Progress thread Come on gains

JustGrow said:
@DLD @oldandlively

When will I know when to increase intensity, will it simply be when no more gains are coming?
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Increasing intensity is based on the time period and when your penile sensitivity adopts to the stress load. Here's an example:

When you're doing a manual pull straight down, and then up, for the last 2 to 3 weeks, roughly around 2.5lbs to 3lbs of pulling tension, your penis feels relaxed without any pain. This is where you will need to increase the intensity up. First, you need to pull until you get that dull feeling, as if you're getting a strong pull but without any pain. The pull feels like something is stressing but that dull sensation of the pull is no where painful. If you can meausure that pulling stress load, or known as traction load, record it as a your moderate level. It can be somewhere 5 to 6 lbs.

Now, from there, go up just a little bit more. That dull pull that feels like something is being uprooted then turns to a dull but slightly tingly feeling without the pain. When you hit any kind of pain, you're going too far. Back off just slightly to get that tingly but dull pulling sensation. That is your upper traction load. It may be 7 to 8 lbs. Measure if you can so you can get to know your range at all time.

Start from the lower limit where you are now to get the warm up stretches because your penile tissues adopts the current comfortable traction load.

Then, from 2.5lbs to 3lbs (as an example), you go up to the moderate traction load just for a few minutes for the exercises to loosen up the tissues a bit more.

Then switch from moderate to upper traction load for a few more exercises to optimize your maximum lengthening capacity.

Lastly, switch down between the lower and moderate traction loads and stay in this zone for the rest of your exercises. Once you reach the high traction load, your tissue are primed and will continue to stretch. You don't need to remain at the high traciton load zone to keep things stretched. Stay and the low and moderate traction loads to prevent your tissues from sudden shocks, triggering the preservation mode. This is when your penis retracts and turtles to protect itself.
 
oldandlively said:
Increasing intensity is based on the time period and when your penile sensitivity adopts to the stress load. Here's an example:

When you're doing a manual pull straight down, and then up, for the last 2 to 3 weeks, roughly around 2.5lbs to 3lbs of pulling tension, your penis feels relaxed without any pain. This is where you will need to increase the intensity up. First, you need to pull until you get that dull feeling, as if you're getting a strong pull but without any pain. The pull feels like something is stressing but that dull sensation of the pull is no where painful. If you can meausure that pulling stress load, or known as traction load, record it as a your moderate level. It can be somewhere 5 to 6 lbs.

Now, from there, go up just a little bit more. That dull pull that feels like something is being uprooted then turns to a dull but slightly tingly feeling without the pain. When you hit any kind of pain, you're going too far. Back off just slightly to get that tingly but dull pulling sensation. That is your upper traction load. It may be 7 to 8 lbs. Measure if you can so you can get to know your range at all time.

Start from the lower limit where you are now to get the warm up stretches because your penile tissues adopts the current comfortable traction load.

Then, from 2.5lbs to 3lbs (as an example), you go up to the moderate traction load just for a few minutes for the exercises to loosen up the tissues a bit more.

Then switch from moderate to upper traction load for a few more exercises to optimize your maximum lengthening capacity.

Lastly, switch down between the lower and moderate traction loads and stay in this zone for the rest of your exercises. Once you reach the high traction load, your tissue are primed and will continue to stretch. You don't need to remain at the high traciton load zone to keep things stretched. Stay and the low and moderate traction loads to prevent your tissues from sudden shocks, triggering the preservation mode. This is when your penis retracts and turtles to protect itself.
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Very good explanation, similar to what someone might do for regular exercise, but ofcourse need to pay even closer attention to any pain and back off a bit more.

I've noticed it using the Length Master, during the two main exercises I am doing
LM bundles and LM dld rolls

At first might seem a bit tight when beginning the exercises, but there is a point when it naturally feels like I get to moderate a few minutes in

Then about halfway in I feel like I hit maximum and more would be painful, but at this point appear to reach max malleability, atleast for that days workout

At this time I continue my workout but slowly continue to push to stay in the zone you mentioned between light and modererate while still feeling the stretches

Shortly after I keep this tension when I get in the extender
Which for me currently is about 2 to 5mm above my BPFLS after my LM workout.

I appreciate the feedback
It took me a long time to figure this out naturally and your explanation really helps

Got to hit that PE zone!
 
Extender only tonight
1 hour total

Is it pointless to do just extender sometimes?

I don't think it is, because of keeping in the stretched position

Certainly not the same as doing PE work then into the extender
 
JustGrow said:
Is it pointless to do just extender sometimes?
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In my opinion, if you're using the extender for 5 hours and less by itself, then yes. If you use it in a combo of pre-stretching using your hands with the SRT at moderate and high traction tension first, then it's fine.
 
Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Starting extender rods 17.5
New extender need to measure rods???
Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 21 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 25 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 13 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 18.4cm

Extender Rod Length 18.5cm
New extender need to measure
(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)

30 min extender down
30 min extender down

After extender
18.3cm
 
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Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?

@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?

Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5
New-extndr 9.8cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@11lbs
Before decon same length measuring at 9lbs
During extender wear at about the 15 min mark extender reading at 9lbs which means tissues relaxed enough to reduce tension

Probably means tight tissues and they don't feel as malleable as was feeling during the active workout phase prior to decon

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 22 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 27 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 17.9cm

Extender Rod Length 12.1cm @11lbs

***Not sure how I will use the length yet as the extender is slightly different
Old extender(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)
Will have to figure out new extender lengths

I'm thinking I will target a certain lbs setting that feels comfortable and move to that as a starting point then increase from there as the tension releases either due to temporary or permanent growth

20min extender down 5min vibe
20min extndr down
(mos red first 10 min + 5min vibe last 5min)
17min extndr down
Started turtling so took extndr off

After extender
18.1cm
 
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JustGrow said:
Will update after current workout

Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?

@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?


Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5
New-extndr 12.1 @11lbs
Before decon same length measuring at 9lbs
During extender wear at about the 15 min mark extender reading at 9lbs which means tissues relaxed enough to reduce tension

Probably means tight tissues and they don't feel as malleable as was feeling during the active workout phase prior to decon

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 22 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 20 min

Session 26 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 12 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 10 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
After workout 17.9cm

Extender Rod Length 12.1cm @11lbs

***Not sure how I will use the length yet as the extender is slightly different
Old extender(For extender aiming for 0.5cm above LM post workout length, but 0.3 to 0.4cm feels better)
Will have to figure out new extender lengths

I'm thinking I will target a certain lbs setting that feels comfortable and move to that as a starting point then increase from there as the tension releases either due to temporary or permanent growth

20min extender down 5min vibe
20min extndr down
(mos red first 10 min + 5min vibe last 5min)
17min extndr down
Started turtling so took extndr off

After extender
18.1cm
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I think you're doing just fine.And it's very impressive to hear that you got all your gains back by simply using the MOSRED. Your workouts look great.So I think you're on your way in nineteen and twenty and beyond!
 
JustGrow said:
Will update after current workout

Back from decon break
I thought I lost 0.3 mm as I measured BPFLS and was at 17.7cm when pre-decon I was at 18cm

My member just feels tight
I warmed up 7 minutes with MOS red and re-measured and went back to 18cm, so I don't think I lost anything during 9 days of decon, but maybe not permanently cemented yet not sure though
Will ask the experts

Also how long do I use the MOS red light therapy?
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To use the MoS Red, simply place it around 4 to 6 inches away from the penis, and have it either shines directly onto the penile shaft as much as it can. If you're laying down, have it shines directly from the top. If you're sitting, have it shines directly at an angle to cover as much of the penile shaft as it can. Since MoS Red is 15 minutes per session, you can safely use 10 minutes for one side of the shaft and cover th rest of the other side for another 10 mintues, even though the suggested time is 15 minutes. My unit is much more intense and I use up to 25 minutes.

JustGrow said:
@oldandlively and @DLD
What you think about the above?
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Rather than using MoS Red as a warm up method, do a direct heat transfer from a heat bag, heat compress, or even a warm (to slightly hot without burning your penile skin) rice sock. Direct heat application allows you to have fast heat transfer than redlight spectrum heating within the 7 to 20 minutes. As for the temporary loss of length, it's quite common when the penile tissues are not fully cemented or have not gone through the minimum cementing period. However, what you lost will quickly return. This is not a problem at all. The ligamentary tissues are still pliable enough to relax to the prior decon period. Just ease back and ease into the routines again.
 
DLD said:
I think you're doing just fine.And it's very impressive to hear that you got all your gains back by simply using the MOSRED. Your workouts look great.So I think you're on your way in nineteen and twenty and beyond!
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Thank you for the feedback!
 
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oldandlively said:
To use the MoS Red, simply place it around 4 to 6 inches away from the penis, and have it either shines directly onto the penile shaft as much as it can. If you're laying down, have it shines directly from the top. If you're sitting, have it shines directly at an angle to cover as much of the penile shaft as it can. Since MoS Red is 15 minutes per session, you can safely use 10 minutes for one side of the shaft and cover th rest of the other side for another 10 mintues, even though the suggested time is 15 minutes. My unit is much more intense and I use up to 25 minutes.



Rather than using MoS Red as a warm up method, do a direct heat transfer from a heat bag, heat compress, or even a warm (to slightly hot without burning your penile skin) rice sock. Direct heat application allows you to have fast heat transfer than redlight spectrum heating within the 7 to 20 minutes. As for the temporary loss of length, it's quite common when the penile tissues are not fully cemented or have not gone through the minimum cementing period. However, what you lost will quickly return. This is not a problem at all. The ligamentary tissues are still pliable enough to relax to the prior decon period. Just ease back and ease into the routines again.
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I should have eased into it like you said

I will only do half routine first couple of days
I think thats why I turtled up today, because I jumped back in after the decon.
 
Starting - BPFLS at lowest base
8/10/2025 - 17.3cm / 6.8 inches

Old-Start extndr rods 17.5cm
New-extndr 9.8cm from nut on rod to adjustment knob@11lbs

Cummulative time
includes today
Extender 23 hrs 50 min
ADS 2 hr 50 min

Session 28 of ?

BPFLS
Before workout 18cm
LM 7 min x 30 sec bundles
LM 7 min x 30 sec DLD rolls
3 min x 30 sec manual bundles
After workout 18.2cm

Extender Rod Length 9.8cm @11lbs start
Extender RodLength 9.5cm
@9lbs end

15min extndr straight
20min extndr straight
25min extndr straight

ADS 30min

After extender
Forgot to measure cm
 
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@DLD and @oldandlively
I was using a modified x4 lab extender with a cup similar to stealth stretcher and then I switched to a different extender

The new extender can put in a good tug as I measured it and I am doing 9 to 11 lbs for the tension for 1 hour in 20 min intervals
After my 20 min LM work
(10min bundles and 10min dld rolls)

Should I back out on the weight down to like 5 lbs
I feel a good tug at the 9 to 11 lbs
I just don't want it to be too much too soon and prevent future growth

Please advise
Thank you!
 
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JustGrow said:
Extender Rod Length 9.8cm @11lbs start
Extender RodLength 9.5cm
@9lbs end
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Just a couple of questions:
  1. Did you measure/verify the actual tension exerted by the extender? You can do that either with a kitchen scale or a fishing scale.
  2. 11 lbs to start is pretty high up there, and end with a 9lbs after how many minutes?
That's very high. Normally, you want end with a 3lbs max to promote minimal tissue stresses, while the start is around 5lbs to 6lbs, then fluctuate between 9lbs to 11lbs in between the sets to excite the tissues to yield. But when you force the tissues to remain at the upper traction load for too longer, the tissues will flag "Crap, we're taking on heavy damages" and the body will turtle or retract on itself to prevent further damages. You get a shrunken penis overall.
 
oldandlively said:
Just a couple of questions:
  1. Did you measure/verify the actual tension exerted by the extender? You can do that either with a kitchen scale or a fishing scale.
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Yes I measured it with the MOS scale, and it was very close

oldandlively said:
  1. 11 lbs to start is pretty high up there, and end with a 9lbs after how many minutes?
That's very high. Normally, you want end with a 3lbs max to promote minimal tissue stresses, while the start is around 5lbs to 6lbs, then fluctuate between 9lbs to 11lbs in between the sets to excite the tissues to yield. But when you force the tissues to remain at the upper traction load for too longer, the tissues will flag "Crap, we're taking on heavy damages" and the body will turtle or retract on itself to prevent further damages. You get a shrunken penis overall.
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@oldandlively

Thank you for the amazing feedback!

I will back off tremendously then

Since I will be using the LM first that ends with high tension

Should I then pyramid tension with the extender
3 6 9 11 9 6 3

Or just tension down from LM
11 9 6 3 and stay at 3lbs for the remainder

So something like
11 lbs at 10 min
9 lbs at 10 min
6 lbs at 20 min
3 lbs at 20 min or more

Thank you
 
JustGrow said:
Yes I measured it with the MOS scale, and it was very close
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Perfect. Make sure to record your traction tension as you go. Why? You'll find hidden gems in the data very soon.

JustGrow said:
@oldandlively

Thank you for the amazing feedback!

I will back off tremendously then

Since I will be using the LM first that ends with high tension
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This is the most optimal way. Most of us tend to jump straight to the extender or all day system first without first loosening or softening the tissues. Big mistake. If anyone has the LM, use the LM even if it's only 5 minutes. That will reduce the total amount of time you have to be in the extender or all day system, without having to push on the very high end weight load.

JustGrow said:
Should I then pyramid tension with the extender
3 6 9 11 9 6 3

Or just tension down from LM
11 9 6 3 and stay at 3lbs for the remainder

So something like
11 lbs at 10 min
9 lbs at 10 min
6 lbs at 20 min
3 lbs at 20 min or more

Thank you
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Better yet, it's all about what exercises you've done with the LM. For example, if you spend 10 minutes on the LM, doing bundled BTC, moderate traction (around 5lbs of pulling force, or even up to 10lbs of pulling force within that 10 minutes), you can reduce the extender's total traction force by generating a dynamic tension range like so:

10 minutes: 6lbs
5 minutes: 10lbs
5 minutes: 7lbs
5 minutes: 11lbs
10 minutes: 8lbs
10 minutes to 2 hours: 4lbs
2+ hours: 2.5lbs to 3lbs

What you're doing here is to trick the body that there's temporary stressors, and reprogram the lower traction load at a slightly higher stressor load around 2.5lbs to 3lbs. The body will think, "Oh, that boy must be having some major fun, and he's getting pretty horny for some reason. Time to work harder to get his penis preloaded for impregnation and spread his seeds around."

The lower time limit at a higher traction loads reduce chances of either blisters, petechiae (blood bumps), or combo of over pressuring on the blood vessels.

Something to think about, observe, and record. You can play around with the time limits too, but don't let the 5 minutes interval for higher weight goes past 10 minutes.
 
oldandlively said:
Perfect. Make sure to record your traction tension as you go. Why? You'll find hidden gems in the data very soon.



This is the most optimal way. Most of us tend to jump straight to the extender or all day system first without first loosening or softening the tissues. Big mistake. If anyone has the LM, use the LM even if it's only 5 minutes. That will reduce the total amount of time you have to be in the extender or all day system, without having to push on the very high end weight load.



Better yet, it's all about what exercises you've done with the LM. For example, if you spend 10 minutes on the LM, doing bundled BTC, moderate traction (around 5lbs of pulling force, or even up to 10lbs of pulling force within that 10 minutes), you can reduce the extender's total traction force by generating a dynamic tension range like so:

10 minutes: 6lbs
5 minutes: 10lbs
5 minutes: 7lbs
5 minutes: 11lbs
10 minutes: 8lbs
10 minutes to 2 hours: 4lbs
2+ hours: 2.5lbs to 3lbs

What you're doing here is to trick the body that there's temporary stressors, and reprogram the lower traction load at a slightly higher stressor load around 2.5lbs to 3lbs. The body will think, "Oh, that boy must be having some major fun, and he's getting pretty horny for some reason. Time to work harder to get his penis preloaded for impregnation and spread his seeds around."

The lower time limit at a higher traction loads reduce chances of either blisters, petechiae (blood bumps), or combo of over pressuring on the blood vessels.

Something to think about, observe, and record. You can play around with the time limits too, but don't let the 5 minutes interval for higher weight goes past 10 minutes.
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Going to try until I find the sweet spot

Thank you
 
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