What comes after death?

[Deuce187]

I notice that there are a lot of people who post in the forums that have different opinions and beliefs. I'm curious as to what YOU expect after you die. Do you believe in a spiritual world or an "after life"? Not necessarily Heaven or Hell either.

I myself,dont exaxtly know.I do know that something happens with our souls.....as far as though i don know...I am also gonna state that I dont really belive any one bible...I do belive there is a god ,jesus n all that,I am not a atheist,I just belive that all the bibles seem to have some major flaws in them...I was also windering wich bible you guys seem to think carrys the most truth?

Well iam curious to what eevryone has to say.

 

[prince Albert]

Nothing happens,you die rot thats it.

 

[More Meat]

Nothing happens,you die rot thats it.

My sediments exactly. Depressing to some, but its just natural to me.

 

[Pandora]

Ask somebody that is old, Old people seem to have the most faith i would like to believe there is something after death.

 

[scmeltzer]

your body gets eaten by bugs and you become earth.

 

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deuce were you the one to im me this morning

 

[prince Albert]

Ask somebody that is old, Old people seem to have the most faith i would like to believe there is something after death.

The reason gods have existed throughout time is because humans can comprehend there own mortality and that scares us,the older one gets the moreso.

Believing in an afterlife gives people the strength to deal with death and those left behind take comfort knowing there loved ones are not really rotting in the ground but safe and happy in a beautiful paradise looking down waiting for the day they will be reunited.

 

[TomdW]

I don't think that anyone can say with any authority what happens to you when you die.

It is impossible to know but it's fun to try to work it out though. Personally the most likely occurance would be our consciousness rejoining the intrinsic consciousness of the universe. In other words our consciousness that we expeience noe is simply a reflection of the conscious state of the universe.

The main misunderstanding of what we really are appears when people attach their consciousness to themselves and believe that it is an aspect of them that is independant of everything else. In my opinion doing this is very much like thinking that the time that we experience is independant of any time experienced by other beings. As we can see time is a communal phenomenon as is the entirety of the space/time continuum. So consciousness is just another reflection of reality that is shown through us. It is an aspect or dimension of reality just as the 3 dimensions of space are and the dimension of time is. Our minds are simply reflecting this as a mirror reflects light.

But then again, I might be wrong but I can't wait to find out (or not). lol

 

[Pandora]

The reason gods have existed throughout time is because humans can comprehend there own mortality and that scares us,the older one gets the moreso.

Believing in an afterlife gives people the strength to deal with death and those left behind take comfort knowing there loved ones are not really rotting in the ground but safe and happy in a beautiful paradise looking down waiting for the day they will be reunited.

Yes maybe so but you can not deny the fact that there may in fact be a paradise an after life reincarnation maybe we in fact get reborn in this world to form another generation you ever think its weird how you will learn something and feel like you all ready knew this maybe this is a sign of a past life.

 

[prince Albert]

Yes maybe so but you can not deny the fact that there may in fact be a paradise an after life reincarnation maybe we in fact get reborn in this world to form another generation you ever think its weird how you will learn something and feel like you all ready knew this maybe this is a sign of a past life.

Well yes i can deny it Pan as its a man made idea.

 

[Pandora]

Well yes i can deny it Pan as its a man made idea.

Yeah but you can not prove that you are right or i am wrong prince.

 

[Juggers]

I believe we go to heaven or hell when we die.

 

[More Meat]

Yeah but you can not prove that you are right or i am wrong prince.

Just because you cant prove something wrong doesnt mean that its a good argument.. Its like saying that all the planets that we cant see because theyre too far away are made of ice cream- thats just what I believe... You cant prove its not true, but its most certainly not.. bad example i know, but im hungry..

Your gonna end up worm food, deal with it

 

[Kal-el]

Nothing happens,you die rot thats it.

My thoughts exactly. On which bible I like, I don't think you should have placed the word "truth" in the same sentence as "bible." But if you are talking about which bible I prefer reading, I'd have to go with the NIV.

 

[TomdW]

Well yes i can deny it Pan as its a man made idea.

Well isn't every idea that we, as the human race, have ever had a man made one?

Are you getting your ideas straight from a UFO or something? lol

Sorry couldn't resist, no disrespect. I kind of get where you are coming from though about some people believing strange and illogical things on account of it coming from a higher power. To count this out we must have a very good and detailed understanding of who and what we are as human beings. A scientific approach a few decades ago would have been extremely reductionist and said that what we are is 4 dimensional matter and that's it. But now we know, through quantum mechanics, that we are in fact members of a much more complicated reality than previously understood. String theory predicts the existence of 13 + dimensions existing here and now.

Traditional mysticism has been aware of a transcendental aspect to our being that scientists ignored up until the discovery of string theory. I used to believe that when we die that's it and everything stops but since I have studied physics, mysticism, philosphy, etc, over the past few years I have become aware what I believe to be a much clearer view of who and what we are through the application of logic and reasoning. Many logical thinkers debunk religion on the grounds of being illogical in many ways. I agree with this. For instance having faith in God is unbelievably illogical. I think the best, and possibly the only way to form an opinion on whether God exists is through experience. The flawed reasoning behind it for many is that our reasoning skills as humans are inadequate in terms of understanding things and therefore we should simply blindly follow what some 'higher realized' text tells us. The pretty obvious problem with this is that anyone that comes to this conclusion has used their reasoning skills to get them there. There is no other way to come to any conclusion. And if their reasoning skills are flawed then they are totally wrong in their reasoning that their reasoning is flawed. In other, hopefully more simple, words they use their reasoning to decide that their reasoning is flawed. lol

I believe that the only way to really get it in terms of God is through experience. Without going off the deep end here too much by talking about the evolution of consciousness, we should at the very least be open to whatever may be. Closing off our minds (and I mean that neurogolically) is a barrier to higher realization. The more of our brain that is functioning at any time the more of a full cross section of reality we experience. We must understand that our bodies are not us, they are just a metaphorical mirror
of reality or a material manifestation of us. It would take me so long to explain any tiny little aspect of my opinions on this so I'll sumerise. The reason that I will not explain in full is that without certain experiences it would be impossible to understand through words (and I don't want to get started about linguistics and how they effect our understanding of reality).

Basically I believe that we are everything. The barriers that we put around ourselves are nothing but self created conceptual differentiations. Just as we continue to exist in the dimensions of matter and time when we die, * so do we in terms of consciousness. The only difference is that we would not ourselves in the deluded terms by which we define ourselves now.

* In terms of chemicals, etc. Our physical self can never cease to exist it can only be transformed from one thing to another. The same seems to be true of every aspect of ourselves including our consciousness. We simply rejoin the universe in a less defined way. In other words the only thing that changes is the way in which we define ourselves.

 

[penguinsfan]

I believe in Heaven and Hell but, like anyone, I cannot say for sure, as evidenced by the fact that I am still here typing this post.

 

[Kal-el]

* In terms of chemicals, etc. Our physical self can never cease to exist it can only be transformed from one thing to another. The same seems to be true of every aspect of ourselves including our consciousness. We simply rejoin the universe in a less defined way. In other words the only thing that changes is the way in which we define ourselves.

I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.

 

[Pandora]

Just because you cant prove something wrong doesnt mean that its a good argument.. Its like saying that all the planets that we cant see because theyre too far away are made of ice cream- thats just what I believe... You cant prove its not true, but its most certainly not.. bad example i know, but im hungry..

Your gonna end up worm food, deal with it

What you going on about your not making sense and it is a good argument and none of us will know this until we are dead and even then we can't report back.

I will not accept that when i die that, that is it you can't get rid of me i will never die i will all ways live on one way or the other.

And your making it seem stupid when death is a serious matter.

 

[TomdW]

I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.

Good, I'm glad that you agree with me on this. In a material sense we will never be truely dead. Can you also agree with me that we will continue to live on in time, if only in a material sense?

Hopefully you can. Then following this can you agree with me that the general pattern of existence is not of begining and end but of transformation and of cause and effect?

An example of this is energy transfer of any kind i.e. potential gravitational energy into kinetic energy.

I would make this concept a bit broader in order to include natural cycles by labeling the general nature of the universe to be that of cause and effect. I.e. you move something and it moves. This is now broad enough to include natural cycles such as day and night, wake and sleep, cycles of sun spots (magnetic fields), breathing in and out, male and female, positive and negative polarities, etc.

What this is all leading to an attempt to comunicate something very profound. I am sure that we all agree that we should choose what seems to be the most likely belief. I think it is logical to base any conclusions on evidence in the world around us. In my lifetime I have never seen nothing come from something or something come from nothing. I therefore believe it to be a logical impossibility. And since there is something here, be it at least the concept of us, there could logically never have been nothing.

Finally, can you agree with me that it would appear that even the conscious aspects of ourselves will not cease entirely when we die but are more likely to just change? The same as our physical manifestation does. The cause and effect nature of the universe is apparent within every realm of reality.

It is important for any vague understanding of this to see consciousness as a physical thing. Again logic can help here. Have you ever seen a thought? Not the physical representation of a thought but actually seen a thought? Can you put your consciousness in a box? Not your physical brain but you actual consciousness. It is impossible and that is because consciousness, although closely related and intertwined with physical matter, is not a physical object.

I don't believe that any aspect of us truely ceases when we die, it merely changes. That is not to say that we will die and then be able to think 'Oh no, I'm dead.' because the consciousness that we are used to as us will no longer be so. It will return to the intrinsic, boundaryless consciousness of reality. Bit deep there.

 

[TomdW]

I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.

Oh, also, I very much like what you said here: 'losing all of it's unique properties.'

That has put something into words that I have been feeling. Let me just define it a bit. Losing all of the unique qualities that we use to define us as who we are.

In other words each part of us be it material, conscious, etc, changes into that which we do not define as ourselves. That is a very important point I think because it shows that although no part of us ceases to be, they are still not constructed in a way that we would define as us. So in a sense we do cease to be but only in the configuration that we are accustomed to.