Progress thread I'm back in business with expressive stretching

DLD said:
I think it’s a brilliant work out for a few reasons. You’re the only one that’s ever gone this far with Expressive stretching. I have a belief that if you focus on accessing internal penis exclusively you may gain quicker. This is totally theoretical because nobody’s done this yet but I have faith that this may turn out to be a very good routine.
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Nice. It got me thinking, that maybe most length gains from all penis enlargement methods are actually just pulling at more inner penis?

I've sat down lately, just done a standard straight out stretch, nothing fancy. With the free hand feeling around the base, and the inner penis.
Its got me really wondering, that the weak link is the external penis we see, and that once its taken out the equation to target just the internal part, the part that to me seems to be under some tension anyway with most stretches incl hanging if you feel around, but honestly how does the penis grow in length? is it the external penis growing? it cant obviously be ligaments, the tissue must come from somewhere, and again my theory is its mostly inner penis all this time, and its just depending on what "path" the user has gone which dictates to a certain extent how successful they are.

All the different angles in all the different stretches, now I'm starting to think that they all one way or another hit the inner penis, but its always never 100% because its the external penis we see that takes most of the brunt, do you catch me here? yes gains come, sure they do, but once behind the balls is targeted to me it seems your right on inner penis, as if its not as defensive anymore.


Please see my other post in this thread, I think you might have missed it as it will describe what I'm alluding to here. Pay attention to the part on the weight lifting example :)

@DLD
 
Guys wanting to have a look at what the reverse expressive stretch looks like, check out the tunica fulcrum video which is done using a power assist in the video, but the lengthmaster does the same thing.

What I do differently from the video is place ALL THE PACKAGE through the loop, and I can bundle a few times but I'm not certain with this stretch if its better or not to bundle.

Get everything through the loop, grip around the package and stretch it straight up while pushing down with the legs.

I do this sat up in bed with legs out in front of me. I position the loop about 1 inch from the base. Compared to the stretch in the video, its more intense because your stretching more penis due to gripping around the entire package.

I try to keep a little gap between my hand and the testicles, so when I stretch obviously I'm not placing that force on my balls at all, but time to time you feel it a little, it should never be painful with the testicles.

HERE IS THE LINK FOR THE VIDEO

An old thread of me using the method



P.S

Most of you remember the Mandingo stretch



I've gone over that thread just, and I know from doing that exercise how intense it was.
This reverse expressive actually believe it or not feels more effective, certainly it hits the internal front part of the penis better, and you could hold it longer in the PA or LM compared to the mandingo stretch, not to mention you place no stress on the head.

Mandingo stretch still good, not dissing it, just another exercise that attacks in a similar fashion and perhaps that was why it was so effective, but you cant really do long holds with the mandingo, I cant anyway.
 
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March 23rd

20 minutes bundled expressive stretching

Followed by ...

10 minutes reverse expressive stretching

Finished off with ...

2 1\2 minutes expressive stretch hold to the left, followed by a 2 1\2 minutes expressive stretch hold to the right.

Testicle massage applied between them.

I'm going to say that tonight's session has made up my mind to not do the reverse expressive stretches bundled. They are to be done not bundled because the risk to the spermatic cord too great, I always feel a slight tweak when bundled reverse expressives are done, so this is why.

The unbundled version is certainly potent enough though, with tonight being the best intensity I've had with them.

If only you could feel that stretch tonight, and know this isn't hype, and I'm convinced it's the most abuse my suspensory ligament has ever had.

what I did a little different was, once the stretch has been executed, your holding it now, legs pushing down flat on the bed, is I tensed the pelvis up while contracting the thighs down and fucking shit it's off the chain and all lig stretch, forget hanging weight, seriously it got straight to the meat, no bullshit, just a mad burn deep ligament stretch that I got aches to the pubic bone area.

When the pelvis is tensed up, it doesn't actually visually move up, but you feel it, the difference is like night and day.

Please, if anyone doesn't understand, needs further clarification, let me know, because it can get harder going back on yourself.

I finished off with a new one, just expressive stretching bundled but to the sides, and held for one long stretch of 2 1/2 minutes.

With the brutality beforehand, it felt underwhelming, but I'm sure it would kick my ass on a normal day.

Good God I hope this is it, that it gets the growth needed, and even extends our knowledge further, because as DLD always alluded to, that expressive stretching could very well be the key.

Simply put, I find it just takes the weak link out, gets straight to the target with pinpoint accuracy.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Good God I hope this is it, that it gets the growth needed, and even extends our knowledge further, because as DLD always alluded to, that expressive stretching could very well be the key.

Simply put, I find it just takes the weak link out, gets straight to the target with pinpoint accuracy.
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Finding that weak link is all about listening and learning from our bodies. This is why it’s so important to keep excellent track of what you’re doing that way in the future you can tell where those weaknesses and you can see where their strength.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Hello, thanks for showing an interest in this exercise, it really does have legs.

I'll answer in points, not being rude here but it might make more sense

  • Yes, the entire penis and package goes through the lengthmaster
  • No I dont clamp on the base with anything, can you explain what you mean by clamp? is that cable clamp?
  • No I dont use the rope
  • Yes certainly its done bundled

It will hurt to some degree when using the LM at first, perhaps many dont get to that stage for fear of damage, and I understand but you must feel intense stretch in the area where the perineum is located, and it will hurt at first due to skin stretch, after its not as bad at all.

The BM inner stretch feels different because its not pulling at an angle, just straight out, and in my personal opinion is nowhere near as intense like using the LM, its limited by how much force as its a pump, the vacuum would come loose.


I'm going to have to get a diagram up in the week, because its not the easiest exercise to describe in words is it.

The reverse method I do, is really intense on the suspensory ligament mainly, its the opposite to the standard expressive, and yes a risk with that on the balls, but one has to very easy with it.

Yeah, I will have to get some diagrams and even a new thread for the new exercise.

If you got anymore questions fire away.

The expressive I do, as I understood it from DLD is simply get the cock and balls through the hole, using the lever arm over the legs one uses the legs while pulling down on the penis + package to create the stretch.

I never clamp, perhaps you refer to the attachment piece? no I never use it for that, and would think it pretty difficult when doing expressive.
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No worries mate. Not being rude. I wasn't very clear and I am new so the terminology was off.

I have seen the word clamping on here and have no idea what it is. Figured I would figure out hanging, clamping etc. after this first 6-12 months with the routine DLD gave.

By "Clamping" I mean using the wingnuts on the LM to "clamp down" and as you said (probably the correct term) "attach" to your penis.

When I asked if you used the rope, I meant the rope that comes with the LM. There are a couple videos I have seen on here with people using the rope with their legs for extra strength pulls.

So when you said you lay on your back and push up with your legs, I envisioned someone with a LM "attached" with wingnuts all the way down around both the penis and the testicles at the very base. I then imagined someone twisting that into a bundled stretch at the base. Then the only way I could envision the stretch to be possible was to incorporate the rope. Maybe it is because I am not flexible at all and there is no way I could lay on my back and push on the handles with my feet while the LM is attached to the base of my package.

Sounds like I was way off and I will be awaiting your diagram good sir.
 
With expressive stretching, you don't use the attachment that comes with the LM, or anything else to clamp down and grip the penis.

Those videos you have seen of guys using the rope on the LM or PA are for other methods, unless DLD corrects me, but I have never seen the rope used or read about the rope used when doing expressive stretching, or could I imagine using it for such a stretch due to needing the power of your legs pushing the actual LM or PA, and the rope wouldn't aid in that.

Not a problem, its alright. Yeah I get on my back with the top half up, like the position in a sit up. The LM is placed across the legs at the top, and you place the penis and entire package through the loop at this stage.

Next, before you tense up anything, you ensure a good grip with either hand around the area behind your balls. I have average sized hand, you dont need large hands for this. I find my thumb and a finger provide most of the grip around the whole area, while squeezing down with the rest of the hand.

You now commence a bundle. I can do about 3 sometimes 4 but honestly just do what you can, even 1/4 bundle is a start and better than nothing.
I find as I bundle, you change your hands, so you dont keep the hand and wrist in the same position as you bundle but alternate the hands to help twist, once the desired amount of bundles is reached get the main gripping hand back in place.

Now you pull the penis down through the loop with the loop close to the base of the penis or pubic area. Once you feel tension here and the grip good, commence with pushing the legs up with knees bent feet on the bed, thighs are where the power comes from as the LM arms are over the thighs right, so with you pulling the penis and moving the thighs it creates the expressive stretch.

A manual version I found online is quoted below

Doing this new exercise for 2 weeks now and already half inch of the inner dick has become exposed.

The exercise:Follow the steps mentioned below:

1.Do 100 quick kegels while your buddy is stretched straight up.

2.stretch straight out and pass the non-gripping hand underneath the space between the scrotum and the ass hole.To do so you need to sit down with your legs spread as wide as possible and pass the non-gripping hand behind the scrotum.

3.Now try hard and place your fingers(non-gripping)on the forearm of the gripping hand.you need to just touch the forearm NOT grip it.At this point the space between the scrotum and ass hole should rest on the wrist of the non-gripping hand and your buddy is stretched outward and slightly downward.your scrotum will rest on the wrist of the non-gripping hand as well.

4.Now pull the wrist of the non-gripping hand slightly up against the outward and downward stretch.So,you can imagine that you are doing the A-stretch where the fulcrum is placed behind the scrotum.

5.At this point you will feel slight pain on your ligs as well as on the bulb of the buddy.

6.Now do a reverse kegel for 15 secs and then rest for 15 secs while still stretching with max intensity.

7.repeat the RK/rest cycle for 3 more times.So,you are stretching for a total of 2 mins.

8.Now do BTC stretches-30 secs holds each:left,center,right.The BTC is important to make the way clear for you inner dick which will become exposed(relocating the exit point).
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That was via a member called dreamdick, and it may help you further figure this stretch out.

Also on this thread he includes a diagram.


For the time being I would avoid the reverse expressive stretch I also mention in the thread, until you know and can do the conventional one.
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
With expressive stretching, you don't use the attachment that comes with the LM, or anything else to clamp down and grip the penis.

Those videos you have seen of guys using the rope on the LM or PA are for other methods, unless DLD corrects me, but I have never seen the rope used or read about the rope used when doing expressive stretching, or could I imagine using it for such a stretch due to needing the power of your legs pushing the actual LM or PA, and the rope wouldn't aid in that.

Not a problem, its alright. Yeah I get on my back with the top half up, like the position in a sit up. The LM is placed across the legs at the top, and you place the penis and entire package through the loop at this stage.

Next, before you tense up anything, you ensure a good grip with either hand around the area behind your balls. I have average sized hand, you dont need large hands for this. I find my thumb and a finger provide most of the grip around the whole area, while squeezing down with the rest of the hand.

You now commence a bundle. I can do about 3 sometimes 4 but honestly just do what you can, even 1/4 bundle is a start and better than nothing.
I find as I bundle, you change your hands, so you dont keep the hand and wrist in the same position as you bundle but alternate the hands to help twist, once the desired amount of bundles is reached get the main gripping hand back in place.

Now you pull the penis down through the loop with the loop close to the base of the penis or pubic area. Once you feel tension here and the grip good, commence with pushing the legs up with knees bent feet on the bed, thighs are where the power comes from as the LM arms are over the thighs right, so with you pulling the penis and moving the thighs it creates the expressive stretch.

A manual version I found online is quoted below



That was via a member called dreamdick, and it may help you further figure this stretch out.

Also on this thread he includes a diagram.


For the time being I would avoid the reverse expressive stretch I also mention in the thread, until you know and can do the conventional one.
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Appreciate your time and effort on this! Looks like I have some reading to do. Embarrassed I have been thinking I was doing expressive stretching while clamped to the base. I swear I could feel it. Good news is once I figure it out maybe I will feel it and notice some changes too. Everything seems to be working so far. I am going to measure in a couple months. ? ? ?
 
Red, you’re digging up some really old exercises and bringing life to them again. I love the way you’re researching this and how you’re doing it so all the brothers can see. I’m very proud of you my brother in many ways
 
March 27th

I would have done this session the day before, but I had some mental anguish at the time, now resolved.

Okay, so I executed 20 minutes bundled expressive stretching followed by the reverse expressive stretches also performed for 20 minutes.

Really pleased with the work, again very intense, especially the reverse expressive. My ligaments were on fire as I performed the reverse kegel, shit it was intense at times.

Never ever have I had such intense ligament burns, that's in comparison to everything I have used in penis enlargement, from exotic hanging angles with a shitload of weight added to it, to the great classic DLD A stretch blasters, so I'm hopeful it's a positive sign.

Testicle massage applied at the end, always helps.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
March 27th

I would have done this session the day before, but I had some mental anguish at the time, now resolved.

Okay, so I executed 20 minutes bundled expressive stretching followed by the reverse expressive stretches also performed for 20 minutes.

Really pleased with the work, again very intense, especially the reverse expressive. My ligaments were on fire as I performed the reverse kegel, shit it was intense at times.

Never ever have I had such intense ligament burns, that's in comparison to everything I have used in penis enlargement, from exotic hanging angles with a shitload of weight added to it, to the great classic DLD A stretch blasters, so I'm hopeful it's a positive sign.

Testicle massage applied at the end, always helps.
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classic stretch that so many not knowing how powerful it is. I hope much of what you’re doing brothers are reading and will implement it into their own training.
 
Its still sore in the base right now, right afterwards for awhile it was a burning sensation deep in the pubic bone area.
I take that as the ligament right? its been so long since I hit length that I feel very new to this :)
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Its still sore in the base right now, right afterwards for awhile it was a burning sensation deep in the pubic bone area.
I take that as the ligament right? its been so long since I hit length that I feel very new to this :)
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Yes sir my brother that’s the ligament burn that all newbies get and usually with that burn comes some great growth. The soreness eventually will go away but your program is very hard-core so I would expect days of fatigue and soreness. But in the end it’s all worth it.
 
Thanks for the confirmation. I'm set for another crack at it tonight, and have laid off not doing this everyday due to the intensity, and the concern it could make the thing stronger by too much in a short time, so spacing it out a little I think could help, otherwise I might injure the ligament, the burn is that intense ... it gets really fecking sore, so intense when I reverse kegel that I have to ease off.
 
March 29th

20 minutes bundled expressive stretching followed by 20 minutes reverse expressive stretching.

Testicle massage applied between, and at the end.

Usual super intensity, felt burn in the ligaments.

Penis starting to look fuller when flaccid, just a very subtle meatier appearance.

When fully erect it does appear ever so slightly longer.

Growth is very slow, and does appear subtle at first before fully manifesting into that gain.

Did a few erect stretches at the end, and since doing these reckon I can cope with any stretch.

For the future; think of adding behind the balls jelqs to encourage further expansion, use the silistretcher at night with 1/2 kg weight over edge of bed to aid growth. Use red light therapy to encourage collagen regeneration.

Note, when I do any bundled stretches, I always make sure to alternate each side, otherwise a risk may develop in uneven growth to one side.
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
March 29th

20 minutes bundled expressive stretching followed by 20 minutes reverse expressive stretching.

Testicle massage applied between, and at the end.

Usual super intensity, felt burn in the ligaments.

Penis starting to look fuller when flaccid, just a very subtle meatier appearance.

When fully erect it does appear ever so slightly longer.

Growth is very slow, and does appear subtle at first before fully manifesting into that gain.

Did a few erect stretches at the end, and since doing these reckon I can cope with any stretch.

For the future; think of adding behind the balls jelqs to encourage further expansion, use the silistretcher at night with 1/2 kg weight over edge of bed to aid growth. Use red light therapy to encourage collagen regeneration.

Note, when I do any bundled stretches, I always make sure to alternate each side, otherwise a risk may develop in uneven growth to one side.
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Such an important point on bundles stretching. It’s so important that you follow Red’s directions here. When you bundle you need to bundle equally to each side or you will end up with an even growth and possibly a lean or a bend.
 
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