F26 - Newbie Q&A

Alright so I've started my Trainings Log now:
https://mattersofsize.com/topic/f26-grower-to-a-shower-create-a-flaccid-monster.1819779

All my questions, theories and ideas will still go into this Q&A thread.
Everything relevant about my training and progress will be in my trainings log.

I was assuming you were going to do that and that’s why I put it in the newbie section. I’m looking forward to creating progress thread.

To all the PE Vets here: Have you ever done something like Super Sets + 24/7 extender?
Caution: Definitely not for newbies or people who can't estimate how much they could go with their dick.

My thoughts currently are: What about super sets + wearing an extender/wrap afterwards as long as possible?
Getting the dick with manual stretching and Lengthmaster and maybe hanging to total fatigue. I'm talking here about very intense and long training sessions of stretching, not some usual training. Then directly put on all kind of regenerating creams and oils, do some massaging for relaxing of the cells and getting it warm and some bloodflow again for a better regeneration. Then directly put it into an extender/mummy which you only take off if you go to toilet or if your dick gets cold and you do some heli-shakes to get it warmed up again and then put it back into the extender/wrap. So the best way would be wearing it 24/7 except toilet and except manual training.

Shouldn't something like that bring the best possible gains? The dick will literally be forced to heal and regenerate in an extended state. For sure you need to be able to wear an extender/wrap for that amount of time and be a little experienced. But has anybody ever tried this over a long period of time like 1-3 months? The results should be crazy! There won't be any hour that the dick can actually turtle back, so after wouldn't that be a hardcore version to stop turtling back in just 1-3 months of time?
For sure this would demand a consistency only a few people could afford to the game. Also it will be super difficult because it takes lots of training that an extender doesn't slip off during sleeping or that we have a brutal determination and put it back on during sleep after having an erection in which we often take it off unconscious.

Additional:

• only healthy food - maybe even intermittent fasting for low glucose levels and maximum cell reproduction
• consuming regeneration supplements - for maximum cell reproduction
• meditating - for maximum relaxion of body and mind + killing all stress
• visualization - believe in that thing and have it in front of your eyes
• good and long deep sleep (Phase 4/Stage 4) - maximum regeneration process for body
• dick skincare - getting the maximum care to boost your cell regeneration
• less stress - best thing for reproduction processes

You don't think it's possible? Well, the body is a masterpiece and we still don't know the most of it. Especially if it comes to cells and smaller things and how everything is working with each other in a symbioses in a perfect way of vibrating and energy and so on.
There are some people who lose 50-60lbs or even more a month if they really dedicate themselves to fat-/weightloss. Sometimes it's easier for people to do 1-3 intense months instead of 1-3 years of dedication and sometimes it's also needed if they are in super unhealthy conditions and it's the only way to do so, else they will die due to overweight, blood levels and all.
Also it could build a huge boost in self-confidence in a very short amount of time which could have crazy impacts on their future lifes. During 'fasting' we're actually healing our body and the reproductions processes are way more up than usually (as far as I've researched). I'm talking about days or weeks not about forever.
This really would take a determination of insanity, but what would be possible?
How fast is the maximum level of cell regrowth/rebuilding/reproduction if we would focus on it and support it with all the ways we know?


@DLD have you ever thought about that or done this? Or do you know anyone in your 20+ years of PE who did this for some good amount of time?

Pumping for Length:

As we all know, the dick or generally tissue expands in a vacuum. Most people are using pumps for gaining girth, but is it also possible to gain length only while pumping? Most likely people buy a cylinder which is more wide than their penis, in order to gain girth obviously.
But what about getting a cylinder which has the same girth like your dick or is minimal more wide (that it's not too uncomfortable while having an erection).
Can the dick also expand 2-4cm in length while pumping when focused on it with a tight/fitting cylinder?
Who has experience with it and train like that for length? Would love to experiment with that in the future as I'll go length before girth.

Yes, this is what many true pump fanatics do, and why you see so many cylinder sizes in the MOS shop. Once you pack the tube, there is only one direction for expansion. This is pumping for length.

If you wish to focus more on girth, then a wider tube is needed. If you want to put the whole package in there (ouch), then they have even larger cylinders for that sort of routine.

@REDZULU2003 seems to be a very experienced person in this field. Let's see if he can chime in as well when he has a chance..

TuffDong said:

Yes, this is what many true pump fanatics do, and why you see so many cylinder sizes in the MOS shop. Once you pack the tube, there is only one direction for expansion. This is pumping for length.

If you wish to focus more on girth, then a wider tube is needed. If you want to put the whole package in there (ouch), then they have even larger cylinders for that sort of routine.

@REDZULU2003 seems to be a very experienced person in this field. Let's see if he can chime in as well when he has a chance..

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Exactly Tuff just wondering if there are/were some people who just did pumping for length and had been very successful?
And indeed, if @REDZULU2003 could also give his opinion and experience about it, that would be awesome!

Creating a habit with PE:
As PE takes quite a lot of time, we can compare it with professional sports. Being consistent and determined is one of the biggest factors here.
So how can I create a habit which not only will last for a few days or weeks, but for months? I can't tell you that as I haven't done it before and also just started, but I want to keep it as simple as possible. Right now in the beginning I'm reading a lot, taking notes, asking experienced pe vets about tricks and what would be the best based on their experiences of years. i'm bookmarking as much as I can so if I ever want to check for that topic, I have it in my bookmarks. So in the beginning it's necessary to understand the topic, especially that you're not getting injuries! It will take some time, maybe around 1-2 weeks of intense reading or around 3-4 weeks of a little daily reading.

But how should it be possible for the average person to put in 1-2hours of manual training every freaking day over months or maybe even years besides normal life? And that it also doesn't affect normal life too much.
Let's say you have another hobby beside PE, like most of us all have - maybe for example going to the gym which is something you would maybe do every day or at least 3-4 times a week with approx 60-90min each. Then cooking, normal life, family/friends and all the other things we do?!
It's tough! I guess as with most habits, lots of people will fail in their first few weeks.

So i've had some thoughts about it. Trying to integrate it as good as I can into my day.

Relaxing and laying on the couch and watching series/movies? --> stretching
Showering? --> Bathmate + brush your teeth in the shower
In front of your computer/noteboook at home and working on studies or just hanging out? --> hanging weights
All the other time home or if you have balls, even in public? --> wear an extender with belt system
All the other time --> kegels

so the only time we actually would need to 'actively' put time in would be for following exercises:

• jelqing
• all kind of erect exercises
• girth exercises
• advanced stretching methods (+lengthmaster exercises)

Make that thing a daily passive habit. So instead of 1-2 hours PE a day like very advanced people are doing here, you do this proactive every single day and just have to invest around 10-15minutes maybe with jelqing and the other things.
If you're becoming more experienced you maybe need to put in more time, but for beginners that really should be enough.
No matter what, if you really decide to do PE, this is duty for you.
Before you haven't done your pe training you're not going to sleep. Sleep 15-30min less if there really wouldn't be any way you could do training today.
You don't want to do it today? - Cool, do it anyways with above listed methods.
You are really annoyed by it? - Maybe look into buying some pe devices which you could use in a passive way aka. you wear them while doing other things.

This is my experience/idea so far, for the lazy average Joe who still tries to make the best out of PE with the very most less time investment.
For myself I've set 30min a day as duty right now. Everything more I'll take it. But I won't go to sleep before not having done at least 30min of training.

Grower to a Shower:

How many people have successfully made this transformation?
I'm not talking about 1"-2" here.
I'm thinking more about 2.5"-3"+ in flaccid length gain.
Do you know anybody who has done that already? Sadly I haven't found anything here about those kind of gains in flaccid length.
Maybe some have already achieved it but haven't posted about it. Also I'm interested if those gains had been permanent and not just for the time during training or the days after training. Feel free to tag those people or post the links about their log here ?
Would also be super interesting how their training routines have looked like.

It all started with Lazy Ass Stretches! Then came ACE and then came extenders and today it is SiliStretcher and Sleeves.

I definitely did. I never even let my ex see my niblit without me fluffing the lil bastard. I still carry that with me. Trying to break it, as it's all a mental issue.

Edit.... sometimes I would have like 1.5-2" of shriveled flaccid. Now, it fluctuates so much, it is hard to say what "true" flaccid really is. I can be rocking a 6" flaccid, or a 4". Weather plays a big factor.

TuffDong said:

I definitely did. I never even let my ex see my niblit without me fluffing the lil bastard. I still carry that with me. Trying to break it, as it's all a mental issue.

Edit.... sometimes I would have like 1.5-2" of shriveled flaccid. Now, it fluctuates so much, it is hard to say what "true" flaccid really is. I can be rocking a 6" flaccid, or a 4". Weather plays a big factor.

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Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall flaccid changes through them all!

And with MOS, there is a flaccid fashion for every season! Introducing........ ???

Well I really hope that I can double my flaccid length with the Super Set and Extender Theory I wrote above!
I just don't know how long it will take me. But if I can be really consistent and wearing my extender, no matter what, around 14-16h a day, damn brothers LOL
Additionally to that my manual training and it should be possible. What would you guys say?

@DLD has your flaccid length doubled or maybe even tripled since you've started PE?

You may not even get the answers at this stage, if you'd have been around say 18 years ago, you would be pioneering this stuff.

If ever you feel the need to try, go ahead and see how it goes, but take carefully accurate logs to look back on, and be safe.

REDZULU2003 said:

You may not even get the answers at this stage, if you'd have been around say 18 years ago, you would be pioneering this stuff.

If ever you feel the need to try, go ahead and see how it goes, but take carefully accurate logs to look back on, and be safe.

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There's always somebody LOL Lots of people using extenders, you can't tell me nobody of them tried to wear that thing 14-16h or even more hours daily for a couple weeks besides manual training.

The Super Set and Maximum Gains Theory, that's the other part but I'm mostly interested in the results of a high extender time currently.
As soon as I've some reports from others about this, I'll start digging in the other thing, but I just found out that @DLD, as crazy as he is, already tried something like that: https://mattersofsize.com/topic/srt-24-hour-workout-the-most-hardcore-workout-yet.65904/

Slowly increasion tension during Stretching and keeping it stretched afterwards:

As I've already written here https://mattersofsize.com/topic/f26-newbie-q-a.1819707/post-1861982 I had some more thoughts about it.
I won't have doubts that exactly that system will work 100% for maximum gains, but as I also often preach that time is one of the most valuable goods beside health, I've some ideas to make it more suitable for everyday use for us average people who just don't have the time to train manually multiple hours a day for a long time period.

Idea:
Using my Penimaster Rod System to increase pressure over time. As it has lots of different rod sizes with which you can exactly increase the steps by 0.2" (0,5cm) it should be possible to stretch my dick more and more over time.
I've experienced so far that when I use the rod expander my dick accustoms to the tension and the tension on the pulling force measurement on the spring shows me that it became less tension as it was when I've put it on.
I don't know if 0.2" (0,5cm) is too much length to increase the tension by each step but I will test it out today. If it really will work, it would be awesome to increase my BPFSL in a fast amount of time. But I also have to say I'm still not a pro with the Penimaster LOL still testing a little around which size really fits me best.

For a more accurate way I'm looking forward getting the Penimaster weight expander system of them. Would be more stealth and comfortable I guess + I could increase the steps by 0.22lbs (100g). In addition I think it will also be more beneficial for flaccid size increase as it pulls my dick down in an 180° angle, which isn't possible with the rod expander.

After the session of getting the most possible BPFSL and reaching the level of fatigue I would switch over to the belt system and set it to a slight comfortable stretch that my dick doesn't turtle back.

Other thoughts are that I could use them for different training sessions.
The rod expander is stretching the dick as the ring is pressed against the base, so it's more focused to stretch the penis on it's own.
The weight expander or generally hanging is more focused on pulling the dick out of the body if I'm right?!
So each of the system has it's own benefits but I think for slowly increasing the tension and also more beneficial for my goal of a massic flaccid dick, the weight expander system will be more beneficial. In addition I guess the weight expander system is more comfortable than the rod expander system.
Belt Expander system is awesome to stretch in any direction and I think it gives the most stealth while being in public, let's see how it goes, wish me luck LOL

F26 said:

Slowly increasion tension during Stretching and keeping it stretched afterwards:

As I've already written here https://mattersofsize.com/topic/f26-newbie-q-a.1819707/post-1861982 I had some more thoughts about it.
I won't have doubts that exactly that system will work 100% for maximum gains, but as I also often preach that time is one of the most valuable goods beside health, I've some ideas to make it more suitable for everyday use for us average people who just don't have the time to train manually multiple hours a day for a long time period.

Idea:
Using my Penimaster Rod System to increase pressure over time. As it has lots of different rod sizes with which you can exactly increase the steps by 0.2" (0,5cm) it should be possible to stretch my dick more and more over time.
I've experienced so far that when I use the rod expander my dick accustoms to the tension and the tension on the pulling force measurement on the spring shows me that it became less tension as it was when I've put it on.
I don't know if 0.2" (0,5cm) is too much length to increase the tension by each step but I will test it out today. If it really will work, it would be awesome to increase my BPFSL in a fast amount of time. But I also have to say I'm still not a pro with the Penimaster LOL still testing a little around which size really fits me best.

For a more accurate way I'm looking forward getting the Penimaster weight expander system of them. Would be more stealth and comfortable I guess + I could increase the steps by 0.22lbs (100g). In addition I think it will also be more beneficial for flaccid size increase as it pulls my dick down in an 180° angle, which isn't possible with the rod expander.

After the session of getting the most possible BPFSL and reaching the level of fatigue I would switch over to the belt system and set it to a slight comfortable stretch that my dick doesn't turtle back.

Other thoughts are that I could use them for different training sessions.
The rod expander is stretching the dick as the ring is pressed against the base, so it's more focused to stretch the penis on it's own.
The weight expander or generally hanging is more focused on pulling the dick out of the body if I'm right?!
So each of the system has it's own benefits but I think for slowly increasing the tension and also more beneficial for my goal of a massic flaccid dick, the weight expander system will be more beneficial. In addition I guess the weight expander system is more comfortable than the rod expander system.
Belt Expander system is awesome to stretch in any direction and I think it gives the most stealth while being in public, let's see how it goes, wish me luck LOL

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I see a lot of SRT methodology here, very impressive.

DLD said:

I see a lot of SRT methodology here, very impressive.

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Exactly! In my opinion this is one of the best ways to go and you are the pioneer in all of this in the PE world Haven't even though about that before reading your first SRT thoughts in 2011 in which you described everything exactly and searched for probands.

Mixing the training up a little and getting the best out of it. I think most of the people for get about that.
So instead of making 1/4" in total gains after a while, it may be possible to get 1/4" gains from stretching the dick and 1/4" from pulling the dick out of our body in the same amount of time.
My other thoughts are that the longer the BPFSL in general, the easier it is to gain more future BPFSL as results of stretching your dick (not pulling it out of the body), because we are stretching the tissue. And the more tissue there is, the more it can expand and the more cell-building happens at the same time (if the body is capable in doing so).

For example person 1 with 6" (15,2cm) BPFSL vs person 2 with 8" (20,3cm) BPFSL, both have the same FG:
The body of person 1 can only repair/fix the tissue and build new cells based on 6" length (BPFSL).
The body of person 2 can repair/fix the tissue and build new cells based on 8" length (BPFSL).
Now we would need to know how much cells the body can repair, build and reproduce in a specific amount of time. But as more volume of tissue was been damaged in body of person 2, it will also fix more and build more new cells based on that.

This only counts for stretching the outer and visible dick, not the length of the inner dick inside our body.
For pulling the dick out of the body, based on my thoughts it should exactly be the same gains for both of them (person 1 and person 2).
But I'm not 100% sure, because this is human anatomy and maybe some have more inner penis than the others. But we're clearly talking about pulling it out and not about stretching the inner penis.

Now we talk about girth:
As above example, person with more BPFSL should gain more (based of my thoughts).
Let's come to girth. This is exactly the same game, but more in detail now about the volume.
If we're focusing on girth training now, same dick, BPFSL = BPEL for this case.
Person 1: 6" (15,2cm) BPEL
Person 2: 8" (20,3cm) BPEL
For this case in comparison, let's say both have the same girth of 5" (12,8cm).



Volume Person 1: 180cm³
Volume Person 2: 247cm³

So the volume of person 2 is 37% bigger than the volume of person 1.
As we're doing girth exercises we're expanding our veins/arteries and our complete tissue of the volume of our dick, depending of the girth exercises (jelqing, clamping, pumping,...).
Same as in example above, more cells and tissue of person 2 will be damaged as he has more volume of dick. So person 2 should be able to gain more volume. Caution: I'm talking about volume, not girth.
As we don't know how long it takes the body to repair/reproduce/build (new) cells and tissue on certain areas and how fast it can repair/reproduce/built (new) cells and tissue, I can't say if person 2 with more BPEL than person 1 is gaining the same amount of girth in the same amount of time. However, if the body is able to do it in a very good speed, person 2 will have the same gains in girth as person 1 and with that he's gaining much more volume in the same amount of time.

Now we come to the theory which could confirm my thoughts about length before girth:
As I've written at my post here at the end (https://mattersofsize.com/topic/f26-newbie-q-a.1819707/post-1861522) I've the thoughts that more volume in tissue has more resistance and so we need more intensity in our stretching execises.
Example: Take a rubber band, one thing and one wide one, which one is easier to stretch?
In my opinion the only way to get a high intensity at certain levels will be hanging weights, as we have unlimited latitude with it. If your dick won't cause problems, you could go up to like 100lbs or even more. But you always should keep in mind that the more intensity you use, the higher the injury chance is.

Summary:
more BPFSL -> more possible BPFSL gains
more BPEL -> more possible EG gains
more girth -> need more intense exercises as it has more resistance in total
And that my friends is the reason why I'm believing in length before girth right now and will train like that