F26 - Newbie Q&A

Some tools and dick skincare products already arrived, directly had to test and experiment with it of course
Also I've read some more threads about BPFSL -> BPEL - length before girth theories and experiences here.

Tools tested so far:
1) Lengthmaster
What a great product. So much easier to stretch for lazy people like me. Also I've read some threads about the different exercises you can use it for. Even for hanging later
2) Penimaster Pro
Love it! If I can really make it to work over time wearing that thing nearly 24/7 or at least 18h a day beside sleeping, it would be phenomenal.

Belt expander: Perfect for beginners like me. You can adjust the intensity on stretch easily, even when it's already on, takes a second. It's a comfortable fit, even when walking with it. I still have to accustom my dick to it, because it's unusual to have a permanent stretch on it. I had to much intensity in the beginning and then it hurt a little, but not too bad. I think the secret here is to have a slight stretch, but over a long time.
Rod expander: Not as comfortable as the belt expander, but it's more accurate, because you can adjust the intensity of the stretch based on the amount of rod pieces you put togehter. Also you can't move with it as good as with the belt expander, mostly because you can only wear it in 2 directions - fully up or fully down. Maybe I will use the rod expander while sitting in front of my notebook and doing short sessions, but more intense. Like manual stretching sessions.

The only problem I have so far is that my glans get swollen a little bit. I don't know the right word for it. It also happens when I'm doing intense manual stretching and grabbing directly below the glans. It get's kind of swollen, feels like water? Researched a little bit, lymph or something like that? After some jelqing or after letting it relax it always disappears. Does my dick needs to accustom to it or what can I do that it doesn't happen anymore?

3) Air pump
Got a conical cylinder and a good pump. But in my opinion people could easily also use normal vacuum manometer handpump for a cheaper price and then buying a cylinder and a pvc hosepip + connector on a pe tool site.
It's always written in the threads that you should stay erect in the pump, but how is it possible you guys doing 5-10 sets of up to 20min each set? Do you watch �naked people movies� beside or do you take something like viagra and cialis? ?
Paid attention that I only start slow and went only up to 2.5hg pressure and like 5-10min for 2 sets with jelqing during the break.

4) Original Uncle Jims Wrap / Ace Wrap / Bandage Wrap
Ouch, I don't like the material of the Original Uncle Jim Wrap as it's scratching my skin. It's very long, like normal bandages, but I can't/don't want to destroy it because it has velcro at the start and end of it.
It's the same material like ACE bandage, which I also don't like. It's too raw for my skin and scratches. Maybe I'm wrong and my dick has to accustom to it but I really don't like it that much so far.
I've tested normal thin bandages yesterday and wrapped it, at first I taped it in the end that it's not unwrapping, but it annoyed me as I have to unwrap and wrap it again every 30-60min as I get a cold glans. So I went to the pharmacy and bought some kind of "connectors", it's a fixiation band of tape/iron which is grabbing like 1mm into the bandage at the start and end of it, re-usable as often as you want. Time to make it connect or disconnect: 1 second! Love it.
It felt amazing, didn't scratch at all and is very cheap. For sure they won't last as long as a thick material bandage like the Uncle Jims Wrap but gives me much more comfort and I can adjust the size of the wrapping. Cut the normal bandage in half and it's still enough cause a bandage like this is 2m long.

Manual Training Experiences so far:
1) Basic Stretching
Easy to learn, but I have a question. If I increase the intensity, then my glans gets 'swollen' a little bit. Researched and found out it's maybe water/lymp? After some jelqing or relaxing it disappears.
Learning the most common stretching exercises and experimenting with the intensity.

2) Jelqing
Started jelqing with some normal skincare cream, but as some oils arrived today, I'll switch over to oil because the cream always lost being slippery after 1-2min. Slowly start to increasing the EQ during jelqing. Started off a few days ago with 30-50% EQ and now increasing day by day a little.
Problem I have so far is that I always directly get fully errect when I start jelqing and have to think at some unerotic things to stop being erect. Will that stop over time or how do you guys do it?
Another question: Is it normal that the skin of the fatpad goes like 1-2 inch in the same direction like my jelqs? It feels like it is very much skin and that's why I need to use 2 hands for jelqing. But as that was kind of annoying and keeping focus away from my jelqs. Also I have a kind of turkey neck, so some skin of my ballsack goes up my dick and it also seems like that there is lots of skin around my base.
I searched for a way around with skin annoying me during the jelqing training, so now I sit on my balls to hold them back - so the skin also gets hold back and I can easily jelq with 2 hands instead of 1 hand always holding back the skin. Is it normal that there is lots of skin showing up when you do jelqs?

Nice, brother!

I have never been a fan of wrapping. Tried it, didn't like it. You should get a silisleev, or a few actually. Sooo comfortable, and keeps you elongated through the day as well as overnight.

I was asking you if you want me to move this thread into the progress and routine section.

DLD said:

I was asking you if you want me to move this thread into the progress and routine section.

Click to expand...

Hey @DLD I've already answered you here: https://mattersofsize.com/topic/welcome-to-mos-f26.1819707/post-1861292
Maybe you haven't seen it because I've quoted 3 posts at the same time, sorry, my mistake here.

I'm starting a personal log/progress thread very soon, no worries. I just don't want to spam my upcoming training log with all the questions which are still coming up every few hours as I'm taking lots of time right now reading through lots of threads, theories and methods. I want the log more focused on the training instead of all my beginner questions.

??

Testing the Tools - Day 2:
5) Bathmate Hydromax 7
Tested it for 5min in the shower. Sitting on the ground as it feels the most comfortable for me compared to standing. If I'm standing the weight of the bathmate and water increases the pressure of my dick, at least it feels like that. When I'm sitting it's only the pressure of the bathmate, think that's how it should be. For sure there's the Shower strap, but honestly I still don't feel comfortable with it and also it doesn't feel comfortable showering, washing hair and body while wearing it. I prefer to have 100% focus on my training.
I slowly increased the pressure every min, dang, this thing is a suction master. Couldn't go to the max as it really can build up a lot of pressure and I want to increase the time and intensity slowly day by day as it feels like most safe to me.
After pumping my dick was a little bit thicker in flaccid state and a little bit red (lots of blood in it, nothing bad). Also the skin on my dick felt more soft and thick.

6) Bathmate Hydromax Extreme X40
Well, just imagine all I wrote above but even a stronger pressure LOL This thing literally is a beast as you have a vacuum hand pump attached to the normal pump and can build even more pressure with it. Of course you can also use the Extreme X40 without the vacuum hand pump and just use it as every normal bathmate. Sadly I can't use the vacuum hand pump on my Hydromax X7 which is smaller in size (length and girth), because it has another valve size on the top and it isn't possible to switch them.

Why have I bought 2 different sizes?
A) Got them for a much cheaper price than they sell it usually.
B) Wanted to train length in the Hydromax 7 as it has less girth so the dick is forced to increase more in length. For more intense girth sessions I will use the Extreme X40, because it's more wide. And as far as I know, in pumps the dick is enlarging at first in girth and then in length.

7) Vitallus Plus
Feels good man! An automatic pump which is connected via hose to your Vacuum Extender (Pump Cylinder), which is fit on your measurements which you send over to the company. The maximum pressure is 100Mbar which is 2.9-3HG. But there's also a pressure regulator if it's too much pressure, so it's easy to regulate. Does it make sound? Yes it does! So if you're living with some other people in a flat I wouldn't recommend if you don't want that they will ask you sooner or later what is causing that sound. Don't get me wrong, it's not very very loud. But in the beginning as the vacuum extender is connecting to your fatpad, it's very noticeable. You can speed up that process to a few seconds if you push the vacuum extender to your fatpad.
I've just used it for 30min, but my dick felt very well blooded afterwards and had some pump. The pressure doesn't feel as intense as in a normal airpump or bathmate because the vacuum extender consists of an inner silicone extender and an outer plastic cylinder. So that's their 'secret' why they say it's possible to wear over night, 8 hours or even longer without problems, if you're accustomed your dick to it over time.

Let's come to the usage: Wearing that thing at night? Hmm, I really have to test it but right now I can't imagine that. In sleep we're often turning around and then it would fall off. Guess what happens when the cylinder goes off your fatpad? It makes noisy sounds which are not very quiet. So maybe I will wake up then and if that happens more often I won't have any good relaxing sleep. But that's just what I'm thinking right now. If it wouldn't be possible to use while sleeping it still would be great wearing it after a girth session, but let's see.


Problems and current Questions:
Mummy/Wrap:
Love it the most currently as 'passive pe tool'. Feels amazing, easy to use, nothing to do wrong with it (injuries) and it's not a problem wearing it outside in public. Depending on how much intense you wrap it, I need to unwrap it every 30min, doing some heli shakes and wrap it again.
Unwrapping takes approximately 10 seconds, wrapping takes around 30-45 seconds, so it's really pretty simple and you can do that everywhere where a toilet is available.
Problem: Had an intense wrap at home, fallen asleep on the couch, woke up 4hours later and couldn't feel my dick anymore took me around 1-2min that I had the feeling back. Was feeling cold but still had the normal skin color and everything, so not a blue or black dick as I've imagined the first second when I woke up. So I really need to pay attention that I'm not falling asleep while having it on an intense stretch, else it could maybe end very bad? I don't know what injuries it could have cause if it would have been 8hours. What would you say? So I'm kind of feared wearing that a night as I can't rewrap it every 30-60min to get it warmed up again.


I'm still in a battle with myself to do Length before Girth, I can't really tell you exactly why as lots of people made huge gains who did 50/50 length/girth, but I have a feeling about it.
Some thoughts about it:
1) The thicker the dick, the more intensity is needed to get an intense stretch, because obviously the flaccid size of a thick dick has more volume than the flaccid size of a thin dick. More volume = needs more intensity to be stretched at the same level of intensity, or am I wrong?
Compare it to thera bands, textile or normal tissue of our body.
2) If the dick needs only to increase in length and replace the tissue which is based on your girth, wouldn't it be easier for the body to replace the tissue of 1mm length from a thin dick compared to the tissue of a dick with a lot of girth? I don't know if our body has a maximum of tissue/cells which it can build hourly/daily/weekly on our dick?
3) If the dick is increasing in length first, then I would have more length which I could train for girth in that moment. So as there is a longer dick, it has more tissue and cells which will expand during girth workouts. So the volume increase would be much more from a long and thin dick compared to a short and thick dick as my theory 1 above is correct?!

I'm not talking about 100/0 length/girth training, my idea would be more to increase BPFSL as much as possible first and fill it up with girth training then. I would do some daily jelqing and erect stretches to fit the BPEL to the BPFSL length. Maybe some short pumping once a day, but mostly focusing on getting BPFSL gains. No long or too intense girth sessions.
What do you guys think about it based on my thoughts you just have read by now?

You have definitely done your research, and have generated your own theories. I applaud you, brother.

I seriously think you should take @DLD advice, and have this thread moved. I say this because all this cool info, and motivation will be lost to this section, buried for all eternity.

You are doing such a great job bro!

Blessings.....

TuffDong said:

You have definitely done your research, and have generated your own theories. I applaud you, brother.

Click to expand...

Thanks a lot Tuff! For sure normally it's often practice > theory but in the case with PE I really don't want to do mistakes which can cause injuries if I can prevent it by getting a lot knowledge about it and read around 12h a day since around Sunday in that forum.
On the other side I also really want to be as productive as I can, so the more I know and can put into practice, the better for me

TuffDong said:

I seriously think you should take @DLD advice, and have this thread moved. I say this because all this cool info, and motivation will be lost to this section, buried for all eternity.

Click to expand...

Well, if you're all thinking it would be better to move into another channel or sub, then I would be the last person who denies it, so let's move it then!
I will keep using this thread anyways as my thread in which I will mostly ask all questions I have, when I need your opinion or help and also to share some ideas which are flying through my mind permanently.

So @DLD you have my ready to move :D Maybe you could also change the title then to something like "F26 - Newbie Q&A" or something like that. Whatever comes to your mind.

Mummy vs Extender:
To the experienced people of you, do you think an Extender is much better compared to an intense wrap? Somehow I felt in love with wrapping bandages at the moment. It's the most comfortable way and as said, especially if you're out in public there is really not any problem with it. The only thing is that you should go to the toilet every 30-90min (time based on the intensity of your wrap), do some heli shakes to get blood in it again and warm it up for 30-60 seconds and rewrap it - that's it.
So especially for wearing it outside the house - this thing is nuts!
Do you think/know if an extender with a slight stretch is much better than a mummy/wrap?

I will try to wear the extender all the time at home beside training, will go up with the time every day a little bit until the goal is reached + also wearing it at night, because I've told you what happend to my dick when I wear the wrap when I had been fallen asleep for a few min.
Outside in public I really prefer the mummy/wrap right now. There are multiple advantages of it.

Mummy/Wrap: More comfortable, hidden in the pants - not as much noticeable like an extender, you don't need to have any equipment with you to put it on again, afterhaving a pee. Unwrap and wrap, that's it. It's more soft than a extender, because it's out of comfy textil.

Extender: You can get much more intensity because you can adjust the intensity, you don't have to take it off all 30-90min and can basically wear it as long as you want if you don't need to go to the toilet, because it won't get cold (at least from my experience so far). But it's not as much comfortable as a mummy/wrap and it's more noticeable under your pants.

But again, I don't try to get a very intense stretch over the whole day as it would be too much. In my manual off time I will try to have a slight but consistent stretch over multiple hours and would love to go nearly 18-24/7 here So what's your opinion about mummy/wrap outside in public and extender at home + wearing it at night?


Theory: Slowly raising the dick during the stretching workout better than a direct intense stretch?!
What I got so far from DLD is to prepare your tunica before the stretching sessions, start your sessions with some nice tunica stretches (bundled stretches) and then start your stretching workout. Everybody is talking that we really need to stretch on high intensity, mostly starting from the beginning. But I have the feeling that when I started stretching with a too much intensity right from the beginning, there's a resistance in my dick coming up what kinds of pulls it back to my body then. You especially feel it if you flex your pc muscle down there. Even if you don't flex your pc muscle, it automatically flexes when I stretch too much and it feels like my dick kind of puts that resistance up at that point.

However when I'm starting slowly and raise up the intensity of the stretch every few seconds a little bit, it seems like there is no resistance coming up during the raising process. For sure I feel a resistance, but from my feeling, this point is in a more extended state compared to the state I've written above, when I would stretch with much intensity from the beginning.

Did you also ever experience something like that?

You are getting your first taste of "tugback" it seems.



Bib has a theory, called the L.O.T. theory, Loss of Tugback. Here is the theory..

"The shorter, tighter or higher the ligs, the higher the angle required to lose ‘tugback’ when stretching the penis and kegaling at the same time.

The shorter, tighter, or higher the ligs, the more ‘inner’ penis, and the more quick, easy gains which are possible, and possibly the more total gains which are possible as the ligs are lengthened.

The longer, looser, or lower the ligs, the less ‘inner’ penis, and the harder the gains and possibly less total gains which are possible.

The longer time spent PEing, the lower the angle at which tugback is lost due to a lengthening of the ligs. This assumes PE is performed at lower angles, at least somewhat, by all subjects.

The less time spent PEing, the higher the angle at which tugback is lost because ligs have not been stretched.

For those with shorter, tighter, or higher ligs, a lengthening of the ligs correlates with a lowering of angle of tugback loss, and an increase in penis length."

It is your unit's instinct to tug back when being tugged on. It will become accustomed to it with practice. I still get it at very specific angles when stretching. Actually, recently I have been getting it with straight-out manual stretching. Just checked, and yup. Baby tug here and there. Not strong, but it's a kegel I cannot control. Could this be due to my routine? Am I unlocking more of something truly wonderful? The experts will need to chime in to help answer these questions.

Oh, and in that GIF, you are the guy on the left, while your pecker is the dude on the right.. LOL

I moved it to the newbie section under the name “F26 - Newbie Q&A”

Here we go brother!!!

Now, we need to create a device blueprint thread. Put all of our ideas there. We will brainstorm some EPIC things bro. ???

Thanks @TuffDong , will check that theory out !
In the near future we could definitely create a thread like this and also a DIY pe tools thread :D You inspired me a lot bro ?

DLD said:

I moved it to the newbie section under the name “F26 - Newbie Q&A”

Click to expand...

perfect, thank you @DLD

Today was a tough day, built my hanging construction to also stretch my dick upwards, thanks a lot to @TuffDong for the inspiration of it!
Upgraded my LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging hanging construction so that I can very easily go up/down with the weights during sets, takes only 2-3 seconds each weight is attached to a carabiner which I can connect to the carabiner of the Lengthmaster, pretty dope! I'm currently extremly excited for this journey and what's going to happen.
The other time of the day I spent reading more and more here, it just gets better day by day. So right now I'll think a little bit and then start to built my training routine over the day. The foundation of it will for sure be the SRT - Suppressed-Restricted-Transposition Theory Routine of @DLD

Testing the Tools - Day 2:
Bathmate Hydromax 7
It really can build up a lot of pressure, but right now I can't go to the maximum, it hurts. So I'm doing less pressure, so that it still feels comfortable.
Did another 5min, will slowly increasy that day by day!

Penimaster Pro
I really like the Belt System, should be good to go for daily action! Did wear it 2 sets of 1hour. As also written above, I'm going to slowly increase the time my ultimate goal is to wear the extender 18/7 (except manual training) so that my dick will heal in a stretched position. I would love to go 24/7 but I don't think I'm able to do this in the beginning because I really need some relaxing sleep.
Rod System is also great, you can build up an crazy strong pull.
The problem I experienced so far: The stronger you set up the pulling force, the more swollen the glans is. It's sad cause it would be pretty cool to use the rod system for heavy intense sessions and the rod system for light stretching, but for a very long time.

Lengthmaster
What a beast! You can do all kind of manual stretching with it, but with a very intense force - love it!
Beside that I use the bundle chamber for hanging. Need to find the correct technique for wrapping, but once it's done it feels pretty good.
Did first set 5min 2.5lbs and second set 5min 7.5lbs.

Mummy/Wrap with normal ACE bandage
I love it. Will try to either wear Penimaster or ACE bandage wrap as much as I can beside the workouts.

Manual Training:
Stretching
Did try to do a lot of different Stretches to get used to it beside using the Lengthmaster. Sometimes still having to fight against an upcoming erection, but it's already much better than in the beginning a few days ago where I always got an instant direction :D
Jelqing
Slowly increasing the EQ during the jelqing session, using oil for the slippery.


Thoughts so far:
Everything is going pretty well, I'll try to build a habit now and slowly increasing the intensity and duration of the exercises.
Finally everything arrived and I also build the hanging construction, so I'm completely set now and just have to put a lot of hustle in!
About the Bathmate Hydromax Extreme X40, Air Pump & Vitallus Plus:
I still have to think about it but right now I don't think I'll use them in my first few weeks as i'm still thinking about Length before Girth theories.


Current Questions:
1) How to wrap the most comfortable way for hanging with the Lengthmaster? Right now it's not a big problem but when I will increase more weight, I think it will hurt.
2) Bathmate - do you directly go to your maximum pressure or do you slowly pump it up over a few minutes?
3) Penimaster Pro/Vacuum Extender - how do you deal with the pressure on the glans during high intensity? Is it a problem if my glans gets swollen and some lymph in it?

Wrapping will vary somewhat between men. Trial and error, pretty much. There are good wrapping guides on the forum!

Second, with Bathmate it's best to follow Girth program (SRT 5x5x3) routine. First pump set you could do in low intensity and then add force as you progress to last pump set.

About PMP I can't say so much. Some have used tape around the urethra to lessen the swelling. Play with the pressure, as you're starting I think it's best to remain at low vacuum.
Remember that with pretty much any exercise you can add force later on; don't go for the highest strength from the get-go.

I'll let other Brothers chime in.

You and your fancy pants toys. I'm over at my thread with my ghetto builds. While I'm here though.......

On a serious note, awesome job man! I can't wait to see the routines you come up with. Keep at it brother. You will go far!!

Blessings...

arkailija said:

Wrapping will vary somewhat between men. Trial and error, pretty much. There are good wrapping guides on the forum!

Second, with Bathmate it's best to follow 5x5x3 routine. First pump set you could do in low intensity and then add force as you progress to last
pump set.

Click to expand...

Will definitely check 5x5x3 out
Yeah with wrapping, I think it's a skill thing. Getting used to it and trying to get better + reading some threads!

arkailija said:

About PMP I can't say so much. Some have used tape around the urethra to lessen the swelling. Play with the pressure, as you're starting I think it's best to remain at low vacuum.
Remember that with pretty much any exercise you can add force later on; don't go for the highest strength from the get-go.

Click to expand...

Sadly I need to use the vacuum 60-70% to get my glans into the glans chamber. Else it won't hold, the less the pressure of the vacuum = the less intense you can use it, else it slips out.

TuffDong said:

You and your fancy pants toys. I'm over at my thread with my ghetto builds. While I'm here though.......

On a serious note, awesome job man! I can't wait to see the routines you come up with. Keep at it brother. You will go far!!
Blessings...

Click to expand...

Haha common bro, you got me to the ideas of even doing it and we help us out in increasing our DIY things LOL

You are welcome