Keep this! It's like an art piece!
Jokes aside, get an replacement, it's not supposed to look like this.
What is it meant to be though?Keep this! It's like an art piece!
Jokes aside, get an replacement, it's not supposed to look like this.
Is there something in here about who to take the pump handle apart and oil it? Couldn't find anything l, might be me though!
I actually found with it forward is better, and someone had a video showing this.
So, I've been getting some practice, trying to work on the 5x5x3. Over did it a few days ago I think and got some excess bulging below the head, but downward jelqed it away and didn't see anything afterwards. I did have a really uninterested flaccid for a few days though. Really thin, not plump like on other days. Is that a bad sign, or just fatigue. My erection has seemed less thick too tbh. Hard balance! I've only been going at 4Hg and then up to 5 for 10Secs and back down, bit was probably more committed and forceful with the SSJ.
Re the warm up... do you do both Mosred and rice sock? Seen some have mosred on while training, it's quite bright and worried about my eyes. Do I need to be? and how do you set yours up and position it?
Sorry, a few impeded questions there!
If it works for you, that's great. For me, I have to pull it back. Too much foreskin.
Sounds like early signs of fatigues. The body will do its best to retract for preservation mode. Give a rest day, and resume.
If you must go up on pressure, go harder on SSJ squeezes and bending-flexing to take advantage of the higher vacuum pressure creeping for the internal expansion. Once you are pushing hard with SSJ, creep the 5inHg to 30 seconds and then down on the next pump set. Take advantage of the harder SSJ set.
No, one or the other. Dual application is too much. If I use MOS Red to super charge the cells I use that as priming the tissues with heat. If you want to use heat application, use a blowing heater to keep your tissues malleable constantly. No need, but just an idea.
Red light doesn't damage your eyesights. In fact, it aids the cells in the back for recovery for specific degeneration. However, if you worry about it being too bright, sunglasses on, or simply angle it down from above.
Your questions help both you and the brothers. Ask away.
It's not hard. You do not use oil. Never put oil on rubber gaskets, they will deteriorate. Use silicone grease on tube from CRC.
A sleeve.
Could you explain this a little more? Should I be seeing much post workout expansion at this stage?
With the hand position for the SSJ, it seems difficult to get your hand right down to the base, and most of the time, I seem to be working on the top half of the shaft. Is that right?
Also, Re using a cockring after, do I need to actually be staying hard, or is a full and fat flaccid/semi enough?
So maybe rice sock before, and red light after?
Nor really started any lengthwork particular yet. Honestly can work out how to velcro the silisleeve straps to any effective use... and then I'd have a lot of questions about which was to strap it, whether I'd use the tension gauge etc.
What is the sleeve for though, it is like the other shorter one I posted a picture of in this thread? To help the sleeves stay attached to the vacuum device?
Shows how knowledgeable I am about this stuff!
I see 4 screws and a pin for the pressure gauge. Is that all I need to undo?
Let's break it down with greater clarity.
Now, rather than pumping at the higher pressure, forcing the vacuum pressure to pull more blood into the penis, it's better to naturally force the blood into the penis through normal erection and kegels. This programs the mind to obey your erection on demands, especially when there may be ED involved, or just due to aging process. Once sufficient blood is in the penis, normally at 100% volume (no need to be erected at this point), SSJ allows you to sculpture the areas of expansions, be the glans, the shaft, the base, or the entire penis. Forcing the blood to balloon and engorged in the penile body is more advantagous through internal expansion than forcing the blood to just engorged through external force from vacuum pressure. However, by taking advantage of both processes, you maximize and balance the expansion by breaking down the tissues from both approaches. Why? Because your hands can only do so much to break the tissues through pure brute force. You need mechanic assists as well to push past 100% of the volume expansion.
Two approaches. You can pump at 5inHg to allow the tissues to naturally warm up. Once your blood pressure reaches around 3.5inHg, you reach a natural erection. The blood's warmth will naturally warm your internal tissues. There is no hard adding more warmth to maximize the malleability of the internal and external tissues. We recommend it.
Now, rather than pumping at the higher pressure, forcing the vacuum pressure to pull more blood into the penis, it's better to naturally force the blood into the penis through normal erection and kegels. This programs the mind to obey your erection on demands, especially when there may be ED involved, or just due to aging process. Once sufficient blood is in the penis, normally at 100% volume (no need to be erected at this point), SSJ allows you to sculpture the areas of expansions, be the glans, the shaft, the base, or the entire penis. Forcing the blood to balloon and engorged in the penile body is more advantagous through internal expansion than forcing the blood to just engorged through external force from vacuum pressure. However, by taking advantage of both processes, you maximize and balance the expansion by breaking down the tissues from both approaches. Why? Because your hands can only do so much to break the tissues through pure brute force. You need mechanic assists as well to push past 100% of the volume expansion.
Yes, you should. If you do not see at least 5% beyond normal erectile expansion, your routine is lacking the aggressive expansion. SSJ alone after 15 minutes should bring in at least 5%. Pump and SSJ should bring forth at least 10%.
This is where the trick to SSJ comes to play. Once you grab the base, it should remains at the base. The hand at the base does not need to more. It acts more as a gentle constrictive hold instead of a bending or flexing assisting hand.
A cock ring post routine does not require you to remain erected. You need to get an erection to get the blood in, but that's it. Try to push as much blood in as possible. The cock ring is simple to hold the blood temporarily through a restrictive hold so your blood volume continues to crank the cellular gaps wide open during healing. It's like wrapping or wearing the extender/traction device after length work. It's to crank the gaps wide open for the body to heal and fill in the gaps for growth. During this time, an erection is not needed. Otherwise, it will feel very uncomfortable.
Sure. Rice sock to maximize the warm on top of natural warming if you have that extra time to spare. I like to use 5 minutes to warming while setting things up.
When you are ready, slow down, ask one subject at a time to get full clarity, mod properly, adjust the fitting, test run the new mods, and continue on. Don't rush.
Sleeves act in two ways. The sleeves can act as a passive traction device with greater comforts, just like wrapping for length work. The sleeves also work in protecting your skin while pumping by controlling edemas, but this is a very thin sleeve about 2mm thick. Rather than wearing sleeves for this purpose, just do SSJ and reverse C-jelq. Sleeves also work as device assist for extender and traction devices, especially for the vacuum cup types.
I can create a video. But it has to really be something that are useful. Because I have already taken apart my MityVac vaccum pump ~4 times.
It's not made to be taken apart constantly. Just sometimes.
So is 5Hg the maximum I need to go to? I see some people are going up to 10Hg?
what was the second approach?
I am going into the tube erect already. Also, i see people saying "you need to stay erect in the tube" I am always full size under pressure and assume everyone else would be... or are they meaning it needs to remain a natural erection, not just one created by the vaccum? Once i come out of the tube then I am my erect size, but not fully erect.
Im sure I read in several places that DLD was saying you cannot increase glans size, is this no longer believed to be true? (I love the proportions of my dick already, so if I could grow everything relatively equally that would be amazing!)
Even while I am in the early days and potentially still conditioning? It does feel like it is potentially thicker after. I found it hard to confirm my initial erect girth as I had already started doing light manual expansion and on a good day it was a bit thicker than others. Would I need to measure right after my workouts to confirm this? It's always difficult to maintain full erection while measuring, and I guess 5% is not a massive increase!
I'm definitely not seeing 10%, I'm pretty sure of that. Also, when I upped my SSJ intensity, this is where I saw potential edema, and also there is a vein that looked like it was ballooning below the glans, but before the foreskin starts. Should I be concerned about that?
Yes, i am using the base hand to anchor... but i find it difficult to get right at the very base. Just to check, i am using a grip where my palm is facing down towards the pubic bone. I tried the opposite way, overhand, but then its difficult to do the jelqs.
I am doing more of a compression, pushing the two points i am holding closer together, as opposed to actually sliding the hand down like the traditional upward jelqs, is that correct?
So, intially when i do this, my penis is erect size but soft, but after a minute, already it has reduced to more normal flaccid length, but definitely with more blood in there. Is this enough to be filling the gaps as you suggest?
OK.. I would like to start getting a length routine going, even if manually... I guess I could use the sleeves rather than the stretcher to begin with whilst learning the pumping.
Lots of comments I've seen say to work on length first then girth. Obviously I've done this the other way round. Any benefits to doing one versus the other? When pumping in the MightyVac, I seem to go past the 7-inch mark which is above my BPEL, but not sure how accurate the markings are.
I will say it again, as I know you have spent a lot of time replying to me, but thank you... I appreciate the effort you are putting in to.help me understand!
Sorry, forgot to reply to that bit... I dont want you to have to take it apart if you don't need to.
Would those 4 screws and the pin I mentioned be the things I need to take out to take it apart or is there more to it?... I'm wary of doing something, and then I can't put it back together!
I am seeing two different types of SSJ, in the big thread of videos, it is an overhand grip at the base, and then pushing on the end of the head.
Another video I've seen (as well as DLDs one using the silicone cock), is more of a grip at the base and a downward jelq from the top.
Which is correct?
Another video I've seen (as well as DLDs one using the silicone cock), is more of a grip at the base and a downward jelq from the top.
Which is correct?
5inHg is the initial point for growth. It's considered as a lowest boundary pressure to force the penis to grow. Slowly, you have to go up, and up, and up, and up. 10inHg is considered as a max safe limit as your penis adapts over time. Don't be too eager to pump harder and get higher in pressure. Only go up in pressure once you can feel your penis is not responding to pressure at 5inHg. Creep up slowly and take advantage of the lower pressure expansion. For brothers with dense tissues that work against the pressure at 10inHg, they wil have to push hard to go beyond it.
By the way, there is a big different between air and water pressure. So, make sure to approach things differently. Air vacuum is more different in terms of variability than water. What you feel at 5inHg in water is completely different than air.
Air vs water? Which approach you're planning to use predominantly? On top of that, what's your side objectives? An example of objectives: ED resolution, good expansion but not worry about girth, focus on length over girth in pumping while girth is still desireable in the process, pump more than SSJ routine but don't like to have ademas, and so on and so forth.
Yes, remain naturally erected in the tube as possible. Under vacuum pressure, your tissues expand. Natural erection forces more blood into the expanded area, causing the expansion to get bigger internally. What we want is internal expansion. External expansion is ademas or fluid retention. Not good to have. When you come out of the tube, you don't have to be erected. Take that time to relax before SSJ or the next pumping session.
Glans can be influenced for growth, depending on how you work your routines. My glans remain larger than the rest of my shaft, and as you haven't noticed, as your penis increases in girth so does your glans. Urologists said it's impossible to increase your glans. Well, that myth got busted since 2009.
No matter where you are in the process, you are conditioning your penis for the next phase. Starting out, you're condition your penis for growth. During growth, you're conditioning for bigger growth. During major growth phase, you're conditioning for cementing and plateau phases. It's constantly a major cycling of going one step further.
Sorry to say, but 5% is good increase. 1% is a still a good increase. 10% is a phenomenal increase. 25% is a master of all increase. Think about how much work your body is putting into the efforts of just increasing its size beyond the genetic constraints.
SSJ intensity and pumping higher vacuum pressure will force all components to grow, be the blood vessels, the foreskin, the nerves, or the blood volume. What you see bulging is the blood vessels working their hardest to support blood flow. As long as you don't see a small little bulge like a baloon along the vein, you're fine. If you have a nice segment of large blood vessel more than 2 inches long, your blood vessel is expanding to accomodate the specific blood delivery pathway for that area. If you're uncertain of vessel expansion versus thrombosis, take a snapshot.
Find your best and comfortable positioning of the hands for the routine. There is no wrong and right way. It's about effective and efficient compression of blood in between the penile shaft.
Yes, that's the squash part. The sliding is simply a compression jelq, going from the base toward the glans.
Gaps must constantly be pried wide open. When you stop your jelqing, or allow the penis to drop to shriveled flaccid state, the gaps are reduced. This is why we wear a restrictive device to force the gaps to remain open for the cells to repair and duplicate to fill in the gaps.
Length gains is much much harder and longer to achieve than girth gains. Girthwise, you're expanding laterally with less components to expand and regrow. Length wise, you're forcing your penis to under go growth longitudinally. Lots of components in your penis need to growth along with the penis. So, if you're fine with your girth for the time being, put all efforts into length. If length is fine, focus all on girth. This is more of a personal preference than requirements.
Always ask. What you ask may not apply to everyone, but it helps to answer lingering questions that the other brothers may not pull the trigger to ask.
So important to ask questions that is what we do here, give advice we have gained. Ask any questions you desire.
So 5Hg is the starting point for air or water? and do you need more pressure using which one?
Ok, well... for the time being, air seems my preferred method. A small increase in length would be nice, but more interested in girth at the moment (currently 6.7 x 4.75, so would like to get above 5 in girth to start). The pumping seems easier to do that the SSJ... especially once you are doing 5 minutes of it!
So, right from my first ever session I should be seeing this much expansion?
I more meant visually, to track and notice... 5% seems a lot in numbers.
I'd did look a little like a small little balloon type bulge this was why I was a bit worried. It didn't stay after downward jelqing, and I then rested a couple of days, and now had two more days after my last session.
It seemed the more intense SSJ with pumping on top caused this, so I'm now at a place where the intensity isn't giving me enough expansion, but more intensity could be causing me injury?
But if I don't get right to the base, am I not going to grow unevenly?
So my question is, how expanded do I need to be? Because I can sit there and stay hard for another 90 minutes by playing with myself, but i domt really have tike for that. If I just put the ring on, it reduces to an engorged flaccid pretty quickly. So what level is required? Somewhere in between the two?
DLDs SRT newbie program has length I the morning, girth in the evening. So can I not do both?
I will keep asking away...
Both. At 5inHg, water may feel more influences on tighter compression. Just make sure to monitor it well once you hit 3inHg. Even at 5inHg, you can get injured. So, move slowly.
Common. Quite common. Do it right, you'll see more amazing expansions.
5% is an expected value that we tend to aim for. Of course, there are +/- of percentage due to accountable and unaccountable variables. 5% is always a good visual gauge to look forward to.
This is where dynamic intensity comes into play. Don't just focus on pure intensity to obtain expansion, but dynamic intensity based on the pump session. Low pumping vacuum pressure with high SSJ intensity. Then switching to quick intensity for pumping with low and moderate intensity on SSJ to keep the expansion going. If you look at the brothers' routine and progress logs, they are doing just that. They are looking for the optimal expansion with dynamic pumping routine. Your body adapts, so you have to continually look for the new breakout routines.
Your base and mid shaft tend to grow faster than your segment near the glans during pumping. Those who do too much mid shaft to glans jelqing tend to see baseball shape penis. Pumping and SSJ force growth to be equalized.
Pumping sessions should average out around 30 minutes. 5 x 3min for pump, 5 x 3min for SSJ.
Normal engorgement is definitely between the normal erectile state and the hyper engorgement state in the pump. When you put on the ring, the normal post pumping engorgement falls between the two.
Yes you can. I do them both daily as I experiment on both girth and length gains at one time, while taking advantage of the primed tissues. For me, I do both consecutively when I have the time. If not, I use your approach.
I did this daily and worked out great but some brothers need more or less intensity
What is quite common, my targets?
I am not sure at all whether i am achieving this, but difficult to measure after a pump as I'm not 100% erect?
Ok, but not getting expansion with seemingly high intensity on both? But yet, equally potentially harming a vein as it might be bulging too much.
Ok, so the SSJ should just be targeting the glans?
Ok, definitely not achieving this....I couldn't do that without essentially edging for an hour and i domt have time to be doing thay. I'm a bit confused here as I have great EQ, so I don't know how you guys would be achieving this.
Starting to feel a touch deflated at the moment as I am trying the routine, but seemingly not getting the expansion I need. So not sure where to go with it. I'm already going between 4Hg and 5Hg and taking the SSJ to a level where sometimes I get spots, sometimes I'm quite close to that point (like I see them during the session but they don't stay). What am I getting wrong? Or maybe I'm not, I'm just not noticing the expansion I have created?
Then this is simple expression
I meant this simply expansion
So, nothing to worry about unless it balloons more I take it?
I've also given myself a blood blister the size of the tip of my pinkie from trying bundled stretches to warm up. Its got a white area in the middle. No pain, just doesn't look nice and seeing my girl tomorrow. Not sure it'll go down by then. Bacitracin, Hydrocortisone or mosred to help heal I'm guessing?
Sorry about the late reply. Got a bit of an account issue.
Rather than the target, it's better to ask, "Where are you at the moment?" 3inHg to 3.5inHg is the common pressure of an internal erection. Going anywhere beyond that is already your target. But, you have to ask yourself, are you feeling comfortable without any pain going up past 5inHg? If you feel pain even at 4inHg, stay at 4inHg until your penis gotten used to the pressure. If you can go up to 5inHg comfortably, that is your new safe lower pressure limit. From there, it's about knowing when to go up comfortably. Know how much higher you can climb safely and comfortably. If you hit the pressure that makes your entire penis feels like it's expanding to the point of a dull pain sensation, that is your upper limit. Don't stay there too long. Drop 0.5inHg to 1inHg below that.
That is correct. You must remain erected in the cylinder as much as you can. Don't let up on the erection. This is where the true expansion comes in.
Not getting the expansion at high vacuum pressure is the worst way to get yourself blisters, thrombosis, and penile failure. This is why you must have strong erection inside the cylinder. With strong erection, you are occupying all the volume required for a solid erection. Any extra blood going in will push your erection expansion further. Vein does not bulge beyond their capacity if you approach it safely. To approach it safely, 100% erection is required. This is your alarm system. When your internal chambers are over reaching its capacity to expand, it sends SOS message through the nerves telling you to stop. For those pumping with only 70% or 80% flaccid state all the time at high pressure, dangers lay await as your penis cannot tell where the expansion starts and where danger threshold begins.
SSJ targets everything, from the base to the glans. When the OK grips being held at the base, it expands everything. If they are at the base and at the glans, it focuses in between. If you jelq from the base to the glans, the glans gets most of the expansion due to rising terminal pressure.
Time, dedication, sacrifice, tears, and willingness to go the distance. I don't watch TV, so I listen to publication journals and books in all studies while I do my PE. I eat while doing PE. I work while doing PE. I play with my wife while doing PE. See the sacrifice of personal space and time?
At 4inHg, how do you feel? What about at 5inHg? What happens when you go from 0inHg, slow down at 4inHg, and go straight to 5inHg? What do you feel along the entire length of the shaft?
Blood blister is an indicator you went up way too fast, too high, and staying there for too long. 5 minutes max. The balloon vein that you see is yoru penile body indicating that more blood than usual occupying that area. You're not fully preconditioned yet to climb too high. It goes back to the above questions, "What do you feel?" in terms of fully erected expansion in the cylinder while under the different vacuum pressure.
Ok, appreciate you are replying to a lot of people but sometimes your answers don't bear any correlation to what I've been asking...
I am going into the tube 100% erect, always, I've notnsaid otherwise. I'm talking about my expansion after when using a cockring.
The blister was due to attempting a bundled stretch nothing to do with pumping. (The vein I pictured was pumping and a different conversation)
I've talked at length about how I dont think the SSJ is targeting the lower shaft. You then tell me its only meant to target the upper portion anyway, and now you're again saying it targets the whole shaft. I'm getting very confused.
I'm going 4Hg creeping up to 5Hg, there's no pain. I wouldn't do any exercise that caused pain. It feels like I'm getting good suction, but the end result is not expansion like you are describing, hence the frustration.
Re your comment about constantly doing PE, I can't dedicate that much of my life to it... I can stretch in the morning and wear a sleeve while I work, and I can do 5x5x3 in the evening, and I am trying to understand the state I need to be in in the cockring, but as yet I am not getting the answer I need. If you are telling me I need to remain somewhere between erect, and pump expanded (that I'm not even getting), simply putting a cockring on and starting to study will not achieve that... I would need to sit there playing with my dick for an hour to keep it that hard. This is where I have further confusion.
Got it. The posts nested under pumping questions, expansion related and 5x5x3 routines, so I have to reference under pumping instead of lengthening through LM. Do identify what happened from specific routine and I'll ensure the answers match the conditions.
Noted.
SSJ does indeed target any portion of the penile shaft, with one limit. To recap, it depends on how the grips are being used and placed, and based on grip strength. The only option that cannot be expanded is the very base of the penis, as that location is the primary location. Where the blood restrictive starts for the SSJ. It works the entire shaft, minus the portion where the grip initiated. Based on your index finger width, it may be 0.25in to 0.35in. However, base gain is quite fast in comparison to the rest of the shaft through the larger pumping cylinder. Hope this clears up this point.
Got it. If there is no dull discomfort from 4inHg to 5inHg, that means your lower pressure is already at 5inHg, and your moderate pressure may have shifted from 5inHg to 6inHg. Remaining at 5inHg for comforts will not benefit you as it's the staring point. Slowly creep up to 6inHg and reobserve the expansion. You must feel that dull achy sensation during pumping to optimize your expansion. Do keep us updated on your moderate pressure zone for both yours and our records.
Let's provide proper clarity.
You are doing stretching in the morning and not pumping. Noted. After stretching, wear a sleeve or wrap to continually maintain elongation. There is no erection or cock ring wearing during this period. You are focusing everything on elongating throughout the day.
At night, you shift to 5x5x3 for expansion to focus on girth. Noted. After pumping, use the cock ring for as long as you can before bed time. This will maximize the gap potential for cellular regeneration for girth growth. During this post pumping routines, as you wear your cock ring, get a full erection at first. This is just to force blood into your expanded penis to reach the newly expanded state, provide blood with oxygen rich and cellular rebuilding components, and allow the cells to fill in the gaps for the next X hours of wearing. Once you have your blood filled up into the penis, you don't have to remain erected. At this point in time, your blood volume that filled the penis is actually at a level between your old erection state and the newly pump expansion state. You just want that blood volume to keep the newly expanded state in the penis as long as you can and not the erection itself. If can remain erected and force more blood into the penis through kegels, even better, but not needed. Every 5 to 10 minutes, recycle new blood by squeezing the old blood out, and get another full volume of blood back into the penis with and erection. This is to prevent blood clotting.
Hope the summary clears up the needs. From here on out, we'll stay with this routine.
Excellent guidance
Ok, no problem.
Yes, so it is this difference with the grip I was worried about. If I have plam down (facing pubic bone), my grip is further up the shaft than if I do an overhand grip. But, overhand grip makes it a lot more difficult. Hopefully as you say this shouldn't be an issue.
I'll try and take more notice of the sensation, I have crpt up to 6Hg very occasionally to se how it feels, but it felt quite high pressure. 4Hg feels pretty comfortable I think, soi think perhaps I need to work up to more time at 5Hg, and then start with small periods rising to 6Hg after that.
Some of this I'm sure is conditioning as you say, but I am worried I'm not seeing this expansion just yet. My post flaccid the day after a workout is good though, and if I do too much it then is the opposite.
Ive now just done sone sessions with mosred post blood blister which has helped and also increased the flaccid.
I was not 100% clear here, I have not yet started this, but it's the aim, and seems achievable. I think I have got most of my answers re pumping and so it would be good to start understanding more about stretching, LM3, bundled stretches.
So, I find I just end up at a "puffy flaccid" very quickly once in the cockring. Not an engorged soft erection (if that makes sense, I.e. I assume you are meaning erection size, but not actually hard?). This is my concern here. Just realised I am using the Durorings, not the Silirings, maybe I will switch.
At this point, should I start a thread on the progress log?
Thanks for your understanding
Expansion. I had one of these for months when I was stretching with LengthMaster 3. It finally subsided when I switched to girth work. I think I had it for almost 1 year or more. Nothing to worry about.
Good. Make sure to ease up. Don't rush. Comfortable is one thing, but you have to move up to progressive expand. Can't stay comfortable for too long. If you feel a good dull expansion at 5inHg, spend more time at 5inHg. 2 minutes at 4inHg to initiate expansion, 2 minutes at 5inHg to hyper expansion, and back down to 4inHg to continue the expansion.
As you creep to 6inHg, make sure there is no pain. As you creep earlier, do the same creeping for 20 to 30 seconds and back down to 5inHg. Creep up and back down from. The 2nd pumping set, or even at the 3rd pumping set.
This is an indication that you are actually expanding and gaining. Improved flaccid state is very good indicator that you tissues are being conditioned for optimal growth ahead. Keep up with the PE routine discipline and ensure to go up in pressure to loosen up the tissues.
When you are ready for LM3 info, let us know. Don't rush into one thing without exhausting your inquiries on the other first. Allow time to digest and then move forward.
Puffy flaccid is fluid retention. SSJ or reverse C-jelq also helps. Until your penis can reach peak conditioning, achieve that engorged soft erection as you put it is still a month or two ahead. For now, use the cock ring for the post pumping 60 minutes restrictive routine for healing support. Take the cock ring off after that. If you have to, perform one more set of SSJ or reverse jelq to remove all puffy fluid retention.
Yes! You are about to go into your growth phases. Don't neglect your recording. Provide detail info of your current and objective stats, the routines you've done, where your pump pressure levels at, and we can use the data to perform analytical approaches. Look at a few brothers' examples to gauge your comfort level for reporting. The more details, the better. Why? If something goes wrong, we can see the patterns immediately.
We are always here for you. Build, grow, and become the next guiding leader of the brotherhood.Thanks for your understanding
Ok good... does that mean that if my flaccid is smaller and fatigued, that is a bad sign? Or just that I did a little too much and should ease off?
I do want to get started on length too, I feel like it will help loosening up the tunica etc to aid in girth. I also read working on girth only can very slightly reduce length, is that right?
I guess i can start with manual stretching before learning how to even get into the LM3... that whole process seems a lot. I assume all the wrapping is necessary, noone does LM without pre wrapping I take it?
Perhaps a good place to start would be to understand the bundled stretches, as these are recommeded as a warm up to girth work, correct? I got the blood blister by attempting these, I think the twist was higher up the shaft and pinched a bit, does it matter where the twist is, feels more natural closer to the base?
Sorry, I explained this badly. Im not describing edema. Im just saying that with a cockring on after pumping, its more like i end up with a large flaccid, than the engorged soft erection.
I've heard some of you have spreadsheets? I tried to start one, but wasn't sure exactly what detail to include. I have taken starting stats, measured in cm and converted to inches.
Yes and no. Yes, you've reached fatigue. Your body is trying to preserve itself by shrinking it to the smallest state possible. We called this "turtling". It's not a bad sign. This is where to prevent it from happening. Wrapping, all day stretcher, tension devices, do whatever it takes. We elongate/expand it through forceful method so the penis will continue to heal in the elongated/expanded state. No, don't ease off. Keep pushing forward and wrap/maintain the elongated/expanded form.
Some like to focus one at at time, dedicating all time and efforts to maximize the process. Quite a few brothers pursue both. I'm one of them. Yes, stressing the tunica helps to expand and lengthen. I like to take advantage of the tissues while they are primed. It's all about time. When you have the time, tackle both fronts at the same time. If not, one at a time.
Manual stretching is a good start. The routines are available for reference. The lengthening process takes quite a bit of time. I finished my 30 minutes worth of routine for LM in the morning while answering questions. Total true time is around 45 minutes. It takes time to wrap and rewrap, and a bit of time to get the blood to flow. If you plan on doing both girth and length, be ready to toss 2 hours into the routines.
It will take a bit of time for your penis to get preconditioned. Too hard on the bundled stretches and too intensely will make your penis blister. Ease up first, and go easy. Allow the skin to catch up with the intensity. Once your skin becomes more conditioned, that's why you go further on the intensity. This is why there's a 30-day minimum for newbie routines. A minimum of 30 days to get your penis conditioned. It took me 60 days to get mind to prime conditioning, and even then, I didn't go crazy.
Most of the blistering happens around the area of holding/gripping and the terminal area of pressure, which is your glans. So, say you grab hold around the base of the glans, the terminal end of pressure is your glans, while the area being grabbed is protected from abrassive movements. So, blistering occurs either above or below the area of grabbing. Hopefully that make sense. You just have to go easy for the time being.
Got it. If you are uncertain, take a snapshot and show us. Remember, you are among the brothers, and of course, your account is based on anonymity.
Yes, the spreadsheet is free to obtain. I created them based on my old logging methods and updated the designs over the years. My clients also use mine as well. The only thing that's lacking is the growth chart, which I stored in another spreadsheet for data analysis. I need to integrate that into my existing spreadsheet as well. So many things to do and my mind slips. We'll have it posted for the brother to download soon. Our brother @squirt_inducer_man brought it up earlier and I'm in favor of it. I'll remake the spreadsheet for usages, unless you want what I have now.
Yeah, I understand turtling from my previous attempts many years back, and is why I totally understand why SRT makes sense, and how the mosred would also help this. This was more like quite a thin flaccid but not turtled (I guess as I had only been doing girth work instead of length?). Anyway, it didn't last long, just curious if that's a sign I've gone too heavy on the training, compared to the fat flaccid I've had the rest of the time.
Ok
Are you saying 30 days normal stretching before attempting bundles?
It seemed more like it pinched in the twist, but it could have been my hand. This is why I wondered if it matters where the twist is, I will just take more care.
Also, I found that bundles seemed to be giving me erections, is that common? Seems to not be helpful! Although i did see a video sokewhere of someone doing erext bundles I think?
Ok, will do next time
I think any basic one would be helpful to start logging asap, so if you have one available. I can create graphs etc myself if need be.
Yes, this is a normal state of fatigue. MOS Red is a great heat application to reduce stressing tissues. I jump right into red light therapy after each pumping or lengthening session. The thin flaccid is just your penis trying to do its best to preserve any possible trauma by reducting to bare minimum functional state. It's practically saying your body shuts down, cranking up the temperature, and push your blood pressure way off the chart to combat a cold or flu. Your penis is doing the same thing after suffering a lengthening or expansion trauma. This is why heat through wrapping is well received by the penis.
You can do 30 days with bundling but at low intensity. It's to help the skin to adapt to the new friction and abrasive routine.
When there's a pinch, it could be the bending angle during the bundling. We tend to favor a certain angle and dominant hand and go a bit too hard at it. This is why LM3 is used to prevent odd angling, but we can also cause too much favored tension due to the dominancy of our hand and arm strength.
Yes, very. Funny how to you say that. When you bundled up the routines, you're working on all aspects of the soft tissues, creating rigidity to the tissues. It's like building a house with good foundation and walls. When you do that, you also stimulate the growth to the nerves and blood vessels responsible for quicker responses for erection. This has been proven over and over again by urologists who specialized in PE.
We have many vides doing bundling, starting with DLD's videos. I believe we also have other brothers providing their own version of the bundling to provide ideas. So, you're not wrong to see "someone doing" their video with bundling. Don't just stick with one. Try each type to see what works.
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Love this template giving very specific results
Surely the bundles are breaking down the tissues, not building them? I'm getting them during the stretches... anyway, will just take some care. I did them very lightly today
So you seem to only be logging hours here. Thought you would have more detail about the workouts. Will try and adapt it, but a good starting basis.
So just replying quite quickly here, as my (new) girl is on her way. So wanted to dump some photos of me in the cockring on here and then delete then off my phone. They show soke different phases of me in the ring (hoping if I do thumbnails you can open and see).
On a separate note, it is now difficult to have my time in the morning to train when she is here. I have discussed PE with her, described it as a way of keeping penile health and good erections, but there can be size increases too. Haven't gone into detail of the kit as I've played it down so far. Quite challenging!
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You overthinking this. Just stretch hard and rest hard according to SRT.
MOS RED will help you to loosen up your penis after session if you end up stretching "to hard".
The same concept is true for girth work.
If you need rest take it, but try to implement it in a strategic way and not just because you are not feeling it.
Don't involve here in this on a detail level. Do what you do and she can know about it but that is it. Women know about my crazy weightlifting program, but that is it. The women in my life would never care about lifting 70-80 kilogram in dumbell row (just an example), or walking around with a 60 kg slam ball.
Just my suggestion.
You can do penis enlargement in the evening and night as I did it. Go high intensity is my recommendation, and everything 100% according to SRT.
Try to create a simple program, and you will be able to gain faster.
Pen and paper are superior as an initial logging method. You can put it in a spreadsheet later, don't get obsessed with details. But it's easier to just copy it with a phone or a scanner later when you are done.
Make it simple and gain fast.
To build something up, you have to break it down first. This is especially true for the bio-cellular world.
I don't pay attention to gain until some time later, say 3 to 6 months down the road. The more important aspects are time and routine types. This will give you great data trend analysis for what worked and what didn't.
Looks good at the stages. I don't see more than 3% fluid retention, which is a nice sign.
LOL. Welcome to PE life my brother. If you can't have enough time for true PE, SSJ while in bed will still account for the growth.
No, wasn't referring to tracking size, more the training details.
and is this level of large flaccid ok in the cockring... I did keep it more expanded while I was working today.
Forgot to add, today I checked my comfort level in the pump. For the first time today, 6Hg seemed comfortable and I went to 7Hg for 30 seconds and back down across each 5 minute set.
On top of that, I took a measurement while in the cockring after and I was seeing larger girth than my baseline, so that felt good.
For the first time, she is one that doesn't go to sleep before me. She has kids though, so I won't see her all the time, I can use my work lunchbreak when working from home 3dpw.
Didn't get any time between Friday lunch and Sunday evening though this weekend.