The Worst President In History?

[Super]

Worst president in history?
(The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor.)


Please forward to all on your list so as to put things in perspective.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war.
They complain about his mismanagement of it.
One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.


Let's clear up one point:

President Bush didn't start the war on terror.

Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.


OK, let's look at the "worst" president nominees and "mismanagement"claims.

FDR led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us, Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,
an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and he did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
Over 2,900 lives were lost on 9/11.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us,
President Bush has
liberated two countries,
rushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida,
put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran, and North Korea
without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist
who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

We have lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.

Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history?

Sure doesn't appear to be Bush!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq
than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our military is GREAT!

 

[Dario]

Yeah, I've seen this posted somewhere before. It holds valid points.

 

[Xenoseal]

Bush did start a bullshit war in Iraq though. And he had the chance to off Bin Laden more then once, snipers had him in their sights, and they were ordered to -not- take the shot.

He's also an idiot beyond reason...

And this is comming from someone who will work for him soon. (Military) And is a register republican.

 

[Super]

Bush did start a bullshit war in Iraq though. And he had the chance to off Bin Laden more then once, snipers had him in their sights, and they were ordered to -not- take the shot.

He's also an idiot beyond reason...

And this is comming from someone who will work for him soon. (Military) And is a register republican.

Let's clear up one point:

President Bush didn't start the war on terror.

Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

So we are supposed to let them attack us without fighting back? Did yuou read the whole post? All true

 

[jGman]

Bush did start a bullshit war in Iraq though. And he had the chance to off Bin Laden more then once, snipers had him in their sights, and they were ordered to -not- take the shot.

He's also an idiot beyond reason...

And this is comming from someone who will work for him soon. (Military) And is a register republican.

If you're going into the military, you best get your act together. This 'idiot' as you say, is not only your President, but will soon be your Commander in Chief. What that means is, as far as your chain of command goes, he will be at the top.

You may not like him, share his same views, but you better respect him.

 

[Texan]

I don't agree that we started the war in Iraq. That was a fire that was smouldering for years. Regardless of whether Iraq participated in the events of 9/11, nobody can argue that Hussein was a loose cannon that wanted nothing more than to take down the U.S. (sound like anybody else we know of?)- even the other Arab nations feared what he might do. We know for a fact that Iraq plotted to assassinate fromer President Bush...if they would have succeeded would that have qualified as starting the war? And if so, why should we wait around for them to succeed? If someone says "I'm gonna kill you, just wait til I get my gun loaded" are you going to sit and watch them load their gun and wait for them to shoot you in the head before you consider the fight started? That's not diplomacy...that's stupidity. Perhaps President Clinton should have "started a war" with al-Qaida/Afghanistan after any one of the several terrorist attacks that took place on his watch? Maybe 3000 civilians wouldn't have died in NY. The Left is quick to talk shit about Bush and the war in Iraq, but do they ever stop to think how many lives he may have saved by hitting Iraq first instead of sitting around waiting for them to get their gun loaded and shoot first?

Yes, we have lost lives in Iraq, but everyone of those soldiers died protecting our ass. They died for their country..for our way of life...protecting us from a very real threat. Everytime a liberal says this war is BS they are not only ridiculing the President, but undermining the noble death of our servicemen by insinuating that they died for a lesser cause. Shame on them for doing so for the sake of a moments political gain.

Even if Iraq had no role in 9/11, Hussein saw that huge damage could be inflicted on us with or without WMDs. This man killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens...do you really think he would have not done the same to us given half a chance. Sure we could have sat and waited for them to strike the first blow...and then the Democrats up on the Hill would be wanting to know why Bush didn't stop it. It's pathetic.

 

[Super]

You know whats funny, the people dissing the war are not even in the military and for that matter over there. Oh wait I forgot...John Kerry, the guy who skated out of NAM to go home and do Anit war protesting while his comrads were dying in NAM. Yea vote for him, what a winner.

I will be going TO Iraq in January. And going to the l phillipians nextr month, dont know If I will come back, dont care, just care about defending America and those who are in need. How do you think it makes the dead Marines Familys feel that there son died for people that did not appritiate what he is doing, How does it make the Marines that are over there feel when the so called "Americans" dont support them and vote against the 87 Billion Dollars to Support our Troops.

If America Is so bad then you go Move to Iraq and see how much you like it. WE got these american Actors, that go and stay with Fidel Castro Telling him they support what he is doing. Then why dont they move down there? Hypocrates and snakes.

Just remember the more you dont support our troops the less hope that it gives them and there familys? You really think the troops need to know that the people dont support them and there commander and cheif? Of coarse not.

Sadam Killed more than 300,000-500,000 of his own people and that is just what we can count. Thats not murder, thats genocide and will not be tolerated. Why are we in Iraq? To free the Iraq's and stop future murders of there own people and attacks on surrounding country's and to ensure American Security against Terrorist attacks. If you dont support our troops then I dont see how you can call yourself an American, the military is the only reason Why you are here? still? Move. I wish we could deport all these people like John Kerry and Tim Robbins and Sean Penn to Cuba, see how many freedoms they get

the USA is the longest standing Democarcy of all time becasue of our military

God Bless The Marines

 

[Super]

On another note. Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have WMD's. there are thousands of ammo dumps that we have not even found yet.

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have anything to do with 9/11

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have anything to do with Terrorists camps and Al Queda and Taliban

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have intestion to attack surrounding counties

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think we are over there for a cheaper Dollar on the Oil.

 

[Girthius]

I think his done OK, considering the situation! Whether you like it or not, we are engaged with the enemies of freedom! I don't like war either, but I be dam, if I will set back and let freedom be taken from me, and those to come, and last but not least, all those soldiers that have made the ultimate sacrifice, I shall never forget!If my time comes to make a stand, you can guarantee I will go out with both guns blazing!! Freedom is worth it!!Oh yow, I'm a Texan by the way! United we stand and freedom lives on----- Divided we go back to the Dark ages!

 

[Super]

99% of the people that bash bush and the Military are the ones that dont have it in them to do it, and dont have a loved on over there, cause if they did, they would support him and everything and do whatever it took to insure his security, IE voting and supporting the person who gives his son the most security. Do you really think that there are people that sayd Fuck Bush and the Military when there own loved ones are over there? No why? Cause the person that is over belives in what he is doing with all his heart, and that person's loved one loves him becasue of who he or she is. That would be like shooting there own loved one in the head before he even weht.

you think that the familys send there son hate mail on how much they despise and hate what he is doing? you think that if ther son dies they will not go to the funeral casue they didnt beilive in it. Come on, they support everything he is doing

The only People that do no support this is the Pussy's that just dont give a fuck about anyone else and dont care cause they dont have anyone over there and just want to hate to hate. And only care about themselves,

why was Clinton President? He made this country look horrible, refused to take down Bin Laden, Gave away nuclear secrets, downsaided the military ,over 100 people died within close proximity to clintons reign of power and nothing was looked at, whitewater, monica lewinski, jennifer flowers, a president that gets head while supposidly being the commader in cheif

John Kerry got three small cuts and applied for 3 purple hearts, knowing that getting 3 hearts in 6 months get you out of combat, came home and did anit war protesting while his buddies were dying. Cares nothing about the troops and will desrtoy the military worse than clinton.

People say we should not have nuclean weapons, well what the hell are we gonna do when someone shoots one at us? WTF... The reason why we have them is so that does not happen. And people want to get rid of them. What blasphemy. What is the matter with these people?

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Mummels on about nachos and dipsauce...

Nah, really i dont know what to say. I dont think Bush acted right on that Iraq mission. He were really convinced Saddam really had Weapons of Massdestruction.
Many countries finds that it was a to drastic move, so many soldiers lost on both sides. Even civilians, had to put their life for no good deed.

But hey, im just me and nobody else, cant controll people. If we could then we would have 6 million jewish people more in the world and A.Hitler. would have had been destroyed from the beginning.

 

[crazyed27]

Yes fuck Bush and his actions! He is only trying to finish what his daddy started. I would never join the Military. Why because I'm not fixing to go to another country and fight for my life because a few rich jerks in power positions thinks its necesary. Iraq will NEVER be a democracy, NEVER. How in the hell is a country 227 years ols going to tell a country 2000 years old how to live there lives. That is the problem with my European brothers, they think there way is the superior way. Tere is plenty of other ways to beef up homeland security, other than going to war. Too much american money going to waste, too many innocent lives taken, too many family members morning. And a lying idoit calling the shots.

 

[crazyed27]

On another note. Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have WMD's. there are thousands of ammo dumps that we have not even found yet.

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have anything to do with 9/11

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have anything to do with Terrorists camps and Al Queda and Taliban

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think that Saddam Did not have intestion to attack surrounding counties

Its ignorant and stupid for people to think we are over there for a cheaper Dollar on the Oil.

BUSH IS A KILLER TOO!

 

[stiff4ever4u]

BUSH IS A KILLER TOO!

Oh really? He was the jury of peers that sentenced the people to death? Just because he did not order a stay of execution makes him a murderer?

 

[Texan]

Crazyed, I respect your opinion and I enjoy your posts here, but I disagree with you on this. If I come up to you and say I'm gonna shoot you, just wait til I get my gun loaded, what are you going to do? Compare beefing up national security to a kevlar vest- Are you going to run off and get a kevlar vest and hope I shoot you where you're covered? Cuz you can't cover everything with kevlar. I'm willing to bet you're gonna knock my teeth out before I shoot you, because you strike me as a man who can be a badass when the time calls for it. The way I see it, that little scenario is just like what happened with Iraq. We had to do this to protect our nation from a real threat. Waiting for the other guy to strike first, esp. when he's already told you it's coming is fool's roulette. You mentioned all the innocent civilian casualties... we will never know how many people were saved by our preemptive strike on Iraq.

 

[Texan]

Regardless of how anyone feels about Bush, Republicans, and the Right in general, I don't see how anyone can argue against our actions in Iraq.

 

[Super]

BUSH IS A KILLER TOO!

But did he kill 300,000-500,000 of his own people that were inoocent and were killed just cause he stood up against him. No way man

Texas is not hte only state to have capital punisHydromaxent man, yet you blame it all on bush. If somone came into your house and killed your family, would you not want capital punisHydromaxent for them?

 

[Super]

Yes fuck Bush and his actions! He is only trying to finish what his daddy started. I would never join the Military. Why because I'm not fixing to go to another country and fight for my life because a few rich jerks in power positions thinks its necesary. Iraq will NEVER be a democracy, NEVER. How in the hell is a country 227 years ols going to tell a country 2000 years old how to live there lives. That is the problem with my European brothers, they think there way is the superior way. Tere is plenty of other ways to beef up homeland security, other than going to war. Too much american money going to waste, too many innocent lives taken, too many family members morning. And a lying idoit calling the shots.

So you dont support the military or anything? I am not Pro bush man, I am a conservative and libratarian, I am pro military. People that serve our country are great and that is why you and me are here man, we would have been over run by superior powers if it was not for the military. They attacked us man, they did.

So if you had a brother that wanted to join the military you would tell him to fuck off and send him hate mail telling him how stupid he is and how he should not be there and on and on of what you had already stated, dont you think that alone would seal his fate and you might never see him again?

 

[kausion_420]

I believe in having a military every country needs its protection but I think USA takes their military ideas to the extreme. Canada hasn't been overrun by superpowers for not having the strongest military in the world. No other countries even think of attacking Canada.

The majority of america's budget goes to military funding. Whereas other countries spend their budget on things that will directly help the people of their country. In the US the main idea seems to be "if your poor its because you are lazy and stupid so go fuck yourself, and if your rich its because you are smart and you should invest in guns to protect yourself from the poor theives that are decaying our society". Maybe this is because I am looking from outside the circle as I do not live in the US but I do not support bushes actions.

With all the money they spend on military a good portion goes to intellegence. They have more than enough satellites in space spying on people. So what I am wondering is how didn't they know what attack was being planned on them? Once the attacks sprung, how would they not be able to find their enemies? There are so many conspiracies going on in that government I surprised how any american citizen can believe what they hear on the news.

Once again this is just the opinion of someone not living in the US.

 

[lepiricus]

I don't normally respond to this type of thread but lets think back to 9/12. If we had done nothing in retaliation, it would have been a grave mistake. If we had sat back and did nothing it would have been open season on the USA, home and abroad. We would turn into the puss kid in highschool that everyone beat up on because he wouldn't hit back. Oh, eventually we would have retaliated, but by that time we would have had to fight back a multiple group of groups/countries. And, aggression towards all those groups/countries would have been WW III, guranteed.

What do you do when you are the most powerful country in world and get pushed? You smack that fool (Osama) and his buddy (Iraq), right in the mouth, and let all his friends see. Bitch all you want, its your American, paid in blood, right. The current situation is probably the best course we could have taken. Just my take on it.

 

[kausion_420]

If you look at it in those terms relating it to regular life. Then it would be safe to say that America is the big bad bully in school. Just like any bully they will pick on a weaker person. The weaker person being Iraq or Osama. Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

A kid gets picked on throughout high school and on the last day comes to school with a gun and kills his enemies. Although what I just said is a bit extreme it still is along the basic lines. Noone will stop to say maybe the kid killed the bully because he was pushed too far. All they will say is the kid is the evil one because in the end he was the killer.

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

 

[Super]

I believe in having a military every country needs its protection but I think USA takes their military ideas to the extreme. Canada hasn't been overrun by superpowers for not having the strongest military in the world. No other countries even think of attacking Canada.

The majority of america's budget goes to military funding. Whereas other countries spend their budget on things that will directly help the people of their country. In the US the main idea seems to be "if your poor its because you are lazy and stupid so go fuck yourself, and if your rich its because you are smart and you should invest in guns to protect yourself from the poor theives that are decaying our society". Maybe this is because I am looking from outside the circle as I do not live in the US but I do not support bushes actions.

With all the money they spend on military a good portion goes to intellegence. They have more than enough satellites in space spying on people. So what I am wondering is how didn't they know what attack was being planned on them? Once the attacks sprung, how would they not be able to find their enemies? There are so many conspiracies going on in that government I surprised how any american citizen can believe what they hear on the news.

Once again this is just the opinion of someone not living in the US.

They dont attack canada because atacking canada is like attacking america, not only is it on the same continet, but they are one of our closest allies, attacking a allie is like atacking america

 

[Super]

If you look at it in those terms relating it to regular life. Then it would be safe to say that America is the big bad bully in school. Just like any bully they will pick on a weaker person. The weaker person being Iraq or Osama. Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

A kid gets picked on throughout high school and on the last day comes to school with a gun and kills his enemies. Although what I just said is a bit extreme it still is along the basic lines. Noone will stop to say maybe the kid killed the bully because he was pushed too far. All they will say is the kid is the evil one because in the end he was the killer.

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

No it was a accicendt called colateral damage and its not inteneded, 9/11 was intended and killed 2000 poeple.

 

[kausion_420]

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

 

[crazyed27]

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

Amen to that K420! I agree 100%

 

[crazyed27]

So you dont support the military or anything? I am not Pro bush man, I am a conservative and libratarian, I am pro military. People that serve our country are great and that is why you and me are here man, we would have been over run by superior powers if it was not for the military. They attacked us man, they did.

So if you had a brother that wanted to join the military you would tell him to fuck off and send him hate mail telling him how stupid he is and how he should not be there and on and on of what you had already stated, dont you think that alone would seal his fate and you might never see him again?

I would support the military if someone came and tried to take our land, no doubt, I'd have my wepons out and ready to fire! I don't hate the military, I disagree with the people in higher powers than the military. I feel sorry for everyone who has lost people over there in Iraq.
Supra if I had a brother in the wanting to go to the military I'd talk to him, and share my concerns. While he was there I'd would never send him hate mail, but words of encouragement. I might not agree with his decision but I'd never turn my back on him because of it.

 

[Texan]

Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

The fuckers weren't bitchin' when we were helping them fight the USSR in the 80s. Once we served them all they wanted it was time to get the fuck out I guess.

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

We have never killed civillians just to show we are superior. We killed a lot of civilians in order to end WWII, which saved a lot more lives in the long run- US, Canadian, French, Russian, etc. just think how many allies would have died in a full scale land invasion on Japan. Next time you all thanks us for that be gald you're not saying it in German or Japanese. Name a time we have bombed someone just to show we are superior. Of course we have done a lot of babysitting around the globe for the fucking UN. There's a lot of shit we have done on their behalf that I don't really agree with, but that shit has been cut WAY down since Clinton left the White House.

This is going to sound bad, but it needs to be said. I think a lot of countries forget that we are own nation. We are not an extension of some world order governmental body that has to act for the benefit of the entire globe. We have to do what we feel is right for OUR nation at times. I'm sorry that a lot of people around the globe liked Clinton better because he kissed everybody's ass. Our current president has a little more pride than that, and he won't turn the other cheek while our country gets train fucked up the ass by one terrorist group after another.

Think about how much the US does for the world. I mean really, just think how much everyone would have to bitch about if Afghanistan was the world's only superpower. We (Americans) really aren't all that bad. How much more would the world like the US if we took a completely hands-off approach? No civilized world power to keep an eye on things...oh what shit would ensue...think Khadafi, Hussein, Pol Pot, Milosevic, the Taliban, the Ahitollah, Hitler, yeah I can see why WE are so hated...

And as for Canada... the US appreciates our northern neighbor, but Canada has a lot to be thankful to the US for. Canada knows they can skimp by with a small military because the US takes care of our allies, esp. those we border. Canada's economy isn't that great, so if Canada had to provide for their own defense they would be in trouble. Also, their geographic location lends them some protection.

The thing I do envy abt Canada is that they can be isolationist and get away with it. The US can't. Like on Spider-Man- "With great power comes great responsibility" It's our gift, our curse.

 

[crazyed27]

Crazyed, I respect your opinion and I enjoy your posts here, but I disagree with you on this. If I come up to you and say I'm gonna shoot you, just wait til I get my gun loaded, what are you going to do? Compare beefing up national security to a kevlar vest- Are you going to run off and get a kevlar vest and hope I shoot you where you're covered? Cuz you can't cover everything with kevlar. I'm willing to bet you're gonna knock my teeth out before I shoot you, because you strike me as a man who can be a badass when the time calls for it. The way I see it, that little scenario is just like what happened with Iraq. We had to do this to protect our nation from a real threat. Waiting for the other guy to strike first, esp. when he's already told you it's coming is fool's roulette. You mentioned all the innocent civilian casualties... we will never know how many people were saved by our preemptive strike on Iraq.

True enough, sometimes the best offense is a good defense. To be ready for these crazy MFers to come here and try to bomb. I just don't believe we had to go on the offense in Iraq. I think we sould have gone for the al-Qaida off the top. There the real reason behind all this mess. Saddam and Iraq were just easy targets for us to hit first. Al-Qaida is still doing there thing, and we have not stoped them yet, maybe slowed them down but they are the biggest threat to us.
Well we'll just see waht happens in 20 years or so. I took Germany a long time to become a flourishing nation again after the fall of Hitler. Everything takes time as we all know this. But for now this is how I feel.
We got too many problems in america our homeland that are not being addressed. That need focused on. It seems the majority of our energy is going into war.

Texas is not hte only state to have capital punisHydromaxent man, yet you blame it all on bush. If somone came into your house and killed your family, would you not want capital punisHydromaxent for them?

No its not I live in missouri and we have the capital punisHydromaxent. However the state of Texas while Bush was govenor set a record on people killed on death row. Some did not have a fair trial. in order for a man to be executed by the state the govenor has to O.K it. Realize these killers have familys too. Can they really be a threat to society if there in a 22 hour lock down. A lot of those killed were Vets who served time for there country, and most likley ended up becoming disturbed from the shit they had seen in the military. So the maddness of those individuals were created by the US government. Supra I don't wish death on any man regardless of what he has done. Life in prison, yeah, but not death. Were people not how can we justify killing someone because of his actions in the past? We can't play God IMO, but we can restrain the man from ever doing it again!

 

[kausion_420]

Don't forget about the large bombing campaigns Clinton administered many innocent people died there. I understand your views about WW2 but I wasn't referring to that.

As for Canada, they keep there citizens in line because of the US. Canadians don't want to act radically in fear that their nation will become like the US. On the other hand the US keeps its citizens in line by keeping them terrified. A fear monger society. As long as everyone is always afraid they will be looking for help in higher places that being the gov't or military. When that happens its very easy to get away with conspiracies and currupt actions.

US recives false information about a factory producing weapons of mass destruction, they bomb it and kill many people only to find out it was your basic factory. They then turn around and get the media to flood the channels with news about 5 US soldiers being killed by a suicide bomber. The US citizens are now back in fear and the gov't gets away with the bombing.

 

[crazyed27]

On the other hand the US keeps its citizens in line by keeping them terrified. A fear monger society.

Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

 

[Super]

I would support the military if someone came and tried to take our land, no doubt, I'd have my wepons out and ready to fire! I don't hate the military, I disagree with the people in higher powers than the military. I feel sorry for everyone who has lost people over there in Iraq.
Supra if I had a brother in the wanting to go to the military I'd talk to him, and share my concerns. While he was there I'd would never send him hate mail, but words of encouragement. I might not agree with his decision but I'd never turn my back on him because of it.

WEll then, there are many brothers that have brothers over ther right now, and they need support, not anti-war protesting.

People cant think that if america just does not bother anyome, no one will bother us. Pearl Harbor? 9/11? What happened, they attacked us out of the blue, and we responded back. what are we supposed to do, just sit back and take it up that ass.

If you lost a loved on in 9/11 would you not feel diffenet about the war, of coarse you would. I would like to see on person that lost a loved on in 9/11 going around and doing anti-war protesting. Its not gonna happen man

 

[Super]

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

YOu and crazy are not answering the questions. We attacked them cause they killed 2000 of our own people, why cant you see that? Sadam Killed 300,000 innocent people becasue they stood against him. The reason why there is really no one that likes america in Iraq is casue anyone that stood up to Sadam was killed.

 

[kausion_420]

Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

Thats another thing about US that I dislike. They claim all this racism stopped and blah blah but it hasnt stopped just took a new form. More of an invisible war.

Another US conspiracy that bothers me because the only way I could ever know the truth would to be in the US gov't was the beginning of the crack epidemic. I have read conspiricies about this claiming Bush Senior and the CIA manufactured cocaine into a highly addictive form to flood the ghetto's.

It was George Bush Senior who financed Nicaraguan Democratic Forces (FDN, the Contras) in their 1980s war against the Sandinista regime in Managua, through a cocaine pipeline that went from Colombia, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the streets of Los Angeles, placing crack cocaine and guns into the hands of the Crips and the Bloods urban gangs. Of course you know all of the people in that area are colored and doing this is a silent way for them to kill each other as the US gov't sits back and watches.

 

[Super]

Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

Bro if you really think that, then you got to stop and look at yourself man, cops aint comming down and busting your doors casue you dont agree with bush.

 

[Super]

Guys read the first post, its all trure

 

[kausion_420]

YOu and crazy are not answering the questions. We attacked them cause they killed 2000 of our own people, why cant you see that? Sadam Killed 300,000 innocent people becasue they stood against him. The reason why there is really no one that likes america in Iraq is casue anyone that stood up to Sadam was killed.

Yes I know that but did the US gov't not know these attacks were coming?

Should they not have listened?

When you get a warning you act on it before it becomes a problem you dont wait until it is a problem to escalate the whole situation.

After reading that post about the real reasons why US is in Iraq makes more sense to me why they would attack after the towers were hit.

 

[Super]

If it was up to you guys, we would have just let pearl harbor happen, 9/11 happen, all the embasy bombing happen, the USS Cole and Hundreds more. Why do you think this will just go away? They hate america and everything we stand for. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

If we do not attack and show that america will not stand for this, then they will continue to attack us.

Who said during WW2 "Japan just lost the War For us" That was said after they bombed pearl Harbor, well the same thing happened with 9/11

 

[Super]

Yes I know that but did the US gov't not know these attacks were coming?

Should they not have listened?

When you get a warning you act on it before it becomes a problem you dont wait until it is a problem to escalate the whole situation.

After reading that post about the real reasons why US is in Iraq makes more sense to me why they would attack after the towers were hit.

I dont understand your last sentence

The reason why 9/11 happend was cause of that stuipid rule that CIA cannot share intel with the FBI.

It does not matter if we could have prevented it or not, it happened and the people that did it deseve to die.

I ask you and crazy and everyone else, if you lost someone in 9/11 would you not want revenge!!! Would you not want us to kick there ass!

I joined the Marines casue we had a freind die in 9/11, I joined November 10th, 2001. I am still here casue of that reason and the man next to me life.

 

[kausion_420]

If it was up to you guys, we would have just let pearl harbor happen, 9/11 happen, all the embasy bombing happen, the USS Cole and Hundreds more. Why do you think this will just go away? They hate america and everything we stand for. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

If we do not attack and show that america will not stand for this, then they will continue to attack us.

Who said during WW2 "Japan just lost the War For us" That was said after they bombed pearl Harbor, well the same thing happened with 9/11

Actually there are more conspiracies about how they let pearl harbour attack in order to stomp back hard to become the Super power it is today.

Surely their equipment at the time could spot airbone objects from a distance as the did have the technology back then. Once again, if you see a bunch of planes heading your way do you notify someone or just keep quiet.

The problem with the US gov't is there are so many conspiracies and when ever someone investigates and is on to something somehow that case gets closed.

 

[Super]

The problem is with america, all the people that died in 9/11 dont care or have any feelings to those. There is prolly not one single person in New york that does not belief in this war. Every New Yorker is so Pro War its not even funny. About 100 guys in my company are from New York, mabey more. And the rest Texans like myself

All I ask is for you to think if you had lost a loved on, or if you had a loved one in Iraq,I reallly want to see someone post and say they lost a loved one in 9/11 or they loved on is in Iraq and they dont support him at all! Its not going to happen, you guys are anit war casue you have not lost anything

 

[kausion_420]

Ya Id be choked if I lost someone in those towers but you dont start attacking muslims because muslim terrorists attacked your country. If there was a way to locate all of Bin laden's people then thats a totally different story. Although with the technology and satellites US has, they should be able to find anyone at anytime. Which is why I am not sure how they are always a step behind.

 

[Super]

Actually there are more conspiracies about how they let pearl harbour attack in order to stomp back hard to become the Super power it is today.

Surely their equipment at the time could spot airbone objects from a distance as the did have the technology back then. Once again, if you see a bunch of planes heading your way do you notify someone or just keep quiet.

The problem with the US gov't is there are so many conspiracies and when ever someone investigates and is on to something somehow that case gets closed.

I cant belive you honestly beief that I really cant. That is just insanity, Our president is gonna let all those civiliians and military die!!! What are you talking about!! They took out the entire pacific fleet!!!

I am not turing this thread into a name calling thread. But man! How can you belief that!! I bet you belive that 9/11 was a conspiracie as well like many do!!! That is just not true!!! You think the Military Gerenals would let all there troops die? You think non of that would ever leek. You cant just balme everything on conspiracies man. Sure there are some, everywere in this world, even were you work.

 

[Super]

Ya Id be choked if I lost someone in those towers but you dont start attacking muslims because muslim terrorists attacked your country. If there was a way to locate all of Bin laden's people then thats a totally different story. Although with the technology and satellites US has, they should be able to find anyone at anytime. Which is why I am not sure how they are always a step behind.

Bro we attacked the Al Queda and Taliban!!! They were responsable for 9/11
WE cant track people in caves under the ground man, it does not work that way!

Let me ask you, are you in the marine recon? No. I was I know how it works, satalites are only good for viewable tagets, thats it Dont you watch the news man, we did locate tons of Bin ladens people!! What do you think we were fighting in Afgan? School Gilrs and Nuns out of mosks? Come on man, I know you know better than this.

We did not just attack innocnet muslems, we attacked terrorists that were in connection with 9/11 man, you think we just ran over inccocent children!! We were attacking the terrorists man!

 

[kausion_420]

Whether or not it is true we will never know. There is conspiracy theories linking to it however.

In the end whether you are a general or not you are still a puppet for the gov't. If a few die to benefit the nation then it is in good cause. If it was the case, lives were lost and in return the US hit back hard and became the strongest nation in the world. Whether or not that is a benefit to the nation is ones own opinion.

 

[Super]

Ok I ask you this, Have you ever talked to anyone in Iraq or afgan? Have you ever exchanded emails? Have you ever talked to them on the phone? Are vidoe tapes hours long of the war sent to your house to see what really goes on?!!!! NO!!!!!

All you see is what the media wants to show you. Thats it!! You have never seen the children hugging the Marines, you have never seen the familyis bring the marines into there home and cook them meals. You have never seen the people flock the streets in rejoice casue we are there!

All you ever see is the bad bad bad! All you see is beheaddings, suicide bombers and anti war protesters. That it, You do not know the Truth, I do. I have seen it and heard it on the phone, and seen it with my eyes.

No one here knows the truth, only the people that have been there, the media and the military men and women, bring me one perosn in the sevice that says, "fuck this war and bush"

It is insulting to think that this is what americans think of Me and the Military. I am going to Iraq in January, and i know what will happen

 

[kausion_420]

Bro we attacked the Al Queda and Taliban!!! They were responsable for 9/11
WE cant track people in caves under the ground man, it does not work that way!

Let me ask you, are you in the marine recon? No. I was I know how it works, satalites are only good for viewable tagets, thats it Dont you watch the news man, we did locate tons of Bin ladens people!! What do you think we were fighting in Afgan? School Gilrs and Nuns out of mosks? Come on man, I know you know better than this.

We did not just attack innocnet muslems, we attacked terrorists that were in connection with 9/11 man, you think we just ran over inccocent children!! We were attacking the terrorists man!

Yes I understand what you are saying. Maybe I am typing too fast and leaving out obvious points. Yes I know why you were in Afgan I am just seeing this from a non-American point of view.

As for the news, you have to learn most of that by doing searches picking up bits and pieces from different sources to draw your own conclusions. All news is, is propaganda spreaded by the government of the country the news is broadcasted for.

 

[kausion_420]

Ok I ask you this, Have you ever talked to anyone in Iraq or afgan? Have you ever exchanded emails? Have you ever talked to them on the phone? Are vidoe tapes hours long of the war sent to your house to see what really goes on?!!!! NO!!!!!

All you see is what the media wants to show you. Thats it!! You have never seen the children hugging the Marines, you have never seen the familyis bring the marines into there home and cook them meals. You have never seen the people flock the streets in rejoice casue we are there!

All you ever see is the bad bad bad! All you see is beheaddings, suicide bombers and anti war protesters. That it, You do not know the Truth, I do. I have seen it and heard it on the phone, and seen it with my eyes.

Yes I have friends in Afgan and Iraq. I have a friend who moved from Afgan here a few years ago who told me the horrible stories. Hearing it from his point of view lets me see things how I see them.

 

[kausion_420]

I have friends who worked on the Oil rigs in Iraq prior to 9/11. Who told me one day they were at work and then the american army comes and secures their area and says they can't work. This was prior to 9/11 when they had no reason to do such things..

 

[Super]

Yes I have friends in Afgan and Iraq. I have a friend who moved from Afgan here a few years ago who told me the horrible stories. Hearing it from his point of view lets me see things how I see them.

Were are you from? What horrible stories? The ones were we killed hte terrorists? People say we attacked mosks, once they are used for combat they are not protected anymore yet people still say "You bombed Churches!!" WE did casue they were killing Marines!

 

[kausion_420]

Were are you from? What horrible stories? The ones were we killed hte terrorists? People say we attacked mosks, once they are used for combat they are not protected anymore yet people still say "You bombed Churches!!" WE did casue they were killing Marines!

Im in canada. The stories I hear from my Afgan friend are anti-US stories. As well as your typical fighting in Afgan day to day stories.