Do I need a Bib Starter?

[spongebob]

I have been using the regular bib now for about 2 1/2 months and my LOT has dropped to about 8. My BPenis EnlargementL is 7 but when I attach the hanger it is very close to my base. I'm hanging 3 to 4-20 min. with 10lbs dropping back to 8lbs. 5 to 6 days a week. I feel good lig stretch and some tunica stretch but I was wondering if maybe the starter might be better because of my length, the hanger is so far back toward my base. I can't move the hanger any closer to the glands because of the pressure. I'm hanging BTC right now but I want to do some SO hanging. I wonder with the hanger so far back, will this still work or do I need the starter bib? It seams I don't have much room to adjust the location on the shaft.

Bib, are you still selling the hangers?

 

[negative]

I have been using the regular bib now for about 2 1/2 months and my LOT has dropped to about 8. My BPenis EnlargementL is 7 but when I attach the hanger it is very close to my base. I'm hanging 3 to 4-20 min. with 10lbs dropping back to 8lbs. 5 to 6 days a week. I feel good lig stretch and some tunica stretch but I was wondering if maybe the starter might be better because of my length, the hanger is so far back toward my base. I can't move the hanger any closer to the glands because of the pressure. I'm hanging BTC right now but I want to do some SO hanging. I wonder with the hanger so far back, will this still work or do I need the starter bib? It seams I don't have much room to adjust the location on the shaft.

Bib, are you still selling the hangers?

What´s your flaccid size ?

 

[spongebob]

6 3/4 - 7" BPFSL

 

[ctmwm]

Well it sounds like it could do the job for you. But dont base your actions on my post. You should be able to do it with either the starter or the orig.

 

[Bib]

sp bob,

>I have been using the regular bib now for about 2 1/2 months and my LOT has dropped to about 8. My BPenis EnlargementL is 7 but when I attach the hanger it is very close to my base. I'm hanging 3 to 4-20 min. with 10lbs dropping back to 8lbs. 5 to 6 days a week. I feel good lig stretch and some tunica stretch but I was wondering if maybe the starter might be better because of my length, the hanger is so far back toward my base. I can't move the hanger any closer to the glands because of the pressure. I'm hanging BTC right now but I want to do some SO hanging. I wonder with the hanger so far back, will this still work or do I need the starter bib? It seams I don't have much room to adjust the location on the shaft.<

The Starter would probably give you a different feeling, perhaps a slightly different stretch, perhaps a little more stress on the tunica. But I do not think it would be worth buying a Starter also. You should have no problem hanging SO if you can already hang BTC. The less severe angle of SO should limit skin stretch, and put a lot of stress on the tunica.

The only overall concern you might have is skin stretch. After 2.5 months, have you stretched the skin to where the stress of hanging is on the inner structures in the BTC position?

The regular is 3 inches long. The head is probably about an inch long, then you should attach one inch behind the corona. So the back of the hanger should be about five inches from the tip of the head.

Your statement about pressure worries me. Are you getting most of the blood out of the head before you attach the hanger? If you have to put the hanger back further than one inch, there is probably a problem with wrapping or hanger adjustment. If you can, you can send or post pics and I can take a look. But I am leaving on Friday.

>Bib, are you still selling the hangers?<

Yes.

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[spongebob]

>The only overall concern you might have is skin stretch. After 2.5 months, have you stretched the skin to where the stress of hanging is on the inner structures in the BTC position?<

Yes I have. I have seen my LOT drop from @9:30 to 8 or maybe 7:30

>Your statement about pressure worries me. Are you getting most of the blood out of the head before you attach the hanger?<

Yes I am.

>If you have to put the hanger back further than one inch, there is probably a problem with wrapping or hanger adjustment.<

I can move the hanger back but I have to wrap further back also. I am only using the Theraband as wrap. I have tried several adjustments also and find I do like to change it up every now and then. Sometimes I like it tied out a little and sometimes I find it more comfortable to leave it straight. (no toe)
When I do move the hanger back more I feel more skin stretch and less lig stretch.

Will I benefit from hanging SO with my LOT at 7-8? Do you think my LOT is low enough? I can keep hanging BTC but I feel like my ligs are already stretched and it seems like they don't feel as fatigued as they were. I am feeling more on the tunica than the ligs after I get through with my sets now.

 

[Bib]

sp bob,

>Yes I have. I have seen my LOT drop from @9:30 to 8 or maybe 7:30<

LOT does not have too much to do with skin stretch. What I meant was, do you now have extra skin to where the internal structures are taking the stress of hanging?

With the drop in LOT, have you seen good gains?

>>Your statement about pressure worries me. Are you getting most of the blood out of the head before you attach the hanger?<

Yes I am.<

OK, can you pinpoint the source or cause of the pressure?

>Will I benefit from hanging SO with my LOT at 7-8? Do you think my LOT is low enough?<

You could, but it really depends on gains. If you are gaining, then wait till you record no gains for one month. Then, perhaps your LOT will be a bit lower, and you can go to SO. If your gains have already stopped, then go ahead with SO and/or better, OTS.

>I can keep hanging BTC but I feel like my ligs are already stretched and it seems like they don't feel as fatigued as they were. I am feeling more on the tunica than the ligs after I get through with my sets now.<

That is not unusual. And it is good that you are learning to read your unit. But when you are hitting an angle, are reaching fatigue in the target tissues, it is best to continue at that angle, and ride the fatigue totally. When you change angles, you should have maxed out the previous target tissues.

Good stuff.

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[spongebob]

>LOT does not have too much to do with skin stretch. What I meant was, do you now have extra skin to where the internal structures are taking the stress of hanging?

With the drop in LOT, have you seen good gains?<

I have seen "some gains" but it depends on how pumped I get. I do know I have over come my plato of no gain from manual exserices. From what I can tell it's from 1/16 to 1/8 gain. Maybe these are "newbie hanging gains".

>>Your statement about pressure worries me. Are you getting most of the blood out of the head before you attach the hanger?<

Yes I am.

OK, can you pinpoint the source or cause of the pressure?<

The pressure comes if I mount the hanger too close to the head. I try to stay 1 inch back.

>Will I benefit from hanging SO with my LOT at 7-8? Do you think my LOT is low enough?

You could, but it really depends on gains. If you are gaining, then wait till you record no gains for one month. Then, perhaps your LOT will be a bit lower, and you can go to SO. If your gains have already stopped, then go ahead with SO and/or better, OTS.<

ok, I understand

>I can keep hanging BTC but I feel like my ligs are already stretched and it seems like they don't feel as fatigued as they were. I am feeling more on the tunica than the ligs after I get through with my sets now.

That is not unusual. And it is good that you are learning to read your unit. But when you are hitting an angle, are reaching fatigue in the target tissues, it is best to continue at that angle, and ride the fatigue totally. When you change angles, you should have maxed out the previous target tissues.<

I take it you mean that you stop gaining at that angle before you add or change angles. Looks like I need to stay at BTC hanging longer to see if my gains have stopped. If I feel fatigued at BTC then I will do some SO hanging but I will stay with BTC as my primary.

 

[Bib]

sp bob,

>I take it you mean that you stop gaining at that angle before you add or change angles.<

Yes, if you are gaining, then you are obviously stressing the next limiting factor. Ride it for all it's worth.

>Looks like I need to stay at BTC hanging longer to see if my gains have stopped. If I feel fatigued at BTC then I will do some SO hanging but I will stay with BTC as my primary.<

That sounds great.

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[spongebob]

Bib, I am still hanging BTC and in the last month I saw some more gains. It looks like my LOT has stayed at between 7 and 8. The biggest thing I have noticed is I don't feel very much, if any, fatique in my ligs anymore but more in the tunica. It used to be that the next day I would feel sore in the ligs and now it's the shaft. Is this a sign that I may be at the end of my lig stretch and the tunica is taking more of the stresses? Do you think I should still ride this out till I see gains stop before moving to upper angles? I just don't feel any lig stretch anymore and if the tunica is taking the stresses then would OTS hanging work better or do I need to see a 6:00 LOT first?

One other thing I have noticed is my BPFSL has increased 1/4" in the past month. Does this relate to more gains to come?

Your thoughts please

 

[Bib]

sponge,

>Bib, I am still hanging BTC and in the last month I saw some more gains. It looks like my LOT has stayed at between 7 and 8. The biggest thing I have noticed is I don't feel very much, if any, fatique in my ligs anymore but more in the tunica. It used to be that the next day I would feel sore in the ligs and now it's the shaft. Is this a sign that I may be at the end of my lig stretch and the tunica is taking more of the stresses? Do you think I should still ride this out till I see gains stop before moving to upper angles? I just don't feel any lig stretch anymore and if the tunica is taking the stresses then would OTS hanging work better or do I need to see a 6:00 LOT first?<

True words: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". If you are getting gains, that trumps everything else, LOT, what you feel, whatever. Continue with the lower angles until gains stop. Or in the event you reach total fatigue BTC, you can switch to SO as a secondary angle.

One thing you may be feeling is the ligament fascia on the shaft being stressed. This may seem like tunica fatigue, but it is actuall ligament fatigue. Can you tell if the ligs are tight when hanging at the lower angles? If so, they are taking the stress.

Another thing: If your LOT is still 7-8, it shows you still have a bit of lig potential. Just let it ride. You want to continue to hit those ligs while they are in a weakened, fatigued state. When you stop the lig work, to move to the upper angles, the ligs will strengthen for a while, as a result of past stresses. When you move to the upper angles, you want the ligs to have enough time to re-weaken, atrophy, so that your next series of lower angle work will be easier. Sabe?

>One other thing I have noticed is my BPFSL has increased 1/4" in the past month. Does this relate to more gains to come?<

Probably. My stretched flaccid always led the erect measures to gains.

Good stuff, and congratulations.

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