Hello! New Joiner, 6 months of PE

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Hi all! New joiner here,
I'm truly amazed after reading about everyone's PE experiences and believe this platform will help with my own journey. It seems like each day I'm absorbing new information here and considering new techniques/programs, although I probably need to familiarize myself with all this new terminology first.
I've started to incorporate some manual stretching into my routine a few days ago (hands only, no equipment); basic stretching techniques, bundled stretches, and BTC stretches. Just wanted insight on how often I should be performing these exercises -> how long should each stretching session be? how many sessions per day? how many per week?

BACKGROUND:

Phallosan Forte - I started PE approx. 6 months ago as I've been dealing with ED for the past year. After using only PF, I was able to secure 0.5" inches in length after 6-7 weeks of use (min. 6hrs x 5 days per week). This was my initial realisation of how effective PE can be. I continued to use PF for an additional 4 months and had upgraded to a Phallosan Plus during this time, but unfortunately it seemed that my gains had started to slow down and I'm worried that I've plateaued. For the past month, I switched up my routine by using Phallosan Plus as a full-time ADS stretcher, hoping to gain better results by utilizing more intense stretching.

p.s I now understand that most people here aren't the biggest fans of PF lol. I've noticed on a few threads that people have expressed how PF isn't an effective device for long-term gains, otherwise open to any other tips.

Bathmate Hydromax - Started using this device approx. 4 months ago as my first pump. Average routine consists of BM's recommended 3min sessions x3 (5 days per week total), only used in the shower (typically erect). No permanent gains as of yet but have noticed temp gains growing over time. More specifically, the length of my shaft has progressively grown within the chamber, plus I've noticed my shaft has gotten thicker during my more recent sessions (feels bigger when fitted through my fingers using an 'ok sign'). Although no perm gains were made, one of the greater benefits were an improvement in EQ strength (erection feels rock solid).

Unfortunately, I've experienced my first thrombosis vein injury approx. 3 weeks ago which resulted in a sharp soreness along some parts of my shaft and foreskin (I'm uncut) with semi-visible veins. Around that time I decided to take a break from pumping to recover, and lost my EQ strength which was disappointing. However, I have recently used a heparinoid cream (Hirudoid) in small doses for a short period, which alleviated most of the swelling but effectively stopped the pain.

btw...my research about penile injuries is what led me to discover this platform to begin with lol

Overall, hoping to get back into pumping sooner than later

MOSRED - My first purchase from MOS! Red light therapy has always intrigued me, especially with all the studies made on hair regrowth, skin, health etc. Purchased one last week to experience it for myself, in the hopes of recovering from ED. Currently on day 4 of MOSRED, and my first impression was that it's made a slight positive change to my libido, my shaft feels slightly thicker but most of all my ballsack feels loosened and hanging after a 10min session (suppose its a good thing for stretching/pumping). Looking to utilize 2x 10min sessions per day (one during the morning as a PE warm up & one after PE work). Distancing myself 6 inches away, but possibly 7 or 8 to begin with in case I experience any adverse reactions.

The only thing that I'm uncertain about is this subtle but weirdly lasting sensation in my balls since using MOSRED. It doesn't really feel painful but perhaps its just more sensitive at this stage. Is this something that I should be concerned about? Does this feeling usually subside? Should I maybe use MOSRED on my penis only (instead of penis & balls)? Is there generally a point where I should limit myself from LED light exposure (while I understanding that MOSRED recommends daily usage)?

Appreciate your feedback/suggestions! I'll probably have more questions to share in the future

 

[bemorethanbig]

The only thing that I'm uncertain about is this subtle but weirdly lasting sensation in my balls since using MOSRED. It doesn't really feel painful but perhaps its just more sensitive at this stage. Is this something that I should be concerned about? Does this feeling usually subside? Should I maybe use MOSRED on my penis only (instead of penis & balls)? Is there generally a point where I should limit myself from LED light exposure (while I understanding that MOSRED recommends daily usage)?

Appreciate your feedback/suggestions! I'll probably have more questions to share in the future

I'm a manual stretcher, I use RED + NIR during this process for 30 min a day and then the 5 x 5 x 3. I have been using RED + NIR on my body for 6 months now , practically 4 to 5 times a week. No issues at all. If I am just using it for just warm up, All I need is 10 min. If I am doing stretches then I add this to the routine

Having balls exposed to RED light has been clinically proven to be OK or beneficial. No reports I have seen of anything negative. But it's your body so you can cover it with cloth as needed.

RED + NIR for the most part MAX a day is usually up to 30 min but trust your body in what it wants. That does not mean that 30 min is better that just means that the MAX for the most part is 30 min a day. I am just saying that most studies, in general, have been all under 30 min for Red Light.

Also, every Red light is different so find the distance and time that works best for you.

Last, I don't do Bathmate, I use something similar to mityvac, if you have gotten injured, I recommend using a pump and gauge so you know how much pressure you are at. I like knowing my Hg.

 

[oldandlively]

Welcome brother. This is where the true PE journey starts. What the companies don't tell you, the brotherhood here will. As brother bemorethanbig said, don't go to the max levels without gauging your body's limits first, either be for the Bathmate or the MOS Red. Based on the various clinical and studies for red light therapy, 35 J/cm^2 for the region should be the daily dose limit. Using MOS Red, that's around 15 minutes. If you suffer an injury, say, a cut, a damage, or blister, 20 minutes is fine. However, 15 minutes is more than enough. Using more of it doesn't benefit anything. There is a diminishing of return once you hit the daily dose. The mitochondrial powerhouses need to use up before recharges can occur. That takes up to 18 hours. If you constantly using it every 12 to 18 hours, you simply stress the powerhouses out. Think about a battery being constantly charging and discharging. Stresses will degrade and destroy the powerhouses. New cells simply replicate the same damages powerhouses.

As for why your groin/scrotum feels sensitive is due to either too long of light therapy or sunburn effects. Your skin will be very sensitive after photo burn (light burn), similar to after long sunburn. Remember, you groin doesn't get exposed to light 24 hours a day since the day you were born, unless you live at a nudist colony. Sudden light exposure will cause sensitivity.

As for the Bathmate HydroMax or HydroXtreme, make sure to look up up at the mods with gauges. If you are using a trigger pump upgrade,ake sure to follow us on a larger water trap mod as well. In due time, MOS Shop will have the mods available. We are testing them out right now. A gauge is critical to know your lower and upper pressure limits. Going to far and too hard, thrombosis and tissue damages, beside blisters, will occur. Bathmate does not have a good routine for the products. The true wisdom of Bathmate is here with the brotherhood and slowly being copied by other forums.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

As brother bemorethanbig said, don't go to the max levels without gauging your body's limits first, either be for the Bathmate or the MOS Red. Based on the various clinical and studies for red light therapy, 35 J/cm^2 for the region should be the daily dose limit. Using MOS Red, that's around 15 minutes. If you suffer an injury, say, a cut, a damage, or blister, 20 minutes is fine. However, 15 minutes is more than enough. Using more of it doesn't benefit anything. There is a diminishing of return once you hit the daily dose. The mitochondrial powerhouses need to use up before recharges can occur. That takes up to 18 hours. If you constantly using it every 12 to 18 hours, you simply stress the powerhouses out. Think about a battery being constantly charging and discharging. Stresses will degrade and destroy the powerhouses. New cells simply replicate the same damages powerhouses.

Very interesting information.
I always went 15 to 30 minutes per day, but I suppose 15 minutes of that 30 minutes was a waste of time.

Yes it's really important to gauge the pressure when pumping. As @oldandlively wrote in post , implementing a gauge on your Bathmate or implement the MityVac water trap modification on your Bathmate.

It's not necessary to know the vaccum pressure with Bathmate when starting out, but it will sure be beneficial to at least know what vaccum pressure you are at. Some have managed to inquire themselves by going to high in vaccum. This is something you want to prevent. And we do kot want this to happen.

In my experience Bathmate can be a good beginner pump, and will also work for experienced pumpers, but there is an even more comfortable pump in MOS Shop, called: MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System.

https://shop.mattersofsize.com/coll...2&_sid=f71317e58&_ss=r&variant=16261854953561

With this system you will have even more control of your vacuum pressure, since you will be able to see the vaccum pressure constantly. But with Bathmate modifications you can only se3 the vaccum pressure when you add more vaccum pressure (due to Bathmate's valve system).

I have used both pump systems and I have many Bathmate pumps, so I know what I'm talking about.

MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System, is the winner here. I'm not just saying that. I'm pumping with it with water now and it's superior to Bathmate. Much more comfortable and you have fine tuned control of the vaccum pressure you are using.

 

[DLD]

Very interesting information.
I always went 15 to 30 minutes per day, but I suppose 15 minutes of that 30 minutes was a waste of time.

Yes it's really important to gauge the pressure when pumping. As @oldandlively wrote in post , implementing a gauge on your Bathmate or implement the MityVac water trap modification on your Bathmate.

It's not necessary to know the vaccum pressure with Bathmate when starting out, but it will sure be beneficial to at least know what vaccum pressure you are at. Some have managed to inquire themselves by going to high in vaccum. This is something you want to prevent. And we do kot want this to happen.

In my experience Bathmate can be a good beginner pump, and will also work for experienced pumpers, but there is an even more comfortable pump in MOS Shop, called: MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System.

https://shop.mattersofsize.com/coll...2&_sid=f71317e58&_ss=r&variant=16261854953561

With this system you will have even more control of your vacuum pressure, since you will be able to see the vaccum pressure constantly. But with Bathmate modifications you can only se3 the vaccum pressure when you add more vaccum pressure (due to Bathmate's valve system).

I have used both pump systems and I have many Bathmate pumps, so I know what I'm talking about.

MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System, is the winner here. I'm not just saying that. I'm pumping with it with water now and it's superior to Bathmate. Much more comfortable and you have fine tuned control of the vaccum pressure you are using.

Best pump ever and soon even better

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Did have misspelled words in post #4 above.
inquire should be injure.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Here to provide an update 1 week later! Happy to see everyone's suggestions and I'm thankful for all your help

So far I have continued my routine consisting of manual stretches (exploring newbie exercises, seeing which works best for me), ADS stretching and warming up/down using MOSRED (10min intervals).

MOSRED - The sensation in my balls appears to have subsided, so if anything this was probably by body getting use to red light exposure as a start. Still monitoring closely in case I come across anything related to burns/skin irritations so probably best to take a conservative approach during this time. However, it's definitely handy when it comes to stretching as my balls are able to hang low after a MOSRED session.

Now for some good news...

GIRTH GAINS - After using manual stretches for the first few days since last week, I can definitely feel some girth gains. I haven't been able to take proper measurements but my shaft feels firmer and wider. I can see and feel the difference when I fit my penis inside my Phallosan Plus, and it's slightly made a positive change in EQ. After stretching for the first few days, I was experiencing a level of soreness across my shaft (for maybe 1-2 days) so perhaps this is generally a sign of solid gains to come? I'll keep this in mind when I go through each stretching session.

PUMPING/THROMBOSIS - I've paused pumping for the time being as I can still see thrombosed veins within parts of my penis, although I'm unsure if its a good idea to take a break for too long. The veins aren't really painful when touched however I'm only concerned that this would flare up again even more if I decided to jump back into my usual pumping routine. Are there any ways to get a speedy recovery for thrombosis? Warm compress? Topical creams? I wonder if Vitamin E oil might solve it if I apply it across my shaft. Currently, I have been using Vitamin E since using my ADS stretchers by applying it on my frenulum after each session to prevent tears (super helpful btw!). Otherwise, I'm keeping an open mind when it comes to Bathmate mods/MityVac as previously suggested. I haven't tried any air-pumps before and I'm not that savvy with hand-pump usage, but perhaps I'll research further.

LENGTH IS THE MAIN GOAL - Discovering my girth gains was truly incredible, and I now understand the importance of manual stretching and the potential it has for overall gains. However, my main objective is to gain length in the fastest way possible. Learning as much as I can about all these exercises, routines and PE devices, but just trying to figure out where else to start or how else I can accelerate my routine as a new-ish stretcher. If anything, I'm yet to try out jelqs and kegels, so perhaps I'll ease into it at some stage. Curious to know what the ideal frequency/duration of each exercise should be. At this stage, bundled stretches and BTC stetches seem to work well, but maybe I should incorporate other stretches?

SLEEVES - One last topic, I've only just discovered the importance of using sleeves/wraps after stretching. This probably would've helped me achieve quicker gains if I knew about this sooner lol. I've tried using my current sleeve from my ADS stretcher, and left it wrapped around my shaft after finishing a session of ADS. So now I can actually see that my penis is able to stay in its elongated shape and can probably heal better in this state. Is there a general timeframe of how long I should use a sleeve for? Interested to see if this will impact my gains in any way, especially when paired with MOSRED.

 

[oldandlively]

PUMPING/THROMBOSIS - Are there any ways to get a speedy recovery for thrombosis? Warm compress? Topical creams?

After the routines, shiatsu style massage along the entire length of the shaft for the thrombosis using warm oil (keep a few drops of oils for usages in a container sitting in a hot water bath), use warm compress for 15 minutes, moderate wrap around affected areas down to 2 inches in each direction when possible as compression. Make sure it's still loose enough for proper blood flow. This can be paired as elongated wrapping. Wear it as long as you can. Make sure to drink a baby aspirin (75mg to 85mg per day) to prevent any possible blood clotting.

LENGTH IS THE MAIN GOAL - At this stage, bundled stretches and BTC stetches seem to work well, but maybe I should incorporate other stretches?

Find 5 stretches, and use them for a few weeks. Around 3 is best. Them switch out another 5. Keep alternating to prevent tissues from adapting.

SLEEVES - Is there a general timeframe of how long I should use a sleeve for?

Just like above, to combat thrombosis and to remain elongated, wear it as long as you can. There is no daily limit. Just like medical practices, you wear compression as long as feasible and personally comfortable until the issue subsides.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

********PLEASE HELP********
Guys I'm so upset, I've just had a major setback and lost approx. 0.5" inches in length. Originally noticed an itchy/tingling sensation on the underside of my glands (unlikely to be a skin irritation) for the past 2 days and speculated that this might be a general sign of gains to come. I've been going about my usual PE routine however I think the only contributing factor I can think of that may have caused this might be a topical hair treatment I've been using for approx. 4 weeks now (2-3 times per week). Of note, the treatment consists of a serum consisting of various oils e.g peppermint, rosemary, lavender purchased from the chemist and used topically in low doses. Studies say that these are known to be DHT-inhibitors.
I probably should've shared this when I first joined MOS for clarity, but the reason I started PE was due to side affects from hair regrowth treatment that I was using about a year ago (shedding hair; in my mid-20's) which appears to have caused penile atrophy. I made the mistake of using Saw Palmetto/Serenoa oral treatment for hair regrowth purposes (which I convinced myself was a natural alternative to other mainstream chemicals for hair regrowth, after some research). Looking back, there was no benefit gained from this treatment and unfortunately lost about 1-1.5"inches from my original length. This has easily been one of by biggest regrets and has fucked up my dating/sex life to say the least.
After some time looking into the topical treatment my impression was that this would've been safer than oral treatment but not many studies saying that its directly linked to penile atrophy as work is done on the scalp (so therefore likely to be transmitted into the bloodstream). Have now stopped using any hair regrowth treatments altogether.
PE journey seems to be getting more difficult from here so I'm pretty much trying to figure out the quickest way to regain my original length (and more).
That being said, I've ordered Lengthmaster 3 last week which has now arrived, so will start using immediately with the beginner routine. Ordered a Silisleeve in addition to keep elongated for as long as possible. Sadly, what was once my flaccid length has now become my elongated length.
Think I just really need some reassurance during this time and am wanting to know how fast PE users have made gains from the Lengthmaster 3 (keeping in mind that everyone has a different rate of growth). Just feeling really disheartened and defeated after all this time and effort put into PE.
Without a doubt I know I've still made my most significant gains after joining MOS just over a month ago, and even gained a little more size in girth since my last update. Seeing how much I've accomplished over the past month makes me wonder if I'm truly able to get my length gains back ASAP. Really keen to hear your thoughts/suggestions.

Current routine consists of:

• 10min session MOSRED x2 daily (warming up & warming down)
• Basic stretches (using up/down & diagonal stretches)
• Bundled stretches (left & right)
• Dual fulcrum stretch
• BTC stretches (works the best to keep me elongated)
• Started Broomstick routine a week ago
• Started wrapping 3 weeks ago

 

[oldandlively]

First of all, calm down. Your gains you've made have not been lost but converted from length to girth. It's not 1 to 1 ratio, but 1 to 0.25 ratio. The compounds you were using, especially Saw Palmetto/Serenoa contains high concentration of phytoestrogens, with a high dose of synergistic blood dilatory responses. Have you noticed that you got more hardness from the erection during masturbating and sexual intercourses? The reason why is the high concentration of dilatory compounds were still in the system and caused your blood to pump harder. While doing PE, your girth gains tend to pull from your length during this period because there was too much tissue restrictive stresses for elongation (length) while the medical tissues relaxed to accommodate for the higher blood flow, gaining you girth.

Worry not, your elongated tissues are still there, hidden in the base of your penile body, slightly more dense due to the heavy cocktail of the phytoestrogens and inhibitors. They must leave your system before your PE can be effective once again. Phytoestrogens will fight against your natural production of testosterone, promotion the needed growth. In addition, the phytoestrogens will also reduce the emergence of your own small doses of human growth hormone when your penile body is under stress loads.

For now, think of your penis like a lily plant. All your hidden growth is being condensed into dense tissues at the base of your penis in a dormant state. It will take just a bit of time for you to stretch out the dense tissues and recover what you thought you lost and believe you got an explosive growth in the process. Use the Length Master will be your saving grace due to the amount of traction force you can act upon the dense tissues.

Let's do this. Admin @squirt_inducer_man @DLD @huge-girth can one of you pull this thread and dump it over to the personal Routine and Progress subforum? Also rename the title to our brother's kppaaaaa personal progress log page?

@kppaaaaa make sure to provide us more info, such as any meds you are on, supplements you're using, and any additional tools you have beside what you mentioned. Also, check out our brothers' detailed log pages to copy their methods of reporting to provide good trend info so we can provide clearer suggestions

You can also request our brother @huge-girth for one on one coaching as well. Anything you postG here can become public info if you have too many personal info to keep private. Otherwise, you scenarios can offer other brothers needed info to protect and improve themselves as well.

To counteract the existing phytoestrogens and inhibitors in your systems now, my suggestion is to grab some bulk HMB powder, Vit D3, and l-citrulline malate supplements. I got mine from Bulk Supplements via Amazon. Why these three for the moment? They assist with the softening of the tissues, act as blood reinforcement in pushing resources to your lower extremities, and reboot your natural testosterone productivity. You don't have to us them if you don't want to. This is your call. You can do further researches to authenticate what I'm telling you before pulling the trigger to purchase.

If you decide to use the supplements and PE routines, we will provide you the needed consumption info and routine requirements. BUT, you are to observe and fine tune your routines according to your needs.

Let us know how you want to proceed.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Wow thanks for the amazingly quick response haha! Apologies if my post sounded a bit overreactive as I've only noticed these changes overnight.

So if I understand this correctly, the shortage in length isn't necessarily a sign of lost gains but rather has been converted into girth, and therefore requires some intense stretching (with the help of Lengthmaster3) for invisible penile length to be pushed back out. Currently looking into the Lengthmaster video tutorials shared by @huge-girth, plus checking other logs that share more info about the do's & dont's of LM3.

But yes that's definitely an insightful theory, which is interesting since I've been using manual stretches/ADS so I thought that I'd solely gain in length but instead have resulted in girth gains (without even pumping/jelqing during this time). Will definitely share updates on any new gains and other observations.

I forgot to mention that I've continued using Phallosan Plus for ADS-stretching (5 days per week, avg. 4-6hrs) in addition to my routine as noted above. However not sure if this is still deemed effective during this phase? since it only keeps me elongated for a few hrs compared to intense manual stretches. Sidenote -> I've utilized a trick with the extender where once my penis reaches a 'jelly-like' state then I'm able to add additional gold bars to the extender since my penis is in a greater state of flexibility. This was my other major strategy used for the past few months but wonder if this has helped anyone else majorly.

As for the recommended supplements, I've only experimented with l-citrulline malate (several months ago) in the hopes that it would enhance blood flow. But will make sure to look into all recommended supps. Also aiming to use VitD & Magnesium tablets on a 1 per day basis.

I've hardly touched Saw Palmetto now (was taken some time last year, one month duration, never used since). Same goes for topical oil (used for about less than 1 month, last used 3 days ago), still skeptical about this treatment so wont touch this.

Again, thanks so much! As someone who owns a lily plant ill keep this theory in mind about my penis.

 

[oldandlively]

Wow thanks for the amazingly quick response haha! Apologies if my post sounded a bit overreactive as I've only noticed these changes overnight.

Overnight changes are common as your body tends to do heavy regression on growth as a mean of instinctive preservation. We fight with this natural instincts constantly in PE. We actually are fighting back against our own DNA limitations.

So if I understand this correctly, the shortage in length isn't necessarily a sign of lost gains but rather has been converted into girth, and therefore requires some intense stretching (with the help of Lengthmaster3) for invisible penile length to be pushed back out.

Yes. What you are doing is merely a lower intensity side of the routines, with cocktails of supplements that worked against you in the past. Going forward, we'll find a better routine for you to use as a template and you can modify it according to your growth needs. Just like a recipe, everyone has a different reaction to a base recipe and modify accordingly to enhance the tastes in their own preferences. In this case, it's the growth needs.

But yes that's definitely an insightful theory, which is interesting since I've been using manual stretches/ADS so I thought that I'd solely gain in length but instead have resulted in girth gains (without even pumping/jelqing during this time). Will definitely share updates on any new gains and other observations.

For some, manual stretches refocus on medial expansion (internal expansion) rather than the lateral (force of outward expansion and elongation). This is why we have to introduce a more aggressive elongation to introduce micro tears along the entire penile shaft. That requires 5lbs of traction force for a minute or two. Since you wear the ADS for a while, you may need that extra 2lbs of traction force for 30 seconds to induce sudden trauma for a micro tears and reduce back to 5lbs for continuous traction force to keep the micro tears going. We'll share more as you have the LM in your hands.

By the way, make sure to read up on the comfort and reinforce mods for the LM in its subforum.

I forgot to mention that I've continued using Phallosan Plus for ADS-stretching (5 days per week, avg. 4-6hrs) in addition to my routine as noted above. However not sure if this is still deemed effective during this phase? since it only keeps me elongated for a few hrs compared to intense manual stretches.

Looks like you discovered the lack of tension force with the Phallosan Plus to deal with your elongation needs. You probably only use 1.5lbs worth of tensions and your tissues requires up to 2lbs and towards 2.5lbs to overcome the retraction strength. Great job in noticing it early in the game.

Sidenote -> I've utilized a trick with the extender where once my penis reaches a 'jelly-like' state then I'm able to add additional gold bars to the extender since my penis is in a greater state of flexibility. This was my other major strategy used for the past few months but wonder if this has helped anyone else majorly.

This is just one of the tricks in the book. You will need this for the higher intensity workouts for the LM. By allowing the loser state, you can go even further on the pulling and tugging.

As for the recommended supplements, I've only experimented with l-citrulline malate (several months ago) in the hopes that it would enhance blood flow. But will make sure to look into all recommended supps. Also aiming to use VitD & Magnesium tablets on a 1 per day basis.

Great combo to keep the tissues relaxed and the muscles to recover after a stressful bout. My suggestions is to use half dose of l-citrulline malate (2g) with the full load of HMB (4g), on top of 4,000IU of Vit D3 a few hours before the routines, and half of the l-citrulline malate during the routine in a form of hydration purpose. Your system will blood blood flow for resource delivery during this time. If you are drinking calcium, ease back on the Vit D3 to 1500IU.

I've hardly touched Saw Palmetto now (was taken some time last year, one month duration, never used since). Same goes for topical oil (used for about less than 1 month, last used 3 days ago), still skeptical about this treatment so wont touch this.

Saw Palmetto can bioaccumulate and stay in your system for 9 months after reaching a certain concentration. Depends on what you're eating as well, the concentration tends to linger past a year.

Again, thanks so much! As someone who owns a lily plant ill keep this theory in mind about my penis.

We will force that lily plant to bloom and turn into a natural force of wonder. Hang in there brother.

 

[DLD]

Overnight changes are common as your body tends to do heavy regression on growth as a mean of instinctive preservation. We fight with this natural instincts constantly in PE. We actually are fighting back against our own DNA limitations.


Yes. What you are doing is merely a lower intensity side of the routines, with cocktails of supplements that worked against you in the past. Going forward, we'll find a better routine for you to use as a template and you can modify it according to your growth needs. Just like a recipe, everyone has a different reaction to a base recipe and modify accordingly to enhance the tastes in their own preferences. In this case, it's the growth needs.


For some, manual stretches refocus on medial expansion (internal expansion) rather than the lateral (force of outward expansion and elongation). This is why we have to introduce a more aggressive elongation to introduce micro tears along the entire penile shaft. That requires 5lbs of traction force for a minute or two. Since you wear the ADS for a while, you may need that extra 2lbs of traction force for 30 seconds to induce sudden trauma for a micro tears and reduce back to 5lbs for continuous traction force to keep the micro tears going. We'll share more as you have the LM in your hands.

By the way, make sure to read up on the comfort and reinforce mods for the LM in its subforum.



Looks like you discovered the lack of tension force with the Phallosan Plus to deal with your elongation needs. You probably only use 1.5lbs worth of tensions and your tissues requires up to 2lbs and towards 2.5lbs to overcome the retraction strength. Great job in noticing it early in the game.


This is just one of the tricks in the book. You will need this for the higher intensity workouts for the LM. By allowing the loser state, you can go even further on the pulling and tugging.


Great combo to keep the tissues relaxed and the muscles to recover after a stressful bout. My suggestions is to use half dose of l-citrulline malate (2g) with the full load of HMB (4g), on top of 4,000IU of Vit D3 a few hours before the routines, and half of the l-citrulline malate during the routine in a form of hydration purpose. Your system will blood blood flow for resource delivery during this time. If you are drinking calcium, ease back on the Vit D3 to 1500IU.


Saw Palmetto can bioaccumulate and stay in your system for 9 months after reaching a certain concentration. Depends on what you're eating as well, the concentration tends to linger past a year.


We will force that lily plant to bloom and turn into a natural force of wonder. Hang in there brother.

You are so special and I am forever in your debt

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Here with a small update on Lengthmaster 3 usage

Impressed by the minimal hand effort required for stretching when compared to manual hand stretches. Currently utilizing the newbie routine in 20min sessions x2 (one during the day, one during the evening) and will spend time in-between using my Phallosan extender or healing in a Silisleeve. Aiming to take one rest day every 3 days of Lengthmaster usage.
So far I'm able to rotate 180 degrees (and a smidgen more) before I can reach a full 360 degree turn. There isn't much length that I can fit inside the chamber at this stage so I'm clamping closer to the base. I can mainly feel the stretch around by penis base. Overall, wondering if my current form sounds like it needs any improvement? Also using a Theraband + bandage wrap in addition, making sure that my foreskin is pulled back as best as possible.

Only questions I have regarding Lengthmaster 3 is how long each stretch in each direction should last for? Should I be progressively building up to do longer holds while using the newbie routine? And how much longer should I use the newbie program before incorporating a more intense stretch (like BTC)?

I know it feels a bit uncomfortable & embarrassing to look at/touch at this length but just reminding myself that my current gains are just compressed in girth-form for now...
With that being said, I'm still able to force a bit of a hands-free erection with some strength, compared to when I was first hit with ED & before I started PE. So perhaps that probably reinforces the theory noted above. Ngl I used to be able to do that hanging shower towel trick with my knob with such ease (iykyk)(xd)so hoping I get there again.

Saw Palmetto can bioaccumulate and stay in your system for 9 months after reaching a certain concentration. Depends on what you're eating as well, the concentration tends to linger past a year.

Would you say that the same theory applies to any topical hair treatments used in the past (even in low doses as previously mentioned)? as in would any of the chemicals last in my system for much longer that may counteract any PE? Planning on using the recommended supplements to help detox. Starting with Vitamin D3 and now I've re-ordered L-Citrulline Malate.

In the meantime, any other thoughts on other supplements such as Maca Root, Tribulus?

 

[oldandlively]

So far I'm able to rotate 180 degrees (and a smidgen more) before I can reach a full 360 degree turn. There isn't much length that I can fit inside the chamber at this stage so I'm clamping closer to the base. I can mainly feel the stretch around by penis base. Overall, wondering if my current form sounds like it needs any improvement?

That's perfectly fine. In due time, the length and rotations will not be a problem. Just be careful and not go too zealous mode before you can fully condition your glans and penile tissues to handle the higher intensity. Take it one step at a time.

Only questions I have regarding Lengthmaster 3 is how long each stretch in each direction should last for?

The original recipe (sounds like I'm promoting KFC and Church's fried chicken or something) goes for 30 seconds per stretch. However, you can fine tune according to your needs going as high as 3 minutes per stretch due to limited length. Customize according to your current needs. I'm currently using 1 minute per stretch right now, to fill up my 40 minutes routine. 5 different directional stretches, 10 minutes routine at a time, total of 4 breaks to get the blood flowing. Too long without allowing the glans to relax will cause the glans to suffer.

Should I be progressively building up to do longer holds while using the newbie routine?

Yes. 30 seconds is standard. 60 seconds for intermediate. Up to 3 minutes of extreme intensity for advanced or customized needs. What you are looking for is that dull pull feeling. The trick to find out that dull pull is to pull your foreskin completely back, grap hold the base of your glans, and pull downward until you get the achy dull pull feeling. That is your ligaments and tissues under stress. If you feel pain at the base, you gone too far, especially that feeling of just your skin being pulled. This is due to poor wrapping method.

And how much longer should I use the newbie program before incorporating a more intense stretch (like BTC)?

As little as 20 days, and as long as 60 days. Some have sensitive skin tissue. That requires a bit longerbto build up the needs. By the way, grab yourself a moderate size tube of 0.5% to 1% hydrocortisone on your way home from work next time. You will need it to reduce the total amount of irritation and inflammation from over working your sensitivity skin at the beginning. If you don't have time, buy it from the MOS store to deliver straight to your mailbox.

I know it feels a bit uncomfortable & embarrassing to look at/touch at this length but just reminding myself that my current gains are just compressed in girth-form for now...

You work on PE to improve yourself. Do not compare to others on any level. You set your objectives to find the improvements you need, and never look at others for comparison. You can use them as references but never to compare yourself to them. You have positive points that they don't have and they have positive points that you don't have. Work hard for your own improvements and needs. Never feel embarrassed or down about such trivial matters. We are all here to find ourselves and not to indulge on the naked people movie aspects as entertainers to make it your reality. If you find someone that compares you to others, you are in a toxic relationship. If that personal encourages you and thank you for improving yourself to fulfill them for their needs, that person is a keeper.

With that being said, I'm still able to force a bit of a hands-free erection with some strength, compared to when I was first hit with ED & before I started PE. So perhaps that probably reinforces the theory noted above. Ngl I used to be able to do that hanging shower towel trick with my knob with such ease (iykyk)(xd)so hoping I get there again.

You will. PE improves various parts of the penile health. Just need to stick with it and find one solution at a time. We will offer our collective knowledge as best as we can.

Would you say that the same theory applies to any topical hair treatments used in the past (even in low doses as previously mentioned)? as in would any of the chemicals last in my system for much longer that may counteract any PE?

Yes. Any internal consumption of chemical cocktails will cause bioaccumulation. The body will try hard to get rid of the uncertaint or unnecessary concentration. This is where your kidneys and livers get the big hits. Too much stresses, your system suffers and attempt diversion of resources to heal both organs. Since your penis is last on the list for anything, it takes the biggest deficit cut of resources meant for growth. Low doses add up over time, just like fat clogs your arteries or your sewer drains over time. What you don't see, it will surface its ugly head later. You already see it for yourself.

Planning on using the recommended supplements to help detox. Starting with Vitamin D3 and now I've re-ordered L-Citrulline Malate.

Do ease up on the Vit D3 if you have other supplements with Vit D in the list. Total should not exceed 4000IU. On top of that, if you are taking calcium, back off more. Medical journals have been warning that too much VitD and calcium caused too much unneeded absorbed calcium in the system, creating havocs on the internal balances.

In the meantime, any other thoughts on other supplements such as Maca Root, Tribulus?

Try Hawthorne extracts (berries and leaves) to boost libido, which enhances the blood flow to command erection on demands. Maca root extract is also good, but bioaccumulation can create unwanted side effects. Rather than try to refocus on ED and blood flow, supercharge your system with antioxidants instead to induce protective resources and growth potentials.

 

[DLD]

That's perfectly fine. In due time, the length and rotations will not be a problem. Just be careful and not go too zealous mode before you can fully condition your glans and penile tissues to handle the higher intensity. Take it one step at a time.


The original recipe (sounds like I'm promoting KFC and Church's fried chicken or something) goes for 30 seconds per stretch. However, you can fine tune according to your needs going as high as 3 minutes per stretch due to limited length. Customize according to your current needs. I'm currently using 1 minute per stretch right now, to fill up my 40 minutes routine. 5 different directional stretches, 10 minutes routine at a time, total of 4 breaks to get the blood flowing. Too long without allowing the glans to relax will cause the glans to suffer.


Yes. 30 seconds is standard. 60 seconds for intermediate. Up to 3 minutes of extreme intensity for advanced or customized needs. What you are looking for is that dull pull feeling. The trick to find out that dull pull is to pull your foreskin completely back, grap hold the base of your glans, and pull downward until you get the achy dull pull feeling. That is your ligaments and tissues under stress. If you feel pain at the base, you gone too far, especially that feeling of just your skin being pulled. This is due to poor wrapping method.


As little as 20 days, and as long as 60 days. Some have sensitive skin tissue. That requires a bit longerbto build up the needs. By the way, grab yourself a moderate size tube of 0.5% to 1% hydrocortisone on your way home from work next time. You will need it to reduce the total amount of irritation and inflammation from over working your sensitivity skin at the beginning. If you don't have time, buy it from the MOS store to deliver straight to your mailbox.


You work on PE to improve yourself. Do not compare to others on any level. You set your objectives to find the improvements you need, and never look at others for comparison. You can use them as references but never to compare yourself to them. You have positive points that they don't have and they have positive points that you don't have. Work hard for your own improvements and needs. Never feel embarrassed or down about such trivial matters. We are all here to find ourselves and not to indulge on the naked people movie aspects as entertainers to make it your reality. If you find someone that compares you to others, you are in a toxic relationship. If that personal encourages you and thank you for improving yourself to fulfill them for their needs, that person is a keeper.


You will. PE improves various parts of the penile health. Just need to stick with it and find one solution at a time. We will offer our collective knowledge as best as we can.


Yes. Any internal consumption of chemical cocktails will cause bioaccumulation. The body will try hard to get rid of the uncertaint or unnecessary concentration. This is where your kidneys and livers get the big hits. Too much stresses, your system suffers and attempt diversion of resources to heal both organs. Since your penis is last on the list for anything, it takes the biggest deficit cut of resources meant for growth. Low doses add up over time, just like fat clogs your arteries or your sewer drains over time. What you don't see, it will surface its ugly head later. You already see it for yourself.


Do ease up on the Vit D3 if you have other supplements with Vit D in the list. Total should not exceed 4000IU. On top of that, if you are taking calcium, back off more. Medical journals have been warning that too much VitD and calcium caused too much unneeded absorbed calcium in the system, creating havocs on the internal balances.


Try Hawthorne extracts (berries and leaves) to boost libido, which enhances the blood flow to command erection on demands. Maca root extract is also good, but bioaccumulation can create unwanted side effects. Rather than try to refocus on ED and blood flow, supercharge your system with antioxidants instead to induce protective resources and growth potentials.

Incredible advice

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

1 week of Lengthmaster:

Finally adapting to the routine of 2x 20min sessions and fair to say I can definitely feel soreness to an extent. I've been able to reach a full 360 degree rotation during one of my sessions but otherwise I can stretch up to 180 degrees. At this stage it seems a bit hit & miss with how far I can rotate, but I suppose there could be various factors impacting this, might depend on my current technique, wrapping or level of intensity. Dealing with cold weather as well so the skin of my penis & scrotum also feels a bit restricted, perhaps temperature is affecting how far I can stretch, otherwise it feels like I'm ripping my skin if it doesn't feel relaxed.

On another note, I can definitely feel soreness during and outside of my Lengthmaster routine, which often comes and goes in phases. Think I can mostly feel a sore sensation within my ligaments, I've been experiencing some sore points lingering around the penis base area on most days. I can also feel short lapses of inner penis soreness (I assume this could be the 'dull pain' mentioned in previous posts), although they don't show up as often as the soreness in my ligs. Inner penis soreness is especially noticeable in an elongated state (when I wear my ADS stretcher), so I'm beginning to see a pattern there.

I'm sure these are meant to be positive signs of a solid stretch + potential gains to come, and not just ripping skin (xd) As far as manual bundled stretches go, think I've been able to reach a new level of intensity which might have added to my ligs soreness. Perhaps this is because I've been stretching at a certain length/distance based on my previous measurements, which overall results in a greater pulling force.

But for now, might take a rest from Lengthmaster today. Glands are feeling a bit soft/limp so I think I may have overworked my penis a bit while using by regular routine in addition to Lengthmaster. Will bounce back soon (like)

 

[oldandlively]

Wow. You went pretty hard core on the first week there. 2x10 minutes on the Length Master should be sufficient to get the ligs and tissues going. Overworking the tissues straight out the gate can cause more fatigues and lack of gains than you may think. Start slowly to allow the penis to adapt. 10 minutes session at a time, unlock the plates, massage the penis to allow blood to flow a bit, even a good old SSJ to get the blood pumping, and then the next set. Don't go straight for 20 minutes and make your glans suffer.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Wow. You went pretty hard core on the first week there. 2x10 minutes on the Length Master should be sufficient to get the ligs and tissues going. Overworking the tissues straight out the gate can cause more fatigues and lack of gains than you may think. Start slowly to allow the penis to adapt. 10 minutes session at a time, unlock the plates, massage the penis to allow blood to flow a bit, even a good old SSJ to get the blood pumping, and then the next set. Don't go straight for 20 minutes and make your glans suffer.

Noted, i'll take it easy next time around with 10min sessions. Think I only just went a bit harder on yesterdays session. Thankfully it doesnt feel as though ive caused any kind of serious damage. Will use MOSRED for extra healing.

 

[DLD]

Take you time as you go on. Stick with your routine until there is a lack of growth. From there add time and intensity

 

[bemorethanbig]

Good Job, hit it with the RED.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

LENGTH UPDATE

It's been a month since I've started using the LENGTHMASTER 3 and I'm happy to confirm that I've achieved some results already. Regained approx. 0.5" inches in length since my last update. No changes in girth. Sharing some insights into my Lengthmaster journey so far:

Lengthmaster application
Took a bit of time for me to adjust to the Lengthmaster and understand how to use it properly but eventually worked through it. First lesson I learned was to make sure my wrapping was on point, especially if you're uncircumsized. Any loose wrapping could risk your foreskin being pushed back up from its retracted position when you stretch.
Have also experimented with positioning the chamber on the base & the mid-shaft to get a better feel for what works better. Stretching at the base was slightly painful at first as my skin was being stretched rather than reaching deep into the inner penis. Meanwhile attaching approx. an inch above the base felt less painful and allowed for more rotations. Otherwise have heard mixed feedback for both options having benefits.
Other key points ->
- Making sure my THERABAND is tightly wrapped with no creases or gaps to ensure there is no slippage
- Using a light bandage wrap so I'm able to stretch deep into the inner penis instead of stretching skin
- Using the black tape (which was included in my LM3 package) to help with friction
- Have added extra padding to the base of the chamber (hard to explain but there's a slight portion of padding that doesn't cover over the edge and feels like a sharp corner piercing the underside of my shaft when clamped), but am still able to achieve a deep penis stretch

Lengthmaster routine
Followed the newbie routine as demonstrated in @huge-girth videos. Routine consisted of upward stretches, downward stretches and left/right stretches, bundling in left & right rotations. Avg. 30 sec holds. Upon finishing my 1st routine out of 2 I pop into my Phallosan Plus for elongation. After each week of Lengthmaster usage, it becomes easier to achieve a full 360 rotation without feeling pain from stretching skin. Simply conditioning the penis to become more flexible. After maybe my 4th week, I've eventually progressed into a routine consisting of downward stretches based on another video I saw with a sitting-down variation (allows for better pulling force) and BTC stretches. Avg. 30-60 sec holds. These were my two winners for length gain.
After I attempted BTC (non-bundled) for the first time, I felt an intense soreness in my ligs for probably a whole 24hrs. Used both stretches again the following day using 180 degree stretches, eventually building up to 360 degree stretches, and I can almost always feel an intense stretch in my ligs and inner penis every time. Following this routine for a week was when I noticed my new gains.

Excited to see what else I can accomplish with Lenghtmaster, however I'm just noticing a small blister on the topside of my shaft at the base, so might rest a little.

Other side notes:

- Upon starting my Lengthmaster routines, I simply perform rotations (no stretches) from left to right which I find helps the skin to warm up and makes it easier to reach a full rotation quicker

- For my Phallosan Plus, I've been able to add more length to the golden bars which at times helps with the deep penis stretch sensation following a Lengthmaster workout, and perhaps has accelerated growth as well

- Started to implement ball & lig stretches into my PE routines, I've been attempting these stretches during my MOSRED sessions and tend to use the stretch where balls are pulled up & penis is pulled down, but open to any feedback regarding this

 

[bemorethanbig]

- Started to implement ball & lig stretches into my PE routines, I've been attempting these stretches during my MOS-RED | NIR INFRARED LIGHT THERAPY FOR ERECTION QUALITY sessions and tend to use the stretch where balls are pulled up & penis is pulled down, but open to any feedback regarding this

Awesome. Do you start with this? so you get warm up , healing and stretch all at the same time, Under 30 min is recommended. I do this during manual stretches

 

[DLD]

Incredible! Great routine and awesome information

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Awesome. Do you start with this? so you get warm up , healing and stretch all at the same time, Under 30 min is recommended. I do this during manual stretches

Lately I've been using ball & lig stretches during my warm down sessions with MOS, but ideally I'd like do these stretches during my warm up as well. The mornings are freezing cold at this time of year where I'm from, so when I'm doing a warm up session early in the day its more difficult trying to get the scrotum skin to relax and not shrivel, meaning its harder to get a solid stretch compared to when I'm stretching in the afternoon.

Additionally, I'd agree it's still best practice to do some basic manual stretches in front of my MOS when warming up/down. I aim to do this at the beginning of my PE sessions before jumping into some more intense exercises.

 

[DLD]

So proud of you for using the ball and lig stretch. Don't worry about that tightness is will fade into a massive cock

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Ok so lately these past few days I've been experiencing quite some skin irritation around the base of my penis & lower shaft. I've only noticed this while my penis has been wrapped for elongation. Normally I would begin to itch after a fair few hours of wrapping but now I start to feel it after the first 1-2 hours (have also observed slight redness).

Just trying to figure out what the issue might be, even when my wrapping method has been fairly consistent. I tend to use my silicone penis sleeve or a bandage, usually both if I feel as though I'm more prone to turtling. All of these methods have worked to keep me elongated for long.

Have also utilized the hydrocortisone cream since using Lengthmaster. I try to apply it after my first intense stretching session for the day, but most of the time I just use it whenever the itching issue arises. Perhaps it could be a matter of when is the right time to apply the cream? Or how often should I use the cream? Any other recommendations on how to combat the issue would be great (like) Just hoping to not remove my wraps sooner than required whenever my skin gets irritated. Then again, I did shave over the weekend so this may have some kind of impact lol

Aside from this, overall progress has been ok! Haven't seen any newer gains as of yet but I've aimed to keep consistent with Lengthmastering. At times, I have been able to rotate as far as 1.5 full rotations from 1 full turn, but only going to the max in shorter holds to ease into it and prevent injury (can also feel the difference in flexibility when I perform a manual bundle). No major changes to my LM routine but just keeping note of when I feel less intensity during my current stretches, which I would try to resolve by either stretching harder or twisting further.

 

[oldandlively]

Ok so lately these past few days I've been experiencing quite some skin irritation around the base of my penis & lower shaft. I've only noticed this while my penis has been wrapped for elongation. Normally I would begin to itch after a fair few hours of wrapping but now I start to feel it after the first 1-2 hours (have also observed slight redness).

Just trying to figure out what the issue might be, even when my wrapping method has been fairly consistent. I tend to use my silicone penis sleeve or a bandage, usually both if I feel as though I'm more prone to turtling. All of these methods have worked to keep me elongated for long.

You might suffering hear rash. It's quite common for sensitive skin. Beside heat rash, you can also suffer from allergy from the materials. Try to wrap it around your thighs to test for heat rash and allergy effects.

Also wrap based on length of time. If you notice the heat rash occurs in 2 hours, wrap for 1 hour on, 1 hour off.

Have also utilized the hydrocortisone cream since using Lengthmaster. I try to apply it after my first intense stretching session for the day, but most of the time I just use it whenever the itching issue arises. Perhaps it could be a matter of when is the right time to apply the cream?

You can use it after each complete routine. However try not to use it more than 3 times a day.

Or how often should I use the cream? Any other recommendations on how to combat the issue would be great (like) Just hoping to not remove my wraps sooner than required whenever my skin gets irritated. Then again, I did shave over the weekend so this may have some kind of impact lol

Max is three times a day as you will be using it long term. However use it after each complete session.

Aside from this, overall progress has been ok! Haven't seen any newer gains as of yet but I've aimed to keep consistent with Lengthmastering. At times, I have been able to rotate as far as 1.5 full rotations from 1 full turn, but only going to the max in shorter holds to ease into it and prevent injury (can also feel the difference in flexibility when I perform a manual bundle). No major changes to my LM routine but just keeping note of when I feel less intensity during my current stretches, which I would try to resolve by either stretching harder or twisting further.

Done patient and evaluate for gains after 3 months and then 6 months. What you may not see in 3 months, you may see explosive growth in 6 months.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Hi checking in after a small hiatus, haven't been online in a while as I've been travelling overseas over the past month. Trying to do PE while travelling with others (especially in sweltering heat) hasn't been easy. I've barely been able to fit in time for PE and have only managed to do manual streches to a small extent. Therefore, have yet to see any further results.

Thankfully, I'm back home and have picked up from where I left off, using a combination of Lengthmaster, MOSRED etc.

Think I just wanted to reach out and see how else I can fasten my length growths. As far as my LM routine goes, I've continued to use downward stretches and BTC stretches over 2x 20min sessions, aiming for 60sec holds for added intensity. However, I don't seem to be feeling the same type of soreness in my inner penis/ligs like I previously did prior to making my last length gains (like a long lasting sensation). So I'm curious as to whether my routine is slowly working towards new growth or if I should start to change up by routine a bit.

For one, I'm able to rotate as far as 1.5 full turns and have occasionally hit 2 full rotations as well, thats if my penis is well stretched enough (clamp is closer to the glands than the base). Otherwise, I'm not sure if its too soon to be introducing new stretches/techniques. Third idea I have is to clamp a bit lower (maybe mid-shift or close to base) to tackle the ligs a bit more, even though I won't be able to rotate as far. Or else, should I continue with the same techniques to keep pushing into more rotations? I'm sure everyone's bodies react differently when using one single method but keen to hear any other suggestions.


Sidenote, the skin irritation mentioned in my last post has disappeared, couldn't imagine what has caused it but potentially an overexposure to LED light? (too close or too long idk) but I feel better. I find vasoline is also a good option pre-wrapping if I feel like I've overdoing hydrocortisone.

 

[oldandlively]

Think I just wanted to reach out and see how else I can fasten my length growths. As far as my LM routine goes, I've continued to use downward stretches and BTC stretches over 2x 20min sessions, aiming for 60sec holds for added intensity. However, I don't seem to be feeling the same type of soreness in my inner penis/ligs like I previously did prior to making my last length gains (like a long lasting sensation). So I'm curious as to whether my routine is slowly working towards new growth or if I should start to change up by routine a bit.

Try to break it down to 3x10-minute sessions each. You're place your glans under too much pressure burden. You may see your glans reduces in size or higher bruising. Just something to be aware of. Allow the glans to get some blood back by releasing the plates. You may not have to undo your wrapping, but make sure to massage or roll the wrapping between your palms rigorously to get the blood to flow to your glans. Any pooling blood greater than 10 minutes in the glans can build blood clots, which we try to stay far, far, FAR away from. I'm just being a sounding board for safety.

For one, I'm able to rotate as far as 1.5 full turns and have occasionally hit 2 full rotations as well, thats if my penis is well stretched enough (clamp is closer to the glands than the base).

Nice! Rotational twist is an indicator that your penile shaft shifts gear to a malleable willingness to enable your penile shaft to break down with micro tears and promote elongation growth. I'm at 2.5 and nearly at 2.75. But when I'm doing BTC, I only use 2 full rotations. When I pull straight down for the starting and sending minutes for warm up and cool down, I do full rotations. If you need more info on this, I can provide more insights.

Otherwise, I'm not sure if its too soon to be introducing new stretches/techniques.

If you know you can go into new routine sets to select other approaches, switch. You can do this on a monthly basis if you like, or you can switch out every 6 week to 8 weeks. Never too soon to keep the penis guessing.

Third idea I have is to clamp a bit lower (maybe mid-shift or close to base) to tackle the ligs a bit more, even though I won't be able to rotate as far. Or else, should I continue with the same techniques to keep pushing into more rotations? I'm sure everyone's bodies react differently when using one single method but keen to hear any other suggestions.

If you want your penis to do a high mast raise and not point out or down, you can simply focus on the entire penile shaft pulling. If you want the extra segment to show but at the sacrifice of your supporting ligaments, yes, strap it closer to the mid or lower part of the penile shaft and stress the ligaments and muscles out. It's merely aesthetic reasons for the penis to point straight up for younger bucks. Us older guys only care about the size of the penis.

Same techniques applied. The rotation will be less, around half to 1 full rotation. You don't have to do rotations if you don't want to. It's all about the traction pull to stress the ligaments and muscles behind the cheeks and straight down. I stress mine by slighly pull to one side for 1 minute, then the other, while pulling straight down or straight back. This adds the element of muscle tissue stressors whie placing the ligaments under stresses.

Sidenote, the skin irritation mentioned in my last post has disappeared, couldn't imagine what has caused it but potentially an overexposure to LED light? (too close or too long idk) but I feel better. I find vasoline is also a good option pre-wrapping if I feel like I've overdoing hydrocortisone.

Yes, too close to the LED when your skin is getting used to the lights can be a factor. Too much heat causing heat rash as well. But using Vasoline for pre-wrapping, that's interesting. Any issues with slippage?

 

[DLD]

Why use vaseline?

 

[Flexos]

I'm a manual stretcher, I use RED + NIR during this process for 30 min a day and then the 5 x 5 x 3. I have been using RED + NIR on my body for 6 months now , practically 4 to 5 times a week. No issues at all. If I am just using it for just warm up, All I need is 10 min. If I am doing stretches then I add this to the routine

Having balls exposed to RED light has been clinically proven to be OK or beneficial. No reports I have seen of anything negative. But it's your body so you can cover it with cloth as needed.

RED + NIR for the most part MAX a day is usually up to 30 min but trust your body in what it wants. That does not mean that 30 min is better that just means that the MAX for the most part is 30 min a day. I am just saying that most studies, in general, have been all under 30 min for Red Light.

Also, every Red light is different so find the distance and time that works best for you.

Last, I don't do Bathmate, I use something similar to mityvac, if you have gotten injured, I recommend using a pump and gauge so you know how much pressure you are at. I like knowing my Hg.

Sad to read about your thrombosis man! Hope it didn't left any harm on the long run. What were your first steps dealing with it? Maybe there is already a thread

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

If you want your penis to do a high mast raise and not point out or down, you can simply focus on the entire penile shaft pulling. If you want the extra segment to show but at the sacrifice of your supporting ligaments, yes, strap it closer to the mid or lower part of the penile shaft and stress the ligaments and muscles out. It's merely aesthetic reasons for the penis to point straight up for younger bucks. Us older guys only care about the size of the penis.

Same techniques applied. The rotation will be less, around half to 1 full rotation. You don't have to do rotations if you don't want to. It's all about the traction pull to stress the ligaments and muscles behind the cheeks and straight down. I stress mine by slighly pull to one side for 1 minute, then the other, while pulling straight down or straight back. This adds the element of muscle tissue stressors whie placing the ligaments under stresses.

Brilliant ideas! I could try out a slight pull to either side during BTC & straight down, and perhaps try out some upward stretches as well. Might be a good time to experiment new stretches at least each month. Think I'll get a solid understanding of what works and what doesn't once I start feeling that long-lasting soreness again.

Also agree that it's a good idea to allow for blood circulation during my PE workouts, especially during those random times that I get hard. I normally loosen the plates to let the blood flow, then I'll screw myself in again and continue from there.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Why use vaseline?

I probably should've elaborated on this more. When I was first going through a heat rash episode I read somewhere that vaseline could be used as a short term fix for skin irritation. So I experimented a little bit and found out that I managed to stay wrapped for a bit extra longer (only applied vaseline around the base of my penis). I also figured this could be a fair option whenever I was using hydrocortisone but was trying not to overdo the daily recommended usage (as previously mentioned in one of the last posts). So yes it might be an option to consider if your skin feels dry and irritable, however I wouldn't settle with vaseline as a long-term solution for PE usage and would rather prioritise hydrocortisone. Keeping in mind, there tends to be a bit more slippage after applying vaseline.

 

[yujiro]

It's great to see you made some progress after the DHT-blocker experience. I am starting to get into PE and read everything I can. However, I'm into hair loss as well.

So what medication did you take, it was finasteride? I read some studies, and it can actually shrink the penis size, but it's extremely rare. Still, maybe you should look into topical finasteride, here is a guide to achieve the right dose without systemic leakage. Not sure if I can post links, but here you go: Topical Finasteride: The Best Dosage for Maximizing Regrowth and Minimizing Side Effects.

Maybe it will help!

 

[yujiro]

Also, I would suggest you get some blood work done and check hormonal levels (total test, free test, DHT, estradiol, etc). If you block DHT with medication you should have enough free testosterone for androgenic activity. I highly suspect your penis didn't shrink in size, but the quality of your erection is lower. Check this guy on youtube, it talks specifically about this subject.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

It's great to see you made some progress after the DHT-blocker experience. I am starting to get into PE and read everything I can. However, I'm into hair loss as well.

So what medication did you take, it was finasteride? I read some studies, and it can actually shrink the penis size, but it's extremely rare. Still, maybe you should look into topical finasteride, here is a guide to achieve the right dose without systemic leakage. Not sure if I can post links, but here you go: Topical Finasteride: The Best Dosage for Maximizing Regrowth and Minimizing Side Effects.

Maybe it will help!

Hey thanks for reaching out! I've only taken Saw Palmetto as an oral treatment before I first noticed that I lost size. I'd say I've used the treatment for approx. a month and then stopped, but then a month later that's when I first noticed shrinkage as well as losing my ability to gain a full erection. Did some research into it afterwards and it seems as though the side effects are very similar to Finasteride etc. even though Saw Palmetto is kind of presented as a more 'natural' supplement and can be easily bought from a pharmacy. Totally understand that penile shrinkage is said to be rare after consumption but it's definitely hard to dismiss the fact that this is what caused my shrinkage issues to begin with.

Tbh I'm quite apprehensive about topical treatments to this day, even though they're said to have lower risks compared to oral treatments, think this might be to do with topical hair loss treatment still being able to travel into the bloodstream (correct me if I'm wrong here not 100% sure about the science). At this stage, hair regrowth is probably my second-most highest priority next to PE but I've just taken a break from any kind of chemical treatment altogether. Have previously looked into PRP, dermarolling etc.
While we're at it, I do have a MOSRED that I use daily for PE, might come in handy hey

Also, I would suggest you get some blood work done and check hormonal levels (total test, free test, DHT, estradiol, etc). If you block DHT with medication you should have enough free testosterone for androgenic activity. I highly suspect your penis didn't shrink in size, but the quality of your erection is lower. Check this guy on youtube, it talks specifically about this subject.

I remember when I first looked into treating ED I visited a series of doctors and underwent several consultations, blood tests, testicular scans etc. and they assured me that my blood & testosterone levels appeared normal. Yes, this was positive news but there was nothing any of the doctors could do to address the fact that I lost size (they pretty much told me to wait for a long time for the effects to wear off... well looking back that never really solved anything lol). It was the most disheartening news ever but thankfully afterwards I happened to discover PE and how it's benefited guys going through ED (or not).

So yeah, that's a bit of my background story but appreciate the info shared! Wishing you the best of luck with your PE & hair loss journey!

 

[DLD]

Hey thanks for reaching out! I've only taken Saw Palmetto as an oral treatment before I first noticed that I lost size. I'd say I've used the treatment for approx. a month and then stopped, but then a month later that's when I first noticed shrinkage as well as losing my ability to gain a full erection. Did some research into it afterwards and it seems as though the side effects are very similar to Finasteride etc. even though Saw Palmetto is kind of presented as a more 'natural' supplement and can be easily bought from a pharmacy. Totally understand that penile shrinkage is said to be rare after consumption but it's definitely hard to dismiss the fact that this is what caused my shrinkage issues to begin with.

Tbh I'm quite apprehensive about topical treatments to this day, even though they're said to have lower risks compared to oral treatments, think this might be to do with topical hair loss treatment still being able to travel into the bloodstream (correct me if I'm wrong here not 100% sure about the science). At this stage, hair regrowth is probably my second-most highest priority next to PE but I've just taken a break from any kind of chemical treatment altogether. Have previously looked into PRP, dermarolling etc.
While we're at it, I do have a MOSRED that I use daily for PE, might come in handy hey


I remember when I first looked into treating ED I visited a series of doctors and underwent several consultations, blood tests, testicular scans etc. and they assured me that my blood & testosterone levels appeared normal. Yes, this was positive news but there was nothing any of the doctors could do to address the fact that I lost size (they pretty much told me to wait for a long time for the effects to wear off... well looking back that never really solved anything lol). It was the most disheartening news ever but thankfully afterwards I happened to discover PE and how it's benefited guys going through ED (or not).

So yeah, that's a bit of my background story but appreciate the info shared! Wishing you the best of luck with your PE & hair loss journey!

You could also save up and get implants. My Brother had the same issue and had a transplant and it's holding strong for 2 years now

 

[oldandlively]

@kppaaaaa Okay brother, I got to check up on you. How's your progression coming along? I want to check up on the brother starting on their recent journies and making sure all is well. Always know that we are here to support you all the way to grow. If you need help with the discipline, let us know. We'll take time to check up on you more frequently to keep you focused on your course.

 

[DLD]

So important to keep men going by bumping their thread. @huge-girth was on this and it truly helped the brotherhood. I wonder where he is.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Thanks for keeping in touch!
Have not come across any new growths but will give you an update on my current routine:

Wrapping:
So I made some tweaks to my current wrapping method as I found that there have been some instances of slippage, which usually occurs as I'm pulling my Lengthmaster in a downward direction. Have noticed even more slippage when I pull in an upward direction, even while the plates & bolts are screwed on firmly. While my foreskin is fully retracted, I notice my frenulum slowly pushes itself out at first, then eventually smaller surrounding parts at the top of my foreskin. At times I even notice the top of my wrap pushing into the base of my glands nearing the end of some sets which doesnt sound ideal.
So now I've used shorter pieces of Theraband by cutting into two long pieces which I wrap around the top & bottom halves of my shaft (made a small difference by reducing the amount of folds/creases in the Theraband), also used a short length of bandage and then used a longer piece of the black tape so it wraps around my entire shaft (trying to reduce friction across all parts of my shaft). This has made a slightly positive difference in the quality of grip in the Lengthmaster.

Lengthmaster routine:
Firstly, I've decided to attach the lengthmaster closer to the base of the shaft so there's more focus on lig stretches, as opposed to attaching close to the glands (being mindful about clamping etc.). When pulling straight down (seated) I feel a noticeable difference in my ligs as I'm able to feel a deep inner soreness (dull stretch), may feel uncomfortable but I try to let this feeling sit in this position for each rep.
More recently, I came across another user's post regarding their current routine with suggestions to aim for 5min holds, rotating left to right, in a BTC position (think this may have been shared by SIM). So I've been experimenting with this routine for a few days now to see if I notice any new changes or sensations.
Routine consisted of 2x downward stretches + 2x BTC stretches lasting close to 5mins each, gripping at the shaft base, and then immediately jumping into a 10min MOSRED session after my 2nd workout of the day. As I'm attaching at the base, I can only fit in less rotations but can gradually rotate as far as 1.5 bundles (there might be a BTC video demonstrating this). Felt sore on my first day of the updated routine but not so much on my 2nd or 3rd day. Similarly, my penis was more noticeably elongated after my first attempt, (while unwrapping and sitting in front of my MOSRED) but back to normal on the following days (idk if this is due to a lack of technique or just something new that my penis is getting used to). So yes the routine sounds promising but I feel like I'll need to feel a constant lig/inner penis soreness before I can feel 100% confident in my routine. Also making sure to remove penis from the chamber in between sets.

ADS:
Still using my Phallosan Plus during my weekdays or on days where I'm resting from Lengthmaster, with a focus on increasing the bar length after the 1st hour of usage. I also aim to put my Phallosan Plus on after a Lengthmaster routine to keep my penis in a fatigued state with microtears. However, it's hard for me to tell if this device is actually making a real contribution to my gains or if my penis has outgrown Phallosan Plus. I don't think I've felt any direct soreness from this extender alone as of recent. So I'm not sure if I should stick with this device or opt for a different model? (e.g silistretcher). Wonder if there's a major difference in models with a rod system or ones using a belt (like phallosan forte) as I'm able to get away with using a rod system during WFH.

Once again, thanking you all for reaching out and keen to hear your thoughts on my routine and for any other suggestions to gain length asap

 

[oldandlively]

Thanks for keeping in touch!
Have not come across any new growths but will give you an update on my current routine:

Looks like the routines needed to be revised to break the initial needs. Don't stay in a routine too long. You need to constantly change your routines every 4 to 6 weeks to keep the body break out of the static adaptation rate. If you need more help and info, let us know.

Wrapping:
So I made some tweaks to my current wrapping method as I found that there have been some instances of slippage, which usually occurs as I'm pulling my Lengthmaster in a downward direction. Have noticed even more slippage when I pull in an upward direction, even while the plates & bolts are screwed on firmly. While my foreskin is fully retracted, I notice my frenulum slowly pushes itself out at first, then eventually smaller surrounding parts at the top of my foreskin. At times I even notice the top of my wrap pushing into the base of my glands nearing the end of some sets which doesnt sound ideal.
So now I've used shorter pieces of Theraband by cutting into two long pieces which I wrap around the top & bottom halves of my shaft (made a small difference by reducing the amount of folds/creases in the Theraband), also used a short length of bandage and then used a longer piece of the black tape so it wraps around my entire shaft (trying to reduce friction across all parts of my shaft). This has made a slightly positive difference in the quality of grip in the Lengthmaster.

Sounds like you're working out the kinds to the wrapping. We have methods of all kind. If you're not gaining any success on the wrap, we'll all help. By the way, make sure to wrap a bit more "bulky". The bulkiness is the key to create traction compression to hold the penile shaft in place, especially near the base of the glans. Let us know if you need more visual tips. I've recently posted the methods to help the brothers.

Lengthmaster routine:
Firstly, I've decided to attach the lengthmaster closer to the base of the shaft so there's more focus on lig stretches, as opposed to attaching close to the glands (being mindful about clamping etc.). When pulling straight down (seated) I feel a noticeable difference in my ligs as I'm able to feel a deep inner soreness (dull stretch), may feel uncomfortable but I try to let this feeling sit in this position for each rep.
More recently, I came across another user's post regarding their current routine with suggestions to aim for 5min holds, rotating left to right, in a BTC position (think this may have been shared by SIM). So I've been experimenting with this routine for a few days now to see if I notice any new changes or sensations.
Routine consisted of 2x downward stretches + 2x BTC stretches lasting close to 5mins each, gripping at the shaft base, and then immediately jumping into a 10min MOSRED session after my 2nd workout of the day. As I'm attaching at the base, I can only fit in less rotations but can gradually rotate as far as 1.5 bundles (there might be a BTC video demonstrating this). Felt sore on my first day of the updated routine but not so much on my 2nd or 3rd day. Similarly, my penis was more noticeably elongated after my first attempt, (while unwrapping and sitting in front of my MOSRED) but back to normal on the following days (idk if this is due to a lack of technique or just something new that my penis is getting used to). So yes the routine sounds promising but I feel like I'll need to feel a constant lig/inner penis soreness before I can feel 100% confident in my routine. Also making sure to remove penis from the chamber in between sets.

Looks like you got your routines for the attack. but don't just focus so much on the ligs that you fail to push for the tunica as well. 85% to 90% is your tunica and shaft lengthening, while only 10% to 15% is your ligs. I would say dedicate one set of the aggressive routines for the ligs, and the rest of the sets for the tunica.

ADS:
Still using my Phallosan Plus during my weekdays or on days where I'm resting from Lengthmaster, with a focus on increasing the bar length after the 1st hour of usage. I also aim to put my Phallosan Plus on after a Lengthmaster routine to keep my penis in a fatigued state with microtears. However, it's hard for me to tell if this device is actually making a real contribution to my gains or if my penis has outgrown Phallosan Plus. I don't think I've felt any direct soreness from this extender alone as of recent. So I'm not sure if I should stick with this device or opt for a different model? (e.g silistretcher). Wonder if there's a major difference in models with a rod system or ones using a belt (like phallosan forte) as I'm able to get away with using a rod system during WFH.

After an aggressive Length Master routine, as long as you can use 800g to 1100g of traction force for the next 4 hours, optimally at 10 hours, you'll see the growth faster. Your extender will act as an elongation device to keep the cellular gaps for adaptive repairs. That means your cells are working hard to fill in the missing gaps during the elongation state. Same for smaller cells combining to make larger cells. But, the trick is to constantly keep the traction pressure at 800g to 1100g. Even with the SiliStretcher, I have to constantly adjusting it to ensure it's under proper tension. After a while, you can feel the proper tension simply by tugging on the penis and the sensation of tension will tell you immediately. For now, you just have to look at the springs under tension indicator.

Once again, thanking you all for reaching out and keen to hear your thoughts on my routine and for any other suggestions to gain length asap

Always know we are here for you. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and never stop asking. Inform us more of your progress as well.

 

[DLD]

Always know we are here for you. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and never stop asking. Inform us more of your progress as well.

All brothers need to take advantage of the information and knowledge we offer. Never fear asking questions

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Ok this probably came around too soon but I think I might have to take a rest from lengthmaster for the next few days (at least 3-4). I've had a small cut on the top of my shaft which I've tried to push through during my last few workouts but the cut doesn't seem to go away. So while I'm resting up I'm gonna spend this time into researching PE and gather more info that I could apply to my daily routines.

For the time being, I'll continue using my Phallosan Plus (aiming for more than the standard minimum of 4 hours) in addition to elongated wrapping during my healing. Will also continue to use 2x daily MOSRED sessions for 10mins each.

As for my cut, I'll be using Vitamin E oil on a daily basis. I normally use this when I come across any cuts, bruising, funny veins etc. or anything that should help repair the skin. Otherwise, open to learning about other treatment alternatives for these types of injuries or similar.

Should also mention I'm currently taking Citrulline Malate, HMB Powder and Vitamin D3 as previously recommended, as well as a Maca Root supplement in tablet form. Have also read that D3+K2 supplements are especially effective when it comes to nutrient absorption but curious to hear if you have any thoughts on this?

Now while I'm resting up, I'm reading into a few different topics, one of them being the concept of reverse kegels. It's something I haven't really understood or looked into during PE but it's been said that it's a vital part of length gains. From a novice point of view, I've read that it's just a motion of internally controlling certain muscles in your pelvic floor, and that it's something you would naturally do while going to the toilet. So if I were to incorporate this into my PE routines, should I be doing a reverse kegel during a stretch (whether it's manual or with a device)? How often should I be performing reverse kegels? And how soon would I expect to see any kind of benefits? I've read that it's also beneficial for improving EQ so I'm curious to see how this will effect my penis. EQ is still something I'm lacking in but overall the only significant times where I've noticed an improvement in my erections was when I've made each perm gain in length/girth. It almost feels like I'm putting together the building blocks of a perfect erection upon gaining size, so yes this is something I'm trying to work towards as well.

I'll probably have more questions/ideas along the way but yeah hoping I can recover pretty quick. I know it's always a bummer having to pause your routine and potentially miss out on gains after losing consistency. I remember there was one time months ago when I was only doing manual bundles and had to take a week off to heal a thrombosed vein, but after starting manual bundles again I noticed one spurt in girth gains assuming my penis had a shock after resting. Hopefully another miracle like this happens this time around before I resume lengthmastering (xd)

 

[oldandlively]

Looks like you got this brother. Even if you allow the penis to rest for the cut, which I actually am resting now for the same reason because of an idiotic mistake from not paying attention, wrap the penis up to keep it partially elongated in low traction tension to get the blood to occupy the penis. Not too tight though.

 

[DLD]

Wrapping is an art, practice and trying different style to perfect your method. Do not fear trying different styles or even coming up with your own style as this will allow you to have the perfect wrap.

With your cut, alow it to heal completely heal. You can continue kegels but nothing else.

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Guys I've got bad news...I've lost size again. Approx 0.5 inches to be exact. Its only been a week since I havent used my Lengthmaster and I've got no idea what I'm doing wrong.

I've just been using my ADS stretcher as per normal as well as wrapping as much as I can. I woke up with my current size this morning but suddenly noticed the size went smaller during this evening without any warning/no unusual feelings in my penis.

Looks like I have to get back into Lengthmastering asap especially when my cut just fully healed as of now.

Its just very disheartening that this is happening all over again after stretching for such a long time. Now im feeling even more self conscious and its putting a bigger strain on my sex life. Hope you guys can lend a hand here. Just hoping I dont resort to any kind of irrational decisions here and get a filler or something (which would just defeat the purpose of PE)

*Additional notes*
-Taking the same supplements as noted in the previous post
-Ordered additional hydrocortisone + other wrapping materials for LM3
-Started using Microporous tape to wrap my foreskin while using my ADS as it bundles up and reduces swelling/red skin
-Practicing reverse kegels daily

 

[oldandlively]

Guys I've got bad news...I've lost size again. Approx 0.5 inches to be exact. Its only been a week since I havent used my Lengthmaster and I've got no idea what I'm doing wrong.

You didn't lose it. You probably cause a micro trauma that causes the penis to perform a tug back, or a conservation mode. It pulls itself back to preserve itself from further injury. A possible muscle or tissue tear somewhere and it wants to restore itself. Very common. Once you have a day or two of rest, and the tissues heal up, you'll get it all back from the normal stretches and routines. It takes the tissues an average of 3 days to repairs, and around 5 days to create new tissues to reinforce the old damages. Micro traumas are very common all over your body. If you haven't notice, you do shrink a bit throughout the day, during resting, your body suddenly becomes longer and taller. This is a common, including your penis.

I've just been using my ADS stretcher as per normal as well as wrapping as much as I can. I woke up with my current size this morning but suddenly noticed the size went smaller during this evening without any warning/no unusual feelings in my penis.

When you wear the ADS, as you bend over, stretch out, or accidentally move too fast, that one sudden surge of pressure through the hard stretch can cause a micro trauma. It happens to me so many times, I lost count. The same goes for traction devices, pumping, and even the Length Master. No worries brother.

Looks like I have to get back into Lengthmastering asap especially when my cut just fully healed as of now.

Like I said earlier, allow yourself to heal a day, or two. Then slowly use the ADS and length master at lower intensity for one day. Then switch to moderate on the next day. After 3 to 4 days, switch to the normal routines again. This way, you don't allow your penis too much time to rest or stay at the lower end of the routines.

Its just very disheartening that this is happening all over again after stretching for such a long time. Now im feeling even more self conscious and its putting a bigger strain on my sex life. Hope you guys can lend a hand here. Just hoping I dont resort to any kind of irrational decisions here and get a filler or something (which would just defeat the purpose of PE)

Brothers seeing this freaked out all the time. Your gains are all there. They didn't go away overnight. What you gained, you will lose over time. If you don't pursue PE to cement it permanently, the loss will be around 6 to 12 months later. But you continued with the PE until you cement it, the gains remain. Once you cement the gains permanent, it takes years for you to lose 10% of the gains. It has been documented over and over gain. So you're still good brother. Let your mind relax and be assured you didn't lose anything.

*Additional notes*
-Taking the same supplements as noted in the previous post
-Ordered additional hydrocortisone + other wrapping materials for LM3
-Started using Microporous tape to wrap my foreskin while using my ADS as it bundles up and reduces swelling/red skin
-Practicing reverse kegels daily

Great job. Keep at it. Don't use too much self adhesive tape either. Too much adhesive can cause unneeded abrasion on your poor penis.

 

[DLD]

So many fear time off thinking they will lose their gains because of time off. The fact is you may temporarily lose some size but that will return a couple of days of training after the break. Training through injuries is dangerous and not productive. If you have an injury rest is needed and you will return with growth intact after a few days

 

[kk-Finisher-bb]

Thanks for the reassurance, lets hope this is the case and that ill be able to bounce back next week. So how could I tell if a micro trauma has occurred? For example could there be a moment where I've made a funny movement while using an ADS stretcher/lengthmaster causing a sharp stretch? Would I be feeling any pain or lingering soreness after use?

Looking to continue using both devices with low to moderate intensity. I remember the last time I lost length I started to use LM3 for approx. 4 weeks using newbie routine until I began downward/BTC stretched which brought my length back.