Wake up America???

I'm posting this article that I found, and I thought it was very interesting and the source I got it from is a Christian organization, and it seems that the author, Chuck Baldwin, really has his informational ducks in a row. He defitely understands what he is talking about, and I think we as the Body of Christ need to take off our blinders and take a close look to what is really going on. I am included in that as well. Here is the article:

The Bush Betrayal By Chuck Baldwin The Covenant News ~ September 9, 2004

In a recent article, former Georgia Republican Congressman, Bob Barr, wrote, "Has America been betrayed by President George W. Bush? In his most recent book, The Bush Betrayal, James Bovard poses and then answers this question with a resounding 'yes.'"

In his column, Barr also correctly writes, "[W]hich recent president's term in office was characterized by support for the so-called assault weapon ban, a huge increase in deficit spending, bigger budgets for virtually every domestic program, including Americorps and the National Endowment for the Arts, and signing into law a massive increase in federal government regulation of political speech, whose administration would you suspect they were describing? That of Democrat Bill Clinton? Nope. [We're] talking about the first term of Republican President George W. Bush."

Mr. Barr is absolutely right! When it comes to Bush's first term in office, never has so much been overlooked by so many!

Millions of Christians and conservatives continue to labor under the obviously erroneous belief that G.W. Bush is a conservative, that there is some huge difference between his policies and those of his Democratic rival, John Kerry. However, the facts do not bear this out.

As Bob Barr also wrote in his column, "The fact is, the records of these two presidents, Democrat Bill Clinton and Republican George W. Bush, are much more alike than either man would likely feel comfortable admitting." Again, Mr. Barr is 100% accurate.

On most matters of substance, there is hardly any difference in the policies of President G.W. Bush and Bill Clinton or John Kerry. Consider:

*Both Bush and Kerry support "civil unions" for homosexuals.

*Both Bush and Kerry support extending the Clinton Gun Ban.

*Both Bush and Kerry support expanding the size and scope of the federal government. Bush has actually outspent every Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson.

*Both Bush and Kerry support NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and the FTAA.

*Neither Bush nor Kerry has any intentions of making abortion-on-demand illegal.

And while we are on the subject of abortion, President G.W. Bush signed legislation in 2002 that increased funding for International Family Planning to the tune of $480.5 million making this Republican-led administration the biggest supporter of international baby butchery in U.S. history. That is not to mention the millions of dollars that Bush has approved for America's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

Recently, many "pro-lifers" heaped voluminous praise upon Mr. Bush when he decided to withhold a miniscule (by comparison) $34 million in federal funds from UNFPA (a UN abortion agency in China). What these ignorant (or deluded) "pro-lifers" failed to notice was that Bush redirected that $34 million to USAID Child Survival Health Program Fund. This fund includes money for "forecasting, purchasing, and supplying contraceptive commodities and other materials necessary for reproductive health programs."

In other words, all President Bush did was play the old shell game by taking $34 million from one pro-abortion agency and giving it to another pro-abortion agency. As American Life League President Judy Brown said, "These 'contraceptive commodities' are nothing but abortion-inducing chemicals that kill the very children that the fund claims to help."

*Both Bush and Kerry supported the removal of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore for upholding his oath of office to acknowledge God by resisting an unlawful order by federal judge Myron Thompson to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery.

*Both Bush and Kerry are strong supporters of the United Nations.

In fact, when President G.W. Bush addressed the UN last year, he said the reason he ordered U.S. troops to invade Iraq was for the purpose of supporting "the peace and credibility of the United Nations."

*Both Bush and Kerry support granting illegal aliens amnesty.

*Both Bush and Kerry support a "one China" policy.

*Both Bush and Kerry support "outsourcing" American jobs overseas.

*Both Bush and Kerry support the creation of a federal police state with the creation and expansion of the Patriot Acts and the Department of Homeland Security.

The list could go on almost without end.

James Bovard and Bob Barr are correct: America has been betrayed by President George W. Bush! Mr. Bush has proved himself unfaithful to virtually every precept of conservative, constitutional principles. As such, a John Kerry presidency would be no worse. In fact, it might even be better as conservatives would suddenly have their blinders removed and might actually start acting like conservatives again.

Of course, the best alternative would be to elect a true constitutional conservative as President. And the only such candidate for this year's election who meets that criteria is Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party. It is for the above reasons and more that I was happy to accept Michael's invitation to be his Vice Presidential running mate.

If you choose to vote for G.W. Bush, go ahead, but please don't delude yourself into thinking that by doing so you are voting for something dramatically different from that of the Democratic candidate, because you aren't. You are merely voting to continue the failed and fallacious policies of the liberal establisHydromaxent which controls both major parties.
 
penguinsfan said:
My early thoughts are Kausion and I could spend days upon days talking about this shit.

I agree I could talk about this stuff till the bitter end and still the majority would say Im crazy. Once it becomes obvious what is going on, thats when you won't have a choice because it's too late.

I said time and time again that it wouldn't matter who you voted for as they are one in the same. They are merely puppets belonging to people with high power that believe true power comes from behind the scene. Out of the 5 major electronic voting machines companies they have people inserted in the top positions. Also for those who have voted using these ES&S machines, was there any record of your voting? When you control the vote machines you control the votes.

Of course they support the Federal police state and gun control. They won't be able to pull this off unless they take away your guns. Or you wake up. They both have to support the UN because in order for the one world government to come into action the UN has to be there. The patriot act falls into this category as well because if you aren't blind and you are on to what is really going on then you are a terrorist. This act allows them to make any actions done to "terrorists" legal. Patriot act 2 is quite disturbing. If you can find it somewhere I suggest you read through parts of it. If it is actually passed then that will be some scary shit. Of course it can't get passed if people wake up and speak against it.

They both support the WTO. The WTO was behind the riots in Seattle. Legitimate protestors to the WTO were making the Gov't uneasy. They then had approximately 30 people inserted to act like protestors (Anarchist protestors). Those Anarchists started destroying the city and the legitimate protestors started getting scared because they knew what was going on. Of course the police did nothing as the Anarchists smashed windows, spray painted cars, lit things on fire, even assualted cops and they did nothing. It was only after all of the Anarchists were removed when the police were allowed to get involved. By this time the cops were furious and many legitimate protestors were beat up and sent to FEMA camps. This was to give the Gov't a taste of what a police state would really be like. I have the videos, I've seen the incident from start to finish. I really hope people wake up and see what is going on.
 
I truly wish that we as Americans could open our eyes collectively, not just a selest few. I am really starting to feel like I live in a shell, just like the matrix. Everything is not what it seems, and I'm not even a paranoid person. This is very disturbing to me. Kausion please hook me up with some of your info sources, I want to devour this stuff and speak out against it. At the same time what's even more interesting is how some of these sites I've read come off as being paranoid and really strange, but the site I linked to for this post is quite level headed and is saying almost the exact same thing, just without the paranoid over tone.
 
Dude, if you listen to Bob Barr, you're no better off than those who listen to Michael Moore. If you really believe there was no difference in the policies of Bush and Kerry, you need to go back and recheck your facts. Some of the "facts" listed in you post are not true. Yes, most presidential candidates have similar ideas on a lot of things, that's why the separation comes from knowing the little things.

For example, the assault weapons ban: Yes Bush said he supported extending it. This was a "politically correct" campaign promise. Did you see him lift a finger to get it extended? NO. That's because he didn't really support it; he said that so he wouldn't alienate centrists who thought it was good legislation. What would Kerry have done? He would have put public pressure on Congress to pass the extension.

Man, look beyond the crap you read. There is a huge difference in campaign rhetoric and what policies are actually promoted.
 
true, I whole heartedly agree with you, but if you look at the site I linked to it's written by a conservative minister who has no reason to sland either candidate. He's simply presenting facts that are available to the american public. That's why I posted it here, simply because it is the only information I've found that did not have a slant to it, and was simply presenting information. His stance is simply we have to pay attention to what is going on, all of the things that are going on with our government are happening right under our noses. Texan can you defend the Patriot Act, and have you read exerpts from the Patriot Act 2??? If you have read it then you can see that this is not a passive for the people government. They are seeking control, and they have control over the greatest medium, TV. Everything we see is "filtered" so to control the masses. It may seem strange, but I actually feel as though this is correct no matter what they say or do, or how it may look, there is a truth that we must seek out. It looks too innocent, and yet if you read the Patriot Acts, they open the door to much more sinister things. Just check it out, and I'm interested to know what you think.
 
Once your freedoms are gone (ie Patriot Act), how do you ever get them back?
Isnt it easier to pass a law than to get it reversed?
I think the police style state will become more mainstream with each passing year.
 
Millionman- As for the Patriot act, I expressed my thoughts on that in another thread. Basically, It is not good, but many parts of it have sunset provisions which make it expire automatically. Thus you have Patriot 2, which is not going to be passed as you see it. It met with so much resistence in Congress, that for awhile, you couldn't hardly find a readable full copy anywhere (even the net). I'm glad you linked this because I want to check it out. In short, I think the Patriot Act served a good purpose, but it is flawed. There are so many things going on in our governemnt that are wrong- I will not argue that with anyone. My point is that while Bush is far from perfect, there were significant differences in his and Kerry's policies. Bush and Kerry did not have the same stance on gay union/marriage, they were miles apart on abortion, they had different opinions on to handle the outsourcing of jobs, etc.
 
badbal said:
Once your freedoms are gone (ie Patriot Act), how do you ever get them back?
Isnt it easier to pass a law than to get it reversed?
I think the police style state will become more mainstream with each passing year.

You are scratching the surface of what I have been talking about all along.

One your freedoms are gone, you don't get them back. People will give up their freedoms for security (Illusion of security). One they give up their freedoms they are slaves.

It is becoming more mainstream because the American people truly believe they are under attack by terrorists. Day by day they are conditioned to believe this. Once things get quiet up pops something to scare them back into suBathmateission. Won't be long until a big alert strikes and it is announced that the only way to truly be secure is to have the Police and Military combine and guard the streets.
 
millionman said:
Hey texan, here's the link to Chuck Baldwin's articles on many more topics involving this administration: http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwinfile.htm

There is a lot to read here, and I'm just getting into it, but... what the hell does legalizing illegal aliens have to do with social issues like abortion and gays? Legalizing illegal aliens is not a "religious" issue. Next, what does it matter if the AG is pro-life or pro-choice (and I honestly haven't looked into this independently)? Now if Bush appoints pro-choice justices to the Supreme Court-- well that's a different story, but the AG prosecutes law breakers, he doesn't set abortion policy.

OK, after reading through some of that guy's stuff, I have to say- he's a scary extremist. I'm a Christian, and I believe we are headed for the end time, but some of the stuff he is saying seems to be just for flaming purposes. He rags on Bush for stuff that will not be popular with Christian conservatives, but have no bearing on true Christianity. I mean come on- Is it really more Christian to arrest and deport illegal immigrants because they want to raise their children in America, than to give them amnesty? What if Jesus had decided not to give amnesty to the gentiles? You and I would be screwed. I'm not going to waste any more of my time reading that guys blathering.

Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you Millionman, he's just Benny Hinn with a political spin.
 
I agree with some of it though. I'm not sure what is has to do with anything other than it's application to taxes and health care. I'm not real sure about what Baldwin is writing either, that's part of why I posted it, I'm still a young guy trying to figure things out, truth from falacy. So I am seeking out information from as many different sources as possible. I noticed that Baldwin was the running mate of Peroutka in the consitution party, which is a very right wing organization. So yeah it definitely is very slanted one way, but he does present information from other sources accurately and does not put any personal spin on it, I could be wrong but I attempted to read with a mind on who it was coming from. Ohh, and no offense taken Tex, you're my elder, and also my brother in Christ. I appreciate your views, but at the same time I think there are so many Americans who seem to bury their heads in the sand, and Kausion makes a valid point about fear, it is used to manipulate the masses. If we're so scared that something will happen we will accept any "protection" that is offered. There is a good bit of truth in that idea, and it seems like it will become a reality.
 
I think America has to give illegal immigrants amnesty, Tax money baby!

Oh and one thing I liked(being sarcastic) when all the security shit was going down in the states & canada after 9/11. Bills were being passed left and right, The government infrastructure bloated, Freedoms were cut in half. It was so surreal it was like out of a movie.
 
badbal said:
I think America has to give illegal immigrants amnesty, Tax money baby!

Oh and one thing I liked(being sarcastic) when all the security shit was going down in the states & canada after 9/11. Bills were being passed left and right, The government infrastructure bloated, Freedoms were cut in half. It was so surreal it was like out of a movie.

Call me Snake!!!

:biggun:
 
That's why I call 'em "Republicrats".
Welcome to the 4th Reich............

Sound like a long train of abuses and usurpations to me..... Anyone remember something called the "Declaration of Independence"? It might do y'all some good to have a long hard look at it.
Remember what old George Bush Sr. said, on 9/11/90, at UN HQ in NYC.....
"Out of these troubled times a New World Order can arise"
Coincidence???
Hmmm....
 
nordic_rage said:
That's why I call 'em "Republicrats".
Welcome to the 4th Reich............

Sound like a long train of abuses and usurpations to me..... Anyone remember something called the "Declaration of Independence"? It might do y'all some good to have a long hard look at it.
Remember what old George Bush Sr. said, on 9/11/90, at UN HQ in NYC.....
"Out of these troubled times a New World Order can arise"
Coincidence???
Hmmm....

Glad to see someone else knows about the New age of order. It's coming soon unless people finally wake up and start doing something about it. Most people probably know something isn't right but don't think that anyone could be that evil. The truth is always stranger than fiction.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion/terrorist threat], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
 
Ahhh, the Bilderberger group, what a lovely bunch of elitist bastards.
People need to understand that fundamentally, the Dems. and Republicans are the same. We have a one party system in this country but we remain oblivious to that fact. They oppose each other on minuscule but emotionally charged issues and that's enough to keep the Amerikan Sheeple distracted from what is really happening. Remember, the Democrats and Republicans were at one time united under banner of the Democratic Republic party! They systematically destroyed all opposing parties and then split into the 2 separate parties we have today. They are both pushing the same Global Totalitarian agenda. Can you say "SEIG HEIL"?
IMHO it's too late....
For those who are awake, Keep your beans and powder dry!
 
I agree with you to some extent. At the same time I think there are those who like to doom and gloom everything, and to spin it in a end of all freedom situation. I have noticed that around 90% of the population just kind of wander through life without a "care" in the world. It seems as though most people only want what they want, meaning they don't care what affects you and me, only them. With that selfish attitude as I heard when I went home this weekend, they didn't want to hear about it cause they are happy in their own little world. My concern is not how to fix it, cause the Word will be fulfilled in God's time either way. I serve those around me to the best of my ability and I am attempting to educate the few people I know, but most don't seem to care or have placed any thought into it.
 
I guess you are right with what you say. When you only have choice on the personal level but not so much as a whole and the majority are selfish, no wonder why things are the way they are and still noone knows. Many probably have a feeling but would rather ignore it as it doesn't effect their personal well being.

Information is Power
Ignorance is Bliss

When it boils down to it, those are a person's real choices.
 
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