Cutting phase nearing end: Estimated body fat?

[TomdW]

actually, we could eat meat raw if they weren't harvested in such close quarters, breeding diseases like there's no tomorrow. Did you know that one in three chickens have salmonella? Do you think that stat was true before we started farming them? I think not. I have no problem eating raw cow, in fact, I always order my steak "black and blue" which is a step below raw and I order a couple pounds at that. So I don't think you are correct on that.

Also, our teeth have evolved to be less carnivorous because somewhere along the lines, carnivorous teeth were not needed...either in a time when raw flesh was scarce or we developed tools that made it easier. Wild animals have to attack the whole animal, which makes it difficult especially around the ribcage area. With a knife (or a primitive tool similar) makes this much easier. Live flesh doesn't have microorganisms (atleast in appreciabe amounts) so eating the flesh raw is not a problem. If you ate a two week old piece of raw flesh (as most sold in supermarkets is) you sure as hell better cook that!

I just can't believe in the vegan theory that humans aren't carnivores! Even if you try to justify by saying that it is cruel, even God Himself says in the book of Genesis that he grants us all animals and plants that bear seeds and green plants, etc... There is no way to justify us NOT being carnivores! I have nothing against being vegan if you choose to do so, but it is unfair to hold it agianst everyone else!

Good post. It's nice to hear the other side of the story in a calm and informative way.

I choose to eat the way that I do simply because I seem to feel better and it helps my skin condition (psoriasis) not because I don't want to kill animals.That is simply an added bonus. I also believe that vegetables have all the necessary nutrients etc, that my body needs. I don't however think that those that choose to eat meat are somehow bad and I don't hold it against them in any way. I am just expressing my opinions here.

I'd like to address one commonly held misunderstanding about the vegan diet.

Protein. We should look at how much protein we really need in our diets. Some resent research shows that we only need about 25 grams of protein per day. The average Westerner that eats meat and eggs gets about 3-5 times that amount (75-125g). Our bodies are on average only 7% protein (70% water, 20% fat, 1-2% vitamins and minerals and 0.5-1% sugar). Most meats are 20 to 25% protein. They therefore provide much more than the human body requires. It makes good sense to eat in proportion to what your body is made of.

Another point is that spinach is higher in amino acids (the building blocks of protein) than steak. Cow's milk too is far too protein rich for our bodies. As an example look at milk that is designed for the human being - breast milk. Breast milk is about 5% protein (some sources put it even lower at about 2%). It's meant to be the sole source of nutrition for a human who is growing faster than at any other time of their life, more than doubling their body mass within the first year. If we really needed highly concentrated sources of protein for good growth and health our mother's milk would contain it.

One more point here. Look at some of the biggest and strongest land animals, the gorilla and the elephant. They eat no meat. They are, in fact, vegans. They are obviously not in need of any more protein. What do they live on.....leaves and grass.

If you really want to drink cow's milk then go and suck on a cow's udder. Goldmember, I can understand you eating a raw steak but this is a bit more extreme.

 

[kfarrelldba]

Now I'm not nitpicking here. Anybody willing to better their body and anyone trying gets an A+ from me. But from the pics, I'm wondering how you guys can give him such a low body fat % estimate when there is obviously what seems to me to be a large gut present. Are these before pictures? Where are the abs?

Again, I'm not picking on the guy, just curious. Keep up the good work man.

Kevin

 

[Jamian]

Now I'm not nitpicking here. Anybody willing to better their body and anyone trying gets an A+ from me. But from the pics, I'm wondering how you guys can give him such a low body fat % estimate when there is obviously what seems to me to be a large gut present. Are these before pictures? Where are the abs?

Again, I'm not picking on the guy, just curious. Keep up the good work man.

Kevin

I think I will have to disagree with you there. The only picture in which I have somewhat of a gut is the second one, and that took more lighting to be shown. A large gut would be a man with 25-30% body fat and a waist bigger then 35.

My waist is about 32 inches and since my upper abs are clearly visable, these in conjunction with each other puts me around 16%-17% body fat. The body fat range I want to get in is 8-12%. The disirable waist size would probably be in the 27-29 inch range, depending on the amount of muscle in the abs and obliques.

I think the conflict here is what you think of low. Although, it depends on how you look at it, 12% or below is generally the amount of body fat considered in the low range. It might be more or less depending on your experiences.

 

[9cyclops9]

Protein. We should look at how much protein we really need in our diets. Some resent research shows that we only need about 25 grams of protein per day. The average Westerner that eats meat and eggs gets about 3-5 times that amount (75-125g). Our bodies are on average only 7% protein (70% water, 20% fat, 1-2% vitamins and minerals and 0.5-1% sugar). Most meats are 20 to 25% protein. They therefore provide much more than the human body requires. It makes good sense to eat in proportion to what your body is made of.

There's a difference in what we need and what is optimal. I recently read about a man that survived on only popcorn for many months, maybe even over a year but I can't remember exactly. Obviously, the body can make do with the bare minimum, but that doesn't mean that eating the bare minimum is the best way to go. Especially since we're talking bodybuilding.

Sorry for my rant earlier. Vegans really bug me, especially "moral vegans," but perhaps I should have kept to myself.

 

[Jamian]

There's a difference in what we need and what is optimal. I recently read about a man that survived on only popcorn for many months, maybe even over a year but I can't remember exactly. Obviously, the body can make do with the bare minimum, but that doesn't mean that eating the bare minimum is the best way to go. Especially since we're talking bodybuilding.

Sorry for my rant earlier. Vegans really bug me, especially "moral vegans," but perhaps I should have kept to myself.

I ignored the rest of the post for some reason. I only looked at your one sentence on liver tabs.

You have your opinions and you are free to express them. I have no grudges against you for that.

And no, I don't drink whey.

I really guess I prefer not to eat animals because I just love them too much. It would be like eating another human to me.

Of course I love the damn taste. But I also love ice cream cake and candy. I'm better off being vegan because most of the non-vegan things are bad for me. Of course, not all of them are, but in my experience they mostly are. And non-vegan food is usually in the 2.5g to around 10g range with the amount of saturated fat, which adds up pretty quickly.

To me it's just easier to be vegan healthwise, and it helps the animals.

 

[Jamian]

New pictures of me. These are more clear.

They are nude, so heed that warning.
Well, if you're on this site, you should probably expect 90% of the pictures will be nude of course anyway.

Was a bit unsure if nude pictures were allowed in this section or not... but whatever, they have to do with bodybuilding.

 

[prince Albert]

Whats your routine look like?

 

[TomdW]

Those pictures look totally different. You seem to be in good shape at least with a pretty good amount of muscle. Keep it up mate.

 

[kfarrelldba]

Yeah, the second set of pics look much better. The first ones, look like you have a tire around your waist, but maybe it's just the pics. The arms are looking good. Bigger than mine. But I've only been really lifting 1 month.
Now I'm getting 5 dental implants and will be on a juice diet for a month or so. So so much for bulking up

 

[goldmember]

Yeah, the second set of pics look much better. The first ones, look like you have a tire around your waist, but maybe it's just the pics. The arms are looking good. Bigger than mine. But I've only been really lifting 1 month.
Now I'm getting 5 dental implants and will be on a juice diet for a month or so. So so much for bulking up

you can still bulk up on shakes! Get a blender that crushes ice and have fun!