harry potter and the devil
What a fuckin douche-bag. I hope one night she forgets to pray, and gets her ass fucked by every member from [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] in hell. And by that time we'll all be hangin like Mr Ed.
once again the extremly conservative christians try to ruin something else
So if she's speaking the truth about what the Lord desires for us...then she's ruining something.... Why do you guys hate Christians so much??? What's wrong with standing up for what you believe in??? Why does this woman live in a box??? She is speaking the truth from the Word... so how is that living in a box... Paul said for me all things are possible, but not all things are righteous.... So for someone to tell their child they aren't allowed to walk down the street by themselves this is limiting their experiences as a human being, but yet it's for their own good as a protective measure.... so not allowing a child to read a book series is no different.... If you can't see where the reasoning behind it is sound and serves a good purpose then you live outside of logic and reason... Truly think about it... it's the whole idea that ohhh it's just harmless and it can't hurt anybody.... that's where the problem starts, and definitely not where it ends...
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Very sad indeed
I am not a Christian and I love Harry Potter. Very wierd site. I find it quite difficult to see how either Harry Potter books or films would do children any harm. I don't think that if you like Harry Potter then you are evil or anti-christian. I am not christian but I respect people that are and their beliefs all the same.
Bib... you are an adult... so the separation between reality and fantasy is very clear, and you are capable of spearating yourself... I know when I was a kid I loved TMNT and Ghostbusters and maybe it was just me but some of my friends really emersed themselves in that world of fantasy... and in some instances seems as though it was their reality... so is it not dangerous??? If we suspend reality permanently then don't they put us into insane asylums... I mean it is reasonable with what the site contends... it promotes witch craft and mysticism... that is undeniable as that is the basis for the entire series... I'm a fan of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] as well, I enjoy the movies... they are indeed fun, but we are admonished to be watchful and self controlled as to what we allow ourselves to partake in, not because it is inherantly evil, but it just will come to no good or have no place in our lives as believers...
millionman said:
It is dangerous indeed......
raise: :biggun:I am a Christian, a conservative, and have even called myself a Repubplican, but I like the Harry Potter books. I think it's a matter of how you let these things affect your personal relationship with God. Of course if you don't believe in God then that makes things real simple for those people. If this lady feels [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] is bad for her faith then it would be best for her to stay away.
Texan...that is a very polluted idea indeed... you can't simply say well if this person thinks it's ok then it's ok, if I don't think it's ok it's not ok... such a relative attitude eleminates truth and moral value of any kind... there has to be absolute truth and absolute lies... otherwise the laws of our universe such as gravity, thermodynamics etc. can not function at their core as these ideas can not be the only representation of the universes' function... so to disqualify absolute truth would be to disqualify all of existence... as a follower of Christ you know truth from a lie... The Word is the one who revealed to us the Truth of the kingdom of Heaven and the deceptions of this world... So it would be quite presumptuous for anyone to say that [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] does not support the occult practices and magic/sorcery... it would be very uneven according to reason to say that these ideas do not filter into the minds of the children that read/watch the movies... By simple analysis one could find this to be true... The only thing I can say is that I can offer no remedy to the problem other than seeking first the Cross... that's where truth is and always will be...
Harry potter and the bible are both works of fiction IMHO,there are more adults that have been fucked up as kids by the teachings of the bible,than will ever be by reading fantasy novels about wizards,spells flying broomsticks ect.
prince Albert said:
I agree with you Prince Albert. Yesterday on the news I saw a fundamentalist christian in Nigeria that had starved and beaten her child to death because she believed that it was possesed. This is by no means a one off, in fact it is a growing trend in Africa. Over one hundred children a year die for the same reason. This is an example of how the bible can be very dangerous. I understand that it can be equally good but it is important to keep at least some form of evaluation over your own life and the lives of your children. The bible can be interpretated in many ways, it is down to the individual how they carry out their lives.
It is true though that this Harry Potter debate is a non issue. When you look at it what harm is really going to come of children watching the films? Will they one day turn around and magically turn their freind into a frog? I doubt it. On the other hand there are people that follow the bible to the word and end up torturing and killing their own children. Now that is a real issue. Admittedly they are misinterpreting the meaning of the bible but then as I said before the bible is open to that kind of thing as is all religion.
The most important thing is that we teach a sense of morality to the children of the day and I believe that Harry Potter does that well.
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Twain was thought of by many as an evil man, teaching children to run away from home, get into trouble, etc, etc. Many parents of his time would not let their children read his writings.
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It comes to the old adage, you have to know bad before you can appreciate good, and vice versa. This is one of the main teachings of the Bible. You cannot shield children from every possible bad thing. It does not work that way. You must allow them to live, and make their own decisions as free moral agents. But you must also teach them, or at least show them how to make the correct decisions. Then let them make their own mistakes, from which they will learn.
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That is about all I can see coming from this topic. The books are a damn good read, and this tripe about them should be dropped.
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Twain was thought of by many as an evil man, teaching children to run away from home, get into trouble, etc, etc. Many parents of his time would not let their children read his writings.
My wife is a teacher. She will tell you that the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books are a fantastic tool to teach children to read. They are much more likely to learn to read at a higher level. In order to read and understand something much more complicated, say the Bible, they must first learn how to read something like the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books.
As far as the substance of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books, how many of the detractors have actually read them? I cannot understand, for the life of me, what they find offensive. They are simply great stories, well told. There are defined lines of good and evil. The good always wins. The heros are good children. What's not to love?
It comes to the old adage, you have to know bad before you can appreciate good, and vice versa. This is one of the main teachings of the Bible. You cannot shield children from every possible bad thing. It does not work that way. You must allow them to live, and make their own decisions as free moral agents. But you must also teach them, or at least show them how to make the correct decisions. Then let them make their own mistakes, from which they will learn.
If a child cannot realize the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books as fiction, and simply good stories, they are going to be swayed away from a Christian life by many other things far more harmful than Harry Potter. In fact, I would say Harry Potter would be at the very bottom of the list of 'vile' things that a child could get into. Given the clear lines between good and evil, I would say the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books are actually good stewards of Christian ideals.
If you want to put the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books on a religious level, the question becomes: Are children going to turn into witches or wizards from reading Harry Potter? Highly doubtful. I have never heard of a case. What is probable, in a religious context, is that they will learn to read at a much higher level, and when exposed to the Bible, have a much higher level of comprehension.
That is about all I can see coming from this topic. The books are a damn good read, and this tripe about them should be dropped.
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I find it amusing how you guys act like chirstians believe in a fairy tale and that we don't understand what we believe in... that's an absolute lie and an absolutely hilarious joke... You can not have fiath if you first do not have first an understanding of what you believe in... As a reasoning individual you have to be able to attach credibility to the source of your beliefs ie. The Holy Bible... if you can not validate the authenticity of scripture then you have no validation for faith.... Yet as I have discussed at length before... there are thousands of complete manuscripts that validate faith in Christ Jesus... there are also manuscripts that validate the Old Testament as well as The Dead Sea Scrolls validating these books as well... Outside historians validate Christ's existence and minsitry (Josephus the first century historian)... If someone had made up the Gospel they would not have portrayed the disciples as unbelieving and faithless in the face of persecution after Christ's death, and they would not have illustrated the point that they did not even recognize their Lord and Savious as he revealed himself after the ressurrection.... You would have faithful, fearless, and passionate followers of Christ no matter what the circumstances as well as having an immediate recognition of who He was upon His Revelation.... If you choose to ignore the facts then that is your decision.... Find out for yourselves that this information is accurate and true... you don't have to take my word for it...
AS for the woman/people who are killing their children because they are possessed, are you sure they are Christians....as defined by scripture a believer in Christ is someone who places all faith in Christ Jesus for salvation... this also includes healings, raising the dead, and other miracles/ manifestations of the Holy Spirit... So it would not be a surprising trend for someone to report these people as "christian" and use it as an illustration of our insanity and over zealous attitudes.... Which is so far from the truth it's amazing.... It is not written that someone should beat or torture the demon out of an individual.... This practice is outside of the Truth and can not be attatched to Christ in any form, because it runs directly against what is written and all the things that Christ accomplished as God's Word... This falls into the same line as the brownsville revival and other forms of "christiainity" that do not serve Christ according to the gospel and the epistles, but according to their own "belief" and personal benefit... Everything a Christian speaks of or points to should always be traceable back to the Word and back to the Cross... otherwise it is not of the Lord and has no place eve being considered of Christ.... that would be false and abusive to those who serve our Lord...
AS for the woman/people who are killing their children because they are possessed, are you sure they are Christians....as defined by scripture a believer in Christ is someone who places all faith in Christ Jesus for salvation... this also includes healings, raising the dead, and other miracles/ manifestations of the Holy Spirit... So it would not be a surprising trend for someone to report these people as "christian" and use it as an illustration of our insanity and over zealous attitudes.... Which is so far from the truth it's amazing.... It is not written that someone should beat or torture the demon out of an individual.... This practice is outside of the Truth and can not be attatched to Christ in any form, because it runs directly against what is written and all the things that Christ accomplished as God's Word... This falls into the same line as the brownsville revival and other forms of "christiainity" that do not serve Christ according to the gospel and the epistles, but according to their own "belief" and personal benefit... Everything a Christian speaks of or points to should always be traceable back to the Word and back to the Cross... otherwise it is not of the Lord and has no place eve being considered of Christ.... that would be false and abusive to those who serve our Lord...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but seriously. Why try to tear down something like a children's book? It's a fantasy book. I love the books myself. I'll admit to reading them lol. I can't wait for the new one to come out in fact. I want to be a writer of some kind some day so anyone that can create something as wonderful as a children's book series and make it so it can be enjoyed by most anyone is just cool in my opinion. SO this lady compares the bible's teachings to what she interprets as what the Harry Potter books teaches???A little bit nuts if you ask me. And that JESUS IS LORD OF ALL! with the lightning bolts surrounding the cross banner... it's a little bit much don't you think? lol
I don't see how Rowling went out of her way to create a story with specific anti-Christian themes in it. That's weak. This idea is about as ridiculous as the homosexual purple tellitubby and sponge bob tolerance videos. They all make the sensible go "are you serious? What are you talking about? Who cares? lol got a good chuckle out of it though.
I don't see how Rowling went out of her way to create a story with specific anti-Christian themes in it. That's weak. This idea is about as ridiculous as the homosexual purple tellitubby and sponge bob tolerance videos. They all make the sensible go "are you serious? What are you talking about? Who cares? lol got a good chuckle out of it though.
millionman said:
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How would it be illogical to conclude that a book about magic and sorcery would not be in support such practices... for this information to be included into the structure of the book then they must have an operating knowledge of such things... so it would not be a presumption that [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] does support the occult....
millionman said:
Just to clarify this, I am certain that the people in Africa that were and are beating, starving and eventually killing their children are Christians as they have very close ties to their respective church's. In fact, within their church's supposed holy men perform these rituals in which they tap certain people on the head in order to single them out as possessed and in need of purifying. Needless to say those tapped on the head then start throwing their arms and legs about them wildly. Taking on the role of the possessed. In other words, they play along and entirely believe their own hyped delusion. It is scary to watch so many people in a self induced trance like state. They seem to be capable of anything. This is one example of how religion, when not accompanied with education, can be much, much more dangerous than any children's books ever written.
Secondly, millionman, on your above quote. I don't think that there was too much anti Christian planning that went into the Harry Potter books or films. I'm not convinced that the author is particularly involved in the occult, it is merely an interesting way in which to stimulate children's imaginations. At the end of the day I believe that the Harry Potter books and films have done much more good than bad. They have not necessarily promoted Christianity but they have made a lot of people happy and I think that is a lot more important.
Good Lord why is this even an issue? I mean seriously the concept within these books is really nothing new, if you've ever read them you would know that. They would not even be on the fanatical radar if they weren't so popular! If that wasn't the case then they would be going after every fantasy related book ever written, and you know what? They would wear themselves out in the process!
I don't know about anyone else, but I knew from a very young age the difference between FANTASY and REALITY, in fact I think I understood the concept of "pretend" before I could even read. This is complete ridiculousness, people have so much more to worry about what their children are being exposed to then some damn fantasy books. They should be happy someone out there is keeping children reading at all!
I don't know about anyone else, but I knew from a very young age the difference between FANTASY and REALITY, in fact I think I understood the concept of "pretend" before I could even read. This is complete ridiculousness, people have so much more to worry about what their children are being exposed to then some damn fantasy books. They should be happy someone out there is keeping children reading at all!
What about Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, all of the Grimm's fairy tales? If you want to censor, or castigate Harry Potter, you would almost have to bring into question every non-Biblical piece of fiction ever written.
The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books are simply lovely stories. How can anyone, at any age, or from any background, find one single thing wrong with them. The logic escapes me. They are not religious books, and are not meant to be. They are entertainment, and damn fine entertainment at that.
As a 48 year old Christian, very founded in his beliefs, I cannot wait for July when the next one comes out. In fact, I re-read books four and five in preperation. They are so good, they get better with each reading.
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The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] books are simply lovely stories. How can anyone, at any age, or from any background, find one single thing wrong with them. The logic escapes me. They are not religious books, and are not meant to be. They are entertainment, and damn fine entertainment at that.
As a 48 year old Christian, very founded in his beliefs, I cannot wait for July when the next one comes out. In fact, I re-read books four and five in preperation. They are so good, they get better with each reading.
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millionman said:
Walking on water,bringing the dead back to life,changing water to wine,making the blind see,the deaf hear,cursing a fig tree so it withers and dies,making a storm subside.
Just a few example that i can remember.
If you put these things into any book other than the bible then people would class them as fantasy,acts of a wizard,the occult but because its in the bible then hey its ok because jesus did it.
So then, under the same pretext, the lady who runs that site could just as easily say that Jesus was an occult wizard who practiced magic and sorcery. So if this is the case why bother targeting one single work of fiction at all? Also it makes no sense unless she also targets almost every Disney movie, pretty much every children's movie or book or fairy tale involve magic of some kind.
omg, prince and stuff, that is such a good point. id like to see tomdw argue that one
millionman said:
How do you not see the fallacy in either of the statements? Just because the books doesn't come right and say there are hints of the occult practices within these writings doesn't mean that you can say that must mean there it must not have anything to do with the occult. If you said that Rowling doesn't come right out and say that so therefore the book is or probably does...that's just not logical at all. You can presume all you want, but by either way you go I think you are begging the question.
one last thing....(hopefully) I think in the U.K. tales with knights and kings, and wizards and sorcerers were a lot more common for a child to hear about there considering that much of history concerning kings and knights exist throughout Europe historically. SO is it that weird that a woman who probably grew up learning or hearing stories of history that dealt with such topics would write a children's story dealing with the same things? Not everything is an attack on Christianity. Some people don't believe in Christianity. Imagine that??
I find the books harmless and enjoyable!I also find the people that practise the craft in real life, have been mislabelled as devil worshippers etc, since the Christians come on the scene, I also think that all religions that have good morals all lead to the same place, including the Pagan religion.There is no correct path that will lead you to heaven, or whatever you want to call it.All paths lead to one destination.
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