Wrapping and turtling

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First time posting on MoS - but first PEing about 15 yrs ago on and off with small gains. Now it’s time to take it seriously (finally have the opportunity) and am starting with the initial manual version of SRT. I’m probably not able to train with equipment (including a BathMate I already have) for a few months still though.

I’ve started wrapping, but some meds I’m on cause really severe turtling when they kick in that can last a few hours or all day (also making it difficult to tell if the body is pushing back on training). When this happens the glans will either succeed in shrinking back into the wrap, or rub on the wrap as it tries to, causing irritation and pain (especially when sitting down).

Has anyone come up against this before and found something that works? Main objective seems to be keeping the glans from rubbing on the wrap…

Thanks!
 
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Welcome to the brotherhood brother.

JakeThePeg said:
First time posting on MoS - but first PEing about 15 yrs ago on and off with small gains. Now it’s time to take it seriously (finally have the opportunity) and am starting with the initial manual version of SRT. I’m probably not able to train with equipment (including a BathMate I already have) for a few months still though.
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This makes you a veteran all together. Good to see you go onto the PE journey again. It is a life long journey. You keep coming back.

Do you mind tell us your existing equipment with the model so we can wrap around your end point for future reference?

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I’ve started wrapping, but some meds I’m on cause really severe turtling when they kick in that can last a few hours or all day (also making it difficult to tell if the body is pushing back on training). When this happens the glans will either succeed in shrinking back into the wrap, or rub on the wrap as it tries to, causing irritation and pain (especially when sitting down).
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Okay. This is critical. If you don't mind sharing your meds and ailments needs. This allows us to visualize the proper and effective path for you. Meds can truly screw up PE due to the body imbalances.

There is a way to force it, gently of course, to remain flaccid. By the way, are you circumcised or uncircumcised. This is a create a comfort method for you.

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Has anyone come up against this before and found something that works? Main objective seems to be keeping the glans from rubbing on the wrap…
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We have come a long way. Let us know the info above and we'll assist to the best that we can.
 
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oldandlively said:
Do you mind tell us your existing equipment with the model so we can wrap around your end point for future reference?
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I have a HydroMax 7 (x30?) WideBoy which is it currently, other than consumables (wrap bandages etc).

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Okay. This is critical. If you don't mind sharing your meds and ailments needs. This allows us to visualize the proper and effective path for you. Meds can truly screw up PE due to the body imbalances.
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The most severe culprit is Vyvanse which I think causes significant vasoconstriction for me, but I’ve been a significant grower all my life, and things like coffee can also trigger it (even before I was put on the meds), so I may just be more susceptible to it.

oldandlively said:
There is a way to force it, gently of course, to remain flaccid. By the way, are you circumcised or uncircumcised. This is a create a comfort method for you.
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Circumcised.

Thank you brother.
 
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I have a HydroMax 7 (x30?) WideBoy which is it currently, other than consumables (wrap bandages etc).
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Got it. X30 normally don't come with the hand pump and you can get that on the side. But if that came with a hand pump, that ris HydroXtreme.

If it does come with the hand pump, do think about modding it with a gauge.

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The most severe culprit is Vyvanse which I think causes significant vasoconstriction for me, but I’ve been a significant grower all my life, and things like coffee can also trigger it (even before I was put on the meds), so I may just be more susceptible to it.
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Got it. It's base ingredient is lisdexamfetamine. Yeah, my wife has some oddball cases of distraction too, and she calms herself down with doses of caffeine at work all day. I think she spend as much on Amazon as she spends on her Starbucks. Not sure why it doesn't hype her up more than it calms her down instead. Brain burn out? Her brain activities are already at max level every moment of the day, even in her sleep.

Now, lisdexamfetamine does cause your blood pressure to fluctuate. Caffeine does it too in high level. Lisdexamfetamine does it regardless of the dosage level. It's adding rocket fuel to your system, and you know your system is not meant to use rocket fuel. It meant to only use regular fuel with a bit of higher octane.

The moment your heart races, blood pressure goes out of control. But when the heart rate and blood pressure drops, your body mounts and immediate defense to collect all the blood to the major organs to protect the drop of blood flow. Your penis, being the last on the priority list, gets the major shrinkage as the blood is pulled out from non-essential parts. The only way to force the blood to remain there is to use restrictive wrapping at 80% during shrinkage, and keep the penis at least 70% elongated, but warm.

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Circumcised.
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For circumcised penis, you can use a traction layer at the base of the glans, or even 3/4 way from the base of the penis for comfort reason. The traction layer is a band of TheraBand or medical gauge use for dressing. I prefer the TheraBand or its substitute for better comforts and heat retention.
 
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oldandlively said:
Got it. X30 normally don't come with the hand pump and you can get that on the side. But if that came with a hand pump, that ris HydroXtreme.
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Definitely no hand pump, so just a HydroMax. Combined with SSJs, will that be OK for a goal of +1 girth?

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Not sure why it doesn't hype her up more than it calms her down instead. Brain burn out? Her brain activities are already at max level every moment of the day, even in her sleep.
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Regulation. The “right” amount of dopamine the brain needs is at the top of a bell curve, and typically this is what most people have. When people think a stimulant hypes them up, they’re being pushed over to the high side of the bell curve, but for people who need the medication, it’s pushing them from the low side of the curve to the optimal middle.

Vyvanse is also a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and norepinephrine (in part being a vasoconstrictor) is how the body’s response you described (of blood being diverted from non-essential places) happens. So with me it’s like the fire sprinklers going off in a building, without a fire or even a fire alarm. I don’t notice changes to BP or heart rate when this is happening.

oldandlively said:
The only way to force the blood to remain there is to use restrictive wrapping at 80% during shrinkage, and keep the penis at least 70% elongated, but warm.
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Would it be better to use restrictive wrapping to try and keep blood there (and does that risk issues like clotting), or just focus on keeping it elongated and ride out the constriction until it passes?

oldandlively said:
For circumcised penis, you can use a traction layer at the base of the glans, or even 3/4 way from the base of the penis for comfort reason. The traction layer is a band of THERABAND or medical gauge use for dressing. I prefer the TheraBand or its substitute for better comforts and heat retention.
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Theraband may certainly help… but may take me a while to get some.

I had a thought today that cotton wool balls under the bandage at the top where it touches the glans may address the irritation and pain. Any issues you can think of where that would be an issue - at least until either Theraband or Silisleeves become an option?

And of course, will I slip out of a sleeve during one of these episodes?
 
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JakeThePeg said:
Definitely no hand pump, so just a HydroMax. Combined with SSJs, will that be OK for a goal of +1 girth?
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Yes, you still can. We have to play by ears on this one since you can't mod it without the aftermarket hand pump for that specific unit. Let me know when you're ready for that routine approach.

JakeThePeg said:
Regulation. The “right” amount of dopamine the brain needs is at the top of a bell curve, and typically this is what most people have. When people think a stimulant hypes them up, they’re being pushed over to the high side of the bell curve, but for people who need the medication, it’s pushing them from the low side of the curve to the optimal middle.

Vyvanse is also a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and norepinephrine (in part being a vasoconstrictor) is how the body’s response you described (of blood being diverted from non-essential places) happens. So with me it’s like the fire sprinklers going off in a building, without a fire or even a fire alarm. I don’t notice changes to BP or heart rate when this is happening.
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The unnoticeable BP and heart rate during this period is interesting if they don't change, but alarming if they do.

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Would it be better to use restrictive wrapping to try and keep blood there (and does that risk issues like clotting), or just focus on keeping it elongated and ride out the constriction until it passes?
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There is always a chance for blood clotting, be 0.1% to 100%. Each of our bodies is different in many ways, and responses differently under circumstances. This is why we limit all restrictive activities to 10 minutes or less, and recommended at 5 minutes for extra safety measure. Once that safety margin is reach, we urge the brother to empty the blood volume from the penis and cycle in a new one, even though the blood is still flowing in and out.

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Theraband may certainly help… but may take me a while to get some.
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Yep. All of us have to get used to it. Either the soft-smooth and protective layer, or rough and protective layer of weaved cotton-polyester layer.

JakeThePeg said:
I had a thought today that cotton wool balls under the bandage at the top where it touches the glans may address the irritation and pain. Any issues you can think of where that would be an issue - at least until either Theraband or Silisleeves become an option?
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A layer of rayon, silk, or even smooth polyester liner right under the glans before the wrap at the base of the glans, with a small overlapping layer over the coronal ridge (the rim of hte glans) before wrapping. You can also expand your glans just a bit to create an enlargement terminal point so the wrapping doesn't slide over the ridge. But do be careful when you pull too hard as the pressure can build up quite significantly at the terminal point, possibly causing a blister.

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And of course, will I slip out of a sleeve during one of these episodes?
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If you use the sleeve alone, definitely, I can guarantee you 100%. This is why we use a combo of a band around the base of the glans before using a loose sleeve or wrap. It's to prevent the glans from sliding right under the sleeve or the wrap. The band around the base of the glans doesn't need to be tight. As long as it can create a traction hold right below the glans and friction bulk to prevent the sliding inside the sleeve or wrap, your glans cannot and will not slide in.
 
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Yes, you still can. We have to play by ears on this one since you can't mod it without the aftermarket hand pump for that specific unit. Let me know when you're ready for that routine approach.
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Thank you - will do!

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The unnoticeable BP and heart rate during this period is interesting if they don't change, but alarming if they do.
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I used my wife’s BP monitor when several of these constriction/turtling events happened to see if BP changed, but the reading was normal.

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If you use the sleeve alone, definitely, I can guarantee you 100%. This is why we use a combo of a band around the base of the glans before using a loose sleeve or wrap. It's to prevent the glans from sliding right under the sleeve or the wrap. The band around the base of the glans doesn't need to be tight. As long as it can create a traction hold right below the glans and friction bulk to prevent the sliding inside the sleeve or wrap, your glans cannot and will not slide in.
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It’s really sounding like Theraband is the best option here as I haven’t had much success trying other things so far. I have some on the way - hopefully not too long before it arrives.

Thanks very much for your help!
 
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JakeThePeg said:
I used my wife’s BP monitor when several of these constriction/turtling events happened to see if BP changed, but the reading was normal.
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Got it. You got some strong ticker in your chest. If that's so, let's refocus on the vasoconstrictor effects around the pelvic region. Since you're using your wife's BP monitor, I have a suspicion you also have a skin surface temperature scanner?
  • When you see the extreme turtling, try to feel the amount of temperature change between the surface of the fat pad around the base of hte penis, the penis shaft, and around the groin.
  • Monitor your temperature around the temples.
  • Monitor for the sweating/moisture event around the groin and the face. This is a cautionary observation.

JakeThePeg said:
It’s really sounding like Theraband is the best option here as I haven’t had much success trying other things so far. I have some on the way - hopefully not too long before it arrives.
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Once you get it, let us know. We'll work with you to make it work at optimal level.
 
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Thank you - will do!


I used my wife’s BP monitor when several of these constriction/turtling events happened to see if BP changed, but the reading was normal.


It’s really sounding like Theraband is the best option here as I haven’t had much success trying other things so far. I have some on the way - hopefully not too long before it arrives.

Thanks very much for your help!
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Sometimes for some people ace bandage is the best way forward. I only used ace bandage and always made comfortable and consistent gains
 
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Got it. You got some strong ticker in your chest. If that's so, let's refocus on the vasoconstrictor effects around the pelvic region. Since you're using your wife's BP monitor, I have a suspicion you also have a skin surface temperature scanner?
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It’s not just the pelvic region when this happens btw… and very much feels like the finger can be pointed to the medication as a side effect.
Unfortunately I don’t have a temp scanner.

oldandlively said:
  • When you see the extreme turtling, try to feel the amount of temperature change between the surface of the fat pad around the base of hte penis, the penis shaft, and around the groin.
  • Monitor your temperature around the temples.
  • Monitor for the sweating/moisture event around the groin and the face. This is a cautionary observation.
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No temp changes noticed when this happens, but this might just be a uniform temp change across the body so I’m not picking up the difference between regions. No sweating etc, like when the body has a pain response or fever etc.

Goose bumps on arms and legs can occur when this happens too.

oldandlively said:
Once you get it, let us know. We'll work with you to make it work at optimal level.
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Will do - thank you brother!
 
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Sometimes for some people ace bandage is the best way forward. I only used ace bandage and always made comfortable and consistent gains
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Thank you - that’s promising to hear! Hopefully Theraband and bandages will solve the elongation problem, and an LM3 when I can get it (hand stretches in the meantime) will let me get to +1.5 length, and BathMate/SSJs will hopefully let me achieve +1 girth.
 
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No temp changes noticed when this happens, but this might just be a uniform temp change across the body so I’m not picking up the difference between regions. No sweating etc, like when the body has a pain response or fever etc.
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Got it.

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Goose bumps on arms and legs can occur when this happens too.
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Goose bumps is a great indicator for thermal fluctuation. When the thermo-flux occurs, the body detects thermal anomoly and causes goose bumps. But we want that surface temperature for a good baseline for when it doesn't and when it does occur. This will give us a good method of work around.
 
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Goose bumps is a great indicator for thermal fluctuation. When the thermo-flux occurs, the body detects thermal anomoly and causes goose bumps. But we want that surface temperature for a good baseline for when it doesn't and when it does occur. This will give us a good method of work around.
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Yes it is, and my understanding is that the way the body does that is with the norepinephrine->epinephrine release to cause the vasoconstriction. Think jumping into cold water. In my case it’s not just in response to cold, it’s that the norepinephrine is being artificially increased by the medication. Response occurring without a normal trigger (earlier sprinkler analogy).

I’d expect to see temperature likely dropping a bit as a direct result of less blood being at the surface due to the vasoconstriction, rather than the vasoconstriction resulting from a temp drop.
 
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Yes it is, and my understanding is that the way the body does that is with the norepinephrine->epinephrine release to cause the vasoconstriction. Think jumping into cold water. In my case it’s not just in response to cold, it’s that the norepinephrine is being artificially increased by the medication. Response occurring without a normal trigger (earlier sprinkler analogy).

I’d expect to see temperature likely dropping a bit as a direct result of less blood being at the surface due to the vasoconstriction, rather than the vasoconstriction resulting from a temp drop.
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Correct. The reason for the temperature monitoring is to see the difference of thermal fluctuation when the blood is being pulled away from the surface and extremeties. This helps with the approach on how best to mirror core temperature while providing thermal insulation for the blood volume that can be siphoned away from the inner extremeties. By knowing the difference of the changing value, we can provide the proper amount of insulation to the wrap to mirror the same insulation needs done by skeletal muscles and fat artificially. Another approach is to excite the system to release heat voluntarily through a non-descriptive dilation using a natural counter-vasodilation (although it's a vasodilation) that doesn't effect ADHD. An example is a combination of cumin-turmeric and ginger, or cinnamon and ginger, or straight up capsacin. Lisdexamfetamine dimesylate hasn't build up a full list of interactions yet, so, this is a touch-and-go scenario.
 
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The reason for the temperature monitoring is to see the difference of thermal fluctuation when the blood is being pulled away from the surface and extremeties. This helps with the approach on how best to mirror core temperature while providing thermal insulation for the blood volume that can be siphoned away from the inner extremeties. By knowing the difference of the changing value, we can provide the proper amount of insulation to the wrap to mirror the same insulation needs done by skeletal muscles and fat artificially.
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Ahh ok. Given both FL and FG decrease by ~2-3” (!!) when this is happening, there probably is some, but I don’t think I’ve noticed it being too different to normal.

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Another approach is to excite the system to release heat voluntarily through a non-descriptive dilation using a natural counter-vasodilation (although it's a vasodilation) that doesn't affect ADHD. An example is a combination of cumin-turmeric and ginger, or cinnamon and ginger, or straight up capsacin. Lisdexamfetamine dimesylate hasn't build up a full list of interactions yet, so, this is a touch-and-go scenario.
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Currently working on some approaches now to try and counter the vasoconstriction. Anything that doesn’t inhibit 2D6 should be ok to try…
 
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Ahh ok. Given both FL and FG decrease by ~2-3” (!!) when this is happening, there probably is some, but I don’t think I’ve noticed it being too different to normal.
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In the world of medical and sciences, any little info counts. It's like solving a hidden problem with a candle light vs a UV + adjustable 6.5k light with a mounted microscope.

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Currently working on some approaches now to try and counter the vasoconstriction. Anything that doesn’t inhibit 2D6 should be ok to try…
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Let me know what you find that doesn't inhibit you as well. I'll ask my colleagues for any possibilities that work by their own patients.
 
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In the world of medical and sciences, any little info counts. It's like solving a hidden problem with a candle light vs a UV + adjustable 6.5k light with a mounted microscope.
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I checked earlier today when this happened just by touch, and it didn’t feel like it dropped temperature at all. Still quite warm - warmer than I was expecting.

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Let me know what you find that doesn't inhibit you as well. I'll ask my colleagues for any possibilities that work by their own patients.
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Will do - and thank you, that you be great.

Theraband should arrive in a few days… it might be a while before I can get an LM3 - any suggestions on how I can stretch without hands cramping until then?
 
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I checked earlier today when this happened just by touch, and it didn’t feel like it dropped temperature at all. Still quite warm - warmer than I was expecting.
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Interesting. Was your bladder full when you felt the heat?

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Theraband should arrive in a few days… it might be a while before I can get an LM3 - any suggestions on how I can stretch without hands cramping until then?
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This is why the LM3 was made. We were cramping back then too. You wouldn't believe what we did back then to prevent our arms and hands from cramping up. We use copper tubes, wooden sticks like broomsticks, and some of us use pipe clamps to mount them onto the straight bars just to get some elevation on the cramps. If you are crafty, use 1/2in PVC to create a flex bend in the middle of the two pipes using a heat gun. You can do the same for a 1/4in thick dowels method as well. Lots of tricks with a bit of work.
 
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Interesting. Was your bladder full when you felt the heat?
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No it wasn’t. It’s weird to describe but for a period of time it just shrinks the flaccid size without any other apparent effects…

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This is why the LM3 was made. We were cramping back then too. You wouldn't believe what we did back then to prevent our arms and hands from cramping up. We use copper tubes, wooden sticks like broomsticks, and some of us use pipe clamps to mount them onto the straight bars just to get some elevation on the cramps. If you are crafty, use 1/2in PVC to create a flex bend in the middle of the two pipes using a heat gun. You can do the same for a 1/4in thick dowels method as well. Lots of tricks with a bit of work.
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I can imagine! I might see what I can do with dowels, but I can see that being frustrating long term so really want to get the LM3 as soon as I can. But that might help in the meantime.
 
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No it wasn’t. It’s weird to describe but for a period of time it just shrinks the flaccid size without any other apparent effects…
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I might suspect certain conditions that mirror this, but just out of curiosity, observe two things for us:

1. Observe the shrinkage rate on the next few rounds. See if the flaccid is completely shrunken to the point there the penile shaft may be withdrawing into the body, or the flaccid remains hanging with still some good softness/subtleness to the tissues. Try to do you best to observe and time from erectile state to flaccid state when it occurs, or when flaccid to withdrawal state into the body.

2. Secondary to this is the offset of reduction. For example, see if the shrinkage is fast on the left, right, top side, or reduction of the glans. If the penis has a faster shrinkage on the left, the penis will pull leftward, same for the right, the top (curving up) or even down. If the glans shrinks faster than the penile shaft, there's a different indicator of a unique venous leakage.
 
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Observe the shrinkage rate on the next few rounds. See if the flaccid is completely shrunken to the point there the penile shaft may be withdrawing into the body, or the flaccid remains hanging with still some good softness/subtleness to the tissues. Try to do you best to observe and time from erectile state to flaccid state when it occurs, or when flaccid to withdrawal state into the body.
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Yes - this happens. It essentially packs itself quite densely and there isn’t any normal flaccid flexibility when this occurs. If I have an erection while this is happening, it will return to the densely packed state fairly quickly (maybe a minute), but to be clear, this doesn’t happen after every erection of course.

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Secondary to this is the offset of reduction. For example, see if the shrinkage is fast on the left, right, top side, or reduction of the glans. If the penis has a faster shrinkage on the left, the penis will pull leftward, same for the right, the top (curving up) or even down. If the glans shrinks faster than the penile shaft, there's a different indicator of a unique venous leakage.
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The reduction is uniform - no specific side, and I don’t believe there’s any leakage. When this happens I can also feel other parts of my body tense up also.
 
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Yes - this happens. It essentially packs itself quite densely and there isn’t any normal flaccid flexibility when this occurs. If I have an erection while this is happening, it will return to the densely packed state fairly quickly (maybe a minute), but to be clear, this doesn’t happen after every erection of course.
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Got it. How's the episodes of shrinkage since the start of the medication? Less? More? Sporadic? More intense?

You probably already answer these kind of questions to the doctors already, but as the shrinkage occurs, is there or was there any stressful trigger/event before the issue? You mentioned it just happened out of the blue, but try to do your best to see if there were any emotional trigger, stress trigger, or even intake trigger. An example is tryptophan. It may be common for most, but for some, it can trigger unique violent combination. Or nightshade family plants. Most don't have any issue with the phyto-compounds, but a good mix of herbs and medication, a sudden vaso-centric reaction. This can also be said for cortisol level in combo with the meds as well.

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The reduction is uniform - no specific side, and I don’t believe there’s any leakage. When this happens I can also feel other parts of my body tense up also.
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Got it. Let's just assume the penile condition is nominal and we'll address based on sudden vaso-dilation conditions. Let's systematically break them apart and see what we can find. Keep reporting in what you observed as odd and common behavior between your body and the meds.
 
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No it wasn’t. It’s weird to describe but for a period of time it just shrinks the flaccid size without any other apparent effects…


I can imagine! I might see what I can do with dowels, but I can see that being frustrating long term so really want to get the LM3 as soon as I can. But that might help
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Get the lengthmaster and simply add a straight bar simply by screwing in to the topside of lengthmaster
 
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Got it. How's the episodes of shrinkage since the start of the medication? Less? More? Sporadic? More intense?
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About the same really.. if I take a break from the medication (eg over the weekend) then it doesn’t happen on those days.

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You probably already answer these kind of questions to the doctors already, but as the shrinkage occurs, is there or was there any stressful trigger/event before the issue? You mentioned it just happened out of the blue, but try to do your best to see if there were any emotional trigger, stress trigger, or even intake trigger. An example is tryptophan. It may be common for most, but for some, it can trigger unique violent combination. Or nightshade family plants. Most don't have any issue with the phyto-compounds, but a good mix of herbs and medication, a sudden vaso-centric reaction. This can also be said for cortisol level in combo with the meds as well.
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The primary trigger is nothing other than the medication kicking in at about the +2 hr mark. Even if not having breakfast etc. Stress can definitely also play a part (eg later in the day when it’s subsided but then something stressful happens). Coffee in the morning before it kicks in also seems to trigger it to a certain extent, but not as bad as when the medication kicks in.

Also forgot to mention… Theraband arrived today.
 
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About the same really.. if I take a break from the medication (eg over the weekend) then it doesn’t happen on those days.


The primary trigger is nothing other than the medication kicking in at about the +2 hr mark. Even if not having breakfast etc. Stress can definitely also play a part (eg later in the day when it’s subsided but then something stressful happens). Coffee in the morning before it kicks in also seems to trigger it to a certain extent, but not as bad as when the medication kicks in.

Also forgot to mention… Theraband arrived today.
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Got it. Let's approach with all this info in mind. Theraband is here, so, let's start playing. Practice a little to get used to wrapping the TheraBand around the penis comfortably. It can be folded in half, into third, or into quarter. The thicker, the greater comforts.
 
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Quick question out of trying it.. is there a max time the Theraband should be on for? Eg any breathing issues?
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As DLD said, around 30 to 60 minutes if you're using it in a double and triple layering. It's due to the heat and moisture generation. I use single and double and tend to wear it past 3 hours, but it can get quite sweaty. If I use it for the SiliStretcher, I add a layer of magnesium carbonate to keep things a bit drier. If I use for the Length Master, I have to rewrap every 5 to 10 minutes away, so it's not a problem. I normally complete my routine around 30 to 50 minutes mark (this is with a bit of resting time in between), so there are time I don't even take it off.
 
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Thanks both @DLD and @oldandlively.

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As DLD said, around 30 to 60 minutes if you're using it in a double and triple layering. It's due to the heat and moisture generation. I use single and double and tend to wear it past 3 hours, but it can get quite sweaty.
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I’m looking at using it for all day wrapping. Sounds like if I rewrap every few hours (which I’ll likely need to do anyway) it should be ok for a single or double, right?

I’m still trying to work out the best way to wrap to stop the glans slipping back inside when it shrinks due to the medication. The Theraband definitely helps here but there’s still some retreating. Should I wrap tighter so there’s more chance of the base of the glans being caught and stopped, even though this will keep most blood out? Any other ideas?
 
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JakeThePeg said:
Thanks both @DLD and @oldandlively.


I’m looking at using it for all day wrapping. Sounds like if I rewrap every few hours (which I’ll likely need to do anyway) it should be ok for a single or double, right?

I’m still trying to work out the best way to wrap to stop the glans slipping back inside when it shrinks due to the medication. The Theraband definitely helps here but there’s still some retreating. Should I wrap tighter so there’s more chance of the base of the glans being caught and stopped, even though this will keep most blood out? Any other ideas?
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You are welcome my brother!
 
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JakeThePeg said:
Thanks both @DLD and @oldandlively.


I’m looking at using it for all day wrapping. Sounds like if I rewrap every few hours (which I’ll likely need to do anyway) it should be ok for a single or double, right?
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Ever consider a sleeve? As long as you don't prevent it from sliding inside the wrap or sleeve, you can wear it all day long. The sleeve will allow blood flow without having to worry about adjustment. The only thing is, the sleeve should be slightly loose, but the terminal end must have traction. I wrap my base of the glans with TheraBand for that traction point. I wear my sleeve all day without adjustments.

JakeThePeg said:
I’m still trying to work out the best way to wrap to stop the glans slipping back inside when it shrinks due to the medication. The Theraband definitely helps here but there’s still some retreating. Should I wrap tighter so there’s more chance of the base of the glans being caught and stopped, even though this will keep most blood out? Any other ideas?
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Tighter is not better. It will work against you. Looseness for the body is good. Traction at the base of the glans is critical to prevent the shrinkage from pulling the penis through the sleeve or wrap. Let me know if you need photos or diagrams on this method of approach. I can do the same for wraps.

Of course, this will be a few days from now. Can't show off my penis to the household of family members during Thanksgiving. Hahahahahahaha.
 
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Ever consider a sleeve? As long as you don't prevent it from sliding inside the wrap or sleeve, you can wear it all day long. The sleeve will allow blood flow without having to worry about adjustment. The only thing is, the sleeve should be slightly loose, but the terminal end must have traction. I wrap my base of the glans with TheraBand for that traction point. I wear my sleeve all day without adjustments.
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I did consider a sleeve, but am worried I’ll get some and the glans will slip inside. I’m hoping to order a LM3 soon and will hopefully take advantage of the SiliSleeve offer.

oldandlively said:
Tighter is not better. It will work against you. Looseness for the body is good. Traction at the base of the glans is critical to prevent the shrinkage from pulling the penis through the sleeve or wrap. Let me know if you need photos or diagrams on this method of approach. I can do the same for wraps.
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That’s what I thought… but seeing as I lose (not kidding) 1-2” of flaccid girth when the medication hits, I was trying to figure out how to address it.

Yes please - some photos or diagrams on how to gain that traction at the base of the glans would be very helpful.

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Of course, this will be a few days from now. Can't show off my penis to the household of family members during Thanksgiving. Hahahahahahaha.
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“Please excuse me from the table… one of my brothers needs me!” Lol!

Have a great Thanksgiving!
 
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Still having difficulty with maintaining traction when wrapping. Hopefully will be able to sort this out soon as it seems a large amount of the stretch gains rely on preventing turtling.
 
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Still having difficulty with maintaining traction when wrapping. Hopefully will be able to sort this out soon as it seems a large amount of the stretch gains rely on preventing turtling.
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Yep. 70% of the true gains is actually the prolong of length during healing. It's not the pumping or lengthening routines alone. It's not about do it once and forget about it.
 
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The TL;DR of earlier in the thread is that I get pretty bad turtling from medication/coffee (~ 2” drop in FG when either hits) and glans slips inside the wrap. Theraband seems to me to be the best chance to address this but I’ve been having trouble working out something effective and it sounded like @oldandlively had a good strategy I was interested in so I could focus on making that work for me.
 
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The TL;DR of earlier in the thread is that I get pretty bad turtling from medication/coffee (~ 2” drop in FG when either hits) and glans slips inside the wrap. Theraband seems to me to be the best chance to address this but I’ve been having trouble working out something effective and it sounded like @oldandlively had a good strategy I was interested in so I could focus on making that work for me.
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Sorry brother, was in various meetings with the team. I'll get rolling with a few photo sessions tonight. Hope wife can help out with the playtime photography.

The trick is simply to wrap the TheraBand at the base of the glans. Not too tight and not too lose. After that, simply roll on the sleeve or wrap using flexible tape. That's it. The bigger trick is to roll enough of the TheraBand to make a "bulk" at the base of the glans. That's what hold the entire penis in place. Think of a water line with a flare at the end to join two connectors.
 
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Sorry brother, was in various meetings with the team. I'll get rolling with a few photo sessions tonight. Hope wife can help out with the playtime photography.
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Not a problem at all brother. I’m just grateful you’re happy to help!

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The trick is simply to wrap the TheraBand at the base of the glans. Not too tight and not too lose. After that, simply roll on the sleeve or wrap using flexible tape. That's it. The bigger trick is to roll enough of the TheraBand to make a "bulk" at the base of the glans. That's what hold the entire penis in place. Think of a water line with a flare at the end to join two connectors.
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The first part I’ve tried a few times but the way I’m doing it isn’t sufficient. I’ve tried variations of the second part but they’re also not quite right. Hoping to see what works for you and seeing if I can make that work also.
 
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