stillwantmore
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If you're doing a side by side comparison, hanging wins. You have a precisely measured level of resistance with a known weight level for an exact amount of time that is easy to duplicate every time. VS all the guessing with your hands. Not to mention, hands get tired, your grip weakens and you have no idea how hard a "hard" stretch is really pulling. What's the equivalent amount of resistance with your hands to 15 pounds? You have no idea.
SWM got to it! 
[Blahblah Intuition would call for weights, unless the manual routine has Lengthmaster in it, just with hands it's difficult to get a certain threshold.
Not to say that hands only work wouldn't work, it totally does and it's a good way to get into PE!
But within a certain timeframe one might want a bit more power and certainty what tension/force he is using when training. BlahBlah]
[Blahblah Intuition would call for weights, unless the manual routine has Lengthmaster in it, just with hands it's difficult to get a certain threshold.
Not to say that hands only work wouldn't work, it totally does and it's a good way to get into PE!
But within a certain timeframe one might want a bit more power and certainty what tension/force he is using when training. BlahBlah]
REDZULU2003
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Thankfully when using the lengthmaster or power assist, you can measure the intensity if you mod it up with a handheld luggage scale Amazon.com | AccuDial No Batteries Accurate Easy Reading Analog Compact Handheld Luggage Scale | Luggage Scales
But if your doing it by hands, still an issue.
But if your doing it by hands, still an issue.
Yep you’ll get completely and accurate measurements of intensity. Knowing how much force you’re using it’s so important to understanding when you can increase that force. Having a concrete number to go by will make it so much easier to collect data on your gains .
And I think that the basic manual stretches should also be continued by a more advanced version using the lengthmaster. At one point the hands are not going to be strong enough to get the proper grip and strength you need for the stretch. The whole reason I invented the lengthmaster was because I could not get a good grip and it just made sense to me if I put a chamber together with the original PowerAssist I could get 2 hand stretching using the handlebars. Lo and behold it worked and today people are not limited by the strength of their hands because the lengthmaster gives you so much strength you’ll never use at all.
I reall
y want the length master, but as a university student, it’s just really hard to afford equipment at the moment, but I’ll be ordering one eventually I know that for sure. I’m just concerned about it slipping after pushing a certain amount of pressure
I can imagine having to pay for food and books and apartments it must be very expensive. Well hopefully they’ll be a sale or something soon so you can get your hands on one. In the meantime your hands are good enough! I gain more than 2 inches with my hands.
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eah I gained 1.5 with my hands in a year! But then I got stuck on a plateau and felt as if manual stretches weren’t as effective as before and in order to break the plateau I started hanging in August 2018 and have gained .25. I was wondering if I should take a 1-2 month decon break and start manual stretches again. I feel like my dick and ligaments have really toughened up because of the hanging. Which makes me feel like it had made my manual stretching even more ineffective...
Wow that is a monumental gain in such a short time, excellent work! Well sounds like you’re a perfect contender for a Lengthmaster but money is an issue so let me see what I can work out for you. The LM just gives you so much power and control over where the power goes with any stretch you can imagine. Then once you’re strapped in and you take all of those handlebars to handed stretching, there’s nothing like it. The ligament can get tough with hanging so it might be smart to change up that exercise I’ll try something new.
MrStockhammer
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I've gotten to the point now with hanging where I instantly get to fatigue sometimes not even with my max weight then need to drop 2nd set. Then when recovering in the phallosan, there is still enough pull to feel fatigue through the ligs and shaft the whole time. Is this a good thing or should I wait on getting fully healed to be able to go up in weight? There is a main point of fatigue deeeeep in the bottom of the base.
Any advise will be appreciated.
Any advise will be appreciated.
REDZULU2003
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Recovering in something like the Phallosan, which is an ADS, is fine after you have done hanging, and will take advantage of the fatigued elongated extended penis to enable it growth in that phase, rather then not doing any ADS or extension work afterwards.
It wont fatigue the penis anymore doing ADS afterwards, its keeping the penis in that healing state of elongation.
I wouldnt change anything drastic, perhaps knock a few pounds off your weight for 1-2 weeks, then go back to it.
It wont fatigue the penis anymore doing ADS afterwards, its keeping the penis in that healing state of elongation.
I wouldnt change anything drastic, perhaps knock a few pounds off your weight for 1-2 weeks, then go back to it.
The things that I would do for 1.5" right now...LOL Jesus that would put me a little over 10"!! I need to pray more.
Completely on point and excellent advice. Thanks Red!
In addition just to hammer this point home in the state of fatigue there’s no better time to train for length. I’ve been spending so much time over the past couple weeks been resting and healing and how it affects the various routines I see happening. I’m thinking of writing a completely separate version of SRT to test rest days.
So as Red said after you’re in that state of fatigue take advantage of it and strap on your Phallosan to keep yourself Elongated while you heal.
MrStockhammer
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mandatorypower
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I am a strong advocate for manual exercises as I believe it teaches you strong discipline with pe because it is alot more time consuming and take focus to make it more effective and develop foundation. Gain 2 inches from just hands so only been hanging a few weeks and I am almost certain hanging is far more effective it has taken far less time to reach certain levels of fatique with hanging already so I can tell its effectiveness. Also u can almost make hanging passive where with manuals you have to be more intune to reach fatigue. A combination of the two would be idealbut I would say hanging wins
The thing with me is I feel like with stretching that’s where I made my 1.5 inch gains, with hanging I’ve gained only .25 after 6 months of use reaching 10 pounds. I feel like when you bring to use a hanger especially the compression base (I own vac and compression) it toughens up you tunica and ligs so much that the penis begins harder to stretch. I took a little decon from hanging and now I feel like my dick is much easier to stretch and I’m feeling fatigue...
Also compression hanging has such a high learning curve it was consuming so much of my time, like 4-5 hours that it was affecting my mental health and felt counter intuitive. I feel like PE is meant to be done, and go on with your day. Sometimes over fatiguing I feel like is bad for you and does the opposite of gaining length.
REDZULU2003
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Since I began back in 2001, I have come to the conclusion that all PE methods have pros and cons to them, with no one being the BEST as it were. Not to mention, we all have our own way to train, some will enjoy pumping for length, allot more versus the hanger. Both work for it.
And the largest barrier in gains full stop is your own damn mind ... we create our own hurdles by way of excuses, lack of patience with routines.
You need to keep focused, want it allot, have tons of patience, and use intensity, sometimes high where need be.
And the largest barrier in gains full stop is your own damn mind ... we create our own hurdles by way of excuses, lack of patience with routines.
You need to keep focused, want it allot, have tons of patience, and use intensity, sometimes high where need be.
mandatorypower
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Ten pounds over 6 months seem incredibly low and from what I read on top hangers is that most guys build up to between 15 to 21 pounds for hanging. My starting weight is 7 and lower but that's for safety. But I guess we are all different I do 46 minutes of stretching everyday alongside my hanging from w
Agreed words of wisdom and inspiration indeed
I think you're correct. And Ive had the same perception for a while. There is a thin line between productive fatigue training and over training. And instead of the tissues healing larger, they just toughen up to become stronger in order to resist the same weight/strength. And perhaps this is more pronounced with hanging. When we hang, we usually increase weight as we feel "comfortable" but we dont know if that comfortably is actually being scientifically productive for enlarging tissues.
Its very similar to what happens at the gym. I do bodybuilding. 99.8% of guys working out at the gym dont do bodybuilding. They think they do, but in reality they have no idea what theyre doing. For bodybuilding you use less weight, higher reps and perfect execution of the movement causing fatigue and failure. In return the muscle grows bigger. Most guys try to impress the dude next to them by lifting as heavy as they can. They feel strong, they scream, they take a deep breath and look at themselves in the mirror, but they will never grow that way. What the majority does at the gym is called powerlifting. You get strong, but you will never look symmetric, in shape with big round muscles.
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I would do it the other way around if you’re going to do it piece by piece but you save so much money just buying the lengthmaster complete. The Bundle chamber attaches to the body of the lengthmaster so you’d want to get a body before you get the bundle chamber. But again I’m stressing you buy the Lengthmaster as it is because you save money.
Understood. My thinking is, with the body, you can’t do anything with it by itself. Well except power assist moves. I can see how the bundle chamber can be beneficial by itself with stretching. No hand fatigue. Not as effective as the whole package, but a move in the right direction, no? It is just a thought since he was strapped for cash.
OK I got you! Yeah in that case grab the bundle chamber first and then later you can get the body.
Yes I agree with the fact that everyone is different 100% but personally for me 10 pounds felt a lot and I felt my nerves starting to get damaged because of the way compression hanger was digging into my shaft (bib hanger) and quite honestly speaking I haven’t checked out top gainers, but as far as my research goes, I haven’t met too many men who exceed the 15 pound mark. Compression hanging in my experience has a very high learning curve with every new weight and wrapping. Also I was performing stretches along with my compression hanging as well, and as far as my experience went, my stretches did not feel as effective considering, to my belief, it was toughening up my internals. Also there’s very few ppl on forums aside from the Hanger creators who have gained over an inch by hanging. But from the several forums I have read, there are plenty of guys who have made 2+ inch gains through manual stretches. I’m looking into buying the LM, that device I believe is the real deal for length... you’re able to stretch part of you shaft that a hanger simply cannot, you can change your routine not only in duration but also in the exercises you use, making it much more effective in breaking plateaus and the best of em all, is the fact you can stretch in different directions, where in most cases with hanging, you are only limited to certain angles... just my 2 cents ?
I agree with you and I also want to say that the lengthmaster also has a hanger so it gives you even more options. It’s a power assist, the hunger, a bundle and roll chamber and fulcrum wrench. Nothing comes close with manual work!
mandatorypower
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Indeed brother, well from my research the top gainers for hanging did exceed 15 pounds an as I stated I made my first 2 inches from a manual only program, my thoughts on hanging is just based on a few weeks of experience with hanging and others. I am actual pro- manual but I understand your perspective and yes I believe the length master is gold and want one so bad to be able to take my stretching and hanging to a new level, My goal is to to continue my 2 hour a day manual routine with hanging and pumping on the side and see if the hanging contributed much more within my measure date which is in about 4 months from now. I am using the same routine I gained 2 inches with manually just with hanging and pumping included so technically I won't no for sure if big gains happens it was directly from hanging etc but what I shared here is that with hanging I could feel an more intense fatigue alot faster compared to manuals I had to focus and add more volume to create similar fatigue so I assumed that hanging would be more effective based on that but it's just my personal experience. Happy Gains
Happy gains to you to brother, and if you don’t mind me asking, what’s your manual routine like? 2 inch gains are remarkable
I think a combination of hanging with some other length exercises is best in order to cover all angles of gain. Simply doing the basic stretches in the newbie routine in addition to hanging with speed the game is quite a bit. Using some of the healing tactics in the SRT would also speed the healing process making gains permanent quicker
mandatorypower
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If you go my page I have pics and my rountine laid out in detail
REDZULU2003
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@mandatorypower you could purchase the Power Assist instead, its cheaper, does the manuel stuff minus the hanging attachment. If you wanted to do bundles, then save for the LM.
mandatorypower
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No I'm good u don't need to make a sales pitch to me I been in this enlargement game long enough to understand what I need and don't need when to purchase and when not to purchase. I will snatch the whole length master when I am ready but as of now I am content with where I am . To me equipment is cool but it's not always necessary it's just like in the gym world guys come in with bcaa's, whey protein, creatine , pre-workouts, they got wrist wraps, knee wraps and spent 25 minutes talk to guys about what products they use and should use by the time they did that I already did 25 Muscle-Ups 15 Pistol Squats per leg, 5 backflips, 25 push-ups, 10 chin-ups, 15 bridges, x 5 sets while they still trying to rack up the squat rack for 1st set I done murdered my whole body morally of the story, I believe in hardwork and foundation first then add on extras as a bonus for fun but the best boxers woodchop and run hills, the best rappers use the black and white notepad, nothing beats good old fashion raw training. I can afford one now but I will wait to I see a real platueu or get very bored to add in more devices, I want to focus getting the most gains with out really devices I use the bathmate and homemade hangers but I use them in a very supplemental way my main focus is manual training and because I am a gymnast my grip strength exceeds most men because I am on pull-up bars all day throwing around 200 pounds at 5"7
REDZULU2003
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Okay, point taken. Understand though I wasnt selling you anything, just trying to help.
I used to do body weight exercises 15 years ago when I was younger, they are much better for you versus weights, and nearly all machines bar the old nautilus one which were made by a guy called Arthur Jones, that knew the body should not move on a fixed point, these machines today keep the body in that fixed state, fuck the joints up, but you will know that already.
Its not the same strength versus bodyweight. I did allot of farm work years ago, all by hand lifting alsorts of shit all day long, how I managed to find time to be here, or stretch my dick I never know.
I was very strong, all mostly from bodyweight work, and static holds.
People nowadays like quick fix, everything now ... especially to be famous or rich with little to no effort.
I used to do body weight exercises 15 years ago when I was younger, they are much better for you versus weights, and nearly all machines bar the old nautilus one which were made by a guy called Arthur Jones, that knew the body should not move on a fixed point, these machines today keep the body in that fixed state, fuck the joints up, but you will know that already.
Its not the same strength versus bodyweight. I did allot of farm work years ago, all by hand lifting alsorts of shit all day long, how I managed to find time to be here, or stretch my dick I never know.
I was very strong, all mostly from bodyweight work, and static holds.
People nowadays like quick fix, everything now ... especially to be famous or rich with little to no effort.
628stretch
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Bump....
What’s the bump for my brother?
628stretch
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Old thread and id like to hear more on this comparison.
628stretch
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I was wearing my stretcher this evening and decided to try bundle stretching im my ads. Oh wow. Fatigue came a lot quicker. A slight to high burn came within 10 mins. I enjoy the sting and burn of pushing my stretching farther each day. About 20 mins twisted almost 2 full round and medium heavy stretching. I definitely recommend this method for anyone who wants to feel a good workout.
Very cool technique I thank you for posting it. I hope others give it a shot and find the same intensity you have.
628stretch
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Bundled one direction then the other with my ads on and held the position by tucking an closing my legs.
bundled stretching is applicable in so many ways!
The most effective way to gain length in my option is to get the length master and silistretcher. Or get only the length master if cash is a problem for you. I've used most of these devices, the Silistretcher and the length master are the two devices I can really beat my chest and say, you won't regret the purchase.
Period!