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Something happened recently that I wished would never ever happen. I have been best friends with my Son, Armand, since he was very young. He is 12 now. This past summer was so incredible, we spent everyday together going to movies, playing, swimming, fishing, exploring, talking, sharing music, just everything. It was so happy for me, the best feeling in the world. But I guess the inevitable is happening, he is growing up. Since school started last week (he is in the 7th grade) he is more interested in playing with his friends than me. I know it is the normal progression of a child but it still breaks my heart. I want to stop time and keep him the age he is forever and ever. I know this is not possible but I am lost on how to handle my own emotions. Just wondering how the Dad's have handled this. It would also be awesome for the younger members, who have gone through this and still remember, to relate their own emotions and thoughts during this change. I guess I am looking for comfort. Most of you already know that I am an extremely emotional man and it takes me time to process this type of thing, remember how long it took me to get over Jen? Thanks in advance, I know ya'll will come through:)

Mike
 
Well "Old Man" as a Dad myself (boys 19 & 16) first I gotta tell ya congrats. Because you have given your son strength enough so that he doesn't need to be constantly attached to you. You've given him courage to go out into the world and experience new, challenging and at times possibly even frightening things. And you've given him a solid enough character so that he knows he's valuable to and accepted by other people.

In short; your young boy is well on his way to becoming an adult. He'll always be your child, he won't always be your kid. Watching that transformation take place is the very epitome of mixed emotions:
You want more than anything else to see your son grow into a strong, capable, mature human being and contributing member of society....And yet; the adorable little guy you used to tuck in at night is one of your fondest memories, and damn don't it hurt for it to fade to simply a memory.

I've been a single Dad since '95, andone of the "traditions" I started for me and my guys was Sunday chicken. After doin' whatever we'd do that particular weekend I'd cook a big ol' roast chicken with whatever sides we'd all decide on. We'd have everything all ready for a new school/work week then we'd all chow down, then clean up and it'd be about crash time by then.
And I never felt more satisfied as when I'd make my "Dad rounds" later that night and listen to my kids sleeping, knowing that they fell asleep with no worries whatsoever.
I felt really fulfilled.

As time went on...they inevitably grew and the outside influences became more and more predominant in their lives. Those times of innocence were, unfortunately, gone forever, and the teenage growing pains, with their attendant complications, became an almost constant part of all of our lives.
My oldest seems to have come through those difficult years relatively whole minded (he was nowhere NEAR as bad as I was at his age) but my youngest has a few more hurdles to overcome.

No matter how hard you try; they need to grow and learn on their own. Some of the hardest decisions I've ever made involved holding back and letting my kids take their lumps so as to learn the invaluable lessons they'd need to learn.
Because I truly believe that character is built through response to adversity.

As your kid becomes more and more independent of you I would offer this advice: Try as hard as you can to remember yourself at his age, while being as aware as you can be of HIS WORLD. Not yours, or mine or the "grownup" world in general, but his world; of his friends, his perceptions, his aspirations and his obstacles.

Try to be aware as possible of any trends that may spell trouble in his future as well as any natural talents or abilities you both might want to make the absolute most of.

You just might also go through the period where you ain't cool no more....it'll pass. The hardest part about parenting, (for me, anyways) is the delicate balance of pushing enough to get through to 'em...but not pushing so hard that they go away. You will, most likely, have personality clashes; that's natural too, just don't take them personally, they're just another indication that your kid has a dynamic personality.

After it's all said and done one of the most gratifying things you'll ever hear is, "Thanks Dad...you were right."
And I don't mean that at all in a smug way; I mean it as him recognizing that all your hard work and sacrifice actually had a positive influence on his life, and that he recognizes that and is truly appreciative.
And maybe that's something of lasting value your son can pass on to your GRANDCHILDREN.
(Made ya feel real old on that one, huh?!)

Good luck, all the best.
 
Hey Mike, know what you are going through. But here is a principle. Hang on to them and you will lose them. Let them go and you will keep them. As our children get older they will spend less and less time with us. That is hard. But it is true. If we try and hold them, they rebel against that. Let them try their wings and support them when needed. Be there when he needs you and he will come around. Force yourself on him and he will run from you. I know, been through this. Be glad for the great times you had recently. I am here for you. GS
 
Hi Mike,

Great advice from M. and G.S. I remember when my kid entered Junior High. The principal said kids at your son's age feel like they are on stage, the center of the universe, (what else is knew?), and that everyone is gazing at them.

Their bodies are changing, they feel "different," and of course in a way they ARE DIFFERENT. I agree that all you can do is back off, but of course still be there when he turns to you for help and support--which he will.

I like the idea of creating a special time or event of the week, (or whatever), to share with him. Of course, it may have to revolve around his schedule. That's part of the give and take--the struggle for him to become independent. He will surely remember that you were always there for him--especially at this awkward age.

Remember that his friends will become paramount at this age. I remember the sadness and pain I felt when this happened to my one and only child.

Good luck, dear friend. This too shall pass.
 
Thank you so much for your advice, it helped me feel so much better. I will always feel a little sad about the age of innocence ending but I will cherish the times to come. It helps that you Dad's out there have gone through this, it is so valuable to me that you can relate on this level.

GermanStallion, you have always been there as a Father Figure for me. With every experience I go through you calm, kind disposition comforts me. You have given me so much support at my most needy times and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It is such a special thing to have known you for all these years:)

MAXAMEYES, your advice also helped me see how there is a normal, healthy progression from youth into adulthood. I could be very selfish now but I see that I do need to let go...not that I can right now, but I will work on it. You are a very wise man.

goinfor11x7, The idea of a special Dad and Son day sounds so special. A day where we can just be our selves, reminisce and watch each other grow. I have thought about this since I read it and it is the perfect compromise. Armand and I spent today together, he was so happy, so young so precious these moments mean so much to me. Thank you:)

Pandora, I see him every day. I am so happy I started [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], there were times that I thought it would never get to where it is today but it did and this position affords me so much time to spend with him.

Thanks Guys:)
 
I'm glad I read. This kinda makes me feel bad for trying to distance myself from my family so much starting at the age your (DLD) son is at right now. By the time I was 15, I rarely ever ate dinner with my family, let alone making time for anything real meaningful. Hopefully, karma won't be a bitch to me when I'm in your position.
 
goldmember said:
I'm glad I read. This kinda makes me feel bad for trying to distance myself from my family so much starting at the age your (DLD) son is at right now. By the time I was 15, I rarely ever ate dinner with my family, let alone making time for anything real meaningful. Hopefully, karma won't be a bitch to me when I'm in your position.

I left my home when I was 12 and went out on my own. It was a very difficult way to grow up but I learned very quickly. I spent most of my upbringing in the ghettos of DC and I had to be a man at a very young age. I feel badly that I was not the special son that Armand is to me. I would not change a thing as I have been able to teach him the way life "really" is.

Karma are seeds we plant and they do eventually come to life but remember, at any time we can prune, uproot or replant...the beauty of life is learning from our mistakes and becoming better men because of it.
 
I only got to see my dad once a week :( i would not want to see him everyday not when i was 14 i would want to play football with my mates or be with them.
 
I too left home at a relatively early age, (17) and never really went back, except an occasional (rare) visit. I had my path to follow;

Mike, you had yours. So did we all. I have regrets, but that's life. We each have our own special journey--and so do our children.
 
I'm going through this as well, myself my son turned 13 back in July. He is somewhat emotionally fragile, mostly I think it's lack of confidence (oldest child syndrome). I think back My Dad was My second best friend until he died 14 years ago.
I can only hope my son and I can be pals after he is an adult, time will tell.
 
Some really good posts in this thread. This may come off as cheesy or "preachy" but I'll let it fly anyway. Mike, give all your worry and pain about this situation to God. We're all men here, as such our propensity to fail is pretty dependable. Speak from the heart and ask God to bring you and your son through this. Believe in His will on this matter and not your own. Be vigilant in your prayers about this and walk in faith, not by sight.

This year has been the worst of my life and some thing happened to me quite recently that officially brought me to rock bottom. I thought I was done. I turned away from God along time ago but He never forgot about me. Once I realized this and trusted in him and not myself, what can I say? The results have renewed my faith a thousand times over. Now you just gave me some more material for my prayer list. ;)
 
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doublelongdaddy said:
I left my home when I was 12 and went out on my own. It was a very difficult way to grow up but I learned very quickly. I spent most of my upbringing in the ghettos of DC and I had to be a man at a very young age. I feel badly that I was not the special son that Armand is to me. I would not change a thing as I have been able to teach him the way life "really" is.

Karma are seeds we plant and they do eventually come to life but remember, at any time we can prune, uproot or replant...the beauty of life is learning from our mistakes and becoming better men because of it.

I also left home at the age of 12. In 23 years I've had 26 different homes in 3 different countries. I got involved in the drug scene very early and ended up having some very bad experiences which made to grow up fast.

It's true that our every action and thought will effect us in some way for the rest of our lives. I suppose the key is to become a metaprogrammer.
 
We all have our paths to walk and our lessons to learn and, strangely, when we think you have no strength left to walk, we still walk, and when we think we have no lessons left to learn; we still learn.

And sometimes, when we are fortunate, we can look ahead in our paths and learn from that which we haven't yet experienced.

And if we are truly fortunate we can pass on our lessons to our loved ones to make their paths more rewarding. Not necessarily easier, but with greater gains for a given effort. Helping them to avoid monumental mistakes while still experiencing the full richness life has to offer.

I never fully appreciated the trouble I caused as a dumb-ass kid until I had teenagers of my own. So now I'm giving back a little bit more and more every day to those I owe so much to.
So, even at my age; I'm still walkin' and learnin'.
Hope to never stop.
 
I'm still walkin' and learnin' and I'm a generation your senior!! ;)


If we stop "walkin' and learnin'", we might as well be dead.


Keep on "keeping on", good men!!!



:P
 
The Chinese have a superstition(a name the ignorant give to their ignorance) that the demons of the father come back to haunt there children and it is particularly prevalent in the first born son. But only if the father doesn't conquer his demons. Your son is a different person to you his life path is different if you try and make him go in a way that you want him to go it will be destructive for both of you. Just pay an interest to what he wants to do and support him, remember he can't learn from your mistakes. I understand this is a very positive thing in your life compared to your past. He is only 12 so remember that your needs to spend time with him come second to his desire to spend time with his friends. Just let him know that nothing is off limits to talk about and you will be supportive in whatever he wants to do. Hope it all works out for you mate.
 
Hey Mike, I just moved away from my house myself. I know too that from around high school on up I started spending dramatically less time with my parents. Getting a job, hanging out with friends, going to class, getting my license. But hey, its just a part of the whole situation. My parents knew that I needed to get away and I love them for it because it made everything a lot better. You know, less arguing and harsh feelings. Every day after school I give them a call just to talk.

On a less serious note though, are you going to teach your boy the tools of the trade? Because the second generation would be nothing short of a genius. (Take Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker for example lol)


But really, I know that you are an at home person so you are going to notice it a lot more than a parent who works away from home. Your relationship will always be strong whether you are there or not. You could also encourage him to have friends over to play video games, watch movies, whatever. Same stuff you normally do, just with the friends included. I hope this helps.
 
Wow, now my baby is in 10th grade and we are closer than ever...16 is a great age! It is amazing to look back on threads like this and see how much I have grown.
 
doublelongdaddy;370018 said:
Wow, now my baby is in 10th grade and we are closer than ever...16 is a great age! It is amazing to look back on threads like this and see how much I have grown.

HA!! Let him know that you called him your baby in a public forum and watch the whoop-ass begin !! I remember my oldest two at that age...and if you can actually say that 16 is a great age then both you and yer little guy deserve medals! Congratulations Mike, sincerely.
 
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