Discoloration since 8 Months still not going away

Good to hear back from you brother. Yes, I know that medication. My two kids used the medication with different brand name but containing tacrolimus as the ingredients for their servere eczema. Eczema is also known to depigmentize the effected skin area. This is why why your dermatologist suggested it because the hydrocortizone does act like an eczema promoter in a perfect condition (the bad perfect conditions as in the Perfect Storm).

If you want to try it, do only a spot application check. Use a cotton swab or a small applicator for one spot only Leave the rest alone. Make sure to isolate the cream from spreading out of the area by only applying during rest or free time when you can be butt naked until the cream is dried off. Most of the time, including my kids, the skin repigmentation takes between 2 to 3 months. However, each person is different due to biochemistry their bodies produce, and real life factors in play. So, you can do spot treatment only. No more than than. Nothing venture, nothing gain. Since you are healthy, it will not cause any issues.

My dermatologists also indicated that ingredients ruxolitinib cream is very effective in restoring pigmentation, but the ailments the cream is used for is completely off from your diagnosis. It's a lot more potent for what it does to restore pigmentation.
Thanks for the quick reply my brother. Do you think it would be a better option to try this cream instead of just waiting and not doing anything? Because I don't want to make things worse or cause more irritation. If it comes back on its own, I would wait too.
I've read that it takes up to a year for it to go away on its own. But so far there has been no repigmentation after over 2-3 months, I haven't even seen small dark spots there.

If you think it will go away on its own, then I'll wait without any further experiments. What would your personal recommendation be?

As you rightly said, I have to be naked when I apply the cream and only on that spot. What happens if it gets on healthy skin that isn't white-spotted? It's not easy to apply the cream exactly on that spot without it getting on other areas.

Wouldn't a retinal cream be good too? It stimulates cell renewal too. I use coconut oil every morning to care for the skin on my penis. I think I can at least keep doing that, right?
 
Thanks for the quick reply my brother. Do you think it would be a better option to try this cream instead of just waiting and not doing anything? Because I don't want to make things worse or cause more irritation. If it comes back on its own, I would wait too.
If I'm in your shoes, I'm willing to try using spot treatment method. I've done that as well for various part of my body, be my face, my legs, arms, stomach, and even my butt cheeks. I even tested an anti-fungal medication for my feet just to test even though I don't have any issues. Why? Always test when you're still healthy because you never know when you need to rely on the medication down the line. Of course, your body will change over time, but at least you know what you're allergic to, or not, way ahead of time.

I've read that it takes up to a year for it to go away on its own. But so far there has been no repigmentation after over 2-3 months, I haven't even seen small dark spots there.
Exactly. If nothing seem to change, might as well force it to change. If you have the patience, allow time to take its course. If you don't want to and willing to experiment like I do, take a step forward with it.

If you think it will go away on its own, then I'll wait without any further experiments. What would your personal recommendation be?
For my face, I was thinking my age spot, or liver spot, or the many terms that come with it, would go away as well acccording to my dermatologists. It didn't. It got bigger. For my kids' eczema depigmentation, our dermatologists pointed out that the skin would return in a few months once the eczema was treated. It did, but it took over a year. Latter episodes of eczema, we treated it with cream, eczema went away, and repigmentation came back.

For my arm, I had a scarring patch caused by 3rd degree burn from a tool I used. Scarring healed, but repigmentation did not come back for 2 years even under the intense sun exposure. The surround healthy skin darken and ligten by shades, but that patch never get the right pigmentation. I used the various creams to promote pigmentation gain to match. This is mainly for my own experimentation so I can report back to the dermatologists and my family for their own references. I don't care if I'm a zebra with odd patterns.

As you rightly said, I have to be naked when I apply the cream and only on that spot. What happens if it gets on healthy skin that isn't white-spotted? It's not easy to apply the cream exactly on that spot without it getting on other areas.
You can apply the cream, leave it on for 20 minutes until it dries, and cover with a reusable flexible bandage to prevent spreading and quick absorption. This will prevent the similar fiasco as the hydrocortisone. Well, this is me.

Wouldn't a retinal cream be good too?
Yes is is. It's a much safer alternative, but it will take a bit longer than the presciption versions. Over the counter tends to be much safer and less potent. However, each country is different. I went to Mexico and the selection of over the counter potency products were crazy. Their breast enlargement creams containing chemicals that actually causes men's scrotum to enlarge faster than the breasts. Yeah, I'm not going there.

It stimulates cell renewal too. I use coconut oil every morning to care for the skin on my penis. I think I can at least keep doing that, right?
Yes it can indeed. But only use one or the other and not both. Coconut oil will act as a defensive layer to prevent retinol from absorbing, and retinol will act as a filler to prevent the oil from functioning properly.
 
If I'm in your shoes, I'm willing to try using spot treatment method. I've done that as well for various part of my body, be my face, my legs, arms, stomach, and even my butt cheeks. I even tested an anti-fungal medication for my feet just to test even though I don't have any issues. Why? Always test when you're still healthy because you never know when you need to rely on the medication down the line. Of course, your body will change over time, but at least you know what you're allergic to, or not, way ahead of time.


Exactly. If nothing seem to change, might as well force it to change. If you have the patience, allow time to take its course. If you don't want to and willing to experiment like I do, take a step forward with it.


For my face, I was thinking my age spot, or liver spot, or the many terms that come with it, would go away as well acccording to my dermatologists. It didn't. It got bigger. For my kids' eczema depigmentation, our dermatologists pointed out that the skin would return in a few months once the eczema was treated. It did, but it took over a year. Latter episodes of eczema, we treated it with cream, eczema went away, and repigmentation came back.

For my arm, I had a scarring patch caused by 3rd degree burn from a tool I used. Scarring healed, but repigmentation did not come back for 2 years even under the intense sun exposure. The surround healthy skin darken and ligten by shades, but that patch never get the right pigmentation. I used the various creams to promote pigmentation gain to match. This is mainly for my own experimentation so I can report back to the dermatologists and my family for their own references. I don't care if I'm a zebra with odd patterns.


You can apply the cream, leave it on for 20 minutes until it dries, and cover with a reusable flexible bandage to prevent spreading and quick absorption. This will prevent the similar fiasco as the hydrocortisone. Well, this is me.


Yes is is. It's a much safer alternative, but it will take a bit longer than the presciption versions. Over the counter tends to be much safer and less potent. However, each country is different. I went to Mexico and the selection of over the counter potency products were crazy. Their breast enlargement creams containing chemicals that actually causes men's scrotum to enlarge faster than the breasts. Yeah, I'm not going there.


Yes it can indeed. But only use one or the other and not both. Coconut oil will act as a defensive layer to prevent retinol from absorbing, and retinol will act as a filler to prevent the oil from functioning properly.
As always, I'm happy to get such detailed answers from you oldandlively. I would also use the retinal serum if it would help, but also the tacrolimus cream if I knew it would do something. I can give the Protopic a try and carefully put a little on the spot and let it absorb. The only advantage I have is that my hypopigmentation is not caused by a wound or scar. So maybe there is hope there. What I don't quite understand, though, is why the retinal serum could help? I tried that once to remove the dark spots on the shaft. How could it then darken light spots again? Did your son have any side effects when he used the tacrolimus cream? Skin irritation, drying out?

I would then take a break from the coconut oil while I try the other creams. You put it correctly, the hydrocortisone cream was a real fiasco. I didn't need it. Plus the dark spot is still there, I haven't done anything about it for now and am still waiting to see what happens.
 
As always, I'm happy to get such detailed answers from you oldandlively.
You know we're always here for one another. You're in good company.

I would also use the retinal serum if it would help, but also the tacrolimus cream if I knew it would do something. I can give the Protopic a try and carefully put a little on the spot and let it absorb.
Tacrolimus is the ingredient used by Protopic. Each region and country have their own formulation and distribution under different brand/name to prevent copyrights and lawsuits. Overall, the base formulation is the same.

The only advantage I have is that my hypopigmentation is not caused by a wound or scar. So maybe there is hope there.
Yes, it is. It's all due to chemical reactions. In your case, it's chemical bleaching, or in the medical arena, it's chemical burn.

What I don't quite understand, though, is why the retinal serum could help? I tried that once to remove the dark spots on the shaft. How could it then darken light spots again?
That's the funny thing about chemical interactions with our pH and biological chemical release through the sweat glans. Our pH causes by salt, a low level of hormones, and of course, oil. Our natural oil has been adapting to our needs for decades. We don't know everything there is to know about the chemicals that interact with our natural body. This is why I do compatibility check whenever I can in spots where it's hard to see, My wife joked around last night that my butt cheeks, a small portion of it, looks like I have dark eye patches. Why? I spot check a skin treatment for her and my kids to see if the chemicals may be too harsh for them. I did a tiny spot check on her and my kids, and sure enough, the chemical was pretty harsh on most of us. However, one of us, the chemical was not as harsh and it work for one of my kids.

In your case, when you use the lightener, the chemical reacted too intensely and too effectively. It turns your dark patch to light patch. This is chemical bleaching/burn. Your burn is not even 1st degree burn, but nearly there burn. Think of hydrogen peroxide burn on your scalp when you try to bleach your hair. It may not show always, but there are chemical burns, bleaching the skin. Same when you have too much salt on your skin, especially around the back of the ears, the neck or near the forehead. You'll probably see some fine lightness of the skin due to alkaline burn. Most don't see it immediately, but they're there.

When using a different cream to encourage darken skin, the opposite will happen. However, do becareful that it may over darken in no time at all.

Did your son have any side effects when he used the tacrolimus cream? Skin irritation, drying out?
Yes, big time. First was irritation, then dryness, then redness, and at times, even chemical peeling. We stop, restarted, stop, restarted, and through a few months, the body manage to boost its healing factors with the assistance of the medication.

I would then take a break from the coconut oil while I try the other creams. You put it correctly, the hydrocortisone cream was a real fiasco. I didn't need it. Plus the dark spot is still there, I haven't done anything about it for now and am still waiting to see what happens.
We'll find a way around it. There are way too many chemicals for everything. We just need to be patience and find the safest route to achieve what we need.
 
You know we're always here for one another. You're in good company.


Tacrolimus is the ingredient used by Protopic. Each region and country have their own formulation and distribution under different brand/name to prevent copyrights and lawsuits. Overall, the base formulation is the same.


Yes, it is. It's all due to chemical reactions. In your case, it's chemical bleaching, or in the medical arena, it's chemical burn.


That's the funny thing about chemical interactions with our pH and biological chemical release through the sweat glans. Our pH causes by salt, a low level of hormones, and of course, oil. Our natural oil has been adapting to our needs for decades. We don't know everything there is to know about the chemicals that interact with our natural body. This is why I do compatibility check whenever I can in spots where it's hard to see, My wife joked around last night that my butt cheeks, a small portion of it, looks like I have dark eye patches. Why? I spot check a skin treatment for her and my kids to see if the chemicals may be too harsh for them. I did a tiny spot check on her and my kids, and sure enough, the chemical was pretty harsh on most of us. However, one of us, the chemical was not as harsh and it work for one of my kids.

In your case, when you use the lightener, the chemical reacted too intensely and too effectively. It turns your dark patch to light patch. This is chemical bleaching/burn. Your burn is not even 1st degree burn, but nearly there burn. Think of hydrogen peroxide burn on your scalp when you try to bleach your hair. It may not show always, but there are chemical burns, bleaching the skin. Same when you have too much salt on your skin, especially around the back of the ears, the neck or near the forehead. You'll probably see some fine lightness of the skin due to alkaline burn. Most don't see it immediately, but they're there.

When using a different cream to encourage darken skin, the opposite will happen. However, do becareful that it may over darken in no time at all.


Yes, big time. First was irritation, then dryness, then redness, and at times, even chemical peeling. We stop, restarted, stop, restarted, and through a few months, the body manage to boost its healing factors with the assistance of the medication.


We'll find a way around it. There are way too many chemicals for everything. We just need to be patience and find the safest route to achieve what we need.
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You know we're always here for one another. You're in good company.


Tacrolimus is the ingredient used by Protopic. Each region and country have their own formulation and distribution under different brand/name to prevent copyrights and lawsuits. Overall, the base formulation is the same.


Yes, it is. It's all due to chemical reactions. In your case, it's chemical bleaching, or in the medical arena, it's chemical burn.


That's the funny thing about chemical interactions with our pH and biological chemical release through the sweat glans. Our pH causes by salt, a low level of hormones, and of course, oil. Our natural oil has been adapting to our needs for decades. We don't know everything there is to know about the chemicals that interact with our natural body. This is why I do compatibility check whenever I can in spots where it's hard to see, My wife joked around last night that my butt cheeks, a small portion of it, looks like I have dark eye patches. Why? I spot check a skin treatment for her and my kids to see if the chemicals may be too harsh for them. I did a tiny spot check on her and my kids, and sure enough, the chemical was pretty harsh on most of us. However, one of us, the chemical was not as harsh and it work for one of my kids.

In your case, when you use the lightener, the chemical reacted too intensely and too effectively. It turns your dark patch to light patch. This is chemical bleaching/burn. Your burn is not even 1st degree burn, but nearly there burn. Think of hydrogen peroxide burn on your scalp when you try to bleach your hair. It may not show always, but there are chemical burns, bleaching the skin. Same when you have too much salt on your skin, especially around the back of the ears, the neck or near the forehead. You'll probably see some fine lightness of the skin due to alkaline burn. Most don't see it immediately, but they're there.

When using a different cream to encourage darken skin, the opposite will happen. However, do becareful that it may over darken in no time at all.


Yes, big time. First was irritation, then dryness, then redness, and at times, even chemical peeling. We stop, restarted, stop, restarted, and through a few months, the body manage to boost its healing factors with the assistance of the medication.


We'll find a way around it. There are way too many chemicals for everything. We just need to be patience and find the safest route to achieve what we need.
I'm definitely in good company here. I'm glad that I can get advice to hopefully solve the problem. So if your son had a reaction like that to Tacrolimus, like dryness and irritation, then I'm a bit worried about testing the cream on a sensitive area like the skin of the penis. I don't want to make it worse.

Sure, the dermatologist recommended this cream to me and I told him which area it was. But maybe I should try something else? What happens if the cream touches healthy skin, will it get even darker? I don’t think that this happens that fast? Should I try the retinal serum first better, would that help? Or just wait, it's 3 months now
 
I'm definitely in good company here. I'm glad that I can get advice to hopefully solve the problem. So if your son had a reaction like that to Tacrolimus, like dryness and irritation, then I'm a bit worried about testing the cream on a sensitive area like the skin of the penis. I don't want to make it worse.
This is why it's a personal selection, weighing the risk vs benefits. Spot treatment is just for that purpose. Minimizing risk even with the treatment but testing for possible benefits.

Sure, the dermatologist recommended this cream to me and I told him which area it was. But maybe I should try something else?
You can definitely ask for something else they know about as over the counter or prescription that is less potent or reactive. However, we don't know how your skin will react until a week worth of application test.

What happens if the cream touches healthy skin, will it get even darker?
Yes, and no. No clue on how the chemical ingredients will act. You can do a spot check elsewhere, like your inner thigh that don't get exposed but the skin is still sensitive.

I don’t think that this happens that fast?
Most of the times no. It will take a week for the body to interact with the chemicals before anything can happen. However, in your case, it practically happened over night. So the interaction may be in hours or within days.

Should I try the retinal serum first better, would that help? Or just wait, it's 3 months now
Retinol is very safe. Give that a try. If your body reacts with the retinol violently like the hydrocortisone, something is truly admist.
 
This is why it's a personal selection, weighing the risk vs benefits. Spot treatment is just for that purpose. Minimizing risk even with the treatment but testing for possible benefits.


You can definitely ask for something else they know about as over the counter or prescription that is less potent or reactive. However, we don't know how your skin will react until a week worth of application test.


Yes, and no. No clue on how the chemical ingredients will act. You can do a spot check elsewhere, like your inner thigh that don't get exposed but the skin is still sensitive.


Most of the times no. It will take a week for the body to interact with the chemicals before anything can happen. However, in your case, it practically happened over night. So the interaction may be in hours or within days.


Retinol is very safe. Give that a try. If your body reacts with the retinol violently like the hydrocortisone, something is truly admist.
I think I'll just go All In and try Tacrolimus out for a few days, just on the spot, and see what happens. I don't think it can make it any worse. I'll apply it very thinly and just on the spot, at least I try to not touch healthy skin. I don't think anything else would help as much and take longer, just see what happens. When I tried the Retinal Serum under the shaft for the dark spot, nothing happened. I think it will be the same with the light spot. And everything I've read about retinal says that it's more for Hyperpigmentation, not Hypopigmentation. So I think it will help even less here.
 
I think I'll just go All In and try Tacrolimus out for a few days, just on the spot, and see what happens. I don't think it can make it any worse. I'll apply it very thinly and just on the spot, at least I try to not touch healthy skin. I don't think anything else would help as much and take longer, just see what happens. When I tried the Retinal Serum under the shaft for the dark spot, nothing happened. I think it will be the same with the light spot. And everything I've read about retinal says that it's more for Hyperpigmentation, not Hypopigmentation. So I think it will help even less here.
I hope it works for you. It would be great to have another solution. The MOSRED is also a good way to prevent discoloration.
 
I think I'll just go All In and try Tacrolimus out for a few days, just on the spot, and see what happens. I don't think it can make it any worse.
Good man. Nothing venture, nothing gain. Can't say the same for my white-brown zebra butt cheeks. This is why I don't go to nude colonies any more. I look like a zebra in the tanned and ghostly white herds.

I'll apply it very thinly and just on the spot, at least I try to not touch healthy skin. I don't think anything else would help as much and take longer, just see what happens.
Perfect. Spot treatment can be half the size of the spot itself, literally, applying using a tip of a toothpick, minus the pointed end.

When I tried the Retinal Serum under the shaft for the dark spot, nothing happened. I think it will be the same with the light spot. And everything I've read about retinal says that it's more for Hyperpigmentation, not Hypopigmentation. So I think it will help even less here.
Retinol has unique formulation for both hyper and hypo, depending on what the formulation is focused on. Retinol acts more of a delivery mechanism by binding to the shallow areas of the skin and it holds onto the chemical agents meant to be delivered to the lower part of the skin that responsible for hypo and hyperpigmentation. This is where the research comes into play for the available formulation in your region. We have plenty over here, but the truly effective ones required prescriptions.
 
Good man. Nothing venture, nothing gain. Can't say the same for my white-brown zebra butt cheeks. This is why I don't go to nude colonies any more. I look like a zebra in the tanned and ghostly white herds.


Perfect. Spot treatment can be half the size of the spot itself, literally, applying using a tip of a toothpick, minus the pointed end.


Retinol has unique formulation for both hyper and hypo, depending on what the formulation is focused on. Retinol acts more of a delivery mechanism by binding to the shallow areas of the skin and it holds onto the chemical agents meant to be delivered to the lower part of the skin that responsible for hypo and hyperpigmentation. This is where the research comes into play for the available formulation in your region. We have plenty over here, but the truly effective ones required prescriptions.
You have discoloration?
 
Good man. Nothing venture, nothing gain. Can't say the same for my white-brown zebra butt cheeks. This is why I don't go to nude colonies any more. I look like a zebra in the tanned and ghostly white herds.


Perfect. Spot treatment can be half the size of the spot itself, literally, applying using a tip of a toothpick, minus the pointed end.


Retinol has unique formulation for both hyper and hypo, depending on what the formulation is focused on. Retinol acts more of a delivery mechanism by binding to the shallow areas of the skin and it holds onto the chemical agents meant to be delivered to the lower part of the skin that responsible for hypo and hyperpigmentation. This is where the research comes into play for the available formulation in your region. We have plenty over here, but the truly effective ones required prescriptions.
Well, my mind is actually telling me that I should maybe wait a little longer, because it's only been three months since the lightening. But my impatience is making me give it a try now, because not even small dark spots have been formed.

I had to laugh at that Zebra comment :D. To be honest, I would have preferred it to be somewhere other than on my penis. And also what haven't quite get better is that the skin still seems to be a little thinner there. As if a light layer from the top has gone, shouldn't the skin there get thicker again after time? I know this is also a side effect from cortisol cream. Can’t believe that all that happend just from one time applying. Is 1% cortisone cream a strong dose? that is what I used. I wish it should have bleached on the shaft where it is needed instead on the top.
 
Well, my mind is actually telling me that I should maybe wait a little longer, because it's only been three months since the lightening. But my impatience is making me give it a try now, because not even small dark spots have been formed.

I had to laugh at that Zebra comment :D. To be honest, I would have preferred it to be somewhere other than on my penis. And also what haven't quite get better is that the skin still seems to be a little thinner there.
Thinner is definitely young skin. That's from chemical burn alright. That skin is definitely young. It it take at least 5 continuous skin shedding for it to thicken up. Each shedding can be any where between 3 weeks to 2 months. Skin along the shaft is much different than the on the glans.

As if a light layer from the top has gone, shouldn't the skin there get thicker again after time? I know this is also a side effect from cortisol cream.
Exactly just that. Cortisol and hydrocortisone creams have different formulation depending on the manufacturers, and even some batches. They are never perfect, and your body chemistry reacts completely different even with just 0.01% off. The world of chemical pains.

Can’t believe that all that happend just from one time applying. Is 1% cortisone cream a strong dose? that is what I used. I wish it should have bleached on the shaft where it is needed instead on the top.
1% commonly is not strong at all. 2% and be more reactive. Anything past 5% requires prescription. For those who still need the cortisol cream but less on the reactivity, it goes down as far as 0.1%. Some babies actually need this low level formulation for certain skin conditions.
 
Used to. But I do have odd coloration patches because I spot treat my skin for the various bleaching and tanning/darkening compounds. Can't have my wife's skin be a test subject, so she volunteered me.
Thank you for that. I have no discoloration but when I training I did. When I went to a light workout of maintaining it faded very quickly
 
Thinner is definitely young skin. That's from chemical burn alright. That skin is definitely young. It it take at least 5 continuous skin shedding for it to thicken up. Each shedding can be any where between 3 weeks to 2 months. Skin along the shaft is much different than the on the glans.


Exactly just that. Cortisol and hydrocortisone creams have different formulation depending on the manufacturers, and even some batches. They are never perfect, and your body chemistry reacts completely different even with just 0.01% off. The world of chemical pains.


1% commonly is not strong at all. 2% and be more reactive. Anything past 5% requires prescription. For those who still need the cortisol cream but less on the reactivity, it goes down as far as 0.1%. Some babies actually need this low level formulation for certain skin conditions.
Well, I think I'll only start trying the protopic cream next week. I don't know why I'm worried that it might make it worse? I should give the skin some weeks more to settle down?

I would also like to know whether taking copper orally as a dietary supplement and zinc together might speed up the repigmentation?

I was also surprised to read that in some cases of Vitiligo applying a corticosteroid cream to affected skin might return the color. This is most effective when vitiligo is still in its early stages.

But the cortisone cream caused the hypopigmentation for me, so why should it supposedly darken the skin with vitiligo?
 
Well, I think I'll only start trying the protopic cream next week. I don't know why I'm worried that it might make it worse? I should give the skin some weeks more to settle down?
You can wait a few more weeks just to be sure just for good measure. Giving those extra weeks will also toughen the skin up a bit more.

I would also like to know whether taking copper orally as a dietary supplement and zinc together might speed up the repigmentation?
No. Copper is only one component. It's actually iron that increases the pigmentation with antioxidants.

I was also surprised to read that in some cases of Vitiligo applying a corticosteroid cream to affected skin might return the color. This is most effective when vitiligo is still in its early stages.

But the cortisone cream caused the hypopigmentation for me, so why should it supposedly darken the skin with vitiligo?
And that's the kicker. Why would a dermatologist suggested in the first place? Two bad things to make a good thing?
 
You can wait a few more weeks just to be sure just for good measure. Giving those extra weeks will also toughen the skin up a bit more.


No. Copper is only one component. It's actually iron that increases the pigmentation with antioxidants.


And that's the kicker. Why would a dermatologist suggested in the first place? Two bad things to make a good thing?
Yes, I hope that at least the skin will thicken again because that seems to be happening very slowly. But up until now, what you said was always right. So I'm positive and hope that it will be good. It's still light, I think I'll start using the cream next week. It's somehow bothering me that this happened to me.
 
It happens to all of us brother, in some form or another, be a darken shade from too much sun to snow white skin because of some sulfur during a dip in a natural hot spring. Don't let it get to you.
 
Yes, I hope that at least the skin will thicken again because that seems to be happening very slowly. But up until now, what you said was always right. So I'm positive and hope that it will be good. It's still light, I think I'll start using the cream next week. It's somehow bothering me that this happened to me.
What cream are you going to use?
 
It happens to all of us brother, in some form or another, be a darken shade from too much sun to snow white skin because of some sulfur during a dip in a natural hot spring. Don't let it get to you.
Thanks brother for the kind words, I really appreciate it. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it works out.
 
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