Osama bin laden : Deceased
So get this: we find out sometime on the night of May 1st, that Osama Bin Laden is dead. Alright, that's pretty neat. We also have people saying that we have DNA proof that it is Bin Laden. Alrighty then. Then, right after he is declared dead, his body is buried at sea on May 2nd. Ok.
Here are my thoughts.
A. What DNA do we have to compare to for proof that it actually is Bin Laden?
B. Why was his body so hurriedly dumped off in the ocean, where it would be damn near impossible to find?
C. Wasn't that asshole on dialysis? Shouldn't he have been dead long ago?
Although I'm no conspiracy buff, this feels like something that's being used to boost President Obamas popularity before the election, and that either A. the fucker isn't actually dead, or B. he was dead for a long fucking time, and now we're just dumping a body in the ocean to make it look like we did something useful.
While I do support Obama, I really hope that he's not doing this kind of thing in order for his own political gains. I really hope our country is not coming to that, although I feel like it is, or already has.
Here are my thoughts.
A. What DNA do we have to compare to for proof that it actually is Bin Laden?
B. Why was his body so hurriedly dumped off in the ocean, where it would be damn near impossible to find?
C. Wasn't that asshole on dialysis? Shouldn't he have been dead long ago?
Although I'm no conspiracy buff, this feels like something that's being used to boost President Obamas popularity before the election, and that either A. the fucker isn't actually dead, or B. he was dead for a long fucking time, and now we're just dumping a body in the ocean to make it look like we did something useful.
While I do support Obama, I really hope that he's not doing this kind of thing in order for his own political gains. I really hope our country is not coming to that, although I feel like it is, or already has.
Well its not like the Taliban can hate us any more than they already did. They can't plan any harder to blow up the White House than they already have been planning to blow up the White House. Can you hate people you already hate with a passion more? Maybe they will try harder to get even for killing Usama but they've been thinking that way for generations its what they do. So now we got rid of one of their leaders- so what that can only be a good thing for us. If we decided to just stop taking out leaders of terrorist organizations that wanted all US citizens dead we would never have any leverage and they would still do everything they could to destroy us. The CIA just needs to step up their game and the Armed Forces needs to infiltrate the Taliban's organization and make them realize they are not an equal match.
Meh, it's just a stunt to boost ratings, obama has been in the gutter since day 1 and it's been getting so bad they needed a boost. This is just a distraction... just as a magician uses a hotty to distract you from his slight of hand, this is no different. The secrecy around the body suggests he's still alive and living somewhere under CIA protection... as always. America has become the biggest fraud in history if you ask me.... Looks good on paper (Constitution), but what it's become in reality is deplorable.
bluetard117;428463 said:
I just said some of the same thing in another thread-spot on. Much more likely he's alive somewhere-I don't believe he ever stopped working for the CIA. They can say or do whatever they want, we can't stop them, we can't ask for proof, they can make it up as they go to suit needs. Of course it's suspicious, it always is. Why did they destroy all the evidence at the scene of 9-11 before forensics could be done? You don't hide stuff unless you're hiding something, period. Biggest crime scene in history was covered up, so was this. Who cares anyway, Osama was just the name used to justify pipelines and invasions, who gives a fuck. And yes, this is a stunt to boost terribly low ratings and considering the nation is 85% sheep, it'll work.
REDZULU2003
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Probably going to be lots of crackpots claiming he isnt dead and its a conspiracy like 9/11 being an inside job! Jeez. I heard about this several hours ago and to me its genuine. Online radical sites to OBL have had prayers towards him and vowing to avenge his death, so its getting pretty obvious his side has acknowledged this and aswell one of his sons was killed alongwith several associates.
This to me isnt a matter of IF he is dead, sure he is dead but what happens now? more specific in how the clumsy US handles this and makes things more worse and by that take what that loud mouthed bitch Hilary Clinton said in that the Taliban now cannot ever bring down the US ... she said that on t.v after OBL death. That is poor as the Taliban are in Afghanistan with them fighting in that area claiming defence and is allot different than the typical suicide bombers and terrorist who attack the world. That bitch also claimed she (The US) would attack Iran if it touched Israel in the past, she is a loose cannon imho.
Also the whole matter of the OBL being buried at sea. Apparently he was treated with full Islamic traditions incl washing and dressed in white with prayers said before buried at sea. However being buried at sea in Islam is very rare indeed in cases only usually with deaths on a ship. The body must be buried with the head facing towards Mecca and if the body isnt wanted by family than it can be placed on anyland where prayers are said and it faces Mecca.
Burials at sea can be allowed in rare cimstances with the sea belonging to god and the body being taken in where it can be reurected upon judgement day. So that argument may start now but just remember it can be done in EXCEPTIONAL circumstances and this 'may' be one. No nations would want his body on their land, plus it can be a homage point for similer minded people to visit and flock towards.
Best thing would have been to have OBL buried in his homeland Saudi Arabia but than again they might not have wanted him back, so if no one wants his body the US is left with little options but who really thinks they bothered? cant blame them but you should always respect the dead, no matter who they are and hopefully his body wasn't abused afterwards, it makes the alliances and especially US look disgusting like the enemy.
With all that said the next leader of Al Qaeda will step forward and so the cycle continues. OBL may be dead, he isn't alive either no conspiracy so be so fucking naive people, but more leaders will move up the ranks. He will be seen as one of the special ones in his peoples eyes from now on and inspire them further ... this is not the end but rather the beginning and as well as the whole business in North Africa - especially Libya it isn't good. Europe has been placed on high red alert from now on.
This to me isnt a matter of IF he is dead, sure he is dead but what happens now? more specific in how the clumsy US handles this and makes things more worse and by that take what that loud mouthed bitch Hilary Clinton said in that the Taliban now cannot ever bring down the US ... she said that on t.v after OBL death. That is poor as the Taliban are in Afghanistan with them fighting in that area claiming defence and is allot different than the typical suicide bombers and terrorist who attack the world. That bitch also claimed she (The US) would attack Iran if it touched Israel in the past, she is a loose cannon imho.
Also the whole matter of the OBL being buried at sea. Apparently he was treated with full Islamic traditions incl washing and dressed in white with prayers said before buried at sea. However being buried at sea in Islam is very rare indeed in cases only usually with deaths on a ship. The body must be buried with the head facing towards Mecca and if the body isnt wanted by family than it can be placed on anyland where prayers are said and it faces Mecca.
Burials at sea can be allowed in rare cimstances with the sea belonging to god and the body being taken in where it can be reurected upon judgement day. So that argument may start now but just remember it can be done in EXCEPTIONAL circumstances and this 'may' be one. No nations would want his body on their land, plus it can be a homage point for similer minded people to visit and flock towards.
Best thing would have been to have OBL buried in his homeland Saudi Arabia but than again they might not have wanted him back, so if no one wants his body the US is left with little options but who really thinks they bothered? cant blame them but you should always respect the dead, no matter who they are and hopefully his body wasn't abused afterwards, it makes the alliances and especially US look disgusting like the enemy.
With all that said the next leader of Al Qaeda will step forward and so the cycle continues. OBL may be dead, he isn't alive either no conspiracy so be so fucking naive people, but more leaders will move up the ranks. He will be seen as one of the special ones in his peoples eyes from now on and inspire them further ... this is not the end but rather the beginning and as well as the whole business in North Africa - especially Libya it isn't good. Europe has been placed on high red alert from now on.
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@ Zulu:
Well ... the official story is a conspiracy theory too. The only difference between the "official story" and "conspiracy theories" are "who did it and how?". The official story fails to explain many things, and the way the whole thing was handled is very suspicious at the very least.
Discounting those who question the government and don't nod to everything the media says as "100% truth" only indicates you might be the "naive" one. The fact that most Germans believe the conspiracy story version over the official story version says a lot to me-Germans know a lot about coups on their own government by minorities in that government, we should take notice. Their former Minister of Defense gives the best account of how 9-11 happened in my opinion and he believes US Govt is the only one that could have done it. We can disagree, but no need to throw insults like "Crack Pot" around... that's when you've changed it from a difference of opinion to personal insults and attacks... no need for that is there? I've actually read the official version book.... have you? I've spent hundreds of hours (that is NOT an exaggeration) looking at claims and evidence on both sides... have you?
We're all entitled to our opinions.
Well ... the official story is a conspiracy theory too. The only difference between the "official story" and "conspiracy theories" are "who did it and how?". The official story fails to explain many things, and the way the whole thing was handled is very suspicious at the very least.
Discounting those who question the government and don't nod to everything the media says as "100% truth" only indicates you might be the "naive" one. The fact that most Germans believe the conspiracy story version over the official story version says a lot to me-Germans know a lot about coups on their own government by minorities in that government, we should take notice. Their former Minister of Defense gives the best account of how 9-11 happened in my opinion and he believes US Govt is the only one that could have done it. We can disagree, but no need to throw insults like "Crack Pot" around... that's when you've changed it from a difference of opinion to personal insults and attacks... no need for that is there? I've actually read the official version book.... have you? I've spent hundreds of hours (that is NOT an exaggeration) looking at claims and evidence on both sides... have you?
We're all entitled to our opinions.
He has brothers and sisters, some of whom didn't support his cause.bluetard117;428463 said:
Muslims require a speedy burial.bluetard117;428463 said:
Dialysis is supposed to help you live longer.bluetard117;428463 said:
You're joking right? Politicians think only of their re-election. Nothing matters more. Everything is always used to that end. To think otherwise is naive.bluetard117;428463 said:
He was not buried at sea, that was maid up, just like Obamas birth certificate. Why would they bury him at sea? The entire universe knows that a public execution (like Sadam) is what would satisfy the masses...why did they not do this? Because non of it is true. How convenient, they buried him at sea! Please!
REDZULU2003
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Mr Bin Laden was buried at sea quickly as I already explained - Islam calls for fast burials and at sea because WHO ELSE would have his body on their soil? the name, the whole aura surrounding it all would attract many undesirables. Burial at sea for a Muslim is VERY rare indeed and only would happen if they died at sea or exceptional circumstances and perhaps this is that exceptional circumstances! Does seem rushed and SURELY a video or photos were taken of OBL before he was buried?
The proof from the DNA could easily be done via living relatives, that isn't hard at all but than again you have those who doubt that. Believe as you like because the true ending is never as it seems.
Mike regarding the public execution of Saddam ... that was sick and OTT the guy has become a martyr to many who are like minded. He prayed to Allah and was deviant to the end. I dont think Saddam is worse than many dictators around the globe now who the US turns a blind eye at, but they chose Saddam for obvious reasons and made him a scape goat. Yes he did many bad things to his people and especially the Kurds but did he deserve such a public poorly ran execution? the rope wasn't even cut to his height or in relation to the drop point and hence why he was decapitated.
Doing a public execution to OBL would have created allot of hatred Mike and if you cant see that than you seriously need to think about the world outside the USA because it would bring many no pleasure seeing that, despite him doing what he has been alleged of plotting and though many say inside job so doesn't that make OBL innocent? lol also the 'mission' was to kill OBL by Navy seals, not capture.
If one is to go on witch hunts lets have Bush and Blair in line as-well. They created much mayhem in this world now incl two invasions still ongoing. I do not condone terrorist at all and they must face justice but I despise hypocrites and the western governments are filled with it ... Libya is a disgrace how its panning out.
Regarding Obama's birth certificate OMFG I laughed so hard when I heard this shit earlier SERIOUSLY do you people in the US think Obama is not a US citizen? Would they be saying this if he wasn't WASN'T black? come on lets be honest. He was born in Hawaii to a white mother and Kenyan father so in reality he not from the mainland but Hawaii is a US state so it counts as USA but folk still say he's not American like that Trump dude! Seriously this should have been cleared up WAY before he got in office, get a grip America this guy is running your country and sadly practically most of the world, yet now nearly 3 years in office you wonder if he is American? what crap. Only in America as they say.
So back on topic and sorry for going off. OBL being dead. I belive it has occured, no not naive from media because its all over the web aswell with his own people saying he has died. As I said its what happens next. I hope the people of NY and those who lost people in the 9/11 do find a closure from his death and I dont blame them for celebrating, go for it but dont think this is the end of it .. I wish it was but it will spur them on further and why Europe is on red alert ATM.
Best idea would be to get out of Libya and start a withdrawal in Afghanistan now ... apparently we (NATO) went into Afghanistan to hunt OBL down, so technically doesn't this mean our mission has ended in that place? sounds to me like it has but we can provide support to the people as we leave so we aren't leaving them in the shit.
The proof from the DNA could easily be done via living relatives, that isn't hard at all but than again you have those who doubt that. Believe as you like because the true ending is never as it seems.
Mike regarding the public execution of Saddam ... that was sick and OTT the guy has become a martyr to many who are like minded. He prayed to Allah and was deviant to the end. I dont think Saddam is worse than many dictators around the globe now who the US turns a blind eye at, but they chose Saddam for obvious reasons and made him a scape goat. Yes he did many bad things to his people and especially the Kurds but did he deserve such a public poorly ran execution? the rope wasn't even cut to his height or in relation to the drop point and hence why he was decapitated.
Doing a public execution to OBL would have created allot of hatred Mike and if you cant see that than you seriously need to think about the world outside the USA because it would bring many no pleasure seeing that, despite him doing what he has been alleged of plotting and though many say inside job so doesn't that make OBL innocent? lol also the 'mission' was to kill OBL by Navy seals, not capture.
If one is to go on witch hunts lets have Bush and Blair in line as-well. They created much mayhem in this world now incl two invasions still ongoing. I do not condone terrorist at all and they must face justice but I despise hypocrites and the western governments are filled with it ... Libya is a disgrace how its panning out.
Regarding Obama's birth certificate OMFG I laughed so hard when I heard this shit earlier SERIOUSLY do you people in the US think Obama is not a US citizen? Would they be saying this if he wasn't WASN'T black? come on lets be honest. He was born in Hawaii to a white mother and Kenyan father so in reality he not from the mainland but Hawaii is a US state so it counts as USA but folk still say he's not American like that Trump dude! Seriously this should have been cleared up WAY before he got in office, get a grip America this guy is running your country and sadly practically most of the world, yet now nearly 3 years in office you wonder if he is American? what crap. Only in America as they say.
So back on topic and sorry for going off. OBL being dead. I belive it has occured, no not naive from media because its all over the web aswell with his own people saying he has died. As I said its what happens next. I hope the people of NY and those who lost people in the 9/11 do find a closure from his death and I dont blame them for celebrating, go for it but dont think this is the end of it .. I wish it was but it will spur them on further and why Europe is on red alert ATM.
Best idea would be to get out of Libya and start a withdrawal in Afghanistan now ... apparently we (NATO) went into Afghanistan to hunt OBL down, so technically doesn't this mean our mission has ended in that place? sounds to me like it has but we can provide support to the people as we leave so we aren't leaving them in the shit.
Youre missing the point zulu. The reach our CIA has is beyond what you can imagine, it certainly goes into Al Qaeda... the CIA created Al Qaeda, remember? So for you to argue that "since his own people believe it, it must be true" is a fallacy to me, that is not logical reasoning at all. So if you believe anything about this, you ARE believing "the media". You know what "media" means right? Good, then you realize I didn't just mean fox news, I meant all mediums, including the WEB. There is no logic to the secrecy that occurred here and to argue that "well, he's a muslim so they had to bury him quick" is RIDICULOUS, you seriously think our government was concerned about his spiritual habits and beliefs and THAT is the reasoning behind the "quick burial"??? Please stop and think about it for a minute and ask yourself how considerate the US Government has been to others, including its own population historically....
Sorry, but those "it's cuz he's Muslim guys" comments are hilarious-I just can't find the appropriate word, so that will have to do.
Sorry, but those "it's cuz he's Muslim guys" comments are hilarious-I just can't find the appropriate word, so that will have to do.
REDZULU2003
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If your version of events are real than that would mean the US of A has murdered not only its own people in 9/11 but killed many nationalities and hence should have been put to the sword and not the Iraq and Afghanistan. The guys who flew the planes into the towers were they on the CIA parole? wasn't the building blew up though via controlled explosion? why would the USA do this to its own people? really WHY? no one can keep such a huge plan like that air tight for long and Bush was a complete moron with not enough intelligence to arrange a piss up in a brewery.
All these old wives tales as I call them that conspiracy theorists invent and fantasise about just help OBL's motley crew more because they can hide behind that alongwith twisting religion to extremes. So its actually helping them by deflecting attention onto the nation attacked which is wrong. I have heard more bullshit that the London bombings were planned by the British government ... I have seen many reports and videos from various sources arguing the case but it didnt convince me nor did the Madrid bombing conspiracy.
That would have the USA, UK and Spain all plotting terror attacks on their own people in their own countries so they can I assume, blame terrorists like OBL of doing it? Utter shiet in my opinion and I wont have it. If that is true than we may as well all take up arms and get our fucking governments out of power like Oliver Cromwell did with the Monarchy WAY BACK in England as they had too much power he had the kings head chopped off through a civil war and this has given the UK to this day more freedom from the monarchy who rules hard 100's of years back.
Again all these fantasy tales of inside jobs is just deflecting the real attention from the real scum bags and merely creating more disillusion and hatred towards our own people and society which causes more turmoil and is what the enemy wants but than again to the conspiracy nutter the enemy is the state!
Also all this talk about oil doesn't cut it with me, sure to some extent but the conspiracy theorists use that too much.
Many terrorist organisations exist in the world, not just Al Qaeda who are the least of many's concerns but also groups in the past like the IRA. Do you think they were set-up by the British government to kill its own people? seriously I appreciate everyone has an opinion and right to express a view but I for one wont change mine on what I know from many sources.
Too many conspiracy theorists around who think Aliens live at Area 51 and other crap like that. Many actually also reckon Princess Diana was assassinated by the British government because she was engaged to a Muslim.
At the end of the day this war on terror which is laughable when the nations touting that are inflicting much more terror in foreign lands incl the UK, it will never end until the western leaders especially more so the US and UK finally see they are not the owners of this world and need to back the fuck off from other peoples disputes ... they do this already with the Jews in Israel! The senate though is mostly Jew, your country is so highly corrupt is SICK and yet the world is helpless in many cases against you as you have so much power and the UK governments never has the balls to say NO.
I respect the Russians, Germans and Chinese for saying no and staying out of the recent trouble in Libya. Weather OBL is real, existed, is dead or has been created by the CIA doesn't matter in so much as that this trouble will escalate and its the ordinary person like you and I who take the sharp end of the knife!
All these old wives tales as I call them that conspiracy theorists invent and fantasise about just help OBL's motley crew more because they can hide behind that alongwith twisting religion to extremes. So its actually helping them by deflecting attention onto the nation attacked which is wrong. I have heard more bullshit that the London bombings were planned by the British government ... I have seen many reports and videos from various sources arguing the case but it didnt convince me nor did the Madrid bombing conspiracy.
That would have the USA, UK and Spain all plotting terror attacks on their own people in their own countries so they can I assume, blame terrorists like OBL of doing it? Utter shiet in my opinion and I wont have it. If that is true than we may as well all take up arms and get our fucking governments out of power like Oliver Cromwell did with the Monarchy WAY BACK in England as they had too much power he had the kings head chopped off through a civil war and this has given the UK to this day more freedom from the monarchy who rules hard 100's of years back.
Again all these fantasy tales of inside jobs is just deflecting the real attention from the real scum bags and merely creating more disillusion and hatred towards our own people and society which causes more turmoil and is what the enemy wants but than again to the conspiracy nutter the enemy is the state!
Also all this talk about oil doesn't cut it with me, sure to some extent but the conspiracy theorists use that too much.
Many terrorist organisations exist in the world, not just Al Qaeda who are the least of many's concerns but also groups in the past like the IRA. Do you think they were set-up by the British government to kill its own people? seriously I appreciate everyone has an opinion and right to express a view but I for one wont change mine on what I know from many sources.
Too many conspiracy theorists around who think Aliens live at Area 51 and other crap like that. Many actually also reckon Princess Diana was assassinated by the British government because she was engaged to a Muslim.
At the end of the day this war on terror which is laughable when the nations touting that are inflicting much more terror in foreign lands incl the UK, it will never end until the western leaders especially more so the US and UK finally see they are not the owners of this world and need to back the fuck off from other peoples disputes ... they do this already with the Jews in Israel! The senate though is mostly Jew, your country is so highly corrupt is SICK and yet the world is helpless in many cases against you as you have so much power and the UK governments never has the balls to say NO.
I respect the Russians, Germans and Chinese for saying no and staying out of the recent trouble in Libya. Weather OBL is real, existed, is dead or has been created by the CIA doesn't matter in so much as that this trouble will escalate and its the ordinary person like you and I who take the sharp end of the knife!
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