Progress thread Question about girth training and length training.

[Infected Mushroom]

There is one more question that intriques me... If 5x5x3 is done daily. Is tissue damage too much for bodys recoverability to handle?
Should routine look more like this:
1. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.
2. Day: Extender 4h
3. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.
4. Day: Extender 4h
5. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.

 

[huge-girth]

There is one more question that intriques me... If 5x5x3 is done daily. Is tissue damage too much for bodys recoverability to handle?
Should routine look more like this:
1. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.
2. Day: Extender 4h
3. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.
4. Day: Extender 4h
5. Day: Extender 4h, 5x5x3.

Do option 1. You are going to be fine.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

@Infected Mushroom, I need to ask you about something.
- You are using the Phallosan Plus+ system right? And you seems to be a regular user of it, so exactly the right brother to ask
some questions.

What I was wondering about is how you are attching the bell to your glans/penis shaft?
I use the Phallosan forte without the belt as a elongation wrap (link on MOS).

I will describe how I did it, and how I do it right now. The reason I have changed my method is due to the fact that one of my nails cut into the lip of the part of the condome that's attached/streched over the bell.

My logic to this was that it was better to detach the condome completely, so It could rest during the nigth. Since I have no ADS or elongation wrap on during night/sleep.
But I don't think this way is a good method any longer. Since when you are going to put on the condom on the bell, this creates even more stress on the rubber in the condome, and more stress then If I have left the condom attached forever (until it breaks). It feels like it anyways.
Do you have any experience with this?

The cut with my nail destroyed this condome. I could not trust it any longer, since I do not want to it to rip when I'm out and about. I was testing the condome after the cut (was pulling it apart in the rip).
It didn't required a to deep cut in the upper ring (near/on the bell) for it to completely rip apart.

But I don't know? I had probably been able to use this condome some more time, but I did not do that. I got many condoms from Phallosan when ordering the Phallosan forte so I'm good for some time. They are also cheap to be shipped to where I live.

So I will keep it attached at the bell at all times, no need to remove the condome from the bell entirely when I am done using it, or should I?

So my main question to you @Infected Mushroom:
— Can you roll the condome up nicely and carefully over the bell, when you are going to attach it to your penis?
I have personally not been able to do this.

When I looked at a video with the SiliStretcher the guy was able to do this. So maybe only for this reason alone, the SiliStretcher is a superior device, in comparison to the Phallosan system. Probably true.

I'm only asking this questions since I want to make the best use of this expensive ADS system from Phallosan.

— Do you remove the tiny pump when you are attaching the bell and condome to your penis? That's what I'm doing. But I have a feeling this will wear out the bell and the pump?

The stretch over the bell to later be rolled over my penis shaft for secure attachment feels somewhat abusive to the condome.
— Is there any way to do this in a more kinder/less abusive way? It feels like I will destroy it sometimes.

Over time the Phallosan condome will stretch exactly in front of the bell, and I feel this is going to be a problem, especially if you need higher pressure to use the Phallosan forte for it's intended usage (with the belt). You can say that the rubber becomes stretched out exactly nearest the bell. I'm using the XL bell with the L condoms.

— I feel that the pressure and the attachment will not be secured if this part of the condome is stretched out to much?
The pressure/suction will not be strong.

I can send pictures later if you want more clarification of what I'm talking about. Do you need that?

Many questions I know, I just want some user experience information from someone that are using the Phallosan system daily. Since I want to use my system as optimal as possible, and without the wear and tear I'm describing above.

Kind regards@squirt_inducer_man

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I am able to roll it over the bell. At first it was hassle, but I learned it quite fast. Always keep short nails. You shouldn't ever use nails to put it on. I made that mistake with protector cap, and it tore. But I have not yet lost any of my sleeves due breaking.
You can keep the sleeve on bell, but what I do: use rubber band to secure the sleeve on belt. This will keep vacuum better and there is no chance for sleeve to come of, and it also keeps it from loosening.
I also use band tied on sleeves lower part, so vacuum will not disappear due thinning of shaft when it elongates. (band that is used like in clothes, easy to tie. Dont tie too tight. Purpose is only to help keep vacuum.)
I have to knock on wood for not losing any of my sleeves.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

When I use pump before extending, I use large sleeve. If not, I use medium. I noticed, that even if my penis would be ok at first in large sleeve, shaft tends to narrow alot when stretched. Medium is actually better for holding vacuum. Sleeve will not loose vacuum, if I have secure it from root of the sleeve with tied band.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I am able to roll it over the bell. At first it was hassle, but I learned it quite fast. Always keep short nails. You shouldn't ever use nails to put it on. I made that mistake with protector cap, and it tore. But I have not yet lost any of my sleeves due breaking.
You can keep the sleeve on bell, but what I do: use rubber band to secure the sleeve on belt. This will keep vacuum better and there is no chance for sleeve to come of, and it also keeps it from loosening.
I also use band tied on sleeves lower part, so vacuum will not disappear due thinning of shaft when it elongates. (band that is used like in clothes, easy to tie. Dont tie too tight. Purpose is only to help keep vacuum.)
I have to knock on wood for not losing any of my sleeves.

Okey thanks for this information it will help me. The tip with the rubber band on the bell to secure the condome hard, as well the band tied on the sleeve lower part to keep the vacuum, I had not thought about that.

Is it possible for you to post a picture of this band tied on the lower part of the sleeve?

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I'll check if I got one...

 

[Infected Mushroom]

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

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That looks like a good stretch
Now I understand your setup completely.
Thanks.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

Older pic, but on Bell I have yellow rubber band. At lower end I was just using clothband, at it does the trick also, if you dont have any other bands available.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Older pic, but on Bell I have yellow rubber band. At lower end I was just using clothband, at it does the trick also, if you dont have any other bands available.

How long (past your flaccid natural length) can you stretch your penis with that setup?

 

[Infected Mushroom]

And I am using in pic screws to elongate. I don't do it atm. Because I thing that springs tension is enough to give good stretching. Just adding bars when needed.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

How long (past your flaccid natural length) can you stretch your penis with that setup?

I haven't actually measured that before. Gotta do it tomorrow. Thanks for the hint!

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I haven't actually measured that before. Gotta do it tomorrow. Thanks for the hint!

No problems brother

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

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Currently I have not so long flaccid but it's getting longer. Maybe this is the way to do that later on? Will experiment with this after I get to a solid 8" in BPEL with the lengthmaster.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

My goal is also 8x6. Getting there for sure, unless Murhy's law gets in the way.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

My goal is also 8x6. Getting there for sure, unless Murhy's law gets in the way.

Awesome brother!
Nah! Just crush right though Murphy's law like it's water.

 

[DLD]

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Wow you are fucking huge

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Wow you are fucking huge

I also thought so.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I forgot to mention that I did yesterday 5x5x3 after extending. Today I am feeling bit retraction of penis, since I forgot to put Phallosan Forte on. Slept like baby, that helped with workday. I am not going to do 5x5x3 today. I need to be sure if my approach of elongating turtling is right one. So today I will do Phallosan Plus for 4 hours. After that I will use Forte. I promised yesterday that I would measure my flacid vs. stretched. I think I will measure stretched today, and flacid tomorrow. Because I can get more accurate measurement without turtling, if my hypothesis is correct about turtling or so called "creep".

I really like my airpump with gauge, but I miss bathmates. Warm water makes penis more malliable. Of course there are several negative things when using water pump, like got water tending to remove important oil from skin, that can result in skin dryness. That is preventable with good lotion after water pumping. One thing that made me take break from water pumping is that even if it is truly effective, but lack of gauge with bathmates can cause serious problems with bursting veins. Healing them take huge amount of time. This why I am definitely going to buy Mityvac, as it seems to have good gauge.
I forgot to mention, that I used to do so, that I warmed my penis with bathmate Hercules for 10 mins so penis becomes malliable. Makes big difference.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I did 4 and half hours of extending. I measured my stretched on Phallosan Plus, and got to 20 cm / 7.784 inches. I'd say 0.5 cm to 1 cm fatpad when pressed really hard to base. So maybe 21 cm (ish). Measuring becomes easier as I lose more weight. I used max stretched that I was able to, there is always risk of blisters.
After this 5x5x3 is out of the question, blisters would occur for sure. Tomorrow I'm going to measure normal flacid length, hoping that my experiment won't turtle my penis.

 

[Grandmaster]

I did 4 and half hours of extending. I measured my stretched on Phallosan Plus, and got to 20 cm / 7.784 inches. I'd say 0.5 cm to 1 cm fatpad when pressed really hard to base. So maybe 21 cm (ish). Measuring becomes easier as I lose more weight. I used max stretched that I was able to, there is always risk of blisters.
After this 5x5x3 is out of the question, blisters would occur for sure. Tomorrow I'm going to measure normal flacid length, hoping that my experiment won't turtle my penis.

You should not have to jam the ruler really hard against the base. Firmly, yes, but don't go crazy.

The 0.5-1 cm you are talking about is not a fat pad, but mostly thickness of skin. You cannot get that down to zero.

 

[Grandmaster]

You should not have to jam the ruler really hard against the base. Firmly, yes, but don't go crazy.

The 0.5-1 cm you are talking about is not a fat pad, but mostly thickness of skin. You cannot get that down to zero.

Unless you decide to become anorexic, there will always be a little something there.
Is there a difference in your BPFSL when wearing your extender compared to the traditional way of measuring?

 

[DLD]

Unless you decide to become anorexic, there will always be a little something there.
Is there a difference in your BPFSL when wearing your extender compared to the traditional way of measuring?

I was down to less than .25 inch last year and my body was in the best place it has ever been

 

[Infected Mushroom]

Unless you decide to become anorexic, there will always be a little something there.
Is there a difference in your BPFSL when wearing your extender compared to the traditional way of measuring?

I'm going to measure this today after work. Anorexic is not my goal, but definitely going to lose lot of fat. And I need to say, that my goal is to get as precise measurement as possible. But skin and fat always makes some "tolerance" to measurement. One of the reasons why I press hard when measuring. Fat accumulation on the body areas for me are chest, groin area, and stomach. This of course differs person to person. And as we age (40+) it feels like getting rid of body fat gets harder. Although plant based diet accelerated fat loss a lot.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

Measured my normal flaccid without stretching: 12 cm / 4,724 inches.

Measured flaccid hand stretched: 19 cm / 7,48 inches.

After measurement I dived in Phallosan Plus. I'm going to do atleast 4 hours and after that 5x5x3.

Feeling quite positive about this.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Measured my normal flaccid without stretching: 12 cm / 4,724 inches.

Measured flaccid hand stretched: 19 cm / 7,48 inches.

After measurement I dived in Phallosan Plus. I'm going to do atleast 4 hours and after that 5x5x3.

Feeling quite positive about this.

Your dedication inspires me.

 

[Grandmaster]

I was down to less than .25 inch last year and my body was in the best place it has ever been

Less than 0.25 inch? That is crazy. You must have been extremely thin. Basically no body fat.

I am not fat, but I would look and feel a lot better if I were to lose 20 lbs. I know exactly what I have to do to get there, as I have done so many times in the past, but I am just too lazy to do what is required.

I need like two good weeks of boot camp, to be perfectly honest with you. Just to get me on the right track.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

Phallosan Plus extender for 4 hours. Then 5x5x3. Training was good. Took some zinc, boron and Magnesium to get testosterone in check, and helps with sleeping. Grind continues tomorrow.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Phallosan Plus extender for 4 hours. Then 5x5x3. Training was good. Took some zinc, boron and Magnesium to get testosterone in check, and helps with sleeping. Grind continues tomorrow.

How much boron do you take?

 

[Infected Mushroom]

How much boron do you take?

6mg daily. Effects body fat burning, and raises testosterone. I check if I can find study journal about fat burning effect. Read it while ago.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

6mg daily. Effects body fat burning, and raises testosterone. I check if I can find study journal about fat burning effect. Read it while ago.

Thanks

 

[Infected Mushroom]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ght_Reducing_Effect_of_Oral_Boric_Acid_Intake

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ght_Reducing_Effect_of_Oral_Boric_Acid_Intake

Thanks! I have downloaded the document, I have to read that later.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

It seems to work, atleast for me. Boron is actually only found in plants. There was study made that investigated what Roman gladiators mainly ate. Their bones were concentrated with Boron, which tells story of plant based diet.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I think there are more recent studies made aswell.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I think there are more recent studies made aswell.

There is so much powerful ways to optimize your health in a safe and natural way. Supplements are one key in that.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

"Boron is key to the function of various reproductive cycles, including hormones like testosterone. It's been found to significantly increase testosterone in men after only one week. Also plays a role in Vitamin D retention, also essential for testosterone. Boron has even been seen to increase testosterone in women."

 

[Infected Mushroom]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4712861/

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

"Boron is key to the function of various reproductive cycles, including hormones like testosterone. It's been found to significantly increase testosterone in men after only one week. Also plays a role in Vitamin D retention, also essential for testosterone. Boron has even been seen to increase testosterone in women."

I have missed this, thank you for making me aware of this.

 

[BananaCock]

Are there Boron supplements, I won't think it's sketchy if there are companies putting it out.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Are there Boron supplements, I won't think it's sketchy if there are companies putting it out.

A common supplement.

 

[DLD]

Less than 0.25 inch? That is crazy. You must have been extremely thin. Basically no body fat.

I am not fat, but I would look and feel a lot better if I were to lose 20 lbs. I know exactly what I have to do to get there, as I have done so many times in the past, but I am just too lazy to do what is required.

I need like two good weeks of boot camp, to be perfectly honest with you. Just to get me on the right track.

Almost no body fat but not thin, I was completely muscular. The best shape of my life

 

[Grandmaster]

Almost no body fat but not thin, I was completely muscular. The best shape of my life

Very rare to see BP almost identical to NBP.
Given your dimensions, with virtually no fat pad, I would have had the urge to have my ego stroked by some gal. I'll assume you took advantage.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Almost no body fat but not thin, I was completely muscular. The best shape of my life

Was this thanks to the SRT diet?
I have read it mentioned before in some post.
I don't know If you can find that diet plan somewhere?

 

[Infected Mushroom]

Today after work I dived in Phallosan Plus for 4 hours. Last hour I added one more smallpiece of bars. Getting more tension on my last hour, and see if I get turtling. I slept for an hour with Phallosan on. It is weird that when I sleep and take off Phallosan after waking up, penis is much fuller, not thin. Not sure if this is just effect of some erektion during sleep, or creation of extender based, maybe some nutritional thing. But I also ate some 100g Red lentils and 100g of oats. For bodybuilding this has some effect on vascular dialation, as carbs tend to be bigger molecules, and insulin takes nutrition inside cells. Would think that this also has effect on penile expanding. Gonna leave 5x5x3 for tomorrow. I think this 4 hours extending is much more efficient than 3 hours. Maybe I will do this for a month, and start progressively up my time under tension towards 6 hours per day.

 

[DLD]

Very rare to see BP almost identical to NBP.
Given your dimensions, with virtually no fat pad, I would have had the urge to have my ego stroked by some gal. I'll assume you took advantage.

I loved it but depression came and I gained a lot of weight. I am loosing weight again and pray I can get back to that body

 

[Grandmaster]

I loved it but depression came and I gained a lot of weight. I am loosing weight again and pray I can get back to that body

Losing a significant amount of weight is a difficult thing to do for most people.
Keeping it off is even more difficult, because it is a lifetime commitment.
I am sorry to hear about your depression. I hope things get better soon.

 

[DLD]

Losing a significant amount of weight is a difficult thing to do for most people.
Keeping it off is even more difficult, because it is a lifetime commitment.
I am sorry to hear about your depression. I hope things get better soon.

Thanks my brother that means the world to me

 

[Infected Mushroom]

I loved it but depression came and I gained a lot of weight. I am loosing weight again and pray I can get back to that body

I suggest you to read book: How not to die - Dr. Michael Greger. I myself have gone through depression periods on life several times. Environmental triggers effect greatly. Lack of exercise is one major driver of depression. For this I recommend reading book: Spark - John J. Ratey. Natural remedies for depression: Curcumin, Magnesium, Plant based diet that makes gut flora work like charm. This connection between gut and brain has been scientifically proven. They also found that creatine is good against depression. Also... If testosterono starts to drop at age 30-40, you will get depressed. You will be ok DLD.