New 20k PE device

[92tmorgan]

New device made by Phalback says it guarantees 1.3” in length and 1” of girth in 90 days or money back.
The device costs 20k to use and you only get to rent it for 90 days.
It looks like a pump machine that provides vibration. Sounds almost too good to be true. You be the judge.

https://www.phalback.com/increase-your-size

Here’s a guy that’s currently using it.

https://chadthunderpeen.wordpress.com/2024/04/19/2024-04-19-day-1/

 

[colossaltitan]

The R3dd1t moderator using it will hopefully stay consistent with documenting his results and we'll see if it's any good.
But even if it works the barrier of entry which in this case is the cost is far too great and won't be accessible to 99% of people.

 

[92tmorgan]

The R3dd1t moderator using it will hopefully stay consistent with documenting his results and we'll see if it's any good.
But even if it works the barrier of entry which in this case is the cost is far too great and won't be accessible to 99% of people.

Yeah I’m sure he will. He seems pretty thorough.
And yeah you’re exactly right about the cost but imagine when people reverse engineer it for a fraction of the price.

That was day 1 and he’s on day 3 now. Making steady increases

 

[DLD]

That's alot of money my advice is to go for the 5x5x3 and your gains will be steady

 

[92tmorgan]

That's alot of money my advice is to go for the 5x5x3 and your gains will be steady

Agreed. A lot of money and that’s just to rent the machine. You don’t even own it.
But 1.3” in length and 1” in girth in 90 days is pretty insane. Exciting stuff.

 

[DLD]

Agreed. A lot of money and that’s just to rent the machine. You don’t even own it.
But 1.3” in length and 1” in girth in 90 days is pretty insane. Exciting stuff.

Be careful not to fall for lies companies promise. Check them out

 

[92tmorgan]

Be careful not to fall for lies companies promise. Check them out

Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

 

[DLD]

Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

Good, just be smart

 

[oldandlively]

Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

Now you're making me very curious. 15 minutes on, 30 minutes a day, no traction force indicated, 17 inHg, "vibration" usage is the same as ultrasonic device used for tissue scar clinical device. The tension force got me curious to compare to the Length Master self inducing traction force. All the tugs pull against only tissues and not ligaments. This is all soft tissue stretching to the extreme.

 

[92tmorgan]

Now you're making me very curious. 15 minutes on, 30 minutes a day, no traction force indicated, 17 inHg, "vibration" usage is the same as ultrasonic device used for tissue scar clinical device. The tension force got me curious to compare to the Length Master self inducing traction force. All the tugs pull against only tissues and not ligaments. This is all soft tissue stretching to the extreme.

Yes exactly. And interval training with it as well. He’s on day 6 and has gained half an inch inside the tube. And he’s not new to PE. He’s been doing it for years.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

So... This is dynamic stretching with shockwaves.

Lets think about this a bit... Hypothesis: Hot water or Hot air (For collagen malliability), pump cycling from -5hg to -10hg etc. Hold there for 5-10sec. Add massage gun with highest setting. (Unless you cum like mustard tube.)

Could work? But needs narrow tube.

 

[Infected Mushroom]

It seems that while dynamic stretching is done, waves are added to make collagen "ripped". When heat is added, this could be easier to do. Btw... Machine is straight from Fallout.

 

[oldandlively]

Yes exactly. And interval training with it as well. He’s on day 6 and has gained half an inch inside the tube. And he’s not new to PE. He’s been doing it for years.

Half inch in the tube is very common. I gain the same in the ADS, and at time, 1 full inch, after half hour of warmup stretching. I thought I went crazy at times, but once your tissues are suffiicient pre-stretched, the tissues will not fight back. It will relax. But for it to work within a few minutes, I can understand why with a massive rental price tag.

I already researched into the shockwave "vibration" therapy a few years ago. This is an old technology being incorporated to modern medical practices. Think about fat cell destruction through vibration/ultrasonic and cold treatment. It's been in practices since the early 1990s. The vibration system was incorporated since the 1960s through interesting gadgets.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

20k .... Just for the rent..

 

[92tmorgan]

So... This is dynamic stretching with shockwaves.

Lets think about this a bit... Hypothesis: Hot water or Hot air (For collagen malliability), pump cycling from -5hg to -10hg etc. Hold there for 5-10sec. Add massage gun with highest setting. (Unless you cum like mustard tube.)

Could work? But needs narrow tube.

I’d love to see someone reverse engineer it. I’m sure someone will eventually for a fraction of the price.

Interesting to see they have their customers go into the tube flacid

Half inch in the tube is very common. I gain the same in the ADS, and at time, 1 full inch, after half hour of warmup stretching. I thought I went crazy at times, but once your tissues are suffiicient pre-stretched, the tissues will not fight back. It will relax. But for it to work within a few minutes, I can understand why with a massive rental price tag.

I already researched into the shockwave "vibration" therapy a few years ago. This is an old technology being incorporated to modern medical practices. Think about fat cell destruction through vibration/ultrasonic and cold treatment. It's been in practices since the early 1990s. The vibration system was incorporated since the 1960s through interesting gadgets.

yeah it’s definitely for a certain clientele. But at least 1.3” of length and 1” of girth in 90 days guaranteed is pretty wild.

20k .... Just for the rent..

Yeah just to rent for 90 days and then you send it back. Wild

 

[Infected Mushroom]

20K is so called "cream crust" prize. Overprized as hell, but possible because there aren't any competition.

 

[92tmorgan]

20K is so called "cream crust" prize. Overprized as hell, but possible because there aren't any competition.

Definitely overpriced. But I’m sure the rich that want to add an Inch in length and girth quickly will shell it out

 

[oldandlively]

I'm thinking out loud at the moment:

The cheapest and reliable low intensity shockwave therapy (LIST) you can grab for home usage is around $800. There is no upper limit. However, the LIST has its limitation of 1cm away from the focused tissue. Based on the unit's demonstration so far, the LIST is constant at 5cm away.

Now, do think about this for a moment. The tube is technically forcing your lateral tissues to break down and become elongate for the forced length session. The dynamic tugging is practically the same as the ADS on while walking, which I do for cycling, jogging, and running. The tension force at -17inHg, which is equivalent to around 8.3lbs of dynamic tension force every 10 to 15 seconds, with 5 seconds cycling. Ah hah! I was dead on when I told you guys about 7lbs of tension dynamic tension force while wearing the ADS, and no more than 10lbs.

Sorry to say, but this is not nuclear science. It's biological and physical sciences that MOS already employed, at a lower cost. However, the only new element is the cellular disturbance technology that had been long used by medical and therapeutic fields. No one has the cash to fork it out due the costs of the equipment. BUT, I believe the LIST machines are getting cheaper and cheaper now. I may be investing in one in the future.

 

[92tmorgan]

I'm thinking out loud at the moment:

The cheapest and reliable low intensity shockwave therapy (LIST) you can grab for home usage is around $800. There is no upper limit. However, the LIST has its limitation of 1cm away from the focused tissue. Based on the unit's demonstration so far, the LIST is constant at 5cm away.

Now, do think about this for a moment. The tube is technically forcing your lateral tissues to break down and become elongate for the forced length session. The dynamic tugging is practically the same as the ADS on while walking, which I do for cycling, jogging, and running. The tension force at -17inHg, which is equivalent to around 8.3lbs of dynamic tension force every 10 to 15 seconds, with 5 seconds cycling. Ah hah! I was dead on when I told you guys about 7lbs of tension dynamic tension force while wearing the ADS, and no more than 10lbs.

Sorry to say, but this is not nuclear science. It's biological and physical sciences that MOS already employed, at a lower cost. However, the only new element is the cellular disturbance technology that had been long used by medical and therapeutic fields. No one has the cash to fork it out due the costs of the equipment. BUT, I believe the LIST machines are getting cheaper and cheaper now. I may be investing in one in the future.

Yeah I’m sure there’s an optimal frequency for the vibration inside the tube? If someone could replicate all of this it would be amazing

 

[oldandlively]

Yeah I’m sure there’s an optimal frequency for the vibration inside the tube? If someone could replicate all of this it would be amazing

Actually, I already calculated at 42 MHz going through the plastic tube wall based on the required LIST info and previous 24 clinical and published medical journals. The problem is micro banding in an effective fan shape, or even in a box shape pattern. This is where the expenses lay due to power adjustment and programming. Time to recruit a hardware and software geek.

 

[DLD]

Half inch in the tube is very common. I gain the same in the ADS, and at time, 1 full inch, after half hour of warmup stretching. I thought I went crazy at times, but once your tissues are suffiicient pre-stretched, the tissues will not fight back. It will relax. But for it to work within a few minutes, I can understand why with a massive rental price tag.

I already researched into the shockwave "vibration" therapy a few years ago. This is an old technology being incorporated to modern medical practices. Think about fat cell destruction through vibration/ultrasonic and cold treatment. It's been in practices since the early 1990s. The vibration system was incorporated since the 1960s through interesting gadgets.

Agree

 

[92tmorgan]

Actually, I already calculated at 42 MHz going through the plastic tube wall based on the required LIST info and previous 24 clinical and published medical journals. The problem is micro banding in an effective fan shape, or even in a box shape pattern. This is where the expenses lay due to power adjustment and programming. Time to recruit a hardware and software geek.

I think you’re onto something about the 42 MHz. I saw someone else say 40.
Wonder what a vibrating cock ring MHz is.

Do you think the tube is specially made so that it has a specific resonance frequency to potentiate vibration?

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

What is this device you speak of?
I have looked at the website, but the one picture they have are not clear.
- Why do they not want to show the device clearly?

No ligaments pullig while enlargement are happening? Are they overpromizing on the speed of gains?

Okay. Apperently the ligaments also stretch.
But will you gain faster then doing manual stretches with your hands or LengthMaster 3.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Saw some more picures now.

 

[DLD]

Saw some more picures now.

What are your thoughts?

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

What are your thoughts?

Trying to cheat (just joking).

But if it works, it works.
It will be very interesting to see the results from this guy. But not many will have access to it.

https://chadthunderpeen.wordpress.com/2024/04/19/2024-04-19-day-1/

But can't imagine that it will work better then LengthMaster 3 for length gains.

But girth gains it may out perform LengthMaster 3.
But what about the thickness? LengthMaster 3 will give you so much penis thickness, especially with doing BTC bundled stretches behind the cheeks with 5 minutes holds and with the attachment at the base.

To soon to know really.
Very interesting device.

 

[DLD]

I think it is a scam and ridiculously expensive

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I think it is a scam and ridiculously expensive

Can be!

 

[DLD]

Can be!

I have spent 22 years in this business and nothing has ever trumped SRT. I find that to be impossible. I hate to see brothers waste their money on something so expensive and with amazing claims. I have used everything available for pe and have not found anything that compares to our powerful methods and equipment

 

[oldandlively]

I think you’re onto something about the 42 MHz. I saw someone else say 40.
Wonder what a vibrating cock ring MHz is.

Do you think the tube is specially made so that it has a specific resonance frequency to potentiate vibration?

40Hz direct subdermal site application is the normal low intensity frequency uses. Think of ultrasound for scanning fetuses during pregnancy. The 2Mhz extra is to allow sound to penetrate the plastic/glass media, the tube, without the sound behind dispersed. We came up with this calculation long ago for arthritis and scarring tissues application in hospital environment in place of surgeries. It works only 40% of the time. However, the fats and collagens breakdown is indeed solid. Fats and collagens breaks down between 35 MHz and 48MHz. That's the same as standing in front of a 8 feet fall stadium speaker. Yeah..fat loss and hearing loss at the same time.

However, the frequency is one thing. But the truth behind it is the silent banding during usage. You should not be hearing anything, but do feel the vibration. The energy loading should be around 1500 watts with cycles of 5 seconds. I have a feeling of being nuked in the microwave.

 

[92tmorgan]

40Hz direct subdermal site application is the normal low intensity frequency uses. Think of ultrasound for scanning fetuses during pregnancy. The 2Mhz extra is to allow sound to penetrate the plastic/glass media, the tube, without the sound behind dispersed. We came up with this calculation long ago for arthritis and scarring tissues application in hospital environment in place of surgeries. It works only 40% of the time. However, the fats and collagens breakdown is indeed solid. Fats and collagens breaks down between 35 MHz and 48MHz. That's the same as standing in front of a 8 feet fall stadium speaker. Yeah..fat loss and hearing loss at the same time.

However, the frequency is one thing. But the truth behind it is the silent banding during usage. You should not be hearing anything, but do feel the vibration. The energy loading should be around 1500 watts with cycles of 5 seconds. I have a feeling of being nuked in the microwave.

If any one can reverse engineer this on this forum it’s you. Haha

 

[92tmorgan]

I think it is a scam and ridiculously expensive

Ridiculously expensive. Yes. Scam… we will see. So far not a single client of there’s has asked for their money back on the 1” or more money back guarantee. The guy testing it currently has no affiliation and is doing a daily blog on it. Will be interesting to see.

It’ll be for the rich and lazy. All they have to do is put some lube on, put it on and press start.

 

[oldandlively]

Actually, there are mini versions of these on AliExpress in terms of air vacuum through intermediate cycling. The max vac pressure is 10inHg. Not enough when it comes to air. It requires 15 to 20 inHg for tugging against all soft tissues.

I found three manufacturers with compact cycling pneumatic vac system, the size of a shoe box. The kicker is the programming requirement for an all controlling interface. Everything else is putting the parts together. I even found a manufacturer that sells the compact LIST power modulator and directional caster. The price tag is $1100. Yeah...3 months at $20K vs 1 year at $600, and you have the equipment for life. Don't know about that heavy price tag.

 

[DLD]

The price is disturbing

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I have spent 22 years in this business and nothing has ever trumped SRT. I find that to be impossible. I hate to see brothers waste their money on something so expensive and with amazing claims. I have used everything available for pe and have not found anything that compares to our powerful methods and equipment

SRT is the shit.
Talking about 1" length gains.
That is not much when we know what SRT can do for you.

SRT will for sure get you there faster.
Imagine using this expensive machine, and then compressing your penis in you pants immediately. The gains will be slow.

 

[DLD]

SRT is the shit.
Talking about 1" length gains.
That is not much when we know what SRT can do for you.

SRT will for sure get you there faster.
Imagine using this expensive machine, and then compressing your penis in you pants immediately. The gains will be slow.

No other system can deliver this. I worked on SRT for many years to produce the growth it brings. I am not against new methods just saying make sure it is legit. If someone who has found a wonderful piece of equipment that works as well I will invest in it to bring to our awesome store

 

[kriskros]

The device seems pretty convenient but why is it different from extreme pumping with hydro vibrating rings ? Also is there someone alive with huge penis and hard rock etections that came out of this ?

 

[oldandlively]

The device seems pretty convenient but why is it different from extreme pumping with hydro vibrating rings ? Also is there someone alive with huge penis and hard rock etections that came out of this ?

This is why I'm very interested in the results. I already figured out the mechanics behind the devices, as well as the biological influences by the mechanics for the growth. However, no one posted the journey for this device and the post-results after 1 year. What the device does is exactly what the brothers are doing. We're focusing on more manual approaches over the automation side of the devices. The only unique feature of this is the addition of the LIST (low intensity sound therapy) added to the routine. It's a very pricey module.

 

[DLD]

The device seems pretty convenient but why is it different from extreme pumping with hydro vibrating rings ? Also is there someone alive with huge penis and hard rock etections that came out of this ?

I was thinking along the same lines

 

[kriskros]

Shockwave therapy is being used in andrologist Institutes to help with ED and blood vessel problems.
To me, based on their info, they agree that the methodology of bundled stretches and MOSRED before girth routine is the right approach for max results. At least this is what i understood.

 

[oldandlively]

Shockwave therapy is being used in andrologist Institutes to help with ED and blood vessel problems.
To me, based on their info, they agree that the methodology of bundled stretches and MOSRED before girth routine is the right approach for max results. At least this is what i understood.

Correct. Medical fields are studying penile enhancement under mechanical processes are being more relevant and popular. We had a massive laughter with my old retired professors about this, but his old department has a few master and PhD students doing the studies now. I'm not sure when the publication will be released, but I'm stoked. By the way, the shockwave (LIST) is one of the studies. This is why it got me interested a few years ago.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Correct. Medical fields are studying penile enhancement under mechanical processes are being more relevant and popular. We had a massive laughter with my old retired professors about this, but his old department has a few master and PhD students doing the studies now. I'm not sure when the publication will be released, but I'm stoked. By the way, the shockwave (LIST) is one of the studies. This is why it got me interested a few years ago.

Don't know if it's similar but I used DLD Plyometric Stretch when I was stretching with LengthMaster 3. The best way to describe the interesy so everyone will understand the level, is that I tried to pull my penis from my body. I do not even are joking.

Some days I had maximum elongation after only 10 minutes, and was forced to end my session.
This means + ~2 cm of flaccid stretched length after session.

It was supposed to be 10 min x 2 times.

*Edit: Added a little bit of information.

 

[DLD]

Don't know if it's similar but I used DLD Plyometric Stretch when I was stretching with LengthMaster 3. The best way to describe the interesy so everyone will understand the level, is that I tried to pull my penis from my body. I do not even are joking.

Some days I had maximum elongation after only 10 minutes, and was forced to end my session.
This means + ~2 cm of flaccid stretched length after session.

It was supposed to be 10 min x 2 times.

*Edit: Added a little bit of information.

Wow I made that exercise over 18 years ago

 

[92tmorgan]

This is why I'm very interested in the results. I already figured out the mechanics behind the devices, as well as the biological influences by the mechanics for the growth. However, no one posted the journey for this device and the post-results after 1 year. What the device does is exactly what the brothers are doing. We're focusing on more manual approaches over the automation side of the devices. The only unique feature of this is the addition of the LIST (low intensity sound therapy) added to the routine. It's a very pricey module.

Maybe something like this

https://ctc-company.com/product_info.php/4000-digital-maximizer-p-37

With some type of vibrating cock ring?

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

No other system can deliver this. I worked on SRT for many years to produce the growth it brings. I am not against new methods just saying make sure it is legit. If someone who has found a wonderful piece of equipment that works as well I will invest in it to bring to our awesome store

Wow I made that exercise over 18 years ago

And I was growing like weed with it. Thank you for that.

 

[oldandlively]

Maybe something like this

https://ctc-company.com/product_info.php/4000-digital-maximizer-p-37

With some type of vibrating cock ring?

Something similar. Too many in the market nowadays. Hard to keep track which has proper functionality vs effectiveness.

 

[92tmorgan]

Something similar. Too many in the market nowadays. Hard to keep track which has proper functionality vs effectiveness.

Supposedly this has been around for some years and a couple guys swear by it

 

[DLD]

And I was growing like weed with it. Thank you for that.

Wow it always blows my mind seeing men finding some of my foundational exercises.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Wow it always blows my mind seeing men finding some of my foundational exercises.

I did study the MOS DVD.
Gave me many idea's.

 

[oldandlively]

Supposedly this has been around for some years and a couple guys swear by it

A couple swear by it vs a group is a bit discouraging. It may work for 1 out of doze users. But question is always the "consistent gains" vs "an outlier gain". If there's more than one gain out of every 5, that's a success.