TWIST&PULL
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SIM and DLD will say it doesn’t matter and I’m not saying it does,
But for me it’s a goal to aim for, it shows me that I’m increasing intensity and my tempory elongation is increasing.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will
It’s tough and damn uncomfortable to push the next 180, but for me when you do you can see and feel the growth.
Honestly, at 4 months your probably not being aggressive enough.
But for me it’s a goal to aim for, it shows me that I’m increasing intensity and my tempory elongation is increasing.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will
It’s tough and damn uncomfortable to push the next 180, but for me when you do you can see and feel the growth.
Honestly, at 4 months your probably not being aggressive enough.
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I believe you need to work on to maximize your bundles. Tug at the limit at what you can do, and with time you will increase this more and more.
Please do not put words in my mouth.
Maybe you misinterpreted me in some way?
Sometimes I give kind advice to brothers, just because I know it is not necessary to maximize your bundles in order to gain, but you will gain faster and more solid if you maximize your intensity with more bundles (more rotations of your penis). You will even be able to gain with only 1 session per day when you have got to the maximum intensity. But it takes a lot to get here (not easy at all).
In my experience it's also easier to cement the length gain if you maximize your bundles.
The more bundles you do with extremely high intensity, the faster you will be able to gain. If you get 2 cm (~0.79 Inch) temporary flaccid stretched length after a session of 20 minutes (10 min x 2), you will have a similar intensity that I had.
Before I quit lengthmastering I completely maximized the rotations of my penis (not every session, but very often), this was necessary for me in order to get to my length goal within 1 year. This is also the reason I recommend brothers to add a second handlebar on their LengthMaster 3 (when they need it).
The second handlebar was not just for fun, It had a purpose....look at this below.
Look at the angle I'm stretching at, this would not have been possible (my fast gains) without this second broomstick handlebar.
You will get strong fingers and hands with this technique. My hand strength are worse now because I do not do lengthmastering.
Don't know if this is the best photo, I have many videos in my video thread that are describing this process/technique.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will
Other ways to increase the intensity:
How to increase the intensity in BTC-BS with LM3./ Hope this helps!
92tmorgan
Active member
I’m being pretty aggressive with the pulling. My fingers, hands and penis are pretty tired after. With the bundles I can bundle to 360 but I can’t do BTC with it or even pull on itSIM and DLD will say it doesn’t matter and I’m not saying it does,
But for me it’s a goal to aim for, it shows me that I’m increasing intensity and my tempory elongation is increasing.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will
It’s tough and damn uncomfortable to push the next 180, but for me when you do you can see and feel the growth.
Honestly, at 4 months your probably not being aggressive enough.
I had a hard time doing the BTC as well when my penis was shorter. Try to do your best pulling BTC. Using an assistant like the vacuum cup (SiliStretcher comes to mind) so you have leverage to do the BTC. I use this method while working and sitting down with a seat cushion that as a cut out for the butt tailbone (coxic).
Just keep pulling and you will soon master the LengthMaster 3.
92tmorgan
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Hmm I’m trying to imagine it but can’t. You mean use the vacuum cup of something like a sillistretcher? What exactly for?
@92tmorgan if you are consistent and keep tugging at your limit you will be able to master every exercise and progress fully into behind the cheeks.
If the Length Master attachment or tools you use for not have enough length for you to do the BTC, which requires you to rotate the tool to be below your legs (hamstrings), and sit below the butt cheeks, use extension assistance to create that extra length. I have to add 4 inches of extension for BTC leverage back then.
7o9
Member
Of course there is a correlation of length to bundle ability, but I wonder if we as a group could hammer out some sort of general chart from experience. For example, I’m just short of 7.5 BPEL/just over 8” BPFSL and can just barely squeeze out 2 full bundles (720 deg). I could be wrong, but my impression from reading the forum is that 8” and 2 bundles have a good correlation.
Maybe some of the brothers, especially those that have gained could share their recollection of where they were bundle-wise at different lengths. I think it would be helpful for the group.
Personally, I try to set aside a block of time each day for MAX-Bundle to push that limit. I was zero bundles for BTC on Jan1.
Maybe some of the brothers, especially those that have gained could share their recollection of where they were bundle-wise at different lengths. I think it would be helpful for the group.
Personally, I try to set aside a block of time each day for MAX-Bundle to push that limit. I was zero bundles for BTC on Jan1.
Wow what an awesome post!I believe you need to work on to maximize your bundles. Tug at the limit at what you can do, and with time you will increase this more and more.
Please do not put words in my mouth.
Maybe you misinterpreted me in some way?
Sometimes I give kind advice to brothers, just because I know it is not necessary to maximize your bundles in order to gain, but you will gain faster and more solid if you maximize your intensity with more bundles (more rotations of your penis). You will even be able to gain with only 1 session per day when you have got to the maximum intensity. But it takes a lot to get here (not easy at all).
In my experience it's also easier to cement the length gain if you maximize your bundles.
The more bundles you do with extremely high intensity, the faster you will be able to gain. If you get 2 cm (~0.79 Inch) temporary flaccid stretched length after a session of 20 minutes (10 min x 2), you will have a similar intensity that I had.
Before I quit lengthmastering I completely maximized the rotations of my penis (not every session, but very often), this was necessary for me in order to get to my length goal within 1 year. This is also the reason I recommend brothers to add a second handlebar on their LengthMaster 3 (when they need it).
The second handlebar was not just for fun, It had a purpose....look at this below.
Look at the angle I'm stretching at, this would not have been possible (my fast gains) without this second broomstick handlebar.
You will get strong fingers and hands with this technique. My hand strength are worse now because I do not do lengthmastering.
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Don't know if this is the best photo, I have many videos in my video thread that are describing this process/technique.
Other ways to increase the intensity:
/ Hope this helps!
Don't be obsessed with the rotations, just keep the intensity high and make sure you maximize temporary elongation after session + implement SRT healing. If you feel constant soreness in your inner penis, these are good signs for gains to come. Focus on feeling the stretch in your inner penis. Relax fully into the stretch = reverse Kegel.
If you can't feel it by attaching behind the glans, progress into expressive bundled stretches (attachment at the base).
If you can't feel it by attaching behind the glans, progress into expressive bundled stretches (attachment at the base).
This is so hard to explain. But you will feel in your inner penis and ligaments what to do. If you don't feel the intensity in your inner penis and ligaments, you need to increase it some way. More bundles are the best way to increase the intensity, but not the only way as I explained in post #3.
TWIST&PULL
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That would be cool
TWIST&PULL
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What position are you stretching in? Are you using penis exterminator?
For me it’s easier (much) to achieve max bundle in this position, and save the max bundle for your last set when your already nice and stretched.
At first when I’ve maxed out my bundle going from say 180 to 360 there’s not a lot of pulling involved at first because the bundle alone is so intense.
Slowly increase the stretch over time and before you no it your maxed bundles in all 4 sets and it becomes easy very quickly.
Can you point a liming factor, that stops you going to the next level, grip,slipping, twisting, skin stretch?
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This is what you have to do, to not get yourself into plateaus.
TWIST&PULL
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Just had a thought
fatigue from pumping might be the problem? I couldn’t do both.
92tmorgan
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I do standing BTC, then normal BTC, and occasionally I’ll do the exterminator but not often. I’m only 6.3 bpel as of now. But when I started at 5.5 in January, even getting close to 180 degree bundle was hard.
My limiting factor would definitely be the skin stretch. Trying to go for a 360 bundle makes it feel like my skin is gonna rip. It rolls over onto itself.
I’ve been attaching at the base. Should I attach behind the glans instead?
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TWIST&PULL
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It’s tough but you have to get through it,
Some kind off lubricant helps!
im still attaching behind the glans.
92tmorgan
Active member
Lubricant when doing the he length master?
Imma try to attack behind the glans instead of at the base and see if that helps
The only way to prevent plateaus is to increase time or intensity or both
TWIST&PULL
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Go wherever you feel the best stretch on the inner penis.
I think, the method is to max out behind the glands and move to the base later.
92tmorgan
Active member
What does maxing out even feel or look like?
TWIST&PULL
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It’s about what your feeling where and how intense. Only you can judge it and decide how intense you want to feel it.
for me it’s a bit like (hard to describe) but a bit like an ache/ burn in the BC muscle or at least in that area behind the balls.
When I stop feeling that I’ll probably switch to the base.
92tmorgan
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ok ok. What do you think the benefits are from maxing out at glans instead of just going straight to base? Glans is gonna get tunica and maybe some lig. I feel like base will get tunica and lig completely.
@squirt_inducer_man @oldandlively ehats your guys take?
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TWIST&PULL
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I not sure buddy. What I’m doing just feels right for now. See what SIM says.
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If I did both either of them would have not been as efficient.Just had a thought
You should always max out behind your glans first.
You need to bundle more my brother, before you can max this position out. But you need to feel this yourself. We can not tell you what to do, only guiding you. I always this: Talk to your penis.
If you experience you can not bundle more in this position, and the increse of bundles do not give you any more intensity in your inner penis or ligaments, it's time to transition to attachment at the base. But not before this happens.
For fast growth you should feel the same amount of soreness, in your inner penis constantly as
when you where new to this. If you don't feel your inner penis stretch and get sore you can get more intensity out of it.
You feel this in your inner penis. When you stretch hard as fuck, and you are not feeling the stretch and soreness in your inner penis and ligaments (most refer this to pain = not pain), it's time to move the chamber to the base.
In a 5 minute stretch/hold, you will either way be stretching your entire shaft, becouse your entire shaft will elongate. Your entire penis will stretch. Reverse kegels are super important, relax fully into the stretch.
Goodbye! I will be gone now.
Look through my progress thread and video thread and you will understand the approach you need for fast growth.
TWIST&PULL
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The time and effort you put in to describe things in such details is amazing
Thank you.The time and effort you put in to describe things in such details is amazing
I will be gone for some time now.
I wanted to really describe what it takes to increase the intensity in an effective and exponential way. Remember I did not have any plateaus.
92tmorgan
Active member
All great pieces of info to take in. I’ll be doing that from now on and max out behind the glans first before going to the base. Thanks for all the detailed info
You're welcome. Try to get 2 cm in temporary stretched elongation after session.
The lower you go the more you are stretching inner penis
You feel what to do in the inner penis.
A combination of the 2 is smartest to test which is best or maybe they do work together. If you look up the thread "the penis is not a rope its a baloon" this gives excellent information to understand this
You don't have to search. Look at the bottom of this post.
92tmorgan
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Thank you both
It's so hard to explain. But when your stretches do not take anything in your inner penis, it's time for the penis exterminator at the base.
I think I can explain to some degrees. The inner penis is the tissues anchoring on the bones or around the ligaments. You not really pull an invisible inner penis out, put putting stresses on the muscle tissues and ligaments that support the penile body around 1 inche from the base. What you are stressing are the supportive tissues to elongate then, including the ligaments. You also weaken the ligaments just enough to relax the surround tissues to force them to literally extend and grow.
From the high tension pulling, you are literally breaking and reforming cells from the inner tissues far deep at the base of your penis to the very base of the glans. You are breaking them, forcing them to repair, and making the smaller cells grow larger by absorbing the cells that lost the cell walls that could not be repaired. You are reforming the penis by pushing it to the brink of "you better reshape by force or die trying."
Hope that help to explain it.
92tmorgan
Active member
This helps. Thanks for the thorough explanation
Change angles as well during your 5 minutes hold stretches.
When you do not feel the intensity in your inner penis, change angle of attack, bundle more or detach and reposition the chamber lower.
Your penis will elongate during session so this is also a reason that it's not beneficial to stay to long inside the chamber. Let the penis restore full blood flow in front of a heating sorce for 10 minutes between sets of 10 minutes (active stretching) are also beneficial. Always have a plan why you do something...and do it as efficient as possible.
I did max did 13 minutes inside the chamber (3 minuts warmup), maybe 15 minutes if my warmup took to long.
Also I did 10 minutes of Ball & Lig Stretches before the session even started in front of my car interior heater. This have 2 benefits.
Benefit 1: Increase the skin so your penis will grow faster.
Benefit 2: Get a temporary elongation of the skin and scrotum, so you will have an easier time stretching and do bundles. With Ball & Lig Stretches focus on stretching the skin.
Just some tips for you.
*Edit by @squirt_inducer_man, due to spell corrections.
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Love this!!!
Exactly the mindset I had when I was using my LengthMaster 3.
This is so important to understand. Many new brothers get this wrong. When we say: Pull out your inner penis this is just a mind hack or an analogy of what you should focus on. That is: The feeling you want in the stretch.
Like @oldandlively say, you do not pull out your inner penis.
How could you pull out this, you would break all your supportive anatomy structure within you.
Did you know (talking to the entire brotherhood)!
You're penis is "bigger" inside you in order to support your erected penis. Quite a big sacrifice of energy in the development of our spices in order to have sex. But sex is essential for our survival...so that is fair.
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