ManPlan86 Routine and Progress

Questions for the vets on supplements if you dont mind. @Haursen @oldandlively what are your thoughts on what I have been taking?

I mentioned above I was taking a supplement to improve EQ and hopefully keep good blood flow and healing nutrition.

Serving size is 4 Soft Gels/day


Amount per serving breakdown is:
L-Citruline 1500mg
MCT oil 1000mg
Pumpkin Oil 1000mg
Velvet Bean Extract 400mg
Gingko Extract 120mg
L-Theanine 100mg
Theobromine 92mg
Asian Ginseng extract 80mg
Cayenne Powder 60mg
Superoxide Dismutase 50mg
BioPerine Complex 6mg

Are these all good and at appropriate dose levels, I think some like L-Citruline might be on the low side from what I have read other brothers are using?

I will be done with two week break this Saturday and plan to open a new bottle then.

I also started taking a horny goat weed with Maca supplement this last Sunday trying to improve the EQ. 3 days in and it seems to be improving a little.

Breakdown on that one is as follows:

Horny Goat weed extract 500mg
Maca Extract 150mg
Tribulus Terrestris Extract 100mg
Yohimbe Extract 40mg
L-Arginine HCI 40mg

What are thoughts on combining the two supplements?

I also daily take D3, Zinc, Magnesium, B12, multivitamin, and Vitamin C.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Morning routine:

In front of space heater:
5 minutes Jelq
5 minutes SSJ

4 sets pumping over 30 minutes in 1.75" inch cylinder-Climb to 5Hg within first minute, creap up to 8Hg in second minute, stay at 8Hg for 3 minutes. Kegel and reverse Kegel during. Slow release back down to 3Hg and start again for next set.

Small rest with light massage, kegel and SSJ then 5th set with 2" cylinder for 4 minute creep up to 10Hg.

Rest and massage then 6th set just cause I wanted to experiment back to 1.75" cylinder after squeezing and massaging. Barely fit and had to go in semi erect.

6th set lasted 10 minutes, and got pressure up to 5Hg and then slow creeped for a minute up to 8Hg. Held 8Hg for a minute then slowly up to 9Hg for 30 seconds, back down to 8Hg for a minute, then continued the up to 9Hg and back down to 8Hg remainder of 10 minutes.

On the sixth set, I was the closest to 8" length I have been, just over 7.75". Coming out, I was super fat but not feeling any fluid retention.

Put on the C-ring and warmed down in the shower to get ready for work.

Silistretcher on for the day after shower.
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This is my standard morning routine.

Sometimes cut down without 5th and 6th pump with 2" cylinder depending on how much time I have in my morning.

Silistretcher on every morning and on all day until I take off pants at end of day.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Questions for the vets on supplements if you dont mind. @Haursen @oldandlively what are your thoughts on what I have been taking?

I mentioned above I was taking a supplement to improve EQ and hopefully keep good blood flow and healing nutrition.

Serving size is 4 Soft Gels/day


Amount per serving breakdown is:
L-Citruline 1500mg
MCT oil 1000mg
Pumpkin Oil 1000mg
Velvet Bean Extract 400mg
Gingko Extract 120mg
L-Theanine 100mg
Theobromine 92mg
Asian Ginseng extract 80mg
Cayenne Powder 60mg
Superoxide Dismutase 50mg
BioPerine Complex 6mg

Are these all good and at appropriate dose levels, I think some like L-Citruline might be on the low side from what I have read other brothers are using?

I will be done with two week break this Saturday and plan to open a new bottle then.

I also started taking a horny goat weed with Maca supplement this last Sunday trying to improve the EQ. 3 days in and it seems to be improving a little.

Breakdown on that one is as follows:

Horny Goat weed extract 500mg
Maca Extract 150mg
Tribulus Terrestris Extract 100mg
Yohimbe Extract 40mg
L-Arginine HCI 40mg

What are thoughts on combining the two supplements?

I also daily take D3, Zinc, Magnesium, B12, multivitamin, and Vitamin C.
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Thank you kindly for asking for my opinion. I'm honored!

Whoa...like Sage @oldandlively will most likely say that's a lot of supps.

I am gathering that your EQ has been hit lately? If so, what are your negative stress levels been like? Have you felt rushed to make love to your wife?

Regarding the supps (if this were me), I would focus on what I call the foundations (the non-negotiables): multivitamin (preferably organic and whole food), whey protein (preferably grass fed and organic), and creatine (preferably creapure).

Then start slowly testing the other supplements by adding one at a time. You will need to experiment on what makes an impact and what doesn't. My concern is that most supps may compete with others or you will lose a lot through urination.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Questions for the vets on supplements if you dont mind. @Haursen @oldandlively what are your thoughts on what I have been taking?

I mentioned above I was taking a supplement to improve EQ and hopefully keep good blood flow and healing nutrition.

Serving size is 4 Soft Gels/day


Amount per serving breakdown is:
L-Citruline 1500mg
MCT oil 1000mg
Pumpkin Oil 1000mg
Velvet Bean Extract 400mg
Gingko Extract 120mg
L-Theanine 100mg
Theobromine 92mg
Asian Ginseng extract 80mg
Cayenne Powder 60mg
Superoxide Dismutase 50mg
BioPerine Complex 6mg

Are these all good and at appropriate dose levels, I think some like L-Citruline might be on the low side from what I have read other brothers are using?

I will be done with two week break this Saturday and plan to open a new bottle then.

I also started taking a horny goat weed with Maca supplement this last Sunday trying to improve the EQ. 3 days in and it seems to be improving a little.

Breakdown on that one is as follows:

Horny Goat weed extract 500mg
Maca Extract 150mg
Tribulus Terrestris Extract 100mg
Yohimbe Extract 40mg
L-Arginine HCI 40mg

What are thoughts on combining the two supplements?

I also daily take D3, Zinc, Magnesium, B12, multivitamin, and Vitamin C.
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As brother @Haursen indicated, foundation supplements are the keys to your system's overall sustainability. What you system don't need, it will be flushed out in access after it takes in all the necessary bioavailability loading. Example, say your body is in need of L-Arginine at 300mg, where it combines with other interactive supplements such as D3, zinc, B12, and VitC, the system will carry an extra payload of 150mg for bioavalability, and flush out the rest. If you consume 500mg, the remaining 50 is pushed out by the system.

Now, let's break things down a bit more.

L-citrulline is in competition with L-Arginine HCl. So, taking that extra doesn't mean much. L-Citrulline malate is much more readily absorble and easier conversion by the system than L-citrulline and/or L-arginine alone or in combo.

Pumpkin anything will be in conflict with the Maca extract.

Horny Goat Extract contains phytoestrogen, with will cause a decrease of bioavailable testosterone, which is also responsible for your EQ.

In regards to L-theanine, theobromine, and bioperine complex, great combo to take. If that's the case, HMB and daily dose of around 1600IU to 2000IU of VitD3 will boost the uptake of all these to synergize everything. Magnesium (hopefully it's in a citrate or higher absorbable form) will assist in delivering the components faster. I may even suggest a touch of 300mg of potassium to balance out with magnesium and B12 combo. Switch the B12 to B12 complex to cover your bases.

I may be missing something here. Sorry, I'm on vacation mode and I can't seem to switch gears to full scientific mode at the moment.
 
Haursen said:
Thank you kindly for asking for my opinion. I'm honored!

Whoa...like Sage @oldandlively will most likely say that's a lot of supps.

I am gathering that your EQ has been hit lately? If so, what are your negative stress levels been like? Have you felt rushed to make love to your wife?

Regarding the supps (if this were me), I would focus on what I call the foundations (the non-negotiables): multivitamin (preferably organic and whole food), whey protein (preferably grass fed and organic), and creatine (preferably creapure).

Then start slowly testing the other supplements by adding one at a time. You will need to experiment on what makes an impact and what doesn't. My concern is that most supps may compete with others or you will lose a lot through urination.
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Thanks for the reply. I follow your progress thread and know you are a supplement guy and why reinvent the wheel myself if there are those much smarter than I am!

I dont take all of these as one offs, I broke down what is in the off the shelf libido I was taking for 90 days, and the the horny goat weed which I picked up to give a try just this week which has the Maca and other add ins.

I have been a vitamin guy long before my PE journey started, and specifically take the vitamin D3 because the sun doesnt provide enough where I live up north. Have taken a multi vitamin and C for years just for good health. Zinc and magnesium I got after during Covid. Any yes, I even used ivermectin for a short time...:)

To answer your questions. Yes, EQ feels challenged. Waking up with morning wood happens rarely if ever. I can get hard after waking up a bit and going in to my morning routine but it's not as longlasting.

Not so much negative stress, more sadness or feeling of rejection from the wife. No ability to even rush sex as there hasn't been any in probably two months or so. Last sexual anything with her was two weeks ago and she rushed a hand job while we were on vacation. I was able to get to 95% hard or so then.

So you recommend dropping the extra supplements completely and starting whey protein and creatine?
 
oldandlively said:
As brother @Haursen indicated, foundation supplements are the keys to your system's overall sustainability. What you system don't need, it will be flushed out in access after it takes in all the necessary bioavailability loading. Example, say your body is in need of L-Arginine at 300mg, where it combines with other interactive supplements such as D3, zinc, B12, and VitC, the system will carry an extra payload of 150mg for bioavalability, and flush out the rest. If you consume 500mg, the remaining 50 is pushed out by the system.

Now, let's break things down a bit more.

L-citrulline is in competition with L-Arginine HCl. So, taking that extra doesn't mean much. L-Citrulline malate is much more readily absorble and easier conversion by the system than L-citrulline and/or L-arginine alone or in combo.

Pumpkin anything will be in conflict with the Maca extract.

Horny Goat Extract contains phytoestrogen, with will cause a decrease of bioavailable testosterone, which is also responsible for your EQ.

In regards to L-theanine, theobromine, and bioperine complex, great combo to take. If that's the case, HMB and daily dose of around 1600IU to 2000IU of VitD3 will boost the uptake of all these to synergize everything. Magnesium (hopefully it's in a citrate or higher absorbable form) will assist in delivering the components faster. I may even suggest a touch of 300mg of potassium to balance out with magnesium and B12 combo. Switch the B12 to B12 complex to cover your bases.

I may be missing something here. Sorry, I'm on vacation mode and I can't seem to switch gears to full scientific mode at the moment.
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As always, I appreciate the thoroughness of your response! I think I need to reread a couple times and after a night of sleep so I can process it all correctly and ask coherent questions!
 
ManPlan86 said:
To answer your questions. Yes, EQ feels challenged. Waking up with morning wood happens rarely if ever. I can get hard after waking up a bit and going in to my morning routine but it's not as longlasting.

Not so much negative stress, more sadness or feeling of rejection from the wife. No ability to even rush sex as there hasn't been any in probably two months or so. Last sexual anything with her was two weeks ago and she rushed a hand job while we were on vacation. I was able to get to 95% hard or so then.

So you recommend dropping the extra supplements completely and starting whey protein and creatine?
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Until you and your wife repair any riffs between each other, your EQ may continue to flatline. There is a reason why God said husband and wife are one flesh.

I suggest the multi, protein, creatine, and magnesium (another non-negotiable) for a few weeks and observe how your body responds.

I am the podcast king and can point to episodes on marriage help, protein, creatine, etc.

I'm here to help.🤓

P.S. I highly recommend my secret weapon... Perplexity AI... fantastic research assistant to use for Android, Apple, or the web. I have created folders (aka collections) on PE, supplements, women personas, etc. for personal research. It's like having your own personal @oldandlively at your fingertips! 😅

P.P.S. How is your sleep as well?
 
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Haursen said:
Until you and your wife repair any riffs between each other, your EQ may continue to flatline. There is a reason why God said husband and wife are one flesh.

I suggest the multi, protein, creatine, and magnesium (another non-negotiable) for a few weeks and observe how your body responds.

I am the podcast king and can point to episodes on marriage help, protein, creatine, etc.

I'm here to help.🤓

P.S. I highly recommend my secret weapon... Perplexity AI... fantastic research assistant to use for Android, Apple, or the web. I have created folders (aka collections) on PE, supplements, women personas, etc. for personal research. It's like having your own personal @oldandlively at your fingertips! 😅

P.P.S. How is your sleep as well?
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As a Christian, I agree with the need to be one flesh. It's strange, as we dont have any riff going on per se, she just doesn't initiate and is not receptive to me. Almost like she has lost all desire to have intimacy or physical affection. I do think the sadness or disappointment I feel does impact my EQ.

We have a specialty health food store near by, I will work in a visit there to see about picking up a good protein and creatine supplement. I have always understood both to be used when doing more heavy weightlifting and full body workouts which I have to be honest, I dont make time for currently. I hadnt considered them before as I wasn't doing heavy workouts other than PE and regular daily exercise.

I have purchased and completed some Christian mens studies as well as more secular pod casts over the last year during my time of focus on self improvement. If you could message me any podcasts that you have found helpful or insightful I will definitely check them out.

I have just recently started dipping my toes in to the world of AI, will have to check out perplexity.

Sleep has been so-so... sometimes I spend hours laying in bed trying to fall asleep and get 4 hours or so. Last couple nights have been better and I have got 7-8 hours with usually one pee break somewhere in the middle of the night.
 
ManPlan86 said:
As a Christian, I agree with the need to be one flesh. It's strange, as we dont have any riff going on per se, she just doesn't initiate and is not receptive to me. Almost like she has lost all desire to have intimacy or physical affection. I do think the sadness or disappointment I feel does impact my EQ.

We have a specialty health food store near by, I will work in a visit there to see about picking up a good protein and creatine supplement. I have always understood both to be used when doing more heavy weightlifting and full body workouts which I have to be honest, I dont make time for currently. I hadnt considered them before as I wasn't doing heavy workouts other than PE and regular daily exercise.

I have purchased and completed some Christian mens studies as well as more secular pod casts over the last year during my time of focus on self improvement. If you could message me any podcasts that you have found helpful or insightful I will definitely check them out.

I have just recently started dipping my toes in to the world of AI, will have to check out perplexity.

Sleep has been so-so... sometimes I spend hours laying in bed trying to fall asleep and get 4 hours or so. Last couple nights have been better and I have got 7-8 hours with usually one pee break somewhere in the middle of the night.I
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❤️❤️❤️ all praise Jesus
 
ManPlan86 said:
As a Christian, I agree with the need to be one flesh. It's strange, as we dont have any riff going on per se, she just doesn't initiate and is not receptive to me. Almost like she has lost all desire to have intimacy or physical affection. I do think the sadness or disappointment I feel does impact my EQ.

We have a specialty health food store near by, I will work in a visit there to see about picking up a good protein and creatine supplement. I have always understood both to be used when doing more heavy weightlifting and full body workouts which I have to be honest, I dont make time for currently. I hadnt considered them before as I wasn't doing heavy workouts other than PE and regular daily exercise.

I have purchased and completed some Christian mens studies as well as more secular pod casts over the last year during my time of focus on self improvement. If you could message me any podcasts that you have found helpful or insightful I will definitely check them out.

I have just recently started dipping my toes in to the world of AI, will have to check out perplexity.

Sleep has been so-so... sometimes I spend hours laying in bed trying to fall asleep and get 4 hours or so. Last couple nights have been better and I have got 7-8 hours with usually one pee break somewhere in the middle of the night.
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Since the private messaging is not working, I'll post here because the information may help other committed married men here at MOS:

Podcast Recommendations:
  • Get Your Marriage On - Christian Sex podcast (all are decent...I highly recommend the episode about being a sexual overfunctioner)
  • Wise Traditions - This episode about strength because Dr. Gabrielle Lyon talks about protein.
  • Dr. Gabrielle Lyon episodes:
  • Save The Marriage podcast (all episodes are excellent)
 
Haursen said:
Since the private messaging is not working, I'll post here because the information may help other committed married men here at MOS:

Podcast Recommendations:
  • Get Your Marriage On - Christian Sex podcast (all are decent...I highly recommend the episode about being a sexual overfunctioner)
  • Wise Traditions - This episode about strength because Dr. Gabrielle Lyon talks about protein.
  • Dr. Gabrielle Lyon episodes:
  • Save The Marriage podcast (all episodes are excellent)
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Just watched episode of sexual overachiever for the second time. Have 7 pages of notes and thoughts I wrote down.
 
DLD said:
Yes I would love to read them
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Here is my best attempt:

Are you a sexual Over-Functioner or Under-Functioner?

Intimate marriages are like a system. Think of a heating and cooling system, and how it is regulated by a thermostat. Finding that perfect temperature means that both the heating and cooling system need to be functioning. If there is too much heat, the temperature is too hot. Same can be said for too much cold, it becomes chilly. Adding more heat will not cool down the temperature, and adding more cold will not heat it up. When the system is functioning correctly, homeostasis is achieved, and the conditions are just right.

The Over-Functioning and Under-Functioning dynamic occurs when one partner is trying to take responsibility for the other partners part.

Its not how I am feeling, it is how I am functioning. Ask and honestly answer the following questions:
  • Do I do what I need to do and what I should be doing when stressed or challenged when my wife is not there?
  • Am I irresponsibly over involved in how my wife lives her life by over functioning
Over-Functioning

Classic example of over functioning is trying to direct my wife or jumping in to solve her problems. This inadvertently invites the opposite through my behaviors, as no one likes to be told what to do or feel guilty for what they are not doing.
  • A result of Over-Functioning that I am guilty of is pulling back and retreating when I don’t get what I want, thinking that somehow it is going to make my wife change to what I want. This doesn’t work, because I still have an anxious focus on my wife that she can feel, and still makes the focus about her changing and not me.
  • A shift out of Over-Functioning is not about trying to change the other person. It is about recognizing that my efforts to help are not very helpful. I also need to think about where I put my effort in the relationship. Stop anxiously monitoring my spouse and think about where I put my energy.
  • Stopping Over-functioning does not mean that my wife will step-up, but there is a greater possibility to change because there is not the pressure to function a certain way and I have given her the opportunity to do so. It says this is important to me, but I am going to let you be responsible for how you step up.
  • This manifests in how couples initiate sex.
  • Over-Functioning gets frustrating because I feel I am doing all the work and my wife is not showing interest so I try to interrupt the pattern by stopping initiating (functioning) hoping my wife will step up. But she hasn’t, why?
  • Is there too much focus on keeping score?
  • I have personally fallen into this shift of keeping score. My wife can likely feel my anxious focus on her. As a result, that can shut down her moves towards taking her responsible part.
  • Over-functioning is trying to direct your spouse.
    • Ex. I read this book or listed to this podcast so you should to…
  • Why do I Over-Function?
    • I am functioning as if my wife is an extension of me. Recognize that my spouse is in charge of herself and that is not my responsibility.
Sexual Over-Functioning and Under-Functioning
  • Over and Under-Functioning shuts down any sort of curiosity or interest in both parties.
  • The Over-Functioning person gets burnt out and resentful
  • The Under-Functioning person isn’t really interested in their part because someone else is handling it
  • Do I purposefully Under-Function in an attempt to make my spouse step in? At times, Yes.
  • Why do I attempt to Under-Function? It can be a comfortable position and it allows someone else to step in and over function.
So what should I do?
  • I need to be more flexible, so when things don’t play out like I thought they should be able to ask my wife what ideas she has. Give her the responsibility and ask her “What could be a fun way that you initiate?” Maybe it doesn’t work out, be able to step back and say, “well what do we want to do now?” It puts less pressure on people needing to operate a certain way. Be lighthearted.
  • Don’t be responsible FOR your spouse, be responsible TO your spouse.
  • Think about how do I want to show up for her?
  • How do I share my thinking or needs?
  • How do I listen to her and be thoughtful and respectful?
  • When my wife is anxious, do I sit and listen instead of jumping in to solve a problem?
  • Am I irresponsibly over involved?
  • Can I ask a good question instead of trying to give an answer?
  • Over-Functioning sexually has caused me to be really fixated on my spouse and has made me get one way thinking of how things should improve instead of the broader question of how are each of us going to be responsible for our sexual relationship?
  • I forget that there are multiple paths to things getting better. We can do something together but as individuals. Instead of directing my wife, could I say something like “I think it would be awesome if we were both curious about this part of our lives, how do you want to go about doing that?”
  • It is useful for my wife to know what I am thinking and what I want, and to not have to read my mind and guess.
  • What is my part in getting my needs met?
How to get out of sexual Under-Functioning?

  • Have to ask how do I show up and what are the measures of success? It cannot be how is my wife feeling about this and is she happy with me or not.
  • Feelings of my wife cannot and should not become the metric or measurement that is used against personal beliefs about the role of sex or intimacy in the marriage.
  • Sit down and write out what my unique beliefs about sex in our marriage are and am I living up to them?
  • Think about the process of how I make my decisions. Not why I make my decisions.
    • If I ask why, blame is the only answer to the why question. But the How is how do we get caught up in this pattern and can lead to no blame and identifying what to work on.
  • When Under-Functioning it is easy to get caught up in the comfortability of someone else calling the shots. Must take ownership.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Here is my best attempt:

Are you a sexual Over-Functioner or Under-Functioner?

Intimate marriages are like a system. Think of a heating and cooling system, and how it is regulated by a thermostat. Finding that perfect temperature means that both the heating and cooling system need to be functioning. If there is too much heat, the temperature is too hot. Same can be said for too much cold, it becomes chilly. Adding more heat will not cool down the temperature, and adding more cold will not heat it up. When the system is functioning correctly, homeostasis is achieved, and the conditions are just right.

The Over-Functioning and Under-Functioning dynamic occurs when one partner is trying to take responsibility for the other partners part.

Its not how I am feeling, it is how I am functioning. Ask and honestly answer the following questions:
  • Do I do what I need to do and what I should be doing when stressed or challenged when my wife is not there?
  • Am I irresponsibly over involved in how my wife lives her life by over functioning
Over-Functioning

Classic example of over functioning is trying to direct my wife or jumping in to solve her problems. This inadvertently invites the opposite through my behaviors, as no one likes to be told what to do or feel guilty for what they are not doing.
  • A result of Over-Functioning that I am guilty of is pulling back and retreating when I don’t get what I want, thinking that somehow it is going to make my wife change to what I want. This doesn’t work, because I still have an anxious focus on my wife that she can feel, and still makes the focus about her changing and not me.
  • A shift out of Over-Functioning is not about trying to change the other person. It is about recognizing that my efforts to help are not very helpful. I also need to think about where I put my effort in the relationship. Stop anxiously monitoring my spouse and think about where I put my energy.
  • Stopping Over-functioning does not mean that my wife will step-up, but there is a greater possibility to change because there is not the pressure to function a certain way and I have given her the opportunity to do so. It says this is important to me, but I am going to let you be responsible for how you step up.
  • This manifests in how couples initiate sex.
  • Over-Functioning gets frustrating because I feel I am doing all the work and my wife is not showing interest so I try to interrupt the pattern by stopping initiating (functioning) hoping my wife will step up. But she hasn’t, why?
  • Is there too much focus on keeping score?
  • I have personally fallen into this shift of keeping score. My wife can likely feel my anxious focus on her. As a result, that can shut down her moves towards taking her responsible part.
  • Over-functioning is trying to direct your spouse.
    • Ex. I read this book or listed to this podcast so you should to…
  • Why do I Over-Function?
    • I am functioning as if my wife is an extension of me. Recognize that my spouse is in charge of herself and that is not my responsibility.
Sexual Over-Functioning and Under-Functioning
  • Over and Under-Functioning shuts down any sort of curiosity or interest in both parties.
  • The Over-Functioning person gets burnt out and resentful
  • The Under-Functioning person isn’t really interested in their part because someone else is handling it
  • Do I purposefully Under-Function in an attempt to make my spouse step in? At times, Yes.
  • Why do I attempt to Under-Function? It can be a comfortable position and it allows someone else to step in and over function.
So what should I do?
  • I need to be more flexible, so when things don’t play out like I thought they should be able to ask my wife what ideas she has. Give her the responsibility and ask her “What could be a fun way that you initiate?” Maybe it doesn’t work out, be able to step back and say, “well what do we want to do now?” It puts less pressure on people needing to operate a certain way. Be lighthearted.
  • Don’t be responsible FOR your spouse, be responsible TO your spouse.
  • Think about how do I want to show up for her?
  • How do I share my thinking or needs?
  • How do I listen to her and be thoughtful and respectful?
  • When my wife is anxious, do I sit and listen instead of jumping in to solve a problem?
  • Am I irresponsibly over involved?
  • Can I ask a good question instead of trying to give an answer?
  • Over-Functioning sexually has caused me to be really fixated on my spouse and has made me get one way thinking of how things should improve instead of the broader question of how are each of us going to be responsible for our sexual relationship?
  • I forget that there are multiple paths to things getting better. We can do something together but as individuals. Instead of directing my wife, could I say something like “I think it would be awesome if we were both curious about this part of our lives, how do you want to go about doing that?”
  • It is useful for my wife to know what I am thinking and what I want, and to not have to read my mind and guess.
  • What is my part in getting my needs met?
How to get out of sexual Under-Functioning?

  • Have to ask how do I show up and what are the measures of success? It cannot be how is my wife feeling about this and is she happy with me or not.
  • Feelings of my wife cannot and should not become the metric or measurement that is used against personal beliefs about the role of sex or intimacy in the marriage.
  • Sit down and write out what my unique beliefs about sex in our marriage are and am I living up to them?
  • Think about the process of how I make my decisions. Not why I make my decisions.
    • If I ask why, blame is the only answer to the why question. But the How is how do we get caught up in this pattern and can lead to no blame and identifying what to work on.
  • When Under-Functioning it is easy to get caught up in the comfortability of someone else calling the shots. Must take ownership.
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This is a great article to have under the case and study portion. It may not seem to be fallen under PE, but in reality, it does fall under PE's psychological and physiological aspects. Mind posting it a separate post? This is a great perspective covering 70% on both aspects.
 
oldandlively said:
This is a great article to have under the case and study portion. It may not seem to be fallen under PE, but in reality, it does fall under PE's psychological and physiological aspects. Mind posting it a separate post? This is a great perspective covering 70% on both aspects.
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I can post elsewhere or should it be moved from my progress log completely? I will end up just copy pasting if that's ok, as these are just my personal notes and thoughts from a podcast a fellow brother recommended to me.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Ok, I'm old school so they are handwritten in a notebook. I can try to distill them down a bit over the next day and make them a bit more coherent and get them posted.
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I love hand written notes
 
Mental PE update-
I have been applying some of my learnings from my prior post of over-functioning and under-functioning.

My EQ seems to be improving and my thoughts have been in a much better place. Learning to provide space for my wife for her to step up and meet me in the middle versus over processing things in my head and allowing emotions to drive anxiety which doesnt give winning results for either of us.

Friday night we were able to spend intimate time together for over an hour. While it didnt result in full intercourse, EQ was solid for me for almost the whole time. She came multiple times and my finish was explosive! Very positive about our intimate connection for the first time in a long time.

My PE workouts since last week have also been much better, with exception of yesterday when I was interrupted 2 minutes into my second pump by my wife knocking on the bathroom door offering to bring me a morning coffee. I ended up cleaning up the mity vac and jumping in the shower and doing two x 5 minute pumps with the bath mate before strapping into the Silistretcher for the day.

Have my next workout on the calendar for three hours from now once I have the house to my self, and I am feeling like it is going to be an awesome session.
 
Good length pumping session today. I have been progressively pushing the Hg over the past couple months, and on pump 4 I crept up to 13Hg for 30 seconds and then back down to 10Hg for 30 seconds and alternated over the 4 minutes.

Hit over 8" by the end of pump 4 before 5 minute massage and SSJ break then completed two more additional pumps with the 2" cylinder. After massage and warm down, with C-ring on back in to silistretcher for the rest of the day.

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ManPlan86 said:
Good length pumping session today. I have been progressively pushing the Hg over the past couple months, and on pump 4 I crept up to 13Hg for 30 seconds and then back down to 10Hg for 30 seconds and alternated over the 4 minutes.

Hit over 8" by the end of pump 4 before 5 minute massage and SSJ break then completed two more additional pumps with the 2" cylinder. After massage and warm down, with C-ring on back in to silistretcher for the rest of the day.

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That tube is packed! Nice work!
 
I almost took a break from my pumping routine and figured I would just use the silistretcher all day today due to feeling short on time. I am glad I didnt!

Rearranged some morning conference calls and got after it, and I was feeling as big as I have ever felt after the first 4 pumps with the 1 3/4" cylinder. I had a hard time pulling it loose.

I ended up doing only doing one 5 minute pump with the 2" cylinder and calling it good, followed by a quick shower, SSJ and massage warm down with ball and lig stretching.

In to silistretcher for the day and kept the small siliring on for a couple hours.
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ManPlan86 said:
I almost took a break from my pumping routine and figured I would just use the silistretcher all day today due to feeling short on time. I am glad I didnt!

Rearranged some morning conference calls and got after it, and I was feeling as big as I have ever felt after the first 4 pumps with the 1 3/4" cylinder. I had a hard time pulling it loose.

I ended up doing only doing one 5 minute pump with the 2" cylinder and calling it good, followed by a quick shower, SSJ and massage warm down with ball and lig stretching.

In to silistretcher for the day and kept the small siliring on for a couple hours.
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Wow you're huge! Excellent work.
 
A little pressed for time this morning trying to make it out the door on time for church.

Grabbed the bath mate and completed two 5 minute pumps with a 3 minute break between the two while in the shower.

Lubed up with vaseline and then completed three 5 minute water pumps with 3 minute breaks between with the 1.75" while I balanced shaving and brushing teeth.

C-ring on and silistretcher on.

Not the best of workouts, but I was able to still hit over 8" in the 1.75" cylinder and was a tight pull getting it off.

I'm sure if I would have had full focus it would have been better, but feeling good hitting the day heading to church knowing I got some work in.
 
Haursen said:
I highly recommend ditching Vaseline and going for a natural solution (e.g. organic shea butter or castor oil).
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Does one hold up better in warm water than another?

I go back to back in the 1.75" for four sets and if I pull out to relube I wont be able to squeeze back in.
 
School is getting back in session, and I was able to get in a great routine yesterday morning.

Standard warmup with Jelq and SSJs in front of space heater. While doing my warmup I ran a bath and did my pumping routine sitting in the water.

4 minute sessions with 3-4 minute breaks with 1.75" cylinder.

1st: 10Hg creap to 11Hg and hold 30 seconds. Slow release to 8Hg for 30 seconds then back to 11Hg. Repeat over the 4 minutes.

2nd: 10Hg creap to 12Hg and hold 30 seconds. Slow release to 9Hg for 30 seconds then back to 11Hg. Repeat over the 4 minutes.

3rd&4th: 10Hg creap to 13Hg and hold 30 seconds. Slow release to 10Hg for 30 seconds then back to 13Hg. Repeat over the 4 minutes.

Little break to massage and SSJ in warm water, then grabbed 2" cylinder and did two 5 minute sessions up to 10Hg.

Tried a new experiment after the two sessions with 2". Relubed up after a 5 minute break and pushed back in to the 1.75" cylinder. Had to connect the water tube to the top to push water through the top of the cylinder but was able to barely get it on.

One last pump pulsing from 5Hg to 13Hg for 4 minutes and I hit 8.5" on the cylinder, which is a new record for me.

Massage and light SSJ warm down. C-ring on and then put on the silistretcher for the day.
 
This mornings session not as good as yesterday's. I had to head in to the office which means no mid-morning break, so it was a 5am session with warmup and three 5 minute pumps with the 1.75" using same process as above. Alternating back and forth to max vac for each session for 30 seconds then reducing a couple Hg, etc.

First pump up to 11Hg, second pump up to 12Hg, third pump up to 13Hg. Got to 8" on first pump, but didnt really get much more than that on pump 2 or 3.

C-ring on then shower warm down with massage, light ok jelqing and light SSJs. After shower and dry off, silistretcher on for the day.

After hitting 8.5" yesterday, I really want to set that as the new bar for a successful workout.
 
ManPlan86 said:
This mornings session not as good as yesterday's. I had to head in to the office which means no mid-morning break, so it was a 5am session with warmup and three 5 minute pumps with the 1.75" using same process as above. Alternating back and forth to max vac for each session for 30 seconds then reducing a couple Hg, etc.

First pump up to 11Hg, second pump up to 12Hg, third pump up to 13Hg. Got to 8" on first pump, but didnt really get much more than that on pump 2 or 3.

C-ring on then shower warm down with massage, light ok jelqing and light SSJs. After shower and dry off, silistretcher on for the day.

After hitting 8.5" yesterday, I really want to set that as the new bar for a successful workout.
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With having the house to myself most Mondays and Wednesdays now that kids return back to school, there is no reason I shouldn't be able to get in two really good workouts those days and then use my other weekdays for cementing and maintaining.

Any brothers reading this progress log have any thoughts on this?
 
ManPlan86 said:
This mornings session not as good as yesterday's. I had to head in to the office which means no mid-morning break, so it was a 5am session with warmup and three 5 minute pumps with the 1.75" using same process as above. Alternating back and forth to max vac for each session for 30 seconds then reducing a couple Hg, etc.

First pump up to 11Hg, second pump up to 12Hg, third pump up to 13Hg. Got to 8" on first pump, but didnt really get much more than that on pump 2 or 3.
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Looks like your penile vac pressure reaches max fatigue and entering tug back phases. Try to remaing more at 11Hg instead after entering into 13inHg for 30 seconds or so every few minutes.

ManPlan86 said:
C-ring on then shower warm down with massage, light ok jelqing and light SSJs. After shower and dry off, silistretcher on for the day.

After hitting 8.5" yesterday, I really want to set that as the new bar for a successful workout.
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Do monitor for the sudden tug back. Based on your routines so far, I believe your malleability stretch can go to 9in quite easily. Try at the lower pressure around 11in and maintain a bit longer at that pressure. Go up to 13inHg just for a short period and drop back down. Also try contrast pumping, using hot, then cool, then warm water sessions.

ManPlan86 said:
With having the house to myself most Mondays and Wednesdays now that kids return back to school, there is no reason I shouldn't be able to get in two really good workouts those days and then use my other weekdays for cementing and maintaining.

Any brothers reading this progress log have any thoughts on this?
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Ah yes. No excuse there. Go butt naked below and do all the PE work while doing other works. Don't let clothing hinder you. My neighbors caught me bottom naked a new times while doing my PE. All I did was smile, wave, and kept doing my own thing. My home, my comforts, my ways.
 
oldandlively said:
Looks like your penile vac pressure reaches max fatigue and entering tug back phases. Try to remaing more at 11Hg instead after entering into 13inHg for 30 seconds or so every few minutes.
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Ok, I do find that if I get to 13Hg on pump 3 out of 4 I can scale back to 11Hg on the 4th pump and get close to the same length. I have taken the approach of if I can get to 13Hg keep pushing on the 4th pump to get whatever cellular breakdown that might still be available.

oldandlively said:
Do monitor for the sudden tug back. Based on your routines so far, I believe your malleability stretch can go to 9in quite easily. Try at the lower pressure around 11in and maintain a bit longer at that pressure. Go up to 13inHg just for a short period and drop back down. Also try contrast pumping, using hot, then cool, then warm water sessions.
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Do you think after pump 3 going to 13Hg and bouncing back and forth between 13Hg to 10Hg for the 4 minutes I should just use pump 4 and hold at 11Hg?

Sometimes I get my best length measurements on pump 3 and sometimes it comes during pump 4 at 13Hg. I dont feel much tug back, and I have gotten good at what I feel is complete relaxed reverse kegel as I pull the cylinder tight in to my pubic bone. I think sometimes i could get more but my glans is really sticking hard to the sides of the cylinder.

oldandlively said:
Ah yes. No excuse there. Go butt naked below and do all the PE work while doing other works. Don't let clothing hinder you. My neighbors caught me bottom naked a new times while doing my PE. All I did was smile, wave, and kept doing my own thing. My home, my comforts, my ways.
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I should clarify. I will still pump and follow a routine on days when the family is home, I just need to start earlier and cant spend as much alone time focusing or running a bath.

Mondays and Wednesdays I can work from home with no distractions and get in a really good routine like I did yesterday.

Other days will be more similar to this morning. 5am wake up and just get after it before heading out to the office. Keep the intensity up, but instead of an hour and a half get 45minutes to an hour. This is what I referenced as maintenance and cementing cause I wont have as much time for experimentation.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Ok, I do find that if I get to 13Hg on pump 3 out of 4 I can scale back to 11Hg on the 4th pump and get close to the same length. I have taken the approach of if I can get to 13Hg keep pushing on the 4th pump to get whatever cellular breakdown that might still be available.
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No matter where you are going past 11inHg, go up to the upper pressure (such as 12inHg) and back down to 11inHg. It can be on any set. The moment you go past 11inHg, stay at the upper pressure for 30 seconds, and go back down. Stay at 11inHg at least 1 minute before going back up to the upper pressure again. Use this dynamic pressure approach for just 30 seconds at a time.

ManPlan86 said:
Do you think after pump 3 going to 13Hg and bouncing back and forth between 13Hg to 10Hg for the 4 minutes I should just use pump 4 and hold at 11Hg?
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This may work better than staying solid at 13inHg. Dynamic pressurization is the key to cause tissue expansion more effectively. For the 3rd or 4th set, you can stay at 11inHg for the entire duration.

ManPlan86 said:
Sometimes I get my best length measurements on pump 3 and sometimes it comes during pump 4 at 13Hg. I dont feel much tug back, and I have gotten good at what I feel is complete relaxed reverse kegel as I pull the cylinder tight in to my pubic bone. I think sometimes i could get more but my glans is really sticking hard to the sides of the cylinder.
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If there's no tug back, stay longer at the upper pressure for 60 seconds. Swing it between 13inHg and drop to 11inHg every 60 seconds. Tissue mallleability response faster to dynamic pressures than staying at the same pressure over time.

ManPlan86 said:
I should clarify. I will still pump and follow a routine on days when the family is home, I just need to start earlier and cant spend as much alone time focusing or running a bath.
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I'm not too keen on taking a bath while pumping. My wife loves bath and pulled me into the bath tub all the time. If I have to get my penis warm, I just dunk my penis into a warm water basin.

ManPlan86 said:
Mondays and Wednesdays I can work from home with no distractions and get in a really good routine like I did yesterday.
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Nice. Take advantage of it. Think of it as 1 day on of extreme workout, 1 day of simple workout, and 1 day of rest.
 
ManPlan86 said:
My morning routine was put on hold as I said yesterday, and spent time with my wife instead.

She has been struggling through bad vertigo the last couple months, so this was the first time in nearly two months she got my dick in her hands.

She could tell a difference in size which is awesome, but voiced she is a little worried about me getting much bigger and if she could take more size. Told her it takes time and it's not like I will somehow double size (although that would be awesome 🙂 ) in the next few months. Was a nice boost to my confidence!

I still want to push forward to 8x6. I think she can take the extra.
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She gon' love it!
 
5am morning session today.

EQ pretty good to start, but lost a bit towards end. Think I am just tired.

Standard warmup with OK jelqs and SSJs for 10 minutes in front of space heater.

1.75" cylinder pumping x 4 sessions.

Pump 1: Hotter water, pump to 10Hg then up to 11Hg for 30 seconds, release back down to 8Hg, pump back up to 11Hg for 30 seconds. Rinse and repeat for 5 minutes.

Pump 2: Same water as pump 1 so just warm water, pump to 11Hg then up to 12Hg for 30 seconds, release back down to 8Hg, pump back up to 11Hg for 30 seconds. Rinse and repeat for 5 minutes

Pump 3: Filled with cold water, pump to 10Hg then up to 13Hg for 30 seconds, release back down to 8Hg, pump back up to 13Hg for 30 seconds. Rinse and repeat for 5 minutes

Pump 4: Filled with hot water, pump to 10Hg then up to 13Hg for 30 seconds, release back down to 8Hg, pump back up to 13Hg for a few seconds and release back down to 7-8 Hg. Rinse and repeat for 5 minutes.

Didnt achieve 8.5" in length but was at 8.25" on 4th pump. During 4th pump I also did some slight rotations to left, right, up and down to get a little additional stretching in. Not sure it will help, but i dont think it will hurt either?

Was also thinking through how healing in an extended state begins almost immediately after a workout. After the 4th pump I reduced Hg down to 4Hg and just let the cylinder hang between my legs while I jumped in the shower. I was barely erect by this point and there was no discomfort, but at 4Hg I still pretty much had girth maxed out and length stayed right about 7.75 - 7.5".

Started with 5 minute cold shower while the cylinder hung with warm water in it. Once I switched to hot shower water I released the vac pressure and pulled the cylinder loose.

Switch to hot shower with some massage and Light SSJ, and put on the C-ring.

Silistretcher on before heading out the door to the office for the day.
 
I think it sends the blood to your vital organs and extremities though. Although your penis IS a vital organ, I always have used cold showers to calm me down like if a woman got me worked up and wouldn’t let me have any. I have never personally been able to get a hard on in a cold environment. But interesting method.
 
9isFine4me said:
I think it sends the blood to your vital organs and extremities though. Although your penis IS a vital organ, I always have used cold showers to calm me down like if a woman got me worked up and wouldn’t let me have any. I have never personally been able to get a hard on in a cold environment. But interesting method.
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Yah, penis is low on the list and normally would have shrinkage if the whole body gets cold. Unless being forced by the vacuum of the pump to stay elongated.

Cold shower is more for the body, cold pump in a warm room for 5 minutes is forcing body to react to one specific area, my penis in the pump.
 
Standard morning routine today.

4 Sets with moving through progressive increases and decreases in Hg.

Set 1: Pump to 10Hg, increase to 11Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 11Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 2: Pump to 11Hg, increase to 12Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 9Hg then cycle back and forth to 12Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 3: Refill cylinder with cold water. Pump to 11Hg, increase to 13Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 13Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 4: Refill cylinder with warm water. Pump to 11Hg, increase to 13Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 13Hg for 30 second intervals.

After 4th set, reduce to 3.5 - 4Hg and let cylinder hang. 5 minute cold shower then pull off cylinder and put on C-ring. Hot shower warm down with massage and light SSJ.

No hanging this morning like yesterday, as I forgot my silistretcher downstairs. Just admired the big hang and worked up a few erections while I got the rest of myself ready for the day.

Silistretcher on before I left for the office. I may need to upgrade sizes on the vacuum bell soon, as it is getting to be tight squeeze and I have to compress my glans a bit to get blood out to get the vaccum cup over my glans.
 
ManPlan86 said:
Standard morning routine today.

4 Sets with moving through progressive increases and decreases in Hg.

Set 1: Pump to 10Hg, increase to 11Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 11Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 2: Pump to 11Hg, increase to 12Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 9Hg then cycle back and forth to 12Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 3: Refill cylinder with cold water. Pump to 11Hg, increase to 13Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 13Hg for 30 second intervals

Set 4: Refill cylinder with warm water. Pump to 11Hg, increase to 13Hg for 30 Seconds, release to 7Hg then back and forth to 13Hg for 30 second intervals.

After 4th set, reduce to 3.5 - 4Hg and let cylinder hang. 5 minute cold shower then pull off cylinder and put on C-ring. Hot shower warm down with massage and light SSJ.

No hanging this morning like yesterday, as I forgot my silistretcher downstairs. Just admired the big hang and worked up a few erections while I got the rest of myself ready for the day.

Silistretcher on before I left for the office. I may need to upgrade sizes on the vacuum bell soon, as it is getting to be tight squeeze and I have to compress my glans a bit to get blood out to get the vaccum cup over my glans.
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One piece of the routine I should document.

My normal routine is done in front of my bathroom sink. I normally will stand in front of the counter and rest the top of the cylinder on the counter top to keep the cylinder angled at roughly 35-45 degrees.

My thought process- As I am pumping mostly for length and trying to max expansion in girth to get a nice full round girth erection for sexy go times, I should be stretching and expanding at my preferred erection angle.

I will sometimes increase vac Hg while pressing the cylinder hard in to my fat pad while more parallel to the floor and that seems to get me close to another .25" in length measurement, but after getting to my high side Hg I will angle the cylinder up like I mentioned above. It pulls my length back a bit, but I think I might be on to something here as I feel a good stretch when adjusting the angle. Adjusting to more of an upward angle also increases the Hg, so then I will back down my vac pressure.

For instance, at parallel to the floor if I pump to 13Hg and then angle the cylinder, it increases to 15Hg for a few seconds before I back off the pressure to 13Hg.
 
Unintentional break the last 3 days, Saturday-Monday.

Saturday was a planned day off so I could sleep in and catchup on some sleep. Wore sleeve all day to stay elongated while I did chores.

Sunday just did some basic stretching in the morning before putting on silistretcher and heading off to church. Stayed elongated all day.

Got up at 5:30am this morning to get in my pumping session. Just after completing my standard warmup, my wife started texting from the bedroom asking me where I was and why I was up so early on my day off.

Totally broke my concentration on everything and I ended up just jumping in the shower and doing a couple 4 minute bath mate pumps then heading back to bed and replying to some other brothers posts. Sleeve on for the day.

Tomorrow I am back at it bright and early.
 
Stayed on routine Tues-Fri this week after my last post.

Planned to take a rest day today but that didnt happen. I did lower my Hg today and only pumped three sets ranging from 8-10Hg with 3 minute breaks in between.

Tried a bit of experiment and let the cylinder hang at about 4 Hg during my morning shower and for about a total 30 minutes while I got ready for the day. Lots of kegels to push fresh blood in but was just hanging at flaccid for most of the time.

Seemed to keep me nice and expanded maxing out the circumference of the 1.75" cylinder, no fluid retention. Curious to run with this experiment to keep pressure right around standard erection pressure after a session to begin the healing process during a warm down.

It's also getting tough to get the silistretcher vaccum bell on my glans now. I have to squeeze a lot of blood out of my glans to get it on, wondering if it is costing me some glans growth. Measured my glans at around 5.5" prior to trying to squeeze in to it.

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