dude,, most people on this forum would have probably used em.....like on their dirty old [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] abused nuts lol... i would try for a brand new one but if not you can buy my rings ill only sell them to you for 250.. Come on look at the competition 269.99 or a flat 250 .. come on you save 19.99. LOL but seriously go for new!