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Even if it was never utilized for "drug" purposes...medical or recreational. You have to read this article.
Marijuana could have been a BILLION DOLLAR cash crop...'38 Popular Mechanics Article.
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aares said:
I really hope that wasnt an insult. This article was proof that our country is missing out on a huge cash crop.
What about sisal fiber? That shit is just as strong and durable. Lets see...hemp chapstick, hemp lotion, hemp shampoo, hemp massage oil, hemp moisturizing cream, countless bags, backpacks, coats, pants, shorts, shirts, hoodies, belts, shoes, the many types of pasta's, flour, COFFEE FILTERS, coffee, pretzels, all made from hemp, and the list keeps going on...how much more variation in the economy do you need?
The only reason I believe that there are so many hemp products, is because those pot-heads want the shit legalized so they can be high all the time, and they start trying to make different products out of hemp so everyone can see its natural and how awesome it is.
The only reason I believe that there are so many hemp products, is because those pot-heads want the shit legalized so they can be high all the time, and they start trying to make different products out of hemp so everyone can see its natural and how awesome it is.
aares said:
Hey, keep in mind this is coming from the guy (aares) who believes that people steal and become criminals to feed their marijuana habit. lol
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Note taken about aares. THere's only one reason anyone ever does anything after all ya know. Yea, I'm sure the publishers of Popular Mechanics were all smokin' a bowl when they let that article out. 
No reason, IMO, to have pot illegal. How can people justify the legality of alcohol, tobacco, or even McDonald's food and still argue with a straight face that pot is too harmful.
Pot is more harmful being illegal than if it were legal. What I mean by that is people often call pot a "gateway" drug. Well it is. Because it's easy to get, cheap (relatively), people use it and once they've taken that step across the line and see that pot is not so bad, they are more open to trying other things. Plus they have now dealt with persons dealing that might deal other stuff or at least have connections.
If pot were legal, the first step over the line would have to be much bigger (substance wise and money wise), and I think fewer people would cross over as easily. Just my opinion.
Besides, I have seen several studies to show that pot is LESS harmful the tobacco. The whole reason pot was outlawed in the first place was to target the Mexicans in the early 20th century. Just think on how much tax dollars could be raised by legalizing it.
Pot is more harmful being illegal than if it were legal. What I mean by that is people often call pot a "gateway" drug. Well it is. Because it's easy to get, cheap (relatively), people use it and once they've taken that step across the line and see that pot is not so bad, they are more open to trying other things. Plus they have now dealt with persons dealing that might deal other stuff or at least have connections.
If pot were legal, the first step over the line would have to be much bigger (substance wise and money wise), and I think fewer people would cross over as easily. Just my opinion.
Besides, I have seen several studies to show that pot is LESS harmful the tobacco. The whole reason pot was outlawed in the first place was to target the Mexicans in the early 20th century. Just think on how much tax dollars could be raised by legalizing it.
philadelph - I said that in the other thread because badbal stated: "Legalize weed and concentrate on the Hard Drugs that make criminals out of the users." I am basically trying to say that right when you start doing anything with the reefer (dealing, smoking, other "medicinal" uses) you are essentially a criminal. Anything is possible (ie. taking money from work/other people, stealing shit and selling it to get money for reefer) so whats the problem?
still - Im not saying that the writers were under the influence of weed at that time (but Im sure they did it), but here is where I am coming from. Keep in mind this is coming from the more intelligent bud smokers. Anytime I argue with people about reefer, the counter-arguments are either: a) Smoking makes you concentrate better and *possibly* smarter b) Look at the by-product of weed...hemp. It has many uses and it is natural so therefore weed should be legal c) alcohol impairs your judgement more than weed. The only one I agree with is that alcohol impairs judgement more than weed does. That is what I was talking about before. Also, Popular Mechanics has always had a sci-fi base to it. I used to subscribe to it, and I remember reading shit about how by 2025 scientists are going to be able to create photosynthesizing cattle, in which grass will no longer be needed for cows and such, because they will be able to photysynthesize for food instead of roaming all day long eating. This of course is only one article that I was reading, but you get my point. I am not saying anything about the article you posted still, but I was just adding my thought.
still - Im not saying that the writers were under the influence of weed at that time (but Im sure they did it), but here is where I am coming from. Keep in mind this is coming from the more intelligent bud smokers. Anytime I argue with people about reefer, the counter-arguments are either: a) Smoking makes you concentrate better and *possibly* smarter b) Look at the by-product of weed...hemp. It has many uses and it is natural so therefore weed should be legal c) alcohol impairs your judgement more than weed. The only one I agree with is that alcohol impairs judgement more than weed does. That is what I was talking about before. Also, Popular Mechanics has always had a sci-fi base to it. I used to subscribe to it, and I remember reading shit about how by 2025 scientists are going to be able to create photosynthesizing cattle, in which grass will no longer be needed for cows and such, because they will be able to photysynthesize for food instead of roaming all day long eating. This of course is only one article that I was reading, but you get my point. I am not saying anything about the article you posted still, but I was just adding my thought.
It is absolutely amazing the products to be made from hemp, i watched a discovery channel show about it and the shit they can make outta it is mind boggling....
And it is sickening that all the products they make out of polluting materials that could be made out of hemp, IT IS THE PLANT THAT THE EARTH NEEDS TO SURVIVE, I seriously beleive that....
And it is sickening that all the products they make out of polluting materials that could be made out of hemp, IT IS THE PLANT THAT THE EARTH NEEDS TO SURVIVE, I seriously beleive that....
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AND aares, It is your right wing unknowledgable biased bullshit that needs to be stopped....It pisses me off that you are actually calling a person that uses weed as a medicine is a fucking criminal, man that is sickening....
And, what Philadelph said, no one steals shit, money for weed, DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY hard drug users DO THAT????,
......Its because it costs more and they are so addicted they would even suck a fucking dick for some crack....I dont think a weed Smoka' would do that unless they already have a habit of sucking dick.....RIGHT?????
I sure as hell havent
, and if someone does steal something, its because their moral standards arent up to par....tbirdy said:
Hey, anybody want some Cheeseburgers??? rofl
Vlad...when I mentioned medicinal uses, I meant like any other way of using weed (smoking, eating, drinking, sticking a bud up your ass). If someone is in a state or country which permits the use of weed for a true medicinal purpose, thats fine then. Anyone else who uses weed, is therefore a CRIMINAL. It is a CRIME to use weed. So...what else is sickening?
Speak for youself when you say no one steals shit for weed. I know several people that do, and I dont even want to know about the rest of the people that do, whether their moral standards are up to par or not.
Last thing...so why do you believe hemp is the plant that earth needs to survive? You seriously believe that, and I seriously hope you dont believe that. That doesnt even come close to making sense. Its almost mind-boggling that you believe that.
Speak for youself when you say no one steals shit for weed. I know several people that do, and I dont even want to know about the rest of the people that do, whether their moral standards are up to par or not.
Last thing...so why do you believe hemp is the plant that earth needs to survive? You seriously believe that, and I seriously hope you dont believe that. That doesnt even come close to making sense. Its almost mind-boggling that you believe that.
THE FACTS
1. There is not nearly enough THC in hemp to get high. You would have to smoke so much hemp to get high that you would become sick and possibly die.
2. If you steal shit to pay for weed, then your a fuckin dumbass. When I was 13 years old I stole some icecream from the dairy. I wasnt addicted to icecream, I was an idiot.
3. Hemp is legal in my country. No company is stupid enough to make weed as well. Therefore it doesnt make weed any more prominent, acceptable or legal in society (although our society if very liberal about it).
4. Weed is no more addictive than alcohol, gambling, etc. Its ones own neglagence that leads to the dependancy.
5. Hemp is not a by-product of weed.
1. There is not nearly enough THC in hemp to get high. You would have to smoke so much hemp to get high that you would become sick and possibly die.
2. If you steal shit to pay for weed, then your a fuckin dumbass. When I was 13 years old I stole some icecream from the dairy. I wasnt addicted to icecream, I was an idiot.
3. Hemp is legal in my country. No company is stupid enough to make weed as well. Therefore it doesnt make weed any more prominent, acceptable or legal in society (although our society if very liberal about it).
4. Weed is no more addictive than alcohol, gambling, etc. Its ones own neglagence that leads to the dependancy.
5. Hemp is not a by-product of weed.
aares said:
So its ok to smoke weed in a country where its legal, but not in a country where its illegal....uh-huh :O
An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Already been addressed by me and HungLikeHolmesaares said:
aares said:
Well, it depends on your knowledge of the subject. If I said to you aares, what products can be made from Hemp????
Hit me back on that...
Holmes - Hemp comes from the same plant, Cannibis Sativa.
Vlad - Oh god...you had to bring MLK Jr. into this. I mentioned that if a state allows the MEDICINAL use of weed, that is ok. That means if you have cancer or whatever illness you have, and they give the "ok" to let you use weed because of the illness, then that is ok. I dont think its ok to let people smoke it where it is legal. Also, if you learn how to read all of the posts on a subject, you will see that I have mentioned some products that are made from hemp.
Vlad - Oh god...you had to bring MLK Jr. into this. I mentioned that if a state allows the MEDICINAL use of weed, that is ok. That means if you have cancer or whatever illness you have, and they give the "ok" to let you use weed because of the illness, then that is ok. I dont think its ok to let people smoke it where it is legal. Also, if you learn how to read all of the posts on a subject, you will see that I have mentioned some products that are made from hemp.
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I still think it's an industry that needs to be tapped. If nothing else then only for the textiles from the hemp plant. You cant say the same for tobacco plants for example. The only thing they're good for is tobacco.
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Hemp can be used to produce fiberboard that is stronger than wood, lighter than wood, and fire retardant. Substituting hemp fiberboard for timber would further reduce the need to cut down our forests. Hemp can also be used to produce strong, durable and environmentally-friendly plastic substitutes. Thousands of products made from petroleum-based plastics can be produced from hemp-based composites. Mercedes Benz of Germany has recently begun manufacturing automobile bodies and dashboards made from hemp.
On an annual basis, 1 acre of hemp will produce as much paper as 2 to 4 acres of trees. From tissue paper to cardboard, all types of paper products can be produced from hemp. Global demand for paper will double within 25 years. Unless tree-free sources of paper are developed, there is no way to meet future demand without causing massive deforestation and environmental damage. Hemp is the world's most promising source of tree-free paper.
The quality of hemp paper is superior to tree-based paper. Hemp paper will last hundreds of years without degrading, can be recycled many more times than tree-based paper, and requires less toxic chemicals in the manufacturing process than does paper made from trees.
Hemp seeds contain a protein that is more nutritious and more economical to produce than soybean protein. Hemp seeds are not intoxicating. Hemp seed protein can be used to produce virtually any product made from soybean: tofu, veggie burgers, butter, cheese, salad oils, ice cream, milk, etc. Hemp seed can also be ground into a nutritious flour that can be used to produce baked goods such as pasta, cookies, and breads.
Hemp seed oil can be used to produce non-toxic diesel fuel, paint, varnish, detergent, ink and lubricating oil. Because hemp seeds account for up to half the weight of a mature hemp plant, hemp seed is a viable source for these products.
Just as corn can be converted into clean-burning ethanol fuel, so can hemp. Because hemp produces more biomass than any plant species (including corn) that can be grown in a wide range of climates and locations, hemp has great potential to become a major source of ethanol fuel.
aares said:
lol, you talk about "pot-heads" like one of those grizzled old men would say: (old man voice) "get them durned skateboarders off the sidewalks" ....
Yeah aares, at the top of every billion dollar hemp company is a fucking braindead stoner who's only lot in life is to make products out of a plant that CANNOT GET YOU HIGH so he can get high all the time.....
Aares, you talk nonsense and my stoner ass has crushed you with an Iron Fist.... rofl
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Vlad - The comment about the old man is funny as shit Do you understand that hemp comes from the same plant as weed? I am not completely certain, but I do know that hemp consists of the lower half of the cannibis plant (stalk and roots), and weed comes from the upper half (buds/flowers). You cannot have make hemp without growing the plant that has marijuana on it. Hemp cannot get you high, but the plant it comes from can get you high...and that last comment...only from a stoner. The only thing you are "crushing" is your smoke to put in a bowl :s
Do you understand that hemp comes from the same plant as weed? I am not completely certain, but I do know that hemp consists of the lower half of the cannibis plant (stalk and roots), and weed comes from the upper half (buds/flowers). You cannot have make hemp without growing the plant that has marijuana on it. Hemp cannot get you high, but the plant it comes from can get you high...and that last comment...only from a stoner. The only thing you are "crushing" is your smoke to put in a bowl :s
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I think I've found the solution guys. The government can control and regulate the growing of hemp plants...and since it IS correct that you cannot grow hemp w/out the FEMALE plant which grows the leaves/buds of cannibus (pot) we can have people like aares guarding the crops with mini guns (thing Terminator II)
No way current agribusiness and chemical industry lobbys will let some up and comer comer crop recieve massive government subsidation and market share. If we ever started really utalizing a hemp crop it would be a long slow road getting there. As I recall the original ban was backed by the cotton lobby or somebody similar. It was also other growing and manufacturing conglomerates that produced films like "Reefer Madness" and other hyperbolic anti-cannibus propganda in order to make sure it stayed despised by lawmakers and the general public. They saw a threat and dealt with it, pretty handidly too, since it's still illegal and stigmatized.
Ok, you need to get your facts straight.
Hemp and Marijuana are both VARIETIES of Cannibus Sativa. The are not the exact same plant.
Hemp contains very low levels of THC, less than 1 percent, while Marijuana contains around 10-20 percent. The look much different, hemp being very tall and stalky, while marijuana is bushy and short.
http://www.prevlink.org/getthefacts/facts/hemp.html
BURN... you dont know shizzle about hemp, or marijuana, so I fail to see you have to drive your point home. I thought the comment about crushing your smoke to put in a bowl was classic ignorance to.
Hemp and Marijuana are both VARIETIES of Cannibus Sativa. The are not the exact same plant.
Hemp contains very low levels of THC, less than 1 percent, while Marijuana contains around 10-20 percent. The look much different, hemp being very tall and stalky, while marijuana is bushy and short.
http://www.prevlink.org/getthefacts/facts/hemp.html
BURN... you dont know shizzle about hemp, or marijuana, so I fail to see you have to drive your point home. I thought the comment about crushing your smoke to put in a bowl was classic ignorance to.
HungLikeHolmes said:
Yeah, there are hundreds of different strains of marijuana, hemp was just one that was bred many times to take away the THC levels, and it was also a very HARDY strain that could survive in any climate type.( most all of todays designer strains could not thrive, spread seed and grow on their own without human intervention.)
All hemp and marijuana plants start out being neither male or female, and halfway through the growing process they will turn male or female(it might be 50%/50%). It is possible for a hemp plant to turn female, and grow some buds.(they wouldnt get you high)...but male plants turn female plants male and can do so up to like a half mile radius and since hemp grows in vast quantity around each other, it is impossible to get a single female plant in a hemp feild.
Hope that makes sense
HungLikeHolmes said:
hehe, the hydro nugs i smoke are so hard I need to use a coffee grinder rofl
stillwantmore said:we can have people like aares guarding the crops with mini guns (thing Terminator II)
lol lol lol
And though this doesnt make any sense in reality
, I like your Style
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Pot is perfectly legal in Holland, In fact there is less hard drug use in Holland than in any other western country. In addition to pot being legal, prostitution is also legal in Holland. There is less AIDS and less of other STD in Holland. This is due to prostitutes have to be medically free of all STDs to get a license to practice at being a pro.
The medical and social welfare in Holland prescribes, a visit to prostitution parlor for beneficial purposes.
The tax base in Holland is supported by sales of pot in the coffee houses. I have been in Amsterdam down in the canal district and purchased a joint for about $5.00. You can also purchase space cake for about $5.00.
I just wish that other western countries would adopt the Dutch policies on the legalization of Pot. If they did it would reduce gang violence, and increase the tax base.
The medical and social welfare in Holland prescribes, a visit to prostitution parlor for beneficial purposes.
The tax base in Holland is supported by sales of pot in the coffee houses. I have been in Amsterdam down in the canal district and purchased a joint for about $5.00. You can also purchase space cake for about $5.00.
I just wish that other western countries would adopt the Dutch policies on the legalization of Pot. If they did it would reduce gang violence, and increase the tax base.
ElGeorgio said:
Amen brotha! but the west is bible country, give it another 80 years and people will realize the war on drugs has been going on for 100 years and they still havent made a dent. The west loves to waste money on telling people what to do and restricting what we can do.
Dont forget we are a bunch of morons without our government leading the way.
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Lets just get into the 10 billion dollar crack industry while we're at it!!! :s
Medicianal mariajuana is called marinol, cant remember the mg but if you eat em all day they make you high as akite.One of my vendors used to give me bottles of marinol(and my wife and I would eat em like candy).His uncle had a prescription for them but preferred smoking to the pills(he would trade out for ganja opposed to taking the pill).I like marinol but prefer reefer.I don't use it every day.I feel the reason it is not legal is to keep the prices up rofl