If the people of New Orleans were white middle class Americans, would they still be sinking into a hell hole?
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New Orleans
If you're so concerned why don't you go down and help?
Would do mean man trying ...to understand
There was a riot on the streets
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was the liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
(Cuz' as long as I'm alive, I'ma live ill B)
When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
The moral, if I lived down there I would have a lot of stuff.
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was the liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
(Cuz' as long as I'm alive, I'ma live ill B)
When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
The moral, if I lived down there I would have a lot of stuff.
Yes they would be sinking in a hole. If the government gets bigger under the influence of corporate interest, which is exactly what you SHOULD be seeing happening today.. the only way to complete such a task would be to destroy the middle class citizens.
The middle class citizens are the only competetion for the government. So if most white americans ARE middle class, then yes they too would be targets. The best targets would be young people as this usually angers the nation.
People need to keep it out of race issues or left and right issues and understand that everyone is the same and potentially at risk.
The middle class citizens are the only competetion for the government. So if most white americans ARE middle class, then yes they too would be targets. The best targets would be young people as this usually angers the nation.
People need to keep it out of race issues or left and right issues and understand that everyone is the same and potentially at risk.
yOUR one paranoid person. I'm middle class and I'm offended and appoled at your threats to my class. Stand down. Protecting middle class everywhere.Duppi_KronKite said:Yes they would be sinking in a hole. If the government gets bigger under the influence of corporate interest, which is exactly what you SHOULD be seeing happening today.. the only way to complete such a task would be to destroy the middle class citizens.
The middle class citizens are the only competetion for the government. So if most white americans ARE middle class, then yes they too would be targets. The best targets would be young people as this usually angers the nation.
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A lot of the people there now either had no way of getting out or nowhere to go. I'm sure some stayed back, knowing they'd be able to pillage the place afterwards. It only takes a few asswipes to screw things up. I think that's what's happening there now. Race has nothing to do with it. You got a lot of desperate people with nowhere to go. The majority have been civil.
Personally, I don't know what I would do if my house, some friends, family members, all my possesions, just one day got wiped out overnight. And then all I did for the next couple days was wait around with thousands of other people in the same situation with no food, water, etc.
The Government dropped the ball on this one, both at the state and federal level. That idiot in charge of FEMA, in the interviews I seen of him, looked like he was totally clueless on what to do in a disaster such as this. He had more excuses than solutions.
Everyone know how bad this storm was going to be, but didn't prepare one bit for it. Where are all our naval vessels? The other day they said the only one 'in range' of NO was the USS Battan. Where the hell are our Carrier Groups at? I know we have at least 15 such groups, maybe even a couple more than that. One of our most important naval ports and only ONE warship within a couple days' range of it? I think even Bush mentioned today he wasn't happy with the response.
Personally, I don't know what I would do if my house, some friends, family members, all my possesions, just one day got wiped out overnight. And then all I did for the next couple days was wait around with thousands of other people in the same situation with no food, water, etc.
The Government dropped the ball on this one, both at the state and federal level. That idiot in charge of FEMA, in the interviews I seen of him, looked like he was totally clueless on what to do in a disaster such as this. He had more excuses than solutions.
Everyone know how bad this storm was going to be, but didn't prepare one bit for it. Where are all our naval vessels? The other day they said the only one 'in range' of NO was the USS Battan. Where the hell are our Carrier Groups at? I know we have at least 15 such groups, maybe even a couple more than that. One of our most important naval ports and only ONE warship within a couple days' range of it? I think even Bush mentioned today he wasn't happy with the response.
Duppi_KronKite said:Yes they would be sinking in a hole. If the government gets bigger under the influence of corporate interest, which is exactly what you SHOULD be seeing happening today.. the only way to complete such a task would be to destroy the middle class citizens.
The middle class citizens are the only competetion for the government. So if most white americans ARE middle class, then yes they too would be targets. The best targets would be young people as this usually angers the nation.
People need to keep it out of race issues or left and right issues and understand that everyone is the same and potentially at risk.
It is interesting that the majority of the people still there are not white. Regardless of the population's overall makeup of race/color. It still remains that most of those people still there weren't exactly upper or even middle class. The storm wasn't discriminative, but the way the evacuations were conducted and precautions prior to the storm might as well have been.
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goinfor11x7 said:If the people of New Orleans were white middle class Americans, would they still be sinking into a hell hole?
I have another question. If it were Beverley Hills or Hollywood, would Bush be faster on the draw to help? Let's see, he has no problem sending 130,000 of our soliders overseas, but we don't even have control of the streets of New Orleans? I guess Iraq is more important.
Kal-el said:I have another question. If it were Beverley Hills or Hollywood, would Bush be faster on the draw to help? Let's see, he has no problem sending 130,000 of our soliders overseas, but we don't even have control of the streets of New Orleans? I guess Iraq is more important.
I hope you don't think it took 4 days to deploy everyone to Iraq, and I hope you don't think everything there got fixed in 4 days either. What are YOU doing to help the hurricane victims?
Dashdeming
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goinfor11x7 said:If the people of New Orleans were white middle class Americans, would they still be sinking into a hell hole?
The answer is no. The white middle class white americans got out well before the storm and are watching this disaster on TV like the rest of us.
The primary failing is that the New Orleans city government knew for years that this disaster would one day come, however, they made the choice over and over to spend citzen tax dollars on entertainment related improvements for the betterment of the the local businesses whom influence the politicians. THe money should have been spent on correcting the levies and disaster preparedness. For goodness sake they didn't even have a satellite phone to communicate with when the disaster hit.
Is this a race issue? No way. The secondary failing with this issue is the governor of Louisiana did not act before the storm and stage federal and state rescue outside the perimeter. There was all kinds of notice to do this but they didn't. Then, with no means of communication, no one knew right away exactly how bad the issue is.
And third, rescuing one person takes a prescribed amount of time. Rescuing 100,000 person takes 100,000 times as much time. You can only do it as fast as one rescue when you have 100,000 rescue teams. Even if you had 100,000 rescue teams, you couldn't work them all in a concentrated area.
Last comment, it is not middle class americans that are shooting at the rescue teams and causing huge delays in rescue.
Question: Why did the Army of Engineers build the levees to withstand a cat. 3 storm when the possibility of a cat. 4 or higher was well within the realm of possibility?
Economics? Cost effective? Politics?
How much you want to bet when they pump the water out, and start doing a body count, most of the dead will be the elderly, the sick, small children and infants--those least able to take care of themselves?
Economics? Cost effective? Politics?
How much you want to bet when they pump the water out, and start doing a body count, most of the dead will be the elderly, the sick, small children and infants--those least able to take care of themselves?
Why did the government cut funding towards building levees and dykes in that area by more than 90% in the last year?
Why deny the aid from other nations who want to bring filters so people have clean water?
Why did they not stop the rebels right away instead of waiting until things got completely out of hand and then declare Martial Law?
Do they cut funding to protect the land, deny aid from other nations and let rebels get out of hand because it is fun to watch?
If the current government can't help this situation and can't control the rebels the only solution would be to have a bigger government with bigger police and military forces.
That would solve the problem...
Why deny the aid from other nations who want to bring filters so people have clean water?
Why did they not stop the rebels right away instead of waiting until things got completely out of hand and then declare Martial Law?
Do they cut funding to protect the land, deny aid from other nations and let rebels get out of hand because it is fun to watch?
If the current government can't help this situation and can't control the rebels the only solution would be to have a bigger government with bigger police and military forces.
That would solve the problem...
Dashdeming said:The answer is no. The white middle class white americans got out well before the storm and are watching this disaster on TV like the rest of us.
The primary failing is that the New Orleans city government knew for years that this disaster would one day come, however, they made the choice over and over to spend citzen tax dollars on entertainment related improvements for the betterment of the the local businesses whom influence the politicians. THe money should have been spent on correcting the levies and disaster preparedness. For goodness sake they didn't even have a satellite phone to communicate with when the disaster hit.
Is this a race issue? No way. The secondary failing with this issue is the governor of Louisiana did not act before the storm and stage federal and state rescue outside the perimeter. There was all kinds of notice to do this but they didn't. Then, with no means of communication, no one knew right away exactly how bad the issue is.
And third, rescuing one person takes a prescribed amount of time. Rescuing 100,000 person takes 100,000 times as much time. You can only do it as fast as one rescue when you have 100,000 rescue teams. Even if you had 100,000 rescue teams, you couldn't work them all in a concentrated area.
Last comment, it is not middle class americans that are shooting at the rescue teams and causing huge delays in rescue.
I wouldn't throw out a comment like that last one unless you were ever in that situation where everything you own and people you love don't have food or water and basically can't leave and no one seems to be showing up to help. I don't blame people for "looting". The insurance costs for everyone else will go up regardless and some businesses will never recover and possibly never reopen, but survival is the only thing that mattered. When faced with devestation some people regardless of class or whatever will resort to the most vile things. The rapings, shootings, and other high crimes are inexcusable, but honestly the point is the evacuations and preparedness for such a natural disaster were atrocious and unforgivable. The amount money that was asked for repeatedly by the military to work on the things that could have prevented such a fate after the fact was never even approached by our government. The wetlands were fucked and developed and you can blame all sorts of idiotic policies and priorities by the administration, FEMA, the mayor of New Orleans in particular, and corporations for this mess. It was completely avoidable and now how many people have died needlessly? The people that were basically given little to no chance of actually evacuating happened to be of the poor variety. It's ALWAYS that way.
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"The people that were basically given little or no chance of actually evacuating happened to be of the poor variety. It's ALWAYS that way."
...Doubledamn!!!
...Doubledamn!!!
Buddy says It happend to New Orleans because of Martygraw (however you spell it) Fat Tuesday. Like a modern Sodom and Gamorrah.
Saw a thread like this in another forum manifest in a Bush bash too. Its easy for you to sit back and point your fingers eh? Many were fools for not leaving and I only have pity on those that couldn't, primarily the elderly and sick. Stop the rebels right away eh duppi? Shoot to kill a few to control the chaos and then hear you complain about that? Police get sniped at and helicopters shot at and you have the nerve to say they should have acted quicker? Pfft. First concerns were rescue. Should they not have been?
So easy to criticize.
If you didn't see some of the morally, socially, criminally poor check out this putfile clip.
So easy to criticize.
If you didn't see some of the morally, socially, criminally poor check out this putfile clip.
Dashdeming
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iwant8inches said:I wouldn't throw out a comment like that last one unless you were ever in that situation where everything you own and people you love don't have food or water and basically can't leave and no one seems to be showing up to help. I don't blame people for "looting". The insurance costs for everyone else will go up regardless and some businesses will never recover and possibly never reopen, but survival is the only thing that mattered. When faced with devestation some people regardless of class or whatever will resort to the most vile things. The rapings, shootings, and other high crimes are inexcusable, but honestly the point is the evacuations and preparedness for such a natural disaster were atrocious and unforgivable. The amount money that was asked for repeatedly by the military to work on the things that could have prevented such a fate after the fact was never even approached by our government. The wetlands were fucked and developed and you can blame all sorts of idiotic policies and priorities by the administration, FEMA, the mayor of New Orleans in particular, and corporations for this mess. It was completely avoidable and now how many people have died needlessly? The people that were basically given little to no chance of actually evacuating happened to be of the poor variety. It's ALWAYS that way.
I have been in the zone already and I know what I saw and what the 100's of devistated people told me directly. The good people were in that situation and not shooting at the help. It is a couple of gangs of thugs that are roaming the streets in the darkness of night and doing all of the terrible criminal acts. These acts have nothing to do with forcing these thugs to do these things for survival. It is all about taking advantage of a bad situation and doing exactly what they already had been doing to a much lesser scale. Thse people were evil before the event and are ruthless with the lights out and little police available. I am headed back into the north side today and will stay for about 58 hours to provide support. Pray for me please.
against_odds21 said:Saw a thread like this in another forum manifest in a Bush bash too. Its easy for you to sit back and point your fingers eh? Many were fools for not leaving and I only have pity on those that couldn't, primarily the elderly and sick. Stop the rebels right away eh duppi? Shoot to kill a few to control the chaos and then hear you complain about that? Police get sniped at and helicopters shot at and you have the nerve to say they should have acted quicker? Pfft. First concerns were rescue. Should they not have been?
So easy to criticize.
If you didn't see some of the morally, socially, criminally poor check out this putfile clip.
Im not complaining. Like I said before I am prepared. Just thought I'd share the valuable lesson that was learned here. The government isnt going to save you as most of you seem to believe.
Once things really start getting bad the police/military are not going to help you so all you can do is be prepared to help yourself.
If a nuke went off in a metro city tonight and you weren't in that city would you say people could have escaped?
I know I use the nuke scenario lots but when you hear officials constantly referring to it, you can get the iage its in the brewing.