vengence. I have got to get back to Socal and find me an Angelina. Watch your six Brad. You guys here at M.O.S. keep your eyes peeled. I've give a signal or speak a phrase on film that only you guys will recognize Thanks for your input and well wishes.