Who knows. I'm 7" non bp with over 6" of girth most of the shaft....right around 6.25" actually. At this current size, which I've been at for around 3 years now, I have heard everything from "you're huge", "wow!", "OMG!", "that HAS to be at LEAST 9"!", and the list goes on. I was even called "Too big" once, which was funny to me, and quite a nice complement. I think "Ideal" is in the eye of the owner of the penis. Women, and lovers will say what they feel/perceive, but it boils down to you, and what you'd be happy with. A man can realistically achieve whatever size he wants, for the most part whether naturally, surgically, or through the rare genetic blessing of non crippling priapism. I'm going for more length now that I have this awesome Max Vac stretcher. Time will tell if it will work for me, but it's a VERY promising device for sure. I'm able to clock several consistent hours daily with it. I've logged over 40 hours of wear time in the last week or so that I've had it. That's more than twice the hours in a week that I used to be able to hang when I was using weights.