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kriskros

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Hello guys,
I am writing this post based on all the info I have gathered so far and based on my own experiences. I have experienced the problem thst after the 2nd SSJ + Pump its very hard for me to go to the 3rd set. So I thought of this. (Don't forget my mental problems etc)
What If I am doing one set of ssj + pump and then immediatelly put cockring for 1 hour. Then, after 1 hour using cockring, remove cockring and do ssj + pump again + cockring for 1 hour again. And then ssj + pump + cockring for 2 hours again.
Total 3 ssj + pump (someone can do this 5 times)
Total cockring 4 hours.
I am thinking of this because my body can't handle the immediate 5x5x3 so I thought cementing for that time while renewing the process will make good.
How does sound ? Or my imagination is too much ? Haha :d
 
Do remember that the 5x5x3 is a baseline routine discovered to be the most effective by the veteran brothers here. However, you don't have to tackle the 5x5x3 each and every time. You must find the most suitable routine to fit your needs. Tailor your needs through the various routines offered.

You're not imaging at all. Actually, it's similar to the 3x3x2 and twice a day I suggested earlier. You can even modified to 2x2x2 at high intensity when you're ready for it. The 1st set is always the warm up set to prime your penile tissue to under stress conditions. The 2nd set is where the true work lies, and the 3rd set is just to further push the expansion to guarantee the cellular membrain breakage and even to deal more membrain breakage to gain additional benefits during stresses period.

Now, let's take your proposal through a microscopic view. If your mental health can allow you to do an initial warm up set without any issue, use baseline pressure at 5 inHg for the SSJ and the pump at a 3 minutes SSJ and 3 minutes pump. Not sure what your baseline is now, but for the 2nd set, if your mental health allows, go 2 inHg higher at less time. Use the 60% to 70% normal erection girth cock ring to trap your blood for 10 minutes interval, with 50 minutes break in between each erection (if possible). That 10 minutes break will create the needed cell membrane repair response, and the 50 minutes without blood trapping to allow cool down time during responses.

If your mental health doesn't allow two sets at a time, you can do 1 set of 5 minutes SSJ to flex the tissues at stronger intensity, 5 minutes pump at higher intensity (if your baseline is 5 inHg, go for 7 inHg), and do the same cock ring method above.

This is about how you can fine tune your method to effectively break the cell membranes and promote expansion based on your current level. If you are successfully achieve your gain while having external issues, you'll lead the brotherhood into a new branch of confirm routine for those with similar conditions. PE is a journey, and each journeyman has his unique criteria. It's not a one routine fits all.
 
Because I was clamping for 8 months, my penis - for some reason - has great resistance on HG. I am using the pump at 13HG because under 13HG I am feeling nothing, really. The problem is that because of my erection problems, I enter the pump at 60-70% erect and I have to push to 13HG. If I had 100% erection, I BET I would go max for 8HG.
Basically, everything has to do with my erection! This is something outside my power because I cannot force it to be 100%.

So, basecally you say that 2x2x2 + cockring 1 hour whereas for 10 mins in cockring the penis is erected. 2 times a day. Right?
 
kriskros said:
Hello guys,
I am writing this post based on all the info I have gathered so far and based on my own experiences. I have experienced the problem thst after the 2nd SSJ + Pump its very hard for me to go to the 3rd set. So I thought of this. (Don't forget my mental problems etc)
What If I am doing one set of ssj + pump and then immediatelly put cockring for 1 hour. Then, after 1 hour using cockring, remove cockring and do ssj + pump again + cockring for 1 hour again. And then ssj + pump + cockring for 2 hours again.
Total 3 ssj + pump (someone can do this 5 times)
Total cockring 4 hours.
I am thinking of this because my body can't handle the immediate 5x5x3 so I thought cementing for that time while renewing the process will make good.
How does sound ? Or my imagination is too much ? Haha :d
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You should give it a try. It should work as long as there is still expansion. This is a style of training that no one has ever experimented on before
 
kriskros said:
Because I was clamping for 8 months, my penis - for some reason - has great resistance on HG. I am using the pump at 13HG because under 13HG I am feeling nothing, really. The problem is that because of my erection problems, I enter the pump at 60-70% erect and I have to push to 13HG. If I had 100% erection, I BET I would go max for 8HG.
Basically, everything has to do with my erection! This is something outside my power because I cannot force it to be 100%.

So, basecally you say that 2x2x2 + cockring 1 hour whereas for 10 mins in cockring the penis is erected. 2 times a day. Right?
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You can gain with doing 5x5x3 once every day. 2 days on and 1 day rest, or 1 day on 1 day rest.
 
kriskros said:
So, basecally you say that 2x2x2 + cockring 1 hour whereas for 10 mins in cockring the penis is erected. 2 times a day. Right?
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Yes. Give this a try to see where you are. 13 inHg may be your new baseline. A bit high due to possible tissue thickening from clamping. Shower, do try to warm up with 10 inHg, and enter into 13 inHg zone on the second set. Do try same at night. Try this for a few weeks to a few month to see if you obtain any change between gain vs EQ benefits. If not, resume with. The 15 to 20 minutes priming pumping methods with 2 minutes intervals just like the video. The pumping length is a bit longer than needed as cell membranes already been broken on the first few reps.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
You can gain with doing 5x5x3 once every day. 2 days on and 1 day rest, or 1 day on 1 day rest.
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I really do not know which is the best thing to do.
Push my self to the limits like @DLD said or just find a decent way to do 5/7 a week girth routine.
I am confused because I am very new to this.
Also, for some reason, my expansion after the pumping session is not lasting as much as it was before (when i remove the cockring after 30 mins for PEE then i lose 50% expansion). Any ideas on this? Or it does not matter?
 
Pushing the limits is to engage growth. It doesn't mean that you automatically gain the exact size you pumped up to after each session. If that's easy, we wouldn't be killing ourselves pumping daily to our limits.

Every time you break down a cell membrane, that cell membrane is recovered to its normal size. However, what you are doing during pumping is to create gaps in between the cells, forcing them to regenerate, replicate, and fill in the gaps. Each cell you introduce during regenerative process is is 100 micrometer. You have to force your gaps to be densely filled successfully 10 times to get 0.04 inch of growth. It's not about 10 little cells. It's about 10 compressive lines of successful cell growth like a tree ring, packed tight, loaded up with 100+ cells into that single gap to overcrowd for a permanent growth.

So yes, your penis will deflate, and continue to deflate after the removal of the cock ring after each pumping session. The girth remains at 70 to 80% the pump state for a while, between 30 minutes to a few hours, before returning to the prior erected state. You're building your girth one little micrometer at a time.
 
oldandlively said:
Pushing the limits is to engage growth. It doesn't mean that you automatically gain the exact size you pumped up to after each session. If that's easy, we wouldn't be killing ourselves pumping daily to our limits.

Every time you break down a cell membrane, that cell membrane is recovered to its normal size. However, what you are doing during pumping is to create gaps in between the cells, forcing them to regenerate, replicate, and fill in the gaps. Each cell you introduce during regenerative process is is 100 micrometer. You have to force your gaps to be densely filled successfully 10 times to get 0.04 inch of growth. It's not about 10 little cells. It's about 10 compressive lines of successful cell growth like a tree ring, packed tight, loaded up with 100+ cells into that single gap to overcrowd for a permanent growth.

So yes, your penis will deflate, and continue to deflate after the removal of the cock ring after each pumping session. The girth remains at 70 to 80% the pump state for a while, between 30 minutes to a few hours, before returning to the prior erected state. You're building your girth one little micrometer at a time.
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If that's the case i must pump 20 times a day !!!!
 
kriskros said:
Okay can I hear your best advice please this is confusing me !
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Pumping 20 times a day is like saying you'll be working out nonstop all day. You'll gain very little, and your body will reach fatigues to the point where it will shut off any possible avenue to grow.

However, look back up in the previous posts. Try the two routines we discussed about. One as your 15 to 20 minutes intermediate approach, with 2 minutes on high pressure and release to get the blood flow again. In that 2 minutes, you already prime your penis to break the cell walls at 13 inHg that you indicated. Any additional pumping after will further break any cell membranes that are not broken. I can't tell you how the cell membranes will break based on the pumping method. As long as there is no air gaps in the system at thr high pressure you are using, you can control the level of deformity of your growth during your attempt to create cellular gaps.

The method I advised was 2x2x3 or even 3x3x2 twice a day, with cock ring in between. At that level, your cell membranes already underwent breakage for repair, and the cock ring all day with interval erections continues to provide the gaps you need for girth building.

Try one or the other for a few months, and see which works best for you. However, don't expect sudden massive girth gain after a few weeks to a few months. It's a progressive and accumulative gain each passing week, no matter how little it may be. Be patient.
 
Just do a reduced level until you can work yourself up. 3x3x2 sounds best. Also note that you are concerned about cementing, unless another VET has something to say, that is not the right word for what you are doing now. You are growing and keeping it in a state of growth, cementing is more about when you have reached your objective and you are on autopilot to cement what you have gained. That's later.
 
bemorethanbig said:
You are growing and keeping it in a state of growth, cementing is more about when you have reached your objective and you are on autopilot to cement what you have gained. That's later.
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Yes cementing and gaining is a little different.
If we don't stop and start our maintenance progran after we reached our goal, there is a big risk that we will overshot our goal big time.
 
kriskros said:
Because I was clamping for 8 months, my penis - for some reason - has great resistance on HG. I am using the pump at 13HG because under 13HG I am feeling nothing, really. The problem is that because of my erection problems, I enter the pump at 60-70% erect and I have to push to 13HG. If I had 100% erection, I BET I would go max for 8HG.
Basically, everything has to do with my erection! This is something outside my power because I cannot force it to be 100%.

So, basecally you say that 2x2x2 + cockring 1 hour whereas for 10 mins in cockring the penis is erected. 2 times a day. Right?
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Have you stopped clamping ? Very smart if so. The 5x5x3 is the fastest abd safest way to go
 
DLD said:
Have you stopped clamping ? Very smart if so. The 5x5x3 is the fastest abd safest way to go
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Yes I have stopped long time now, and I am afraid it did somehow some damage on my penis taking into account how were my erections back then and how they are now. But little by little, doing 5x5x3, it seems that I am getting something back. How does 5x5x3 extended sounds to you?
 
oldandlively said:
Pumping 20 times a day is like saying you'll be working out nonstop all day. You'll gain very little, and your body will reach fatigues to the point where it will shut off any possible avenue to grow.

However, look back up in the previous posts. Try the two routines we discussed about. One as your 15 to 20 minutes intermediate approach, with 2 minutes on high pressure and release to get the blood flow again. In that 2 minutes, you already prime your penis to break the cell walls at 13 inHg that you indicated. Any additional pumping after will further break any cell membranes that are not broken. I can't tell you how the cell membranes will break based on the pumping method. As long as there is no air gaps in the system at thr high pressure you are using, you can control the level of deformity of your growth during your attempt to create cellular gaps.

The method I advised was 2x2x3 or even 3x3x2 twice a day, with cock ring in between. At that level, your cell membranes already underwent breakage for repair, and the cock ring all day with interval erections continues to provide the gaps you need for girth building.

Try one or the other for a few months, and see which works best for you. However, don't expect sudden massive girth gain after a few weeks to a few months. It's a progressive and accumulative gain each passing week, no matter how little it may be. Be patient.
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I will try 1 week 5x5x3 extended to see how my body feels and after that I will try 3x3x2 twice a day and check again too how my body reacts.
I just want to find the best method for this. One last question. How much time between those 2 sets?
 
I wish clamping would be banned, and not recommended.

But these methods are still used in multiple sites throughout the Internet. In my opinion there is to much risk with it.

@kriskros hard pumping can make your erections bad, or cut them off. Then you need rest.
What I do is to balance active pe with passive pe. Because if I went every day my erections would be gone and I would stop gaining.
 
kriskros said:
Yes I have stopped long time now, and I am afraid it did somehow some damage on my penis taking into account how were my erections back then and how they are now. But little by little, doing 5x5x3, it seems that I am getting something back. How does 5x5x3 extended sounds to you?
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If you can handle it go for it
 
kriskros said:
I will try 1 week 5x5x3 extended to see how my body feels and after that I will try 3x3x2 twice a day and check again too how my body reacts.
I just want to find the best method for this. One last question. How much time between those 2 sets?
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Each person has different reset time. Healthy person can range between 3 to 4 hours. Some range between 5 and 7 hours. Some need 12 hours. It varies quite a bit. This is where you have to find your reset time. Try 5 hours first, then 7, or even 24 hours, and somewhere in between. You may have a good day that only need 1 hour. You may have a bad day that need 48 hours or even 72 hours of reset time. You know your body better than we do. So log your PE info as part of a personal medical/health history journal. I do it for all my family members.
 
kriskros said:
Because I was clamping for 8 months, my penis - for some reason - has great resistance on HG. I am using the pump at 13HG because under 13HG I am feeling nothing, really. The problem is that because of my erection problems, I enter the pump at 60-70% erect and I have to push to 13HG. If I had 100% erection, I BET I would go max for 8HG.
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I put some thought into this, just because you are not feeling anything at 13hg does not mean that 13Hg is not being applied and I'm never at that pressure with any good results. Trust the process and stay at 10 Hg, as tough as it may seem, trust the process, it may take months but so do many things you want in life. If you have to reduce the amount of PE (like 3x3x2 to just once a day) to get to 80-90% erect, that is better than trying to push more pressure with a lower erection. Say to yourself, "trust the process" 10 x a day.
 
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I put some thought into this, just because you are not feeling anything at 13hg does not mean that 13Hg is not being applied and I'm never at that pressure with any good results. Trust the process and stay at 10 Hg, as tough as it may seem, trust the process, it may take months but so do many things you want in life. If you have to reduce the amount of PE (like 3x3x2 to just once a day) to get to 80-90% erect, that is better than trying to push more pressure with a lower erection. Say to yourself, "trust the process" 10 x a day.
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I agree with you. Going hard day in and day out in this manner is not even possible for myself. I go hard but I do not go hard all the time. That is the reason it is important to balance rest and recovery when doing girth work (according to SRT).

For example: I have now done 3-4 days extremely hard, but to gain I now need to let my tissue rest a bit (expanded and elongated) for at least 1 day. If I would do this intensity day in and day out without resting my tissue, my penis would stop working (no erections), and I would probably also stop gaining.

@kriskros I would recommend you to find the sweet spot for gaining (active pe and passive/recovery pe).

There is also a thing called: overworking the tissue. This can happen both with length work and girth work.
1 session per day, or 2 days on 1 day off can be more then enough for you to promote/induce growth.
 
I do not even understand how I have to heal during a GIRTH routine. I understand that in length routine healing with a silisleeve or a bandage is the way to go but in my case where I go for BOTH girth and Length the only "heal" I can do is....to rest a day? like you say 2 days work 1 day off? For some reason my penis hurts at the place I have curvature why's that
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
I agree with you. Going hard day in and day out in this manner is not even possible for myself. I go hard but I do not go hard all the time. That is the reason it is important to balance rest and recovery when doing girth work (according to SRT).

For example: I have now done 3-4 days extremely hard, but to gain I now need to let my tissue rest a bit (expanded and elongated) for at least 1 day. If I would do this intensity day in and day out without resting my tissue, my penis would stop working (no erections), and I would probably also stop gaining.

@kriskros I would recommend you to find the sweet spot for gaining (active pe and passive/recovery pe).

There is also a thing called: overworking the tissue. This can happen both with length work and girth work.
1 session per day, or 2 days on 1 day off can be more then enough for you to promote/induce growth.
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I also would like to ask a question if you can answer please my friend.
I am 5.1' length, 5.5' girth. Which Silisleeve do I need?
I am very, very, very sensitive when it comes to this thing. Even bandage (jim's) makes my penis feel suffocated because I have belly fat. Can you help me chose on this from here please Penis Silicone Sleeves | Penis Silicone Sleeve for Men – PPC
Thanks
 
There's a misconception that PE girth work is for gaining only. PE light, emphasize on "light", girth work is about breaking down existing cells to engage and promote the body to send healing responses to the penis that get one of the least attentions among the limbs. As PE veterans that achieved their sizes, they want to maintain it by reminding the body that the penis needs nourishment and healing as well. Atrophy is a beast. It doesn't require growth for the penis to vacate the wastes. It only needs am outlet. Once you pass your prime for reproductive period, the body neglects your penis and send all critical nutrients elsewhere.

as for the sleeve for anti-turtling, the common size is your measured flaccid size and length, and not the erected. I use the one that is 90% of my flaccid size to prevent sudden slippage during humid days. Do know that you will need something below your glans at the glans's base to prevent it from retracting under tension. I use the penis cap and a cut out sleeve at the base as a wide width ring to hold everyone in place.
 
oldandlively said:
There's a misconception that PE girth work is for gaining only. PE light, emphasize on "light", girth work is about breaking down existing cells to engage and promote the body to send healing responses to the penis that get one of the least attentions among the limbs. As PE veterans that achieved their sizes, they want to maintain it by reminding the body that the penis needs nourishment and healing as well. Atrophy is a beast. It doesn't require growth for the penis to vacate the wastes. It only needs am outlet. Once you pass your prime for reproductive period, the body neglects your penis and send all critical nutrients elsewhere.

as for the sleeve for anti-turtling, the common size is your measured flaccid size and length, and not the erected. I use the one that is 90% of my flaccid size to prevent sudden slippage during humid days. Do know that you will need something below your glans at the glans's base to prevent it from retracting under tension. I use the penis cap and a cut out sleeve at the base as a wide width ring to hold everyone in place.
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Smart
 
oldandlively said:
There's a misconception that PE girth work is for gaining only. PE light, emphasize on "light", girth work is about breaking down existing cells to engage and promote the body to send healing responses to the penis that get one of the least attentions among the limbs. As PE veterans that achieved their sizes, they want to maintain it by reminding the body that the penis needs nourishment and healing as well. Atrophy is a beast. It doesn't require growth for the penis to vacate the wastes. It only needs am outlet. Once you pass your prime for reproductive period, the body neglects your penis and send all critical nutrients elsewhere.

as for the sleeve for anti-turtling, the common size is your measured flaccid size and length, and not the erected. I use the one that is 90% of my flaccid size to prevent sudden slippage during humid days. Do know that you will need something below your glans at the glans's base to prevent it from retracting under tension. I use the penis cap and a cut out sleeve at the base as a wide width ring to hold everyone in place.
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And when you want to pee your remove everything and start over? What if you are at work!
 
kriskros said:
And when you want to pee your remove everything and start over? What if you are at work!
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When you pee, just remove the cap. The restriction of the urethra is very light. I wear my ADS with 70% restriction and still pee with ease. Just slower peeing speed.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
It's not complicated my brother.
Just remove the wrap, or maybe you are using a sleeve?
Then you pee, and afterwards you put it on again.

You can stretch your penis a little bit to make it easier as well.
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Having to redo your rap every once in a while is important so you have the best stretch you can get
 
oldandlively said:
Do remember that the 5x5x3 is a baseline routine discovered to be the most effective by the veteran brothers here. However, you don't have to tackle the 5x5x3 each and every time. You must find the most suitable routine to fit your needs. Tailor your needs through the various routines offered.

You're not imaging at all. Actually, it's similar to the 3x3x2 and twice a day I suggested earlier. You can even modified to 2x2x2 at high intensity when you're ready for it. The 1st set is always the warm up set to prime your penile tissue to under stress conditions. The 2nd set is where the true work lies, and the 3rd set is just to further push the expansion to guarantee the cellular membrain breakage and even to deal more membrain breakage to gain additional benefits during stresses period.

Now, let's take your proposal through a microscopic view. If your mental health can allow you to do an initial warm up set without any issue, use baseline pressure at 5 inHg for the SSJ and the pump at a 3 minutes SSJ and 3 minutes pump. Not sure what your baseline is now, but for the 2nd set, if your mental health allows, go 2 inHg higher at less time. Use the 60% to 70% normal erection girth cock ring to trap your blood for 10 minutes interval, with 50 minutes break in between each erection (if possible). That 10 minutes break will create the needed cell membrane repair response, and the 50 minutes without blood trapping to allow cool down time during responses.

If your mental health doesn't allow two sets at a time, you can do 1 set of 5 minutes SSJ to flex the tissues at stronger intensity, 5 minutes pump at higher intensity (if your baseline is 5 inHg, go for 7 inHg), and do the same cock ring method above.

This is about how you can fine tune your method to effectively break the cell membranes and promote expansion based on your current level. If you are successfully achieve your gain while having external issues, you'll lead the brotherhood into a new branch of confirm routine for those with similar conditions. PE is a journey, and each journeyman has his unique criteria. It's not a one routine fits all.
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Should I start my 5x5x3 with the pump first or SSJ first? Any advice would be much appreciated
 
Day. said:
Should I start my 5x5x3 with the pump first or SSJ first? Any advice would be much appreciated
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Follow this program. SSJ"s first.
DLD said:
Girth Program: 5x5x3
5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

Attach SilliRing to retain girth
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DLD said:
That makes no difference. I always started with SSJ
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Just a report brother, those with really right tissues internally, SSJ and a few SRT routines broke down the internal tissues for pump priming. This came from those I assist locally and not on MOS. And yes, they are from the medical and scientific communities studying their own bodies for their PhDs. You nailed it a few posts back. By the way, some may reach out to you for references to credit you for their studies.

For most, it truly doesn't matter. We may need to approach this properly after asking them about their penile obstacles and conditions.
 
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kriskros said:
Can I ask a question please. If someone does 5x5x3 and puts the cockring and shortly after cockring blood refresh halt expansion dissapears that means that something went wrong with the routine ?
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Okay, let's provide clarity to the question being asked, using a hypothetical brother:

The brother does the 5x5x3 routine. All went well. For the post-routine cock ring usage, the blood is introduced to the penis, and the volume achieved 70% to 100% of the erected penis volume. At this point, the penis is not erected. Just the restricted blood volume.

Looking down at the penis, the blood volume being restricted in the penis didn't fill up to the post-pumping erected size. Is this what you're asking? If so, don't worry. As long as you can introduce between 70% to 100% of the blood into the penis as best as you can with the cock ring, that's plenty good. Nothing is wrong. The penile tissues is forcing themself to perform healing by regressing into the smallest form possible. This is what we called "turtling" phase. We force the regression by using "anti-turtling" with the post-pump cock ring restrictive approach. The volume of the blood will not reach the post-pumping expanded volume, unless the penis is full erected under restrictive method, and continue to be erected using kegels to add more blood volume in. This is when you truly see the blood volume at the post-pumping expansion. I do this when my wifes like to have a bit of fun after my pumping session to test out the new expanded size.

Never ever go into constricted approach. It's boreline dangerous, if not flat out dangerous. Constriction approach tends to use anything between 40% to 50% of the normal erection girth and not post pumping. This literally choking and kinking the tissues, nerves, and blood vessels into a smaller circumference.

IF and IF you MUST use constrictive approach by trapping blood in because of issues, you CANNOT allow the penis to go cold with the blood beyond 5 mintues. This is practically clamping territory using a cock ring. Your blood will quickly loses its oxygen content and the incidicator is your penis color is turning purple. This is also blood clotting phases. The longer you trap your blood, you're also introducing the blood cells into stravation phase, and possible cell death. It only happens to a few people, but most healthy people can go up to 30 minutes before this happens. My wife suffered this when she accidentally constricted the blood on her fingers for too long (around 25 minutes) when she was a child and destroyed her fingers. Imagine that but for the penis. In additional to constrict the blood, the cock ring may be too small, causing a kink or overpressized on the nerves and blood vessels. This literally mirrors clamping tissue/nerve/blood vessle damage. Not a good thing to do.
 
@oldandlively my brother please when you are speaking to me remember that you speak to a newbie that knows nothing of this world and tries to understand whats happening!
Let me tell you again what happened.
Did my 5x5x3 routine.
Put the cockring after 5x5x3 (the cockring i always use)
after 10 mins you said to remove cockring and massage and put it on - so this is what I did.
Another 10 mins passed and did the same.
Then, expansion got lost.
Should I be bothered?
P.S - I did NOT entered the cockring erected. Just flaccid.
 
No worry brother. It's just your body trying to force itself into a safety mode. You force it not to, but it tries its best to do it. It's a battle.

Try this method. I do it during cold days when my body is winning over the turtling battle by shrinking used to the smallest size possible. First is to keep the tissues warm and pliable. Use any comfortable heat source you can get your hands in, either be a heat/space warmer, a warm rice sock, or even a warm water bag. Warm your penis up for a few minutes, massage the penis and the areas above the penis to get the blood flowing around the groin, and try with the cock ring again. Let us know if that works for the next 5x5x3 post pumping session. If it doesn't, we'll use a different method.
 
oldandlively said:
No worry brother. It's just your body trying to force itself into a safety mode. You force it not to, but it tries its best to do it. It's a battle.

Try this method. I do it during cold days when my body is winning over the turtling battle by shrinking used to the smallest size possible. First is to keep the tissues warm and pliable. Use any comfortable heat source you can get your hands in, either be a heat/space warmer, a warm rice sock, or even a warm water bag. Warm your penis up for a few minutes, massage the penis and the areas above the penis to get the blood flowing around the groin, and try with the cock ring again. Let us know if that works for the next 5x5x3 post pumping session. If it doesn't, we'll use a different method.
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I have MOSRED.
Shall I use MOSRED after my 5x5x3 and then cockring? Or at the same time as cockring?
Also, did my 5x5x3 session worked? (I mean did i get any benefit?)
 
Does the 5x5x3 works? I can say yes. If your penis is reaching its fatigue to the point it doesn't like to get erected, the 5x5x3 routine is helping the penis to get out of its comfort zone. Imagine your lover is forcing you out of bed from being too lazy and get back into shape or get to work. Over time, the attitude will change and the changes to the needs for a workout or work is becoming a habit. In this case, and erection at will and erection quality to boot.
 
oldandlively said:
Does the 5x5x3 works? I can say yes. If your penis is reaching its fatigue to the point it doesn't like to get erected, the 5x5x3 routine is helping the penis to get out of its comfort zone. Imagine your lover is forcing you out of bed from being too lazy and get back into shape or get to work. Over time, the attitude will change and the changes to the needs for a workout or work is becoming a habit. In this case, and erection at will and erection quality to boot.
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Truth is after the second SSJ and PUMP (Not the first one) It is getting hard to have erection. Its getting too difficult. But I try it okay. I want to make it work.
So, Is it okay to use MOSRED before and After or it is too much?
 
That will be too much as daily dosage allowance. My suggestion is to use it after the pumping. It's more critical to encourage the blood after pumping than before. This is where the healing process continues. Try this method first and see how it goes with the warming session using the MOS Red. We'll come up with another method if it doesn't work after a few tries.
 
oldandlively said:
That will be too much as daily dosage allowance. My suggestion is to use it after the pumping. It's more critical to encourage the blood after pumping than before. This is where the healing process continues. Try this method first and see how it goes with the warming session using the MOS Red. We'll come up with another method if it doesn't work after a few tries.
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Okay I will do it even though I dont understand why.
So...5x5x3 and 10 mins after the first cockring I use MOSRED at 4 inches away for 10 mins?
 
kriskros said:
Okay I will do it even though I dont understand why.
So...5x5x3 and 10 mins after the first cockring I use MOSRED at 4 inches away for 10 mins?
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Never stop asking brother. If you don't understand, we'll explain as much as needed so you have the knowledge. PE is important, but your health is just as important.

The reason behind using MOS Red after the 1st cock ring session is to promote blood flow. Meaning what? You indicated that after the first cock ring session for 5 to 10 minutes, you can't get any more blood flow into your penis. This is because your penis is forcing the tissues of the penis along the entire penis shaft to retract back into the body. This is to prevent any further injury to the penis. Very common. Hope you understand this so far.

Now, the question is, "Why is my penis not allowing me to get more blood into it when I try to get blood into the second time when I'm using the cock ring?" Two things come into my mind immediately:
  1. Your penis is not ready or conditioned for the intense session of 5x5x3. For most brothers who are healthy, this is pretty harsh. I have two I'm coaching now, and both said the same thing. It's pretty intense. One is able to continue, and for the other, I'm telling him to ease up on the intensity until his penis can catch up. Rather than high pressure for the pump, I suggest to ease up by 2 inHg for the first and third pump. The second pump, go to the pressure he normally uses, which is the upper inHg pressure.
  2. During the SSJ session, which is manual jelqing, rather than high intensity on all the sets, only focus on the first set, and ease up on the second and third sets. Why? The first set allows you to expand your tissues just enough to have your 2nd pumping set to max out expansion. The second and third SSJ sets will simply help to maintain the expanded volume without causing you to become too fatigue. That works for him.
Fatigue is good, but it can also be bad such as in your case. We are experimenting on how much your penis can handle by approaching your 5x5x3 routine differently. Hope you understand to this point. This is to ease up on the amount of fatigue you're having.

Now, why the MOS Red light after the pumping? Since blood flow is influenced by temperature, by having the temperature around the groin area warmer, blood flows easier. It also helps to encourage the cells to work together in repairing while pulling whatever it can from the blood flowing around the groin area and inside the penis. However, we're doing this for 60 minutes, while we can only limit the amount of time for MOS Red around 15 minutes. At 15 minutes, you're already reaching 35 J/cm^2. That is the clinical and medical recommendation for daily dose of red light therapy. Anything beyond this, you're not getting the benefit of red light therapy BUT will get a diminishing of return. Meaning, it will harm you rather than help you. But what about the remaining 35 to 40 minutes you still have to use the cock ring? This is where we have to experiment what works for you and hoping that MOS Red is enough to keep your blood moving to get the erection you need to get the blood in.

Remember, we're helping your body to get it going one step at a time.
 
oldandlively said:
Never stop asking brother. If you don't understand, we'll explain as much as needed so you have the knowledge. PE is important, but your health is just as important.

The reason behind using MOS Red after the 1st cock ring session is to promote blood flow. Meaning what? You indicated that after the first cock ring session for 5 to 10 minutes, you can't get any more blood flow into your penis. This is because your penis is forcing the tissues of the penis along the entire penis shaft to retract back into the body. This is to prevent any further injury to the penis. Very common. Hope you understand this so far.

Now, the question is, "Why is my penis not allowing me to get more blood into it when I try to get blood into the second time when I'm using the cock ring?" Two things come into my mind immediately:
  1. Your penis is not ready or conditioned for the intense session of 5x5x3. For most brothers who are healthy, this is pretty harsh. I have two I'm coaching now, and both said the same thing. It's pretty intense. One is able to continue, and for the other, I'm telling him to ease up on the intensity until his penis can catch up. Rather than high pressure for the pump, I suggest to ease up by 2 inHg for the first and third pump. The second pump, go to the pressure he normally uses, which is the upper inHg pressure.
  2. During the SSJ session, which is manual jelqing, rather than high intensity on all the sets, only focus on the first set, and ease up on the second and third sets. Why? The first set allows you to expand your tissues just enough to have your 2nd pumping set to max out expansion. The second and third SSJ sets will simply help to maintain the expanded volume without causing you to become too fatigue. That works for him.
Fatigue is good, but it can also be bad such as in your case. We are experimenting on how much your penis can handle by approaching your 5x5x3 routine differently. Hope you understand to this point. This is to ease up on the amount of fatigue you're having.

Now, why the MOS Red light after the pumping? Since blood flow is influenced by temperature, by having the temperature around the groin area warmer, blood flows easier. It also helps to encourage the cells to work together in repairing while pulling whatever it can from the blood flowing around the groin area and inside the penis. However, we're doing this for 60 minutes, while we can only limit the amount of time for MOS Red around 15 minutes. At 15 minutes, you're already reaching 35 J/cm^2. That is the clinical and medical recommendation for daily dose of red light therapy. Anything beyond this, you're not getting the benefit of red light therapy BUT will get a diminishing of return. Meaning, it will harm you rather than help you. But what about the remaining 35 to 40 minutes you still have to use the cock ring? This is where we have to experiment what works for you and hoping that MOS Red is enough to keep your blood moving to get the erection you need to get the blood in.

Remember, we're helping your body to get it going one step at a time.
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I thank you so much for taking this time to make me understand. I am grateful I met you and thank you so much for this.
I will try 2morrow and I will let you know. The problem I have is that after 5x5x3 for some reason I can't have erections at all (I can't get erected inside cockring).
 
oldandlively said:
Okay, let's provide clarity to the question being asked, using a hypothetical brother:

The brother does the 5x5x3 routine. All went well. For the post-routine cock ring usage, the blood is introduced to the penis, and the volume achieved 70% to 100% of the erected penis volume. At this point, the penis is not erected. Just the restricted blood volume.

Looking down at the penis, the blood volume being restricted in the penis didn't fill up to the post-pumping erected size. Is this what you're asking? If so, don't worry. As long as you can introduce between 70% to 100% of the blood into the penis as best as you can with the cock ring, that's plenty good. Nothing is wrong. The penile tissues is forcing themself to perform healing by regressing into the smallest form possible. This is what we called "turtling" phase. We force the regression by using "anti-turtling" with the post-pump cock ring restrictive approach. The volume of the blood will not reach the post-pumping expanded volume, unless the penis is full erected under restrictive method, and continue to be erected using kegels to add more blood volume in. This is when you truly see the blood volume at the post-pumping expansion. I do this when my wifes like to have a bit of fun after my pumping session to test out the new expanded size.

Never ever go into constricted approach. It's boreline dangerous, if not flat out dangerous. Constriction approach tends to use anything between 40% to 50% of the normal erection girth and not post pumping. This literally choking and kinking the tissues, nerves, and blood vessels into a smaller circumference.

IF and IF you MUST use constrictive approach by trapping blood in because of issues, you CANNOT allow the penis to go cold with the blood beyond 5 mintues. This is practically clamping territory using a cock ring. Your blood will quickly loses its oxygen content and the incidicator is your penis color is turning purple. This is also blood clotting phases. The longer you trap your blood, you're also introducing the blood cells into stravation phase, and possible cell death. It only happens to a few people, but most healthy people can go up to 30 minutes before this happens. My wife suffered this when she accidentally constricted the blood on her fingers for too long (around 25 minutes) when she was a child and destroyed her fingers. Imagine that but for the penis. In additional to constrict the blood, the cock ring may be too small, causing a kink or overpressized on the nerves and blood vessels. This literally mirrors clamping tissue/nerve/blood vessle damage. Not a good thing to do.
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Excellent post
 
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