2nd Hand Smoke Dosent Cause Lung Cancer

[fender646]

I was shocked when I saw this documentary about how there is no scientific evidence that shows that you are at a significant health risk if you are exposed to 2nd hand smoke.

That kinda blew my mind, since all those [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] and laws say that it does cause cancer.

The report done by the EPA, that everyone anti-smoke group uses as evidence, was ruled in court as false because of an biased study with a pre-determined conclusion.

Did you guys know that? I quit smoking a while ago, but that surprised me a lot because I was always lead to believe that second-hand smoke is just as bad as first-hand.

 

[mowinman]

These anti-smoking activists will probably come out with a onslaught of other bullshit to try and prove the EPA wrong. Who believes everything you read anyway. Prohibition time.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. But they want to take your guns away.

Alcohol, a small percentage of the population has a problem drinking to excess yet, we all are punished for it.
.08 level is intoxicated. That means for me 1.5 beers over the course of an evening. They now want it lowered to .05. Can't even go enjoy an evening out, and no I don't drink to excess.

Smoking is banned all over the place. In some area's if you have kids you can't even smoke in your own home.

Don't touch your kids for punisHydromaxent. You'll be put in jail for spanking them.

Who the FUCK are these people to think they have the right to dictate how I live my life. I am sick of all these "ASSHOLES" trying to run almost every aspect of my life thinking their way is the only and best way, that I am a child and just don't know whats good for me.

I think that these self righteous assholes should be tied to a pole, given a drink, hooded, and put a cigarette in their mouth that they so whole heartedly think should be taken away from us and shoot them with the gun they would have you turn in could they pass such a law.

 

[fender646]

I could understand if people want to ban smoking i their restaurant. Thats their choice. But to pressure the government to pass legislature based on false evidence is wrong.

Who cares is you die young, as long as you have no regrets. Sometimes fun costs ya.

You cant spank your kids, but the government can issue a draft and take your kids off to war.

 

[fallen_one23]

They should just have all drugs legal, then all the assholes that abuse the drugs will die, and then we won't need all the rules against drugs.

 

[Super]

Second hand smoke kills, I dont care what anyone says.

 

[fender646]

Well your wrong.

 

[Super]

I might be, but I dont want to be around it!

 

[REDZULU2003]

2nd hand smoking IMHO KILLS KILLS KILLS.
In the UK they [Scinece] say it kills 2nd hand...been on the news here.
A famous guy,,,name cant remember, summut Castle??? he did a show called Record Breakers with that guy Chris Akabusi...anyway he died of cancer. Never smoked in his life, but sung alot in the clubs yeas ago in spoke filled rooms and alas it killed him.

2nd hand smoke is the same as normal smoke,,,,the fag is breathed in by the cunt smoking it than exaled out and than inhaled again by the 2nd hand smoker.

 

[penguinsfan]

I'm with mowinman in the sense that I want as little government and laws in my life as possible. I want to do as I please, and you to do as you please.

However, I am not ready to write off years of what science has told us. Yes, maybe it is not as bad as we previously thought. Here is what I know: I had an uncle that developed lung cancer and emphysema and he never smoked in his entire life, but worked around smokers for his entire working career. His doctors blamed second-hand smoke.

I do support individuals rights. However, your rights stop at another person's nose. You should not have the right to effectively force me to breathe a carcinogen.

For the record, I also do not support the lawsuits against the tobacco companies either. It's not as if I'm a radical anti-smoking advocate, but we've got a long way to go before secondhand smoke dangers can simply be dismissed as junk science.

 

[fender646]

The CRS report said the Brownson study, which the EPA ignored, showed "no risk at all."

Almost all of these anti-smoke who say it kills, almost all refer the the EPA's report for their evidence.

I forgot that the English call cigarettes, fags. And they call cats, pussies. We should do that in the US.

 

[fallen_one23]

Originally posted by NeXus
I forgot that the English call cigarettes, fags. And they call cats, pussies. We should do that in the US.

pussy is a cool word, we should use it more often:s

 

[REDZULU2003]

yey us Brits are unusual.
''Here pussy.....pussy......come here pussy.....where are you......puss puss...'' <<<< Typical over-here we think nuthing of it...but imagine of some UK geezer came to the states and said that in the garden to find the cat....the neighbours hearing this would think hes some sick pervert rofl and knowing how mad you yanks are well.....probably would shoot the trat

 

[fender646]

I think thats why America is different. I always here my friends say that when they go to other countries in Europe, or even Canada, everyone seems nicer and warmer.

Like in Canada how everyone says Eh! Buddy!

I bet if we adopted those kinda social things, like calling cigarettes, fags. Gay-hate would decrease, and smoking would also decrease. Win-win.

 

[Godsize]

Non smokers DIE every day.

What about "2nd hand car exhaust"? Surely there's more exposure to that. You don't see them banning cars, do ya?

 

[penguinsfan]

Originally posted by Godsize
What about "2nd hand car exhaust"? Surely there's more exposure to that. You don't see them banning cars, do ya?

Bad argument. You can live without cigarettes, though I understand they're highly addictive. In the modern western world, a car is a necessity for most people. In addition, I don't know that car exhaust has been proven to be a highly concentrated carcinogen.

Don't misunderstand me folks. I don't doubt for a second that the hardcore anti-smoking zealots have exaggerated the dangers of secondhand smoke. I never really believed that nonsense I was told as a kid that being in the room with a smoker for 20 minutes was the same as smoking yourself. I doubt that secondhand smoke as nearly as harmful as firsthand smoke, but I don't buy that it's harmless.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by penguinsfan


I do support individuals rights. However, your rights stop at another person's nose. You should not have the right to effectively force me to breathe a carcinogen.

The problem with this argument, is that in most situations no one is forced to breath second hand smoke. In many cases, non-smokers choose to frequent establisHydromaxents or be around people with the expectation that they will encounter smoke.

This is why it is important that bars and restaurants be allowed to choose whether to be smoke free or not. There is certainly a market for both types. Those who do not want smoke are free to patronize smoke-free establisHydromaxents with an expectation of protection from S.H.S. Smokers (and most non-smokers) will continue to frequent smoking establisHydromaxents. I think in the social scene, non-smokers actually enjoy being around smokers.

If I go to someone's house (and they smoke) they may choose to smoke in my presence. It is my choice to be there. If I go out to a bar or club or whatever, I fully expect to be around smokers and go home with my clothing and body soiled by the stench.This is simply just a cost of going out.

Do I think it is harmful? Yes. However, I do not see it as a huge health problem. I think most people just dont understand "health" in general. We are healthier and live longer than we ever have in history,yet certain interest groups continue to attempt to scare people into believeing we have health crises (same can be said for the myth of health insurance and other things) that we dont actually have. I also dont believe the naivete when it comes to the concept of mortality. Human beings are supposed to die. If people are dying from cancer in their 80s or 90s,its not a big deal-they have actually lived longer and healthier than expected.

 

[REDZULU2003]

LOTS of new commercials on the UK TV's right now saying that Kids are innocent and dieing, catching alsorts of crap from their parents smokeing habits....I will go of what the UK gouvernment are saying.. they tend tobe more reliable than the USA gouvernment....they dont release summut over here unless its been looked into and ass fucked to death.
Also NOTE In Scotland...ya know part of the UK ? anyway they are brining out a BAN on smoking in ALL Public places.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
BAN on smoking in ALL Public places.

The only problem I have with this, is usually governments don't know the definition of "public" and apply these bans to private places. In addition to your home, bars and restaurants are also private establisHydromaxents.

 

[Godsize]

Harmful? No way!!

Super cool? You betcha!

 

[penguinsfan]

Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
The problem with this argument, is that in most situations no one is forced to breath second hand smoke. In many cases, non-smokers choose to frequent establisHydromaxents or be around people with the expectation that they will encounter smoke.

You're largely right on this. The smoking and non-smoking sections do pretty well for the needs of most people in restaurants. As much as I hate smelling like smoke after a night in the clubs, I do accept it as an inevitable reality. The only problem I see is that a person with a breathing condition that should not be around smoke might find it to be a cumbersome task to locate a suitable eating establisHydromaxent when traveling.

I would never expect a smoker to accomodate my sensitivities in his own home. Actually, some try to. I work with a good friend that will always move to a further chair when we're conversing in his apartment and he feels the need to light up. It's a nice gesture, but I feel he can do as he pleases in his own place.

My main objection is the workplace. Most workplaces have acceptable standards in place to respect the needs of everyone. However, I do have a good friend interviewing with a bank that allows its employees to smoke at their cubicles. She loves the idea, because she is a smoker, but it is a terrible policy. A job is much more of a necessity than a cold draft or a cheeseburger. Maybe I should accept the smoke-filled environment if I want to go into a bar or a restaurant, but not to earn a paycheck. I have my choice of what bar or restaurant I wish to patronize. However, I don't necessarily have a choice of where I work. It may be the best paying job I can find and I may not have the luxury of going elsewhere. Fortunately, this is a very rare exception, as most businesses have put a stop to smoking freely within all areas of the workplace.

 

[Omul_Paianjen]

Why wouldn`t it? It`s just the same chemical substance as the 1st hand smoke.[don`t know if that`s the expression]
I gave up smoking and when I`m in a place where other people smoke, I cough like I used to cough when I smoked.
If you don`t think that it`s OK to stay in a smoking ambience as a non-smoker, you do it at your own risk, but it couldn`t be good for your health.

 

[REDZULU2003]

exactly....and all I know is the UK is REALLLY clamping down on 2nd hand smoke, by banning alot of smokers from public places.
Smokers are so ignorant....they just light up in-front of you and breath that SHIT all over ya....its a scruffy, dirty habbit.

 

[DLD]

Subscribing

 

[ladylove]

this is interesting. I'd like to see the actual article and I'd like to know who conducted the study.

 

[johnny77]

Philip Morris

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by johnny77
Philip Morris

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