Very good this is a excellent post. Finding that sweet spot is what it's all about. Keep pushing on and i'm sure you will do well
+ 2"L + 1"G (1 year progress thread)
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MickeyDeese
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Sorry BDE, end of the year is always a crazy time for me.
TRT -Testosterone Replacement Therapy.
No I did not pursue TRT using DHT or HGH or HcG or Enclomiphine. IMO the potential gains (only like 0.5 inches) do not outweigh the risks or toll it could take on your entire body. If the effects were only localized and did not have potential for systemic cancerous growth I would try it.
What I learned is that Androgen receptors, which take testosterone and signal smooth muscle tissue hyperplasia growth during puberty, close growth signaling at the end of puberty and can NEVER be reopened again ever no matter what you do. This is due to genetic coding. You would need to know the exact sequence of turning hundreds or thousands of pubescent genes back on through gene editing and then have to be able to turn them back off again.
Actually growing, like truly growing new cells past puberty as an adult is quite literally impossible, and is not a testosterone issue but is a gene issue. Anyone who says differently is either lying or mistaking hypertrophy + extra cellular rematrixing (stretching and rearranging your existing cells to their limit) for hyperplasia (actual cell growth). Hypertrophy + ECM has a limit typically between 1 and 3 inches and hyperplasia stops entirely around the age of 19.
This is why you should always have realistic expectations. Gaining an additional 6 inches past puberty is a physical impossibility for 99% of all men unless their hypertrophy potential allows it. Maybe we might have something some sort of functional gene editing method for penile growth which works 20 to 50 years from now. Modern science has no way to edit your penile growth genes without seriously fucking all your shit up head to toe.
@9.5inchpro i haven't given up. I'm going to try to get to 9 or more. Truly hit my maximum. The routine im currently developing and looking to start January 1st will be 100% focused on length gain by hypertrophic response and ECM healing. Gains are solidified by healing during rest and not while under constant strain. The tunica takes about 72-96 hours to properly heal. Basically a low incremental weight long time hang exercise followed by a 20 minute pump the next day followed by a full day of rest after, plus my ridiculous peptide and supplement stack. We'll see how it goes. I should know if its working between April and June.
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Growing4Squirting
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so much infos and knowledge here, in your opinion, is this growing phase can be stretched past 21 years old? im 27 and i just started to grow chest hair + a beard, when i touch a dumblell people think im using steroids
MickeyDeese
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It all depends on puberty. Puberty is typically between 10-19 years of age. A delayed start for boys would be 14. I was about 13 myself when I started. At 27 the growth phase would be over. You can always still stretch and remodel your tissues over a couple years to gain a couple inches though.
As a side note penis tissue is referred to as smooth muscle. Its collagen and has more in common with your intestinal lining or the cartridge in your ear than it does with your bicep, which is skeletal muscle. This is why it can take years to stretch it and doesn't bulk up like a bicep does if you do penis exercises.
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Very good analysis. There are no muscles in the penis, but smooth muscle tissue. There is no real way of affecting that. So we need to go for growth oriented exercise to complete our growth
For those who experience belated puberty, or unique multi-modal puberty stages, they can go far into their 30s. Plenty of documented cases on this. You are right that we practically have to reprogram our hard coded DNA for growth potential, but as you pointed out, tissue remodeling can infact be done past puberty ages. 6in can be done, but when the body recognizes potential tissue corruption or detrimental anomaly that the body cannot support, it will either slow down or stop intermittently until the turnover phases allow the soft tissues to proceed without detectable anomalies.
So, don't give up. Keep going.
Similar to breast tissues under strains, those that have children tend to gain larger sizes over time especially during breast feeding period of 6 to 11 months. My wife went from C to DD. Just like breasts, penis can infact grow if you allow it to be under constant strains. Unlike breasts where the volumes of fluid constantly inflate the breasts over the very long period of time. We can't do that with the penis for girth or restrict the expansion volume using girth restrain in a cylindrical container to force length. That is a crazy ton of PRP injections into the tunica and septum to make that happen.
Big Dick Energy
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All give information here !
I was not aware that TRT had cancer issues though
I was not aware that TRT had cancer issues though
MickeyDeese
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I should be specific. TRT can accelerate cancer growth if you already have it. Even at beginning stages but TRT by itself is not going to cause cancer. If you skip TRT and jump into any sort of growth hormone is where cancer can develop. Many men on TRT take HCG to slow or prevent testicular atrophy which also can accelerate certain cancers. TRT makes your balls shrink and one of the most common side effects of TRT is infertility, as the testes stop producing sperm as they shrink, infertility can be temporary but there is a risk of it becoming permanent. TRT also raises the risk for blood clots and stroke though so you shouldn't be doing pumping or clamping at all while on TRT. Balding is also a very common side effect as well. It will also increase estrogen levels and can lead to breast development.
At maybe 0.5 inches of additional gain and the amount of additional shit you would have to rake just to counteract the side effects of TRT the risk doesn't really equal the reward IMO.
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The essential points to truly take home are:
- Whenever possible, increase testosterone naturally. This takes effort to change diets, lifestyle by being active and healthy.
- Decrease as much stress as possible. Stress is major factor to penile healing and health.
- Make sure to sleep to increase overall health. We may think sleep is just insignificant rest. You be surprised how much the bad cortisol hormone generates and hinder your penile health because you didn't get enough sleep to reset your hormones.
MickeyDeese
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Supplements are a VERY good business to be in right now.
This is my current supplement stack. I have listed only the ones which affect testosterone either by directly increasing or regulating testosterone, or indirectly by supporting the systems which create and regulate testosterone. Many of the indirect supplements help with libido and ED. It would probably be cheaper just to take viagra but I appreciate all the other benefits supplements give. There is a lot of overlap here and I don't take all of them on the same day. Some I even cycle 1 month on 1 month off.
If you're interested I would recommend just copying and pasting into chatgpt and asking it to optimize a daily supplement stack (top 3/5/10) to specificly benefit or optimize a penis enlargement routine.
Zinc — Direct
Magnesium — Direct (↑ free T via SHBG reduction)
Vitamin D3 — Direct
Vitamin B6 — Direct (androgen receptor support)
Vitamin E — Direct (testicular protection)
Selenium — Direct (Leydig cell function)
Boron — Direct (↓ SHBG, ↑ free T)
Fenugreek — Direct
Tongkat Ali — Direct
Ashwagandha — Direct (via cortisol suppression + Leydig support)
Tribulus terrestris — Direct (weak/inconsistent)
Saw Palmetto — Direct (↓ DHT, regulates androgen balance)
D-Aspartic Acid — Direct (short-term stimulation)
DHEA — Direct (hormone precursor)
Shilajit — Direct
Ginger extract — Direct
Stinging Nettle Root — Direct (SHBG binding)
INDIRECT effects on testosterone
Nitric Oxide / Blood Flow / Erectile Support
Pine Bark Extract (Pycnogenol) — Indirect
L-Arginine — Indirect
L-Citrulline — Indirect
Gotu Kola — Indirect
Stress, Cortisol, CNS Modulation
Maca Root — Indirect
Muira Puama — Indirect
Catuaba — Indirect
Huanarpo Macho — Indirect (possibly direct. Not enough research)
Damiana — Indirect
Energy, Mitochondrial, Recovery
CoQ10 — Indirect
L-Carnitine — Indirect
L- Kreatine — Indirect
L-Glutamine — Indirect
BCAAs — Indirect
Anti-Inflammatory / Antioxidant / Estrogen Modulation
Omega-3 (EPA/DHA) — Indirect
Resveratrol — Indirect
Quercetin — Indirect
Vitamin C — Indirect
Supportive (deficiency-dependent or permissive)
Vitamin B12 — Indirect
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When I wrap there’s always a slight pull back. Getting full traction is difficult. How important is full traction compared to almost full traction for length gains? I’ve told you guys before I have a good comfortable wrap but I want to make sure I’m getting everything out of it.
MickeyDeese
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I mostly just did vacuum hanging and pumping. Did clamping for about 3 months and would only wrap when using a compression device. Frankly speaking if a workout required wrapping it was a deterent because I don't have the patience.
The follow up question for clarity is, "Are you using full traction during wrapping after the length exercise, or are you using full traction during the length pulling exercises?"
If you are using pulling exercises, a full traction pulling strength is required, but the last sets should be a moderate and a light pulling set. The initial set can be light, or moderate pulling strength, while the middle sets should be high tension pulling. This is a dynamic pulling. As @MickeyDeese point out, you don't need to put so much strength in the pulls for all sets that it comes back to cause you retraction. It's about easing in, stressing the tissues, and easing out to prevent the tissues from going into shocks.
If you are talking about wrapping at the very end to keep things elongated, as long as you can keep the traction with the wrapping around 900g to 1.1kg, you are good. That is considered as a full traction. This is required for faster gains.
If the discussion is a bit confusing, do identify the confusion so we can clear things up.
I use the Length Master and I’ve been doing the BTC routines and I have it wrapped after my workouts and wrapped all day, but there is just a slight drawback when I’m wrapped, but it’s still very much elongated to full traction, but there is a little more pull that could possibly be there and that’s what I’m asking. I just wanna know if that little bit more that I could do, but I’d have to wrap it extremely tight, which isn’t good for blood flow, is a big factor in Gaines?
If you can push the wrapping to get a bit more traction pull, yes, go for it. But make sure not to wrap too tightly where blood flow is too restricted. If you can wrap tight, not overly tightly, but still manage to see good blood flow in the glans at the highest pulling traction for the wrap, you are in great shape.
Exactly
MickeyDeese
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Merry Christmas and happy holidays. May your routines work and all your gains be permanent.
God bless you and I hope you've had a wonderful christmas and I hope you're looking forward to a positive new year
MickeyDeese
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Finished my 3 week decon. Fuck that was rough staying away. Started the new routine tonight. Its a bit more intense than what I did last year. Did what I felt was a light set 5 hours ago and the base of my D is ever so lightly sore. Its going to take a little experimenting to get this figured out. We'll see how i feel tomorrow. If I'm still sore then the weight was too heavy, if I'm feeling good then the weight was good and ill add like 15 minutes to the hang time.
January 2, 2026 bpsfl pre-measurement: 23.2 cm. Didn't get a post measurement.
Took Vardenafil to get a steel hard hour long erection. Did 45 minutes erect hanging w 5 lbs. I then got distracted... had sex twice... then watched a game show with my wife. Erect hanging is a different beast. Like I said, 5 hours later and I'm slightly sore. I'm glad I stopped when I did cause I can feel how I could have easily caused injury.
Tomorrow will be ADS and a very light r.i.p. pump in the bath which will end the second I see or feel edema.
This routine will seem easy or light to some, especially to the rip your dick off with constant exercise strategies. I will be testing the signaling for collagen remodeling/rematrixing from the +5% strain and ligament stretch under tension of erect hanging. Then prioritizing not reseting that signal while allowing for the full 72 to 96 hour healing and recovery phase under minimal ADS tension. Erect hanging sessions will be only twice a week. I think I can get away with Mondays and Fridays.
Very different approach from last year which was inadvertently mostly tissue conditioning and testing my personal tissue limits. Outside a few very minor urethral tears I thankfully I did not cause any permanent injuries or fibrosis (that I'm aware of).
January 2, 2026 bpsfl pre-measurement: 23.2 cm. Didn't get a post measurement.
Took Vardenafil to get a steel hard hour long erection. Did 45 minutes erect hanging w 5 lbs. I then got distracted... had sex twice... then watched a game show with my wife. Erect hanging is a different beast. Like I said, 5 hours later and I'm slightly sore. I'm glad I stopped when I did cause I can feel how I could have easily caused injury.
Tomorrow will be ADS and a very light r.i.p. pump in the bath which will end the second I see or feel edema.
This routine will seem easy or light to some, especially to the rip your dick off with constant exercise strategies. I will be testing the signaling for collagen remodeling/rematrixing from the +5% strain and ligament stretch under tension of erect hanging. Then prioritizing not reseting that signal while allowing for the full 72 to 96 hour healing and recovery phase under minimal ADS tension. Erect hanging sessions will be only twice a week. I think I can get away with Mondays and Fridays.
Very different approach from last year which was inadvertently mostly tissue conditioning and testing my personal tissue limits. Outside a few very minor urethral tears I thankfully I did not cause any permanent injuries or fibrosis (that I'm aware of).
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