Silistretcher vs Stealth Stretcher?

thedudefather said:

It's funny you mention doing lm before pumping. I had an idea about a routine and would actually love your input:

30-40 mins of lengthmaster in the morning and length pumping at night. I'd be doing it every other day because I've noticed I'm still pretty engorged the morning after pumping.

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That's not a bad approach. Keep your length gently wrapped up to prevent turtling, or even better yet, use ADS to cement your gain faster, and pump at night to allow the resting phase to heal both length and girth. This is where you need to test which works best. Testing approaches is the best way to see if you can fool the body and mind to prevent them from adapting too rapidly and continue to get the gains you need.

oldandlively said:

That's not a bad approach. Keep your length gently wrapped up to prevent turtling, or even better yet, use ADS to cement your gain faster, and pump at night to allow the resting phase to heal both length and girth. This is where you need to test which works best. Testing approaches is the best way to see if you can fool the body and mind to prevent them from adapting too rapidly and continue to get the gains you need.

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I have a silisleeve2 that's perfect for post pump/cock ring. Allows me to stay engorged while keeping me extended.

You look huge 😍

DLD said:

You look huge 😍

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Only by the graces of your equipment and the tutelage of the brotherhood

thedudefather said:

Only by the graces of your equipment and the tutelage of the brotherhood

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🙏🏽😄🙏🏽

@oldandlively you mentioned something about using the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging directly before going into the MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System and seeing some increased expansion. In your experience, would that be as effective as doing them separately?

thedudefather said:

@oldandlively you mentioned something about using the lengthmaster directly before going into the mityvac and seeing some increased expansion. In your experience, would that be as effective as doing them separately?

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Yes, it can be separated or both in tandem to obtain the similar effectiveness. However, you see greater greater expansion going from one to another by at least 25% compared to allowing the tissues time to retract/cool down. I'll break it down:

LM + MityVac, the duo routine:
Since you already stretched and warm the tissues to the optimal conditions through elongation processes, you already completed the first part of the leg work for elongation within the SSJ routine. SSJ is not about expansion, but if you look zoom in at the microscopic level, you're expanding and elongating at the same as you twist and bend the tissues. That's what you've done through the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging, 20 full minutes of it. You maxed out the elongation process to the best that you can.

Don't do the SSJ, but go straight to pumping. Take advantage of the warmed tissues for ballooning purposes.

As you jump into the MityVac routine, the elongation process already maxed out, you're pushing the SSJ to take advantage of the elongation to also max out the expansion. Think of the balloon. You stretch long to create micro tears and soften the ballon walls to expand without surface imperfection or stresses as you add air volume.

Once you pump, further warming and optimizing your tissues for expansion, go into SSJ. What LM cannot create in terms of micro tears through twisting, stretching, and bending, SSJ will further supplement that through partial expansion and and contortion processes. It's like popping the last kernel of popcorns that refused to be popped in the microwaves.

LM + MityVac routines in progression exhaust your tissues and collagen bonds to an extreme level. If you think about it, that's roughly a full hour of continuous stressor routines. If your penile tissues can handle even more, you can crank it up to 2 hours worth. This is not including the post-workout routines such as cock ring, red light, then kiss and tender massages. In reality, 2 hours is more than enough to do all this work.

LM, cool down time with wraps/ADS, then MityVac:
If you use the LM routine, wraps up to prevent turtling, you still lose about 10% at minimum to 40% as the tissues cooled down, where cells and collagen bonds repair themselves. If you have to max out your tissue to be stressed to achieve the potiential growth, you have to go further with intensity to obtain that potential in the duo routines. The cool down period forces you to prime your tissues again to break down more collagen bonds, more cells, and further stress your tissues later down the road. You do get the benefits of new cells being broken down and more gaps to fill, but tissues are not as primed as when they came out of the LM routines. Your fatigue may not be as intensified as the duo routines. The more the tissues feel fatigue, the more resources the body will divert to maximize the healing processes.

Is one worth more than the other?
Yes, in term of the continuous stressor and fatigue achievement. No, if you don't have time and need to space them out. Either process will provide you the equivalent gains at the end of the day. This is what I observed in the past 1 month:

I measured the penis using the cylinder itself. I didn't bother to use the ruler since the cylinder acts as my ruler.

ADS (5lbs initial hour and 2.5lbs for the remainder) for 8 hours and then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:

• Length coming out of cylinder: 6.65in from 6.45in
• Girth in the 2in cylinder: 90% filled, coming out of cylinder 70%, lasting up to 9 hours.

LM at 5lbs force traction, ADS for 8 hours and then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:

• Length coming out of cylinder: 6.75in from 6.45in
• Girth in the 2in cylinder: 90% filled, coming out of cylinder 70%, lasting up to 9 hours.

LM for 20 minutes with dynamic intensity from 5lbs to 7lbs, then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:

• Length coming out of cylinder: 7.15in from 6.45in
• Girth in the 2in cylinder: 95% filled, coming out of cylinder ~80%, lasting up to 8 hours.

LM for 40 minutes with dynamic intensity between 5lbs to 7lbs, then up to 10lbs for the last 10 minutes, then use the modified 3x3x7 routine at night:

• Length coming out of cylinder: 7.25in and at times, 7.5in. Length remain at 7in for 5 hours with some retraction when removed from wrapping/ADS.
• Girth in 2in cylinder: 95% filled, and at times 100% nice and tight, coming out of cylinder 90% (wife loves this one). After 5 hours, it's around 80% and remain for the next 5 hours.

** LM dynamic traction up to 15lbs was tested but not recorded. It was to see how much I could handle in the first 30 seconds.

So, tissue pliability for devopment is phenomenal in a duo-routine. When I do too many days in a row and hit extreme fatigues, I cannot get the same results for LM (40 minutes) + vacuum cylinder (3x3x7). This is when I schedule a day rest. Give it a try and experience it for yourself.

Hey @oldandlively I got an email about this thing. In your experience, would something like this actually work like it claims?

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thedudefather said:

Hey @oldandlively I got an email about this thing. In your experience, would something like this actually work like it claims?

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I'll break it down for you, which is directly from their sale slogan and based on scientific evidence. Here's the device:



The Mag-Volt device creates a deep magnetic field with a mild galvanic current of up to 1.10-volts. This improves metabolic function for accelerated healing, increased testosterone production and greater flaccid size. The zinc metal supports enzymes that regulate cell division, growth and wound healing. Copper plays an important role in making red blood cells, forming collagen, and protecting cells from damage. While silver acts as a powerful antimicrobial agent, while also promoting healing, regulation of internal heat and blood flow.

For those who don't understand the scientific information, I'll break it down.
Deep magnetic field with a mild galvanic current of up to 1.10-volts
Our entire body is full of magnetic fields, and we're exposed to magnetic fields every nanosecond of the day. Your watch, your phone, your earbuds, everything around you has a current and a magnetic field. Galvanic current is an electric current stimulator, similar to the TENS electrodes for your muscles and nerves, but it's generated across your skin and affecting down to roughly 8mm deep. Your penis is not just 8mm deep. Most penis is 15mm deep to meet the center of the penis, or 1.5cm (roughly 0.6in). This is an average circumference of 10cm, or 4in. Keep that in mind for the time being.

Now, you have 4 primarily magnets, 2 at the top, 2 at the side, and just ignore the copper piece at the bottom. In order to maximize the healing potential from cellular regeneration through multi-cellular regeneration, you need an "active" current at all time, covering every last millimeter of your penis from the tip of the glans to the base of your penis. The flaw, as you can just already see, has no active current, and on top of that, it's limited to a magnetic field no greater than 3 times the length and width of the magnets. Let's say it's a spheroid field of affects. You're lucky if you can get more than 1 inch spheroid field of functionality. What happen to the remaining areas of coverage? Most penises are not 1 to 2 inches long. By the way, this is an attempt to duplicate energized jade balls used by the Asian countries, claiming there's capacity to heal. There's some slight truth to it. To to heal, you have to wear it all day long, and cover your entire body with the jade balls, and the areas of affects is less than 10mm deep.

"..improves metabolic function for accelerated healing, increased testosterone production and greater flaccid size.."
Yes, this is true, but once again, it must be constantly active with electrical charges. If you look at the clinics that use the galvanic current equipment, it's for epidermal to dermal induction. To accelerate the metabolic healing, you have to influence the entire area, including your organs responsible to generate hormones that accelerate your metabolic rate. This means the entire body series of organs, ranging from gut, liver, adipose tissues, pancreas, kidney, dense muscles, and thyroid, just to name a few. Your penis does not have dense muscle tissues, which contradicts the necessary metabolic enhancement requirements. As you can see, the statement already has two direct flaws. But then, increase testosterone via cellular enthalpy? HUH?! If that's the case, we wouldn't be popping pills and doing testosterone therapy treatments. We'll be just wearing these incredible devices throughout our entire body. Then the greater flaccid size? How? If it acts like a cock ring, sure. It doesn't. It doesn't even conform to constrictive design. How can it acts like a cock ring. There's insufficient amount of active electrical current to relax the nerves, or even blocks the nerves from sending signals back to the brain, in order to induce flaccid state. Let's say it does work, what you have as flaccid without PE is your maximum flaccid length. There's is no "greater flaccid size" unless you constrict the amount of blood in your penis, such as a cock ring.

The zinc metal supports enzymes that regulate cell division, growth and wound healing. Copper plays an important role in making red blood cells, forming collagen, and protecting cells from damage. While silver acts as a powerful antimicrobial agent, while also promoting healing, regulation of internal heat and blood flow.
Zinc and copper will help you as noted, but both have to be internal and not external. Your body don't just absorb the zinc plating and copper from outside, unless the copper is truly in liquid form. Copper touching your skin is great in killing the bacteria for a full penny size diameter for that bottom piece, but that's pretty much it. Same for silver. But how the hell does it hope to heal and regulate internal function when it sits outside looking pretty?

I'm sorry, but this is snake oil straight out from "Shut up and pay me" sale tactics. It's like "breast enhance cream guarantee you to make you grow from A size to C size". My colleagues are cracking up with me right now over the phone.

For those who like to read up on magnetic and electro-stimulation for ED and penile enhancement, you might like to read up on these:


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Haha ok, thank you for the detailed response. I'll just mark it as spam 😂

thedudefather said:

Haha ok, thank you for the detailed response. I'll just mark it as spam 😂

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Why spam?

@thedudefather and @oldandlively read the rules and regulations before posting.

DLD said:

DO NOT SPAM HERE
Links are fine as long as it is to a free site or a site of specific relation to the post as long as the poster has no personal interest to gain monetarily. No pay sites.

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No pay sites.

squirt_inducer_man said:

@thedudefather and @oldandlively read the rules and regulations before posting.

No pay sites.

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It's not spam, rather, the manufacturer's promotion of the newest and latest products. Something like Bathmate SuperXtreme, PeniMaster Ultra Deluxe, or $20k machine. It's about the discussion of the products and the realistic expectation behind the product.

oldandlively said:

It's not spam, rather, the manufacturer's promotion of the newest and latest products. Something like Bathmate SuperXtreme, PeniMaster Ultra Deluxe, or $20k machine. It's about the discussion of the products and the realistic expectation behind the product.

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Links to any other pay sites then shop.mattersofsize.com are not allowed.

oldandlively said:

It's not spam, rather, the manufacturer's promotion of the newest and latest products. Something like Bathmate SuperXtreme, PeniMaster Ultra Deluxe, or $20k machine. It's about the discussion of the products and the realistic expectation behind the product.

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Clearifying:
I know this is outside the scope of this thread, but I felt this was important to emphasize and explain again.

It has to do with how Google BOTS and other search engine bots are crawling the website. We want all links preferably to be within the mattersofsize.com domain (also: shop.mattersofsize.com) to not risking being pushed down on the search reasults on the biggest search engines.

This is also the reason we have been hiding/removing and censored �naked people movies� - related content within this forum software. We don't want to be categorized as a �naked people movies� site.

With this said above.
It is important to keep discussing and understand everything related to penis enlargement. @oldandlively your posts are so helpful and very beneficial to this brotherhood. I know for sure that without your help, I would never have been gaining as fast as I did in girth, with my water pumping with MityVac Hydro-Vac Penis Pump.

Other devices and technics that exists outside of mattersofsize.com will be discussed, and that is very good and important for the expansion and development of this brotherhood. But please try your best to limit URL's to other pay sites on the internet.

Maybe instead add a picure (if the picture are free to be shared) and some information in how to find it, if it's necessarily needed, otherwise concepts can be discussed.

I'm NOT here to be a bad guy or a control freak, my purpose here is to make sure this brotherhood keeps growing, and that we don't get pushed down on the list on the search results on the biggest search engines. This is very important and all the other "big" penis enlargement forums are doing the same thing. I have been lurking on these sites in order to learn how they think.

I know the amount of traffic is a big part as well, but the search engine bots are still a major factor to control how people are finding us (mattersofsize.com) through the Internet/all the search engines, but also how the search engines are connecting key words to this site. I'm no expert jet on this topic, but what we have done for the past ~1.5 years since I got here have really helped us with Google (most people use Google).

I hope you understand my friend
Take care and grow big.

No worries brother. You keep everything in check and that is truly needed. It's truly a fine line of production discussion versus paid site links as they also contain relevant info, such as comparative study data and reality fact checks. I like to grab their slogans and data for the moment in time as evidence.

@squirt_inducer_man I only posted because I was curious about what people thought. I said I'll mark it as spam as a way to not receive those emails again. I'm neither promoting nor selling anything. Personally I don't buy anything other than what MOS has because I know it's quality and it works.

oldandlively said:

No worries brother. You keep everything in check and that is truly needed. It's truly a fine line of production discussion versus paid site links as they also contain relevant info, such as comparative study data and reality fact checks. I like to grab their slogans and data for the moment in time as evidence.

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You are correct there is a fine line.
But search engine bots are the main reason for not having external links to pay sites.

thedudefather said:

I'm neither promoting nor selling anything.

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I know. Everything is good. I was just explaining how and why this rule about no external pay sites exist.

Understood. In other news, after a week off for a work trip, my first Girth program (SRT 5x5x3) session resulted in me nearly packing my tube all the way and getting close to 18cm!