92tmorgan
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I just meant program the dp 4000 for interval pumping just like the 20k device used.
Coped with some type of vibration device and boom there you have your 20k pump for around 500$
Coped with some type of vibration device and boom there you have your 20k pump for around 500$
However, the pressure must maintain a consistent cycle of 15 to 20 inHg of vacuum pressure every 10 to 15 seconds, quick release of 3 to 5 seconds, and continue for the next 15 to 20 minutes without overheating. I saw these in the manufacturing plants I seen them operating 8 hours a day, but those things are huge to prevent thermal breakdown. Not sure how long these will last. There are no internal schematics so I can't much about them.
92tmorgan
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The max on the phalbac device is 17Hg. Was watching a video on a guy review of it and he’s been using it daily for 3 years.
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Having your penis in that vaccum pressure are the next level.
I already tried in the 16 inHG for the BM and paid the 1.3 weeks price. I reduced it to 12inHg and achieved it with no issue. I'm creeping up to 13inHg in a week or two from now. I can achieve 13inHg without any issue for 20 seconds, but I can feel the extreme expansion, as if a nuclear bomb is about to blow up internally. The moment I even sense that feeling, pressure is immediately release back down to 10 within 5 seconds. Never allow the pressure to just expel within a second or two. This is too fast of a decompression. Same as releasing at any pressure above 5inHg. Slow it down to a 5 second release interval. This is to stabilize the internal pressure.
For the 17inHg, it's air so it's not as bad as water. You use water and, oh mother of pain, you will suffer sudden implosion. Air is much more forgiving. The vacuum tugging is actually around 8.3lbs of constant tugging. This mirrors the old method of swinging the weigh in a pendulum theory to yank on the internal tissues. I've done this as well back in 2005. That was not safe as the weights became rockets the moment they slipped. I'm still looking for similar system with good internal pumps. Most pumps I've read the schematic on is based on aquarium 650 gallons/hour type. Not enough. You need pneumatic type pumps designed for high pressure delivery system, something like AC servicing pumps at 2 to 3 cubic feet per minute.
Good argument
I showed the video with this device to a friend of mine who's scientist and he told me that probably its the Low-intensity shockwave therapy (LI-ESWT) that does the trick. Low-intensity shockwave therapy (LI-ESWT) is a non-invasive treatment for ED that involves delivering acoustic waves to the penis. LI-ESWT has been shown to promote angiogenesis, improve blood flow, and enhance erectile function by stimulating the release of angiogenic factors and activating cellular signaling pathways involved in tissue repair.
So, the trick here is the angiongenesis which I do not know how to force it myself lol
So, the trick here is the angiongenesis which I do not know how to force it myself lol
Praise the lord
Hi
Regarding the vibration part of it.
I recently saw that bathmade added new accesory called hydrovibe which you attach on the BM and it vibrates. Do you think they are trying to mimic that hack? Do you think it might be worth it?
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The Hydrovibe is merely to stimulate orgasms, not cellular breakdown. It's something like a vibrator for the ladies for their clitoris. Adding that to the Bathmate, they simply adding a new element of a vibrator into or onto a water toy.
If you want something of a LIST device for the Bathmate, you better be ready to incorporate high frequency modulating device that looks like a 4inx4in block of wood siting next to the Bathmate to fire a sufficient frequency level to go through both plastic and water media. A LIST device don't have that kind of power for the Bathmate. It looks like this:
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I do not understand the benefit of this expensive machine.
Using LengthMaster 3 for 1 year will get you to your dream size. If not just use it for 2 years and you will for sure be there.
Using LengthMaster 3 has a learning curve to it, but when you have optimized everything, you can gain length and width really fast (in relation to other methods).
I don't think the problem is length here but girth.
Having a machine do the girth for you, truth is, is amazing, if it is real. But with 20k you can buy a car. It's too much money. So, you think the benefits, and you decide, always backed up by scientific evidence but by people too.
For example, 5x5x3 is known by everyone here to give results with scientific evidence, and we have images of people's penises before and after.
With this machine...we have nothing. Everything is anonymous, which is somehow strange if the machine is actual good.
Also, you "rent" the machine and you dont buy it. C'mon
it is so LOL this thing, close the thread 
it has no meaning. Really.
LONGERDICK7+
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20 K for a device.. How does that work?
92tmorgan
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In regards to vibration for breaking down collagen I’ve made something like this to emulate the Phalback machine.
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I remember that motor. That used to be in one my my massaging chairs. Great implement method. Just be careful as the vibration may cause thin plexiglass wall to have micro fractures over time.
Unfortunately, breaking collagen bonds either requires direct force or ultrasonic vibration, minimum at 40Mhz (ultrasonic application is between 35 to 50 MHz). Most effective range is around 44 MHz. I can understand the application of the motor at 3,500 RPM to provide mechanical bases frequency to meet the shockwave application device specs. But the bad news is, it take 40MHz at minimum, and by translation that to RPM, that's 2.4 billions RPM is required.
However, that is one intense vibrator.
Can this phalback be replicated
Yes it can be replicated, duplicated, and further modified. However, someone with the knowledge program engineering must take control. Assembling the hardware is easy. Even an idiot like me can do it. But to assemble together a universal system interface will require the knowledge to assemble a specific motherboard, components to connect the various parts, and program the controllers from the ground up. I shown this device to a colleague of mine specialized in custome automotive and medical equipment research and developments, and he said the assembly did come from someone specialized in medical equipment research and development team. It should have take the person at least 4 years to develop it, with connection to distributors of medical parts.
If there is a way I know the brotherhood can find it
92tmorgan
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So far yes I’ve made an in pump PR with just one day of use but maybe that was just luck. I’ll report back in a week or so
*** Someone else using it on an extension device
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LONGERDICK7+
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Really creative any gains so far using that device?
Found what you are looking for. Extracorporeal Shockwave Therapy Machine.
The plate type used by the Phalback is a strip down of commercial broad transmitter that costs around $3200. The smaller ones that you can use at home to break and promote new collagen bonds is much cheaper, at $300 and all the way up to $2400. These smaller devices can do both isolation spots or broad spotting. The programming for the device at Elation is closely mirroring the one from Phalback. Oooo..I wonder who provided the programming to who.
Well, I spoke too soon. There are two components to this. One is the EST and the other is the LIST. The components use dual approach, where during the 5 minutes cycling when doing the extension/elongation, the LIST fires up to break the collagen. The EST fires up for 2 minutes during relaxing cycling to promote healing. It's a constant craziness.
By the way, the machine does indeed break down the acrylic tubing. There is a new cylinder being replaced for each person. My colleagues at the universities pointed out about micro fractures in the cylinder after 10 usage cycles. After so many cycles, the cylinder can be very brittle. Something to think about when using this on and through the cylinder's wall.
The plate type used by the Phalback is a strip down of commercial broad transmitter that costs around $3200. The smaller ones that you can use at home to break and promote new collagen bonds is much cheaper, at $300 and all the way up to $2400. These smaller devices can do both isolation spots or broad spotting. The programming for the device at Elation is closely mirroring the one from Phalback. Oooo..I wonder who provided the programming to who.
Well, I spoke too soon. There are two components to this. One is the EST and the other is the LIST. The components use dual approach, where during the 5 minutes cycling when doing the extension/elongation, the LIST fires up to break the collagen. The EST fires up for 2 minutes during relaxing cycling to promote healing. It's a constant craziness.
By the way, the machine does indeed break down the acrylic tubing. There is a new cylinder being replaced for each person. My colleagues at the universities pointed out about micro fractures in the cylinder after 10 usage cycles. After so many cycles, the cylinder can be very brittle. Something to think about when using this on and through the cylinder's wall.
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You mean something like this ? Oceanus PhysioLITE III - Shockwave Therapy Device
Isn't these devices for ED ? Aren't they like the angion method with vessels etc ?
I am really confused
Isn't these devices for ED ? Aren't they like the angion method with vessels etc ?
I am really confused
Yes. That is the cheaper model to start. How effective it is is still unknown. Most clinics will tell you that those radial shockwave treatment devices are not recommended because the claims are too miraculous without clinical results to back them up. Most of the true machines costs $10k and up. Stripped parts are $5k to $9k.
Yes, and no. Yes, clinically is has been reported that 15% of the patients that do continual treatments gave positive results. The rest 85% were sporadic treatment takers, thinking only two or three treatments were enough. Home treatments devices only have 2% success rate. Clinical machines have greater successes due to the proper power adjustment and delivery mechanism for "focus" and not "radial" application method. Focus application has up 60%, but very expensive. Radial is at 2%, and very cheap.
92tmorgan
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It’s 40Hz not 40MHz. So 2400 rpm would be 40Hz
Just like of throw things out there for reading pleasure:
This is the lower end on the MHz to perform scanning without breaking down the collagen bonding, aka ultrasonic scanning for pregnancy.
However, if you're talking about collagen hydrolizing (gentle breakdown and reforming), you need to add both heat at around 138F and steady frequency between 0.3MHz to 10MHz for a dermal routin for about 30 minutes with direct contact with skin:
Otherwise, quick burst of collagen breakdown in a few minutes at 40MHz or 44MHz, indirect contact, with gap and media up to 2cm. This is where the focus and not radial shockwave therapy comes in.
If you're using a home-base extracoporeal radial, even focused, shockwave therapy devices, it can range very low anywhere between 5Hz to as 60Hz, with direct skin contact. This means absolutely no media (such as water and solid plexiglass) in between the skin and the transducing device. Yes, this has been discussed in length in the urological publications for nearly 10 years now. The debates has always been "low frequency and home base affordable" devices can do as good as "proven clinical high specs devices". The results? There were definitely medical results for the lower end spectrums. Here's an example of the publication in 2018:
I've been following these publications since the trial run going back as far as 2002, when they switched from ultrasonic through subcutaneous fat liquifaction (body slimming using ultrasonic devices) to isolated erectile dysfunction trial runs. I'm still connected to the symposia and the members that are deliberating on their findings.
But, do take the marketing ploys with a bucket of very harsh salts. Some sudden discoveries and publications will pull scam artists out of the woodworks to market devices of various promises to desperate people. This is why I become the voice of reason for the brotherhood. I'm not afraid to be a test subject and perform mods for the fun of it, but there are limits on what I want to waste money on. Just to show you what I mean about them running with a finding at low frequency:
This is so called low frequency at 30Hz, but most manufacturer doesn't indicate the collagen bond must be directly influenced/applied after heating at 100C/212F. The application temperature is 138F based on facial tissue treatments discovered in the past 2 decades. So, to apply this, you need your water to be at 138F, that's practically scolding for your penis, and the device must be in contact with your penis even at 40Hz.
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I crack up every time I read the commentary from the text message (2024-04-20 Day 2). Can't believe the pressure going into the 60inHg (extreme pressure in the red). Yikes.
Last known record of the session is May 20th (2024-05-20 Session 44 of 180). Comparatively between Session 1 to Session 44, there's a noticeable prominent curvature of 12 degrees, or even at 18 degrees, to the left. This is where LM and SRT routines come into play while lengthening both laterally (sideways) and longitudinal (length wise). Not sure what will happen if the pumping keeps going until Session 180 without corrective measure for the early stages of Peyronie's.
Last known record of the session is May 20th (2024-05-20 Session 44 of 180). Comparatively between Session 1 to Session 44, there's a noticeable prominent curvature of 12 degrees, or even at 18 degrees, to the left. This is where LM and SRT routines come into play while lengthening both laterally (sideways) and longitudinal (length wise). Not sure what will happen if the pumping keeps going until Session 180 without corrective measure for the early stages of Peyronie's.
Perfect explanation on vibration therapy (not shockwave therapy):
I can break the language down even further for the layman if needed.
I can break the language down even further for the layman if needed.
60 in.Hg vaccum pressure, that is penis destruction vaccum pressure.
You get much nicer and more beautiful growth with SRT and LengthMaster 3.
Length is not everything. You want a beautiful penis as well. At least this is my viewpoint on everything.
@oldandlively do they use water in this system (to pump the penis with), if not this may be the reason for the uneven growth.
High pressure pump with high cycling cannot use water or it will suffocate the pumping diaphragms. There were multiple tests on the manual high speed pumps, with water traps, and those motors still suffered due to intrusive water. The reason why the Phalback can go so hard and fast is because of air-only approach.
The uneven growth is not just because of air only system. It's because the tissues are being pull so hard and fast without manual corrections as we use dynamic and static twist through the bundling. @DLD incorporated the manual methods with the Power Assist, after his experimentation with pure arm strength power, and later to incorporate the full Length Master method to increase the dynamic ranges of correction control. Pumps without inserts to correct the tissue growths will only cause more poor out-of-control growth. Traction devices are hot commodities to correct errors, but the amount of time to sink into them is pure insane.
I used them all. So far, only the Length Master comes out on top to promote elongation growth, while maintain equalized the growth path based on the amount of corrective control being put into the routines. It promoted the greatest control for your needs so far. Ask brother @squirt_inducer_man if he noticed the curvature reduction from the Length Master usages. I compared his photos he posted and notices a high angle correction during his journey. His original banana shape became less banana and more like a lightly curved cucumber. Using a either a traction or stretcher device, or even wrapped with a corrective curving tool (coated shoehorn for comforts), the curvature can be corrected easily.
I would recommend this guy that use this overengineered device to stop using it, and join mattersofsize.com instead.
He's penis would grow more beautifully with LengthMaster 3 and MityVac (pumping with water, SRT).
No dick shaming here (would never do that), but he really needs to think about what he is doing in an objective way.
Penis enlargement is a permanent thing, and what I have seen the growth is not evenly distributed throughout his penis.
I hope he sees this tread.
Please can someone, make this guy aware of this thread (the guy that use this device).
I believe he don't know about all options.
I'll watch out
How did you get that cupping pump to go 15s (I have the same one, but it maxes out at 9.5s)?
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