Realistic Gains Prediction

[JonnyP8]

Hello brothers,

Brand new here, BPEL 15cm 5.9inch and erect girth 12.7cm 5inch.

I used bathmate sporadically a few years ago for about 1 year and then stopped. My head is definitely permanently bigger as a result and I believe I’ve retained some very slight girth and length gains permanently.

Above measurements are as of today.

I’m looking to begin a regimented routine of manual stretches (out, up, left, right, down, behind cheeks) and jelqing (12mins) and then bathmate in the evening (12min x2).

Ideally I’d love to hear from experienced members what the realistic gains from this could be over say 3 months, 6 months, 9 months etc.

Of course any extra advice or thoughts on the routine or whatever else you may think is worth knowing is much appreciated.

Thank you in advance guys

(also if there’s somewhere better I should be posting this question please lmk)

 

[oldandlively]

First of all, a big welcome, brother.

Hello brothers,

Brand new here, BPEL 15cm 5.9inch and erect girth 12.7cm 5inch.

Got it. Just letting you know, you are by far above most average by a stride. So, be confident in what you have. But a little bit more will merely ensure your confident level a little higher.

I used bathmate sporadically a few years ago for about 1 year and then stopped. My head is definitely permanently bigger as a result and I believe I’ve retained some very slight girth and length gains permanently.

If your glans is larger, keep aiming for that. Little do the ladies know that it's not about the shaft that stimulate the internal areas, but the glans is the main stimulator. The shaft simply create the penetration depth, and continually excite the clitoris during sensual contacts. What hits the G, A, and P spots is the glans. The length provides the contribution to the depth penetration.

Above measurements are as of today.

I’m looking to begin a regimented routine of manual stretches (out, up, left, right, down, behind cheeks) and jelqing (12mins) and then bathmate in the evening (12min x2).

Ideally I’d love to hear from experienced members what the realistic gains from this could be over say 3 months, 6 months, 9 months etc.

If your gains were very little back then using only the pump, the tissues should not be heavily dense to cause accelerated gains. Read through the 5x5x3 (a word-link to click on now) and get an understanding of it first. From there, we kick your routine and progressive monitoring in proper stages.

Let us know if your current health conditions, emotions, psychological, and even dietary. It's strange to have these things being talked about, but these things can make or break your progression. Medication, bad dietary, poor emotional health, and psychological instability can cause many things to fall apart as you perform PE routines.

Just understand that PE is not a fast in and fast out. PE, like bodybuilding, requires investment of time, budget, and discipline for growth. It's a marathon and not a sprint race. However desperate you are, never, ever be overzealous with your routines as too much can injure your penile structures. The routine of exercises should be constant, and do not allow yourself to have more than two days of rest. In reality, two days of rest is like three full days. If you have too much rest, you have to restart your progress back to a newbie routine for a few weeks to get your tissues primed again.

To summarize the 5x5x3 processes so you can understand the routine natures, as the 5x5x3 is merely a baseline routine that can be tailored personally according to your needs.

• Every exercise requires warm up. Warm up consists of either doing manual stretching, bending, twisting, rotating, and application of heat, such as warm/hot rice pack or heat source. We entered into new age of anything-is-available era. There's battery operated IR and LED warmer of all kind if you have a bit of money to spare. If not, the good old hot packs made out of rice sock and hot water warmer bag.
• Expansions internally, using positive pressure. This is where the SSJ, or slow squash jelq and various other power jelqs to expand the semi erected penis using the blood volume you have. While you have a good volume of blood close to 100% of the blood volume trapped in the penis during a full erection, that volume of blood is use to pressurize the internal walls of the tunica and septum blood chambers, or medically known as the spongiosa. The typical pressure is around 4 to 5 inHg internally. However, by pressurizing manually, you're pushing the blood volume to go past 5 and enter into the territory of 6 and 7 inHg. This must be progressively perform. Don't go crazy straight out of the gate.
• Expansions internally, using negative pressure. This is where your pump comes into play. In some part of our lives, we have a Bathmate. I lost count on how many of the Bathmate models I got suckered into buying. Why? No measurement of pressure. This is why I got the MityVac or similar, with proper measuring gauge and allow me to use both water and air. We have many articles and discussions on water vs air, both have their benefits and negatives. If you need these articles and discussion, let us know. A quick search will bring them all up. Using the negative pressure, while you're fully erected, forces the internal blood volume to increase past 115%, which is where you want at a bare minimum. Again, you have to progressively increase the intensity of the blood volume. Once you have the negative pressure increases the internal expansion, you switch over to the positive expansion again after a quick heat application to keep your tissues malleable for stretches.
• Once the exercises are completed, you switch over to post pump restrictive blood volume expansion. Restrictive, not constrictive, means your use a device like a sleeve, soft ring, or soft bandage to allow the blood to remain inside the penis at an expanded state for around 40 to 60 minutes, but ensure the blood enters and exits the penis without causing the blood to remain stagnant. Stagnant of blood, or trapped blood in a full constriction, can cause blood cells to die and create deep vein thrombosis. This will impact your health in so many different way.
• Keeping your penile shaft elongated is the final process. Yes, PE should be done at this stage, but in reality, it's not. PE is practically 16 to 18 hours of your day. Keeping the penile shaft elongated with a low traction load of 600g to 1.1kg is critical to keep the tissues constantly healing in a growth stage. Most manufacturers and communities don't provide these kind of insights, but it's essential.

So, with that preamble to your PE world, let us know what else you need in terms of info. Once you're ready, create yourself a personal log page so we can provide you adequate info, suggestions, and research materials to validate what we're talking about. Rather than blowing smoke at you, we'll shove a fan in front of you and allow you to see everything clearly before you make your decisions for your actions.

 

[JonnyP8]

Hello brother, thank you so much for the thoughtful reply.

I will be sure to look into all of the links you provided.

Keeping your penile shaft elongated is the final process. Yes, PE should be done at this stage, but in reality, it's not. PE is practically 16 to 18 hours of your day. Keeping the penile shaft elongated with a low traction load of 600g to 1.1kg is critical to keep the tissues constantly healing in a growth stage. Most manufacturers and communities don't provide these kind of insights, but it's essential.

This bit here is probably what I’m most unfamiliar with.
It is different from the sleeve you mention?

Also, before I look into creating that log etc which I shall do over the weekend - are there any predicted gains you can see from my proposed routine (maybe incorporating the SSJ and also the 5x5x3 into it if this makes a gain prediction more viable).

Thanks again!

 

[oldandlively]

This bit here is probably what I’m most unfamiliar with.
It is different from the sleeve you mention?

Sleeves are penis sleeves. Examples are SiliSleeves or similar:

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Sleeves comes in different designs, such as length, diameter, thickness, and material formula as they are formulated different with food grade and medical grade silicone. Some are still made with rubber.

Also, before I look into creating that log etc which I shall do over the weekend - are there any predicted gains you can see from my proposed routine (maybe incorporating the SSJ and also the 5x5x3 into it if this makes a gain prediction more viable).

Predicted gains can be generalized using your existing tissues, the selected routine route, and the observable gains throughout the first 3 months. Some of our brothers are geniuses at creating mathematical models to predict potential gains. We'll use the formulas to help with predictive insights.

 

[JonnyP8]

ahh I see, amazing thank you again I’ll look forward to that once I’ve completed the 5x5x3 page and input my details as you’ve instructed.

Keeping the penile shaft elongated with a low traction load of 600g to 1.1kg is critical to keep the tissues constantly healing in a growth stage.

But I mean, how is this achieved? Or I’m getting ahead of myself to wonder yet?

Thank you again brother, don’t mean to exhaust your kindness last follow up question I’ll make to you I promise haha

 

[oldandlively]

But I mean, how is this achieved? Or I’m getting ahead of myself to wonder yet?

As brother @MickeyDeese can confirm about internal remodeling of the tissues, it's a constant stress loading the internal tissues over and over again, causing the body to adopt new changes. Imagine the garden water hose. If the pressure has an outlet to maintain the pressure low, the hose will remain the same. But as controlled pressure increased, the hose either expand accordingly, or it will burst somewhere. We don't want it to burst. We want total control over the expansion to adopt to different pressure stages.

Luckily, the penis is not as hard as a hose, but similar to a very malleable thick wall balloon. Controlling it easier but must be done according to stages of progression

Thank you again brother, don’t mean to exhaust your kindness last follow up question I’ll make to you I promise haha

Always ask questions, brother. Arm your with knowledge and wisdom before building yourself experiences. This way, you can help others in the future.

 

[MickeyDeese]

But I mean, how is this achieved? Or I’m getting ahead of myself to wonder yet?

Hey JP8 and Oldandlively. I was tagged in this thread. What insight can I provide?

Over 12 months last year I went from bone pressed erect length of 16.3cm to 22cm. I've learned that this is very uncommon and makes me an outlier. I will tell you that is takes persistence, consistency, and a shit ton of time. For instance I was doing 3 to 6 hours of penis enlargement workouts every single day (with a 7 to 14 day break every 3 months).

I have tried bath pumping (girth), weight hanging (length), clamping (girth), tension extenders (length), all day stretchers (flaccid length and recovery length), cock rings (ED and vacularity), compression stretchers (length), and manual exercises (all of the above depending on what you do). There are so many different routines out there that it may seem daunting and can be a bit overwhelming. Do what your schedule allows. That is the routine that is best for you. The golden rule is low (weight/pressure) and slow (lots of time)

It was mentioned above that this is a marathon and not a sprint. What is meant by this is that gains will take years, not weeks or months. This is what I meant by being persistent. Gains happen so slowly that it is easy to get discouraged. For instance whenever I hit a plateau I would only see maybe 0.2cm gain over a 6 week span, then I would try something different and BAM! gain +0.4 in 2 weeks. Don't give up.

I can tell you what worked for me, but what I did may not be for you. Which I know seems kind of like, "Oh? Yeah this guy is full of it." It is the unfortunate truth. While our many different layers of penile tissues are essentially made of the same stuff they vary greatly in structure and design. Built differently but made of the same stuff is how I look at it. Which is why I always urge caution. Take it slow, test yourself and see what you can reasonably tolerate. Penis Enlargement should never be painful. As a much needed PSA, you only have one dick, treat it well.

Now to FINALLY answer your question, an all day stretcher at minimum pull or a tension extender at minimum tension will help you achieve a state of continuous stretch during rest and recovery.

 

[oldandlively]

Hey JP8 and Oldandlively. I was tagged in this thread. What insight can I provide?

Yes. You're the next best active posting brother with enough comprehension to cellular (tissues) remodelling that can provide insights to other brothers. This is why you're tagged as one of many which can chime in to the new brothers.

Over 12 months last year I went from bone pressed erect length of 16.3cm to 22cm. I've learned that this is very uncommon and makes me an outlier. I will tell you that is takes persistence, consistency, and a shit ton of time. For instance I was doing 3 to 6 hours of penis enlargement workouts every single day (with a 7 to 14 day break every 3 months).

This makes you one of the hard gainers with scientific, biochemical, and pharmaceutical researches behind to support your PE. Brother JP8 may bounce some idea or validation off you in the future days.

I have tried bath pumping (girth), weight hanging (length), clamping (girth), tension extenders (length), all day stretchers (flaccid length and recovery length), cock rings (ED and vacularity), compression stretchers (length), and manual exercises (all of the above depending on what you do). There are so many different routines out there that it may seem daunting and can be a bit overwhelming. Do what your schedule allows. That is the routine that is best for you. The golden rule is low (weight/pressure) and slow (lots of time)

It was mentioned above that this is a marathon and not a sprint. What is meant by this is that gains will take years, not weeks or months. This is what I meant by being persistent. Gains happen so slowly that it is easy to get discouraged. For instance whenever I hit a plateau I would only see maybe 0.2cm gain over a 6 week span, then I would try something different and BAM! gain +0.4 in 2 weeks. Don't give up.

I can tell you what worked for me, but what I did may not be for you. Which I know seems kind of like, "Oh? Yeah this guy is full of it." It is the unfortunate truth. While our many different layers of penile tissues are essentially made of the same stuff they vary greatly in structure and design. Built differently but made of the same stuff is how I look at it. Which is why I always urge caution. Take it slow, test yourself and see what you can reasonably tolerate. Penis Enlargement should never be painful. As a much needed PSA, you only have one dick, treat it well.

And this is why your insights, or even chiming in with such info, is so invaluable to verify and validate PE routines with customized exercises according to invidual's needs. Everyone benefits from the baseline routines and exercises to some extent, but we have to customize as we go. This is not only critical, but it's essential.

Now to FINALLY answer your question, an all day stretcher at minimum pull or a tension extender at minimum tension will help you achieve a state of continuous stretch during rest and recovery.

Exactly. We all tend to miss this in the beginning. Now, it's mission critical.

 

[JonnyP8]

Thank you very much brother.

Did you happen to read my initial post in this thread? I will quote it here just in case as not sure fully ins and outs of this site yet

Brand new here, BPEL 15cm 5.9inch and erect girth 12.7cm 5inch.

I used bathmate sporadically a few years ago for about 1 year and then stopped. My head is definitely permanently bigger as a result and I believe I’ve retained some very slight girth and length gains permanently.

Above measurements are as of today.

I’m looking to begin a regimented routine of manual stretches (out, up, left, right, down, behind cheeks) and jelqing (12mins) and then bathmate in the evening (12min x2).

Ideally I’d love to hear from experienced members what the realistic gains from this could be over say 3 months, 6 months, 9 months etc.

Of course any extra advice or thoughts on the routine or whatever else you may think is worth knowing is much appreciated.

I’d love to know how you consider my routine plan given your extensive experience.

Over 12 months last year I went from bone pressed erect length of 16.3cm to 22cm.

Incredible, I will take this as motivation for sure, even if it’s an outlier gain. Amazing.

I have tried bath pumping (girth), weight hanging (length), clamping (girth), tension extenders (length), all day stretchers (flaccid length and recovery length), cock rings (ED and vacularity), compression stretchers (length), and manual exercises (all of the above depending on what you do).

This mix of testing during the 12 month period is what led to those gains, or you zeroed in on something more specific / emphasised certain things and dropped others completely?

Would be interesting to know as well your opinion on sleeves for the hold of length post stretch since you mention rings (I assume used for girth healing?)
Although if you’re using ADS then the sleeve thing becomes redundant I suppose?

an all day stretcher at minimum pull or a tension extender at minimum tension will help you achieve a state of continuous stretch during rest and recovery.

Which brings me to this point, Oldandlively tagged you here as a big proponent of this method so I wonder if you could help me to understand how pivotal it his really was for you over all of the other methods you tried (and I have lined up for my routine)?

If very, then is there a particular stretcher and method of ads you recommend above all others?

Thanks again in advance brother, much appreciated

 

[JonnyP8]

thank you again brother!

I see - so if I’m understanding correctly - the sleeves are for post stretch (length healing) to maintain gains and rings are the same for girth?

I’ve been doing my manual stretches (out, up, down, behind cheeks) each with left/right variations and then immediately into jelqing.

So this would mean that I cannot really use the sleeve post workout, only ring to maintain girth correct?

Would you recommend splitting my workouts so that I stretch, use sleeve. Then later on jelq, use ring?

If so, could you perhaps help me to understand or point me to a thread that explains the best methods of sleeve and ring use brother?
I have no experience with these and wouldn’t know where to begin in terms of time spent using them for max gains vs overuse/circulation restriction. As well as no idea which ring/sleeve sizes to buy etc.

An ADS would be more ideal than sleeve right? But for now the sleeve and rings are more inside my budget for this project.

Read through the 5x5x3 (a word-link to click on now) and get an understanding of it first. From there, we kick your routine and progressive monitoring in proper stages.

Let us know if your current health conditions, emotions, psychological, and even dietary.

I have by the way read all of the links you sent me in our first message. Thank you so much, lots of amazing info.
When does the above happen? As in who do I tell that stuff to in order to get the gain prediction/monitoring etc as you say?

Thank you again as always brother

 

[MickeyDeese]

I’m looking to begin a regimented routine of manual stretches (out, up, left, right, down, behind cheeks) and jelqing (12mins) and then bathmate in the evening (12min x2).

That's a good warm up stretch. You can add a warm towel before or do your stretches in the shower. The issue I have with a Bathmate is that there is no pressure gauge so you don't know if you are above, below, or hitting target pressure. Another draw back from what I've seen of the bathmate is that they are opaque, so you can't see if you're getting edema (lymphatic swelling), which you do not want. A clear pump cylinder with a pressure gauge is the best option.

There are multiple forms of pumping; rapid interval pumping is done with an electric pump, so not something you would do in the bath unless you have that specialized setup. It pumps up to the set pressure within 10 seconds, then releases, then pumps back up over and over and over. RIP pumping is phenomenal for angiogenesis or vascular expansion and growth in the penis.

Interval pumping such as 4 minutes on, 2 minutes off, then repeat a total of 5 times. This allows for expansion then bloodflow. According to rat studies posted by Hink this is one of the better routines for gains.

Incremental pumping is similar to RIP or IP except you would increase the pressure over time. This allows for tissue adaptation and decreases risk of injury.

Static pumping is a long hold at pressure. Like the 12x2 you are doing or one long 20 minute hold. This prioritizes expansion but is easy to accumulate lymphatic fluid (edema) in surface tissue which you dont want. But if you are not getting edema the you are pumping at a good pressure or too low of pressure. Unfortunately Bathmate doesn't display pressure.

This mix of testing during the 12 month period is what led to those gains, or you zeroed in on something more specific / emphasised certain things and dropped others completely?

Everything I did has a different effect. For length though hanging incrementally increasing low weight for hours every day is what contributed most to my length gains.

Pumping is excellent for vascular health and maintaining girth. Gains are much slower with a pump though.

Clamping is very dangerous but contributed most to girth gains. I would not recommend though as it is easy to create a blood clot. Which you do not want.

ADS or using a cockring is what I used after exercise. CRing would be to solidify girth, ADS is used to solidify length. A tension extender is similar to and ADS but can't really be worn underneath clothing. I've worn an ADS to the office multiple times. Wouldn't be able to do that with an extender.

You can use a sleeve similarly to an ADS. The one drawback i see from using a sleeve is compression and limiting blood flow which would slow or hinder any potential gains received from the recovery and healing phase.

Keep on going and you'll hit your goals.

 

[oldandlively]

I see - so if I’m understanding correctly - the sleeves are for post stretch (length healing) to maintain gains and rings are the same for girth?

Yes, it does apply to girth as well. There is a unique offset between girth and length when your tissues are in a state of pliability and malleability. By keeping the tissues elongated, the chambers continue to repair and grow in a lengthened state. When the blood volume fills up again, the chambers expand laterally, further causing the chambers to expand further. This is remodeling offsets.

I’ve been doing my manual stretches (out, up, down, behind cheeks) each with left/right variations and then immediately into jelqing.

Add the so called bundled or bundling into the stretches. Bundling allows the twisted penis tissues to be under stress loads from the initial moments, without having to pull too hard. Twisting or rotating can range from 180 degrees to 720 degrees, just enough to cause the tissues to stress and do not need to pull as hard when the penis is under contortion stress load.

So this would mean that I cannot really use the sleeve post workout, only ring to maintain girth correct?

No. You can. See explanation above.

Would you recommend splitting my workouts so that I stretch, use sleeve. Then later on jelq, use ring?

No worries. You can do it all in one routine. Just keep the elongation for as long as you can after the routine before you go to sleep.

If so, could you perhaps help me to understand or point me to a thread that explains the best methods of sleeve and ring use brother?

Ring use is very simple. We'll repeat this procedure over and over again in the posts as it ingrains into our brains for PE practices. Place the ring on at the very far bottom of the penis base as you can. Have an erection to bring in the blood, which is now 100% of the volume. Restrict the blood flow where the blood will stay inside the penis and slowly releases the blood from 100% to roughly 50% volume in a out 5 minutes. 50% of the blood volume is about the flaccid state of your penis. Maximum restriction time is 10 minutes. This is the danger zone where blood can cause clumping, which result in thrombosis. 5 minutes is an ideal period. Do not constrict your blood flow where no blood exits the penis. This is the bad mistake to have. Repeat for 40 to 60 minutes cycle.

I have no experience with these and wouldn’t know where to begin in terms of time spent using them for max gains vs overuse/circulation restriction. As well as no idea which ring/sleeve sizes to buy etc.

Rings should be around 80% restrictive of your blood flow. It can be 50% of your erected girth at the very bottom of the penile base, pushing into your groin (or fat pad), or it can be more or less than the 50%. We can't tell you the exact size because everyone's girth has different density and blood flow rate. This is why you have to test things out. I have so many rings to restrict my blood flow, ranging from 30% of my erected size to 80%. How many? 14 total.

An ADS would be more ideal than sleeve right? But for now the sleeve and rings are more inside my budget for this project.

Yes. ADS or extender allows constant and higher traction tensions. Sleeves only allows low traction tensions below 900g. They are budget friendly, but not optimal.

I have by the way read all of the links you sent me in our first message. Thank you so much, lots of amazing info.
When does the above happen? As in who do I tell that stuff to in order to get the gain prediction/monitoring etc as you say?

When you start. You can post it in your own Routine and Progress personal log. We keep our eyes out to evaluate your progression.

 

[DLD]

Yes, it does apply to girth as well. There is a unique offset between girth and length when your tissues are in a state of pliability and malleability. By keeping the tissues elongated, the chambers continue to repair and grow in a lengthened state. When the blood volume fills up again, the chambers expand laterally, further causing the chambers to expand further. This is remodeling offsets.



Add the so called bundled or bundling into the stretches. Bundling allows the twisted penis tissues to be under stress loads from the initial moments, without having to pull too hard. Twisting or rotating can range from 180 degrees to 720 degrees, just enough to cause the tissues to stress and do not need to pull as hard when the penis is under contortion stress load.



No. You can. See explanation above.



No worries. You can do it all in one routine. Just keep the elongation for as long as you can after the routine before you go to sleep.



Ring use is very simple. We'll repeat this procedure over and over again in the posts as it ingrains into our brains for PE practices. Place the ring on at the very far bottom of the penis base as you can. Have an erection to bring in the blood, which is now 100% of the volume. Restrict the blood flow where the blood will stay inside the penis and slowly releases the blood from 100% to roughly 50% volume in a out 5 minutes. 50% of the blood volume is about the flaccid state of your penis. Maximum restriction time is 10 minutes. This is the danger zone where blood can cause clumping, which result in thrombosis. 5 minutes is an ideal period. Do not constrict your blood flow where no blood exits the penis. This is the bad mistake to have. Repeat for 40 to 60 minutes cycle.



Rings should be around 80% restrictive of your blood flow. It can be 50% of your erected girth at the very bottom of the penile base, pushing into your groin (or fat pad), or it can be more or less than the 50%. We can't tell you the exact size because everyone's girth has different density and blood flow rate. This is why you have to test things out. I have so many rings to restrict my blood flow, ranging from 30% of my erected size to 80%. How many? 14 total.



Yes. ADS or extender allows constant and higher traction tensions. Sleeves only allows low traction tensions below 900g. They are budget friendly, but not optimal.



When you start. You can post it in your own Routine and Progress personal log. We keep our eyes out to evaluate your progression.

Having a routine thread, it's so important. So not just your practices and growth, but it also gives us a roadmap to what you're doing. So we can help you in the future

 

[Growing4Squirting]

You are well set up brother @JonnyP8 .
You got the best mentors for free, follow the advices and you will gain faster than i did

 

[JonnyP8]

I see thank you brother - so just to make sure I’ve understood you correctly - we can use sleeve directly after stretch and jelq session and this will neither negatively impact girth gains nor cause circulation issues given that we’ve just jelqed correct?

Sleeve for as long as possible until sleep.

Ring should be directly after pump session for 5mins on, off and get some blood flow, then back on for 5mins. Repeat for a total of 60mins “on” time.

Correct? Again thank you I don’t wish to exhaust your kindness with these beginner questions - feel free to link me a thread with these instructions if you prefer - I’m still figuring out this site as far as searching for specific threads.

Thanks in advance brother

 

[oldandlively]

I see thank you brother - so just to make sure I’ve understood you correctly - we can use sleeve directly after stretch and jelq session and this will neither negatively impact girth gains nor cause circulation issues given that we’ve just jelqed correct?

Sleeve for as long as possible until sleep.

Correct. Just to clarify on the blood circulation, while using the sleeves, make sure to adjust the tightness to looser fitting to always, always promote blood flow during elongation period. Those who wrap too tightly tend to restrict the blood flow. Those who use sleeves normally use wrapping at the same time to prevent the penile shrinkage from sliding into the sleeves. Again, adjust the wrapping to prevent too high of a restriction on the blood flow.

Ring should be directly after pump session for 5mins on, off and get some blood flow, then back on for 5mins. Repeat for a total of 60mins “on” time.

No need to take the ring off after 5 minutes. Just get an erection to cycle in new blood since most of the old blood already left the penis. You can further remove most of the old blood by squeezing the penis before getting another erection.

Correct? Again thank you I don’t wish to exhaust your kindness with these beginner questions - feel free to link me a thread with these instructions if you prefer - I’m still figuring out this site as far as searching for specific threads.

We're always here to answer your questions, no matter how strange or light the questions may seem. The answers tend to change over time as we see new results and data from our info collection. PE never remains stagnant. It evolves constantly to ensure our well beings while striving for gains. If someone does not promote changes to a process and deems a process as the one and only ultimate solution that does not require reevaluation, that process is considered a failure.

 

[JonnyP8]

Those who use sleeves normally use wrapping at the same time to prevent the penile shrinkage from sliding into the sleeves.

Ah I see, I was hoping to use sleeve as a time saving device vs wrapping - I imagine that being circumcised somewhat prevents the shrinkage sliding into the sleeve since the gland will be outside the sleeve? Or I’m being too lazy to not bother wrapping haha?

No need to take the ring off after 5 minutes. Just get an erection to cycle in new blood since most of the old blood already left the penis. You can further remove most of the old blood by squeezing the penis before getting another erection.

Ahhh I understand now, nice thank you brother.

We're always here to answer your questions, no matter how strange or light the questions may seem. The answers tend to change over time as we see new results and data from our info collection. PE never remains stagnant. It evolves constantly to ensure our well beings while striving for gains. If someone does not promote changes to a process and deems a process as the one and only ultimate solution that does not require reevaluation, that process is considered a failure.

That’s true how it’s always better than an older thread, but a quick link would be easier for you to send, so I much appreciate your generosity and time on all of these questions brother.

I will begin the log thing tonight to hopefully provide insight also back to whomever it can help.

 

[oldandlively]

Ah I see, I was hoping to use sleeve as a time saving device vs wrapping - I imagine that being circumcised somewhat prevents the shrinkage sliding into the sleeve since the gland will be outside the sleeve? Or I’m being too lazy to not bother wrapping haha?

Unfortunately, that will still happens. It affects the uncircumcised brothers much more than the circumcised ones. But the wrapping will only be at the base of the glans to provides a bulkier terminal ends for the sleeves to work their magic.

That’s true how it’s always better than an older thread, but a quick link would be easier for you to send, so I much appreciate your generosity and time on all of these questions brother.

We do have many, and I mean many, posts regarding about it. We're coming up with ways to consolidate the info from the postings similar to the FAQs. The only thing is the time. 2025 got crazy busy. 2026 will even be busier. Now, I wonder if our guru can spearhead on this while we all run around like half dead chickens.

I will begin the log thing tonight to hopefully provide insight also back to whomever it can help.

That's the starting point. We'll add more info as you need it. You can always edit your posts to include new insights and info for your own records. This kind of knowledge is meant to be shared freely and edited for corrections and accuracy. We correct each other all the time.

 

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Keeping a log is the smartest thing you can do. There is never enough information you can put in. Include every detail that will help us help you with your routine.