MickeyDeese
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You tagged both HugeGirth and myself @9.5inchpro .
I hit 9.3 inches bpsfl post work out yesterday. Last I measured bpel I was 8.3 inches at maybe only 70-75% EQ.
+ 2"L + 1"G (1 year progress thread)
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I hit 9.3 inches bpsfl post work out yesterday. Last I measured bpel I was 8.3 inches at maybe only 70-75% EQ.
@oldandlively is there any disadvantages doing bundled stretches just only standing ? I typically stand while doing a session.
The behind the cheeks, or doward bundled stretches doesn't make much sense to me.
The stretches feel the same to me.
The behind the cheeks, or doward bundled stretches doesn't make much sense to me.
The stretches feel the same to me.
None. You can stand, sit, crawl, lay down, or even doing yoga poses while stretching. The only main thing is the angles of the routine to maximize the workout.
Imagine standing straight up considered as 0 degrees. By pulling straight down, let's assume that 0 degrees because that the optimum angle of natural pull going straight down during rest based on gravitation pull.
Let's assume going forward from natural state of erection from 0 degrees to the full flag is positive degrees from 0 to 180 degrees. Then pulling to the between the cheeks considered as negative angles because it goes in an unnatural opposite direction from 0 to -180 degrees. With that in mind, let's rethink the fundamental concepts of the pulls.
Now, imagine you are standing up, pulling the penis straight out at 90 degrees. You are forcing your penis to be pull at whatever force you're exerting the penis. Say your arm strength is forcing a 10lbs of traction exertion outwards, your entire penis shaft, part of the ligments and base muscles are being pulled at 10lbs of traction force. However, the design of the ligaments are already forward supporting, something like a bra for large breasts, they are simply holding things upwards with the support bra straps helps with the reduction of the pulling force like the pubic skin and surrounding muscle tissues for the penis at the base. The traction force on the ligaments are only 1/4 of the pulling strength. Let's change the direction from 90 degrees to 180 degrees. You are now pulling at 10lbs of traction force, but the ligaments are not longer effected. The entire penis shaft and the base muscles are the only two being influenced on the pull based on the angles of the ligaments designed as a biological mechanism for your penis.
Now, let's go the reverse angles. From 0 to -45 degrees at 10lbs of traction, you are exerting the same 10lbs of traction force, but the ligaments are designed to help the penis remains staying upwards and outwards. With the 10lbs of force being pulled downwards, that 10lbs of pulling down at an angle has a 1/2 strength influence. That means that 10lbs is around 5lbs of force pulling on the ligaments, while 10lbs remain for the supporting muscles tissues at the base of the penis. Now, let's increase the angle to -90 degrees. The ligaments are not under heavier stress load going straight down. That 10lbs is now at 100% influenced for all ligaments and tissues, including the penis shaft. Let's further increase the angle to -110 degrees, which is around the maximum you can do while standing straight up. the ligaments are no longer at 100%, but due to the unnatural angle of pull, you're going against the very nature of ligament capacity to hold their ability to provide the natural "suspensory" angle. You are placing a burden of 120% to 150% on the ligaments and base muscle tissues.
Now, let's push this even more. Standing straight up, your biomechanics cannot provide that excessive angle beyond the -110 degrees. By bending forward at a 45 degrees, your pelvic can now take advantage of the form where the pelvic floor can relax and allows the angle of attack to increase past -110 degrees. However, your pelvic floor muscles are working overtime during the standing to provide stability engagement. You can still go as far as -130 degrees, but you are placing quite a bit of a workout on all your muscle groups. Standing with your body at 45 degrees tilting forward can do a number on your lower lumbar, not to mention your sacral region (the part of your pelvic and tailbone). This is why sitting down, tilting forward, and resting your chest on the chair's back rest is much easier, while allowing you to pull past -110 degrees with your pelvic relaxes. Between -115 to -125 degrees, you've reached an optimal stretching angles to force your ligaments and base muscles to be under massive stresses. Rather than pulling at 10lbs, you can practically ease up at 5 to 6lbs to do the same thing at 10lbs. Imagine adding the contortion (bundling) on top of pulling at this angles, you can further reduce the total traction load from 5lbs to 3lbs. This is working smarter, not harder to obtain results. Adding in SIM's video to testify the 5-minute dynamic stretches by adding various traction force during the 5-minute exercises, the BTC 5D was coined as a usable name on top of the BTC exercise routine. We've discovered this over a decade ago about bundling and between the cheeks after 90% of brotherhood, back then, played around with various methods of approaches.
@DLD @huge-girth mind confirming this for me so I don't speak out of turns for all the brothers that have tested the bundled/bundling and BTC approaches?
Wow, that is incredible. How much time has passed between the two measurements?
@oldandlively the wealth of information you share is beyond helpful, thank you for sharing. I think I might experiment with the behind the cheeks approach. The position just feels a bit uncomfortable, and a bit awkward. But if it's more effective, then I'll try it.
MickeyDeese
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I measure bpsfl daily before and after every single workout to make sure I get that minimum +5% post workout stretch.
bpel I have measured monthly since September 2024. At 10 months I was at 8.1 inches. At 11 months just over 8.3 inches.
I have a best fit line applied to my graph to help visualize the general direction I'm headed. As you can see my bpsfl measurements are becoming very consolidated over the last month. Which I believe is an indication of the beginning of a plateau. Also letting me know I should probably do something new to prevent the plateau. Hanging for 6 hours gave me a +7% post increase. Flat out, I will not be able to do 6 hours of work out every day. I can do that maybe once... possibly twice a week. 2 to 3 hours daily is far more realistic. So I'm thinking of adding infrared heat to my hang, or vibration extending next. Infrared will be much easier for me to implement. Just can't afford $150 on a heat wrap for at least two or three months.
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Very consistent without outliers. This is linear nominal growth. Love it! Yes, definitely need heat to maximize the tissue softening to promote higher plasticity level for stretches. I believe they do have specific size red light wrap that's perfect for hanging. Don't spend too much on overpriced gimmicks. Just proper red light wrap with adjustable power loads. Make sure to check the temperature ranges for contact surface for long hour exposure. If not, simplify your searches for IR wraps with adjustable thermal ranges. They have various customized ankle, wrist, finger, and small width and length wraps for less than $40
MickeyDeese
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@oldandlively Do you have any suggestions on particular brand or product?
I have checked Amazon and found that "red light" wraps are not infrared.... and that actual infrared wraps can cost into the thousands.
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If you go to our store we have a proper light, called the MOSRED.
There are no specific brand you have to be subjected under. You are correct to say that IR and red light (although IR falls within the higher wavelength of red light).
Look for a wrist or ankle wrap with adjustable heating on Amazon or AliExpress, or any drop ship site.
There are many, many, many options. Red light is good, but the red light is limited on light and not heat. You want heat, with adjustable options. Wrist wraps with heat adjustment is the better choice since you don't have to limit your red light exposure.
From my own experience, I felt the intensity of all length master stretches more when sitting down. This is because, I don't have to stretch my hand all the way down. Sitting down makes it easier to do all length master exercises because the penis would be much closer to your hands due to the support from your thighs being raise we up.
But whatever position you take when doing the stretch, it's still going to work as long as you are able to stretch effectively. Forgive my poor English.
I see, @huge-girth when you stretch, does your penis feel sore afterwards ?
I'm trying to get it to where my penis feel sore afterwards, so I'm beefing up my wrapping and pull much longer to see if I feel the soreness, also trying behind the cheeks.
I'm trying to get it to where my penis feel sore afterwards, so I'm beefing up my wrapping and pull much longer to see if I feel the soreness, also trying behind the cheeks.
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I had to edit my post. I thought you asked if my penis feels soft after my session. It doesn't feel sore. It only feel sore during the session and also when I start a new exercise.
Ahh ok, someone posted somewhere on this forum that if your penis doesn't feel sore after your session, then it probably wasn't intense enough, something along those lines. My penis shrivels up after a session, so I leave the bandage on to keep it elongated, or i put on the SG extender.
Using the length master and SG together is overkill for your penis. That's overtraining.
@oldandlively what are your thoughts on this ?
It's true that if you spend so much time with the LM3 under high intensities, follows by SG with high intensities as well. I'll explain:
Those of us who start out, LM3 already place a massive burden even at light traction loads, say 3lbs to 5lbs, with bundled/bundling/contortion/twisting of the penis. That 3lbs to 5lbs place around 6lbs to 10lbs of burden on the entire shaft, ligaments, and base muscles, especially when it's used between the cheeks. For straight down, the traction load is the same as exerted, straight out, or straight up. This statement is a short summary without expanding it further, and it does sound a bit contradictory, but that's the short of it.
If you use the LM3 for 30 minutes, the SG extender can be used at 1100g of traction for 6 to 8 hours to mirror the extender recommended wear time. LM3 moderate traction load is equivalent to the wear time of 1 hour for every 5 to 10 minutes of moderate workout routine.
But, when the brothers start to push harder and higher intensities with the LM3, say between 10lbs to 20lbs traction load, you're placing so much strain on the tissues that you're practically ripping the tissues apartment from micro tears state to macro tears state. It's something like a sprain finger to a full blown dislocation. Micro tears is easier and faster to heal. Macro tears will take much longer to heal. At moderate traction load, you can wear the SG for a few additional hours. At high intensities, if you wear the extender to induce further tractions, you simply promote higher internal damage. This is why we warn the brothers to wrap and allow the penis to be healed under low traction elongated state at around 300g to 500g, not 600g to 1100g or even higher. Most who wears SG and move around a lot, the traction loads fluctuate between 900g all the way to 3.5kg. That is practically an extreme state of overstressing.
The conclusion is, you must know the traction load you're approaching. Moderate traction loads plus long hours low traction load allow the penis to heal and stretch at the same time. High to very high traction load for 40 to 90 minutes, follow by all day wrapping, you've completed your needs for the daily stretching. However, to reach this point, conditioning is required. Otherwise, the nerves, blood vessels, and soft tissues will be damaged beyond proper repairing.
@oldandlively I see, thank you for breaking that down. Luckily, I haven't experienced much pain or nerve damage scares. I do LM3 every day for an hour now, and SG extending for 1-2 hours a day with a moderate traction, not too low, not too high. I can still get an erection, and wake up with boners every now and then. But after reading this, ill just stick to an hour of lm3.
MickeyDeese
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Added a weekly fatigue pump set. Borderline scary but after doing PE for hours, daily, for nearly an entire year I know what I can handle. Leaves my D sore, similar to the feeling muscle groups get a couple days after a real intense workout. So, not a bad or concerning soreness. Noticing a particularly big boost to post bpsfl on hang sessions the 2nd and 3rd days after fatigue pumping.
I've never heard of fatigue pump set up what exactly is this?