Progress thread F26 - Grower to a Shower - create a flaccid Monster & Journey to 10 x 6.5 ?

Microtears are how they hypothesized gains happened in the mid 2000's. All the heavy hitters started to think this was true (Bib, Xeno, etc). In my mind that's been all disproved based on the evidence I know presented in my Long Game thread. For one there was question if microtears lead to scar tissue. ThoughtfulGold at thunders had a diagnostic ultrasound done recently and guess what? No scar tissue despite years of PE.

I now think it is a cellular mediated response to the stress associated with PE. Fibroblast mediated proliferation. To get more nerdy there is usually a delay of one week from time of stress to maximal response. In our world though you'd need more than once a week PE sessions for growth. Recovery can and does happen alongside restressing the tissue and growth. Something to explore and keep in mind as you read others accounts. The "theory" many times might not be that accurate and if you operate with a less accurate theory you will likely have less than optimal results because a less than optimal approach. I'm not saying flat out wrong just less optimal.

Take xeno for example. I believe he was taking strain rates as that'll explain how he formed many of his ideas, or at least taking daily BPSFL. He operated under the microtears theory. He used hot tub equipped to go hotter than normal to do PE in and took regular decons. So he did some things that were revolutionary and I agree beneficial at the time. However his methods were extreme because he was trying to cause actual damage to create those microtears. So he'd stress his tissues extremely for a short time (2 week) then take a decon. That may have been less than optimal.

The actual problem is that PE still is a little bit of a secret, we're doing try & error here, people are bringing up theories and making threads about it. Maybe it works for them but won't work for the others. Maybe there wasn't a better way in the past, but most of the so called theories are not proven scientifically by doctors or studies. So when I or others are trying to gain knowledge and reading old threads, sometimes it's the past and not the now.

People believed that the earth is flat until some people questioned it and they found out that it's round.
That's what some smart minds are doing here and you're one of them @longstretch (fire)
Maybe we should tag the old theories, which had been proven to not be scientifically correct with something like '[old]' and the actual ones with '[actual]', else people who're digging in the threads of the past will have the same 'problems' and learning old theories.

Man @longstretch you're one of the reasons why I've learned so much in a short time and even now when I sometimes got 'old knowledge' theories or believes from the past PE decades, you're even coming in and telling your actual view and dropping your actual knowledge in. (fire)
Thanks a lot for that, like really, that's insane and helps me but also all the others a lot :) I know I've written you that a lot of times, but here we go again haha LOL
 
Day 30: (1 month PE ✅)
  • 10min manual stretching
  • 10min LM (as Rope Assist)
  • Testicle Health Massage (2x 50 reps)
  • 5min clamping with silicone cable tie and edging
  • Erect Stretches
  • learning kegels and reverse kegels throughout the day
  • ball stretching 2x15min
  • 13h wearing Penimaster belt system
  • 4h wearing Penimaster rod system
Happy to say I've successfully done 1 month of PE, more in the next post(fire):)
 
Summary - 1 month of PE

Penimaster extender time:
Belt system: 370 hours
Rod system: 70 hours
Total: 440 hours

Manual stretching time:
Total: 360min - 6 hours

LM stretching time:
Total: 250min - 4.16 hours

Testicle Health Massage:
Total: 3000 reps

Erect Stretches:
Total: 95min - 1.58 hours

Clamping while edging:
Total: 150min - 2.5 hours

Edging:
Total: 150min - 2.5 hours


This should sum it up pretty good.
I haven't calculated jelqing, hanging, penimaster weight system and pumping as I've just shortly looked into it in my first few days while testing the devices and testing the exercises.
If I compare my penimaster extender time with my manual time it makes me feel sad and makes me think I'm not doing enough LOL
Like what is around 18-20 hours of manual work in a month? Nearly nothing, less than 1h a day.

But I have to say that I've learned so much, especially in my first 2-3 weeks I was reading 2-4 hours every single day in the forum, reading theories, progress threads, checked exercise videos and had been a lot in contact with pe-vets who gave me a ton of knowledge based on their personal experience.

So this was my first month and I can say that I'm proud of my progress so far.
I haven't measured and won't measure until the end of my 3rd month!
 
What do you consider "reps" in the THM? (confused)

Click - MoS Video Page
Check the Testicle Health Massage exercise on this site, DLD did lots of exercise videos and that's the old video area btw. :)
At first he's massaging the balls & my ballsack, then he's stretching the dick and ballsack. For each stretch I'm counting 1 rep (= repetition).
After 50 stretches I'm massaging my balls & ballsack again and then another 50 reps. For me that's the best way to count with that exercise LOL
 
Click - MoS Video Page
Check the THM on this site, DLD did lots of exercise videos and that's the old video area :)
At first he's massaging the balls & my ballsack, then he's stretching the dick and ballsack. For each stretch I'm counting 1 rep (= repetition).
After 50 stretches I'm massaging my balls & ballsack again and then another 50 reps. For me that's the best way to count with that exercise LOL
Ok. I was just curious because I usually count the time, 'cause I wouldn't know when a rep starts or ends. But I understand now. :D
 
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Click - MoS Video Page
Check the Testicle Health Massage exercise on this site, DLD did lots of exercise videos and that's the old video area :)
At first he's massaging the balls & my ballsack, then he's stretching the dick and ballsack. For each stretch I'm counting 1 rep (= repetition).
After 50 stretches I'm massaging my balls & ballsack again and then another 50 reps. For me that's the best way to count with that exercise LOL
Looking hungry brother! Keep up with that intensity, you'll be pulling in the gains in no time!
 
F26 - The Dark Knight rises - Routine Insights for Month 2:

Well, obviously some people will start recommending me now that I should do less, do lower intensity and stick to newbie stuff, but I really want to make progress and take PE more seriously now as I've already conditioned my dick a little bit after finishing my first 30 days of PE.

If you read my posts before I was quite often posting about 'length before girth'. Actually I still believe in it and have the same opinion but I'm planning to do PE for only 2-3 years until I reach my goal, so I have to create a little length/girth balance, else I may end up with a long thin dick in the worst case scenario (cwl)
Actually I would even do more than what I'm going to tell you now, but I want to stay consistent and I don't wanna stop because I'm too exhausted and then have 1 day off, then 2, 3, 4 until I fully stop - not with me! Before this happens I'll change back to a less time intensive routine.

I've had some thoughts about it and this is how I will start in my second month.
Some changes will come, as a new tool will arrive soon and I'll maybe do some slight changes here and there but mostly that will be it :)


Caution:
If you are a newbie or don't have a good feeling of your dick and PE at all - Do not even think of doing the same routine as you could really damage your dick with some exercises listed here or the routine intensity on its own!



Exercises
1) Stretching: ~ 30min
  • Testicle Health Massage - 5min
  • manual stretching - 10min
    • Half bundled Stretches
    • Bundled Stretches
    • A-Stretches
    • Under-Leg-Stretches
    • Ball-Lig-Stretches
    • Rotary Stretches
    • Dual Fulcrum Stretches
    • Tunica Fulcrum
  • LM stretching - 10min
    • Half bundled Stretches
    • Bundled Stretches
    • A-Stretches
    • Down-and-Out Stretches
    • Bow-and-Arrow Stretches
    • Side Fulcrum Stretches
    • Tunica Fulcrum Stretches
  • LM Power Assist Wrench - 5min (Click here) (doing very low intensity here, just light pushing) [ ⚠ Caution, this could damage your dick seriously]

2) 'Erect Work': ~ 30-45min (starting with 30min!)
  • Jelqing
  • Silicone Cable Tie Clamping
  • Edging
  • Erect Stretches
  • Erect Bends
3) Penimaster Pro Extender: ~ 14-16h per day (as much as I can)
  • belt system
  • rod system
4) Surprise Tool: Wearing all the other time during sleep & sports (if I can)



Additional Info:
About Stretching: (every day)
While stretching I won't do 1.5min per exercise and set a timer, on some days I'll do some exercises more than the others, on other days I'll do the other ones more, but basically I'm just stretching my dick in all kind of directions which I already did the last few days a little, now I just checked for the names of the exercises (cwl)

About Erect Work: (every 2nd day)
Here I'm basically mixing it up.
Jelqing a few min, then edging, clamping, doing erect stretches & bends while having the clamp on, taking the clamp off, doing a few min of jelqing, then stretching, bending, edging, putting the clamp on while edging and so on and so on...


Routine

Day 1Day 2
Stretching​
Stretching​
Erect Work​
Penimaster Extender​
Penimaster Extender​
Surprise Tool​
Surprise Tool​


So that's it.
It will be a very strict routine, I'll be focusing a lot on active PE time and I'll be maybe less active in the forum.
Wish me dedication & persistence, this will take a lot of willpower...

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You know your level of education. This is YOUR body. You are a very bright individual. Only YOU can find what works for YOU. As long as you do not seriously injure yourself, I say KEEP GOING! You are an inspiration, my brother. They told D to slow down as well.....
 
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F26 - The Dark Knight rises - Routine Insights for Month 2:

Well, obviously some people will start recommending me now that I should do less, do lower intensity and stick to newbie stuff, but I really want to make progress and take PE more seriously now as I've already conditioned my dick a little bit after finishing my first 30 days of PE.

You are right! But there is a reason for that recommendation :D
There are more downsides to an intense routine than damaging your penis.
When I first started taking my only-jelqing-routine more seriously, I made it a point to hold back on the measurements. I only did it from time to time, not obsessing over it. I trusted to results would come, so I worked on my patience. Also, I knew that, since I was only willing to do jelqing, it made on sense to expect quick results. This proved to be one of my best decisions in this journey. I gained about 1.2"/3,2 cm in BPEL in around 2 years.
Was 2 years too much time? I honestly don't know neither do I care. Looking back now, I'm nothing but thankful for those two years of dedication and discipline. It made me go from regular condoms to XL condoms. Even the little gains I lost in the mean time because they weren't cemented, weren't enough to make me go back to regular condoms. XL condoms still leave the a mark in the base of my dick due to my girth.
I only attained this due to patience AND to common sense. Meaning, I accepted the fact that off days would eventually come, whether I liked it or not, and my mindset was "ok, I couldn't do it yesterday, no problem, I'll pick up where I left". So, if I was already at 200 reps daily and skipped one day, I wouldn't do 400 reps the next day, I'd pick back up at 200 as if nothing had happened.
From my experience, slow growth is more sensible (and, I dare say, cements results more easily) than fast, intense growth.
Dedication is good, you have an awesome mindset and you have been informing yourself extensively, so you already have more theory and diversity knowledge than I do. But I can tell you from 2 years of daily hands-on experience that there is nothing wrong with taking it back a notch or two from time to time. :)
 
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If I were to have been a student through my journey, I would probably be stuck at a plateau, awaiting instruction from somebody who does not know my body. The best thing you can do, is to educate yourself. Be safe!!
 
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You know your level of education. This is YOUR body. You are a very bright individual. Only YOU can find what works for YOU. As long as you do not seriously injure yourself, I say KEEP GOING! You are an inspiration, my brother. They told D to slow down as well.....

If I were to have been a student through my journey, I would probably be stuck at a plateau, awaiting instruction from somebody who does not know my body. The best thing you can do, is to educate yourself. Be safe!!

Exactly, I've educated myself every single day a few hours for the last 4 weeks so I have some good knowledge about PE.
Also I've tried lots of different exercises and got a very good feeling about my penis and also have a good feeling about my body in general.
If I ever have injuries or somethings hurts I will directly stop, you saw it before when I tried hanging in the beginning and my dick wasn't ready and I've got a redish glans LOL even if people said it will soon stop if I keep pushing, no way man! Don't want a zombie dick!

You are right! But there is a reason for that recommendation LOL
There are more downsides to an intense routine than damaging your penis.
When I first started taking my only-jelqing-routine more seriously, I made it a point to hold back on the measurements. I only did it from time to time, not obsessing over it. I trusted to results would come, so I worked on my patience. Also, I knew that, since I was only willing to do jelqing, it made on sense to expect quick results. This proved to be one of my best decisions in this journey. I gained about 1.2"/3,2 cm in BPEL in around 2 years.
Was 2 years too much time? I honestly don't know neither do I care. Looking back now, I'm nothing but thankful for those two years of dedication and discipline. It made me go from regular condoms to XL condoms. Even the little gains I lost in the mean time because they weren't cemented, weren't enough to make me go back to regular condoms. XL condoms still leave the a mark in the base of my dick due to my girth.
I only attained this due to patience AND to common sense. Meaning, I accepted the fact that off days would eventually come, whether I liked it or not, and my mindset was "ok, I couldn't do it yesterday, no problem, I'll pick up where I left". So, if I was already at 200 reps daily and skipped one day, I wouldn't do 400 reps the next day, I'd pick back up at 200 as if nothing had happened.
From my experience, slow growth is more sensible (and, I dare say, cements results more easily) than fast, intense growth.
Dedication is good, you have an awesome mindset and you have been informing yourself extensively, so you already have more theory and diversity knowledge than I do. But I can tell you from 2 years of daily hands-on experience that there is nothing wrong with taking it back a notch or two from time to time. :)

1.2" in 2 years are great results, don't get me wrong with what I've written.
But I for myself don't want to invest more than 3years of my lifetime with PE in general. There's so much great stuff in the world which I want to see, PE is just a thing for me to improve my body and also improve the skills and feeling about my dick.

With "off" days, not a big deal if I really can't do it because I'm too exhausted of my day or I feel my dick needs recovery, I already had 1 day without extender in my first month LOL If it happens, it happens. But I won't take it as excuse, because I'm planning it before my day starts to there's really no way I couldn't do it, except I would wake up too late, but that would be my mistake then!

Also if I feel this is too much for my dick now in the second month, I will slow down a bit.
If you have read my log in the beginning you saw that I already did this in my first month and I'm very happy that I've made the decision and now built a habit of daily PE work. I don't stress myself too much, but I also don't take it too easy. As said I don't see it as hobby to enjoy the PE time and having fun, I'm doing this for improving myself in order to get gains and get rid of my turkey neck :)

The belt systems rocks! The ultimate belt!

100% DLD. I love the PMP belt system, it's very comfortable. The rod system is also great, but I don't like walking around with it as you can feel it when you're moving. But the belt system is completely stealth and even comfortable to wear LOL
 
Dude thats a primo routine! ?? Also, make sure you use baby powder for grip when stretching. Make all the difference in the world.

Thanks @jekyllnhyde360 (flex) hope I have enough willpower to keep it going and not giving up!
Definitely, I'm using 'corn powder' it has the same effect like baby powder, but doesn't have a bad effect for the lungs and is even cheaper :D
It's making a big difference and since using it I'm not slipping off anymore while stretching :)
 
Day 31: (1st day of new Routine :) )
  • Testicle Health Massage - 5min
  • manual stretching - 10min
  • LM stretching - 10min
  • LM Power Assist Wrench - 5min
  • Erect Work - 30min
  • learning kegels and reverse kegels throughout the day
  • ball stretching 2x15min
  • 14h wearing Penimaster belt system
  • 2h wearing Penimaster rod system

First day was a great success, loved jelqing and the erect work!
But also glad I just have to do it every 2nd day in my routine as I'm doing wet jelqing with cream/oil and have to clean up afterwards :D
As for stretching the LM Power Assist Wrench really make my ligs feel fatigue, even if I just do it very very carefully and pushing slightly into the ligs, love that exercise! Also fully in love with the LM as I can have a much higher intensity then when I would just do manual stretching (fire)
 
Day 32:
  • Testicle Health Massage - 5min
  • manual stretching - 10min
  • LM stretching - 10min
  • LM Power Assist Wrench - 5min
  • learning kegels and reverse kegels throughout the day
  • ball stretching 2x15min
  • 15h wearing Penimaster belt system
  • 1h wearing Penimaster rod system
Glad I'm doing the mixed days as I wouldn't had been motivated for erect work today :D
So I think it's refreshing for me to do it like this and have a little bit of variety. One day more focus on stretching, other day stretching + erect work.
And even if sometimes in the future I'd love to do some erect work daily, it's just 1 day away so it's not a problem, keeps a little variety in my training and doesn't exhaust me pe-wise too much :)

Also I believe in doing tasks in the early morning before we start into the day really gives a good feeling and boost.
With this kind of strategy we already have in our inner mind that we have done something successfully and can take it off from our 'daily To-Do' list.
It's much more comfortable for me doing it in the early morning, compared to doing it in the evening when I'm sometimes tired or exhausted from the day.
The only problem is that we should stay away from the 'snooze' button on our alarm clocks, else it could be very stressy and we would be running low on time and everything needs to be done fast, which would be counterproductive.

Afterwards a refreshing cold shower and coffee/tea = perfect start into crushing the day (fire) (flex)
 
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