The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

Would it be wise for anyone following this way of training to use a urethral thermometer, so they know the exact temperature inside?

A good description of the equipment, manufacturer recommendations would be useful.

All sounds splendid, and it's the actual heat application following a specific regimen that gets results here, not the exercise used, as I can see pretty much whatever stretch being effective, so long the pathway is followed.
 
I currently am not using ADS in my campaign. I have noticed increased strain rates but that's probably because the penis has a chance to fully return to baseline between workouts. I will see what kind of gains this run, I'll be throwing in girth next month. I could then add ADS iback next campaign to compare.

Red you could certainly use a thermometer in your urethra to see what kind of internal temperatures you're getting and try to mimic that feeling during your workouts but it would be impossible to do the kind of stretches needed with a thermometer in your urethra at the same time. I think you're correct as the type of stretch doesn't matter that much as looking as the pathway with heat is followed.

Also I use the Delta 3 mHz Ultrasound machine. I started with 1.4 w/cm² and now I'll use anywhere from 1.8-2.0 w/cm², never going over 2.0 w/cm² which I find almost unbearable in intensity after a few minutes. This has been deemed safe. I would keep the range at 1.4-2.0 w/cm² for a 3 mHz. It should be around the same for a 1 mHz machine. I believe kyrpa's goes up to 1.6 w/cm².
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
Would it be wise for anyone following this way of training to use a urethral thermometer, so they know the exact temperature inside?

A good description of the equipment, manufacturer recommendations would be useful.

All sounds splendid, and it's the actual heat application following a specific regimen that gets results here, not the exercise used, as I can see pretty much whatever stretch being effective, so long the pathway is followed.
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It woud be ideal to have urethral temperatures monitored. But in practice not possible. If someone is going to measure urethral temperatures it should be done safest with flexible thermocoupling wires coated with shrinkage tubing to make it slippery and easy to cleanse.

Second best is to run test series to learn the heat cycle process. Then it would be easier to run correctly and safe.

Easiest way to do it safe is to run it with equipment just enough intensity and not to look for speeding up the process with too powerful input with the transducer.

As longstretch already mentioned I am running the operation with 1MHz 1.6w/cm^2 , US Pro 2000 2nd edition.
Pros are that it is afforable and just about powerful enough.

Cons are that it has transducer head of 4 cm^2 which is a bit too large because it needs to be pushed against the shaft .
Another thing is the safety feature cutting the output every time the head warms above 42°C until it cools a bit.
This causes immediate drops in urethral temperature readings.

Despite the cons I am going to run the dual approach with two identical pieces fixed together. The reason is seen in the graph.
Two urethral probes were inside 6 cm separating them and we can clearly see in which direction the transducer was going.

With two transducers it is easier to have better heat distribution and over all median temperature.
I am lookin for expanding the absolute therapeutic window and upping the median temperatue from 40.6 °C to 41.5°C during.
 
kyrpa said:
It woud be ideal to have urethral temperatures monitored. But in practice not possible. If someone is going to measure urethral temperatures it should be done safest with flexible thermocoupling wires coated with shrinkage tubing to make it slippery and easy to cleanse.

Second best is to run test series to learn the heat cycle process. Then it would be easier to run correctly and safe.

Easiest way to do it safe is to run it with equipment just enough intensity and not to look for speeding up the process with too powerful input with the transducer.

As longstretch already mentioned I am running the operation with 1MHz 1.6w/cm^2 , US Pro 2000 2nd edition.
Pros are that it is afforable and just about powerful enough.

Cons are that it has transducer head of 4 cm^2 which is a bit too large because it needs to be pushed against the shaft .
Another thing is the safety feature cutting the output every time the head warms above 42°C until it cools a bit.
This causes immediate drops in urethral temperature readings.

Despite the cons I am going to run the dual approach with two identical pieces fixed together. The reason is seen in the graph.
Two urethral probes were inside 6 cm separating them and we can clearly see in which direction the transducer was going.

With two transducers it is easier to have better heat distribution and over all median temperature.
I am lookin for expanding the absolute therapeutic window and upping the median temperatue from 40.6 °C to 41.5°C during.
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What would be better? To make two transducers taped together or something so you have a bigger ultrasound surface...

Or making two transducers tied together in opposite direction so the transducers are directed at eachother while giving ultrasounds but with space in between for dick shaft. So you can move your two transducers axially along the shaft from base to tip and maybe rotating a bit for a more deep heating distribution in the whole shaft and glans. For me with hanging the critical heating point would be the connection of the shaft with the glans... That’s the place where all the magic happens for me I think when hanging in the SiliStretcher.

So two ultrasound devices ? Check! Great idea ??
 
We need to get Boston Dynamics on this tip QUICK. I would love to have a back-flipping, cock-tugging, heat-transferring dog bot in my arsenal...

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Me personally I'm not going to invest in 2 US units. So I'll have an IR lamp and maybe even a rice sock to keep heat distributed. I keep my balls in my underwear, I know some are freaked out by heat and testicles. You can tell I lift, I lift big boy weights naturally and have no problems with testosterone.

But playing devils advocate having your penis sandwiched between 2 continuously moving transducers lubed with gel would be very difficult to accomplish. A side by side transducer would be more realistic.
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
All sounds splendid, and it's the actual heat application following a specific regimen that gets results here, not the exercise used, as I can see pretty much whatever stretch being effective, so long the pathway is followed.
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I guess you have been on these duties that long you can see the core of it . Great, that is exactly right.

This concept should be almost completely independent of the equipment used.

There are these certain key elements to follow and the specific window to operate inside. Results are real and are already duplicated by several users.
 
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RED is certainly well educated in the penile growth department. I have put his methods into play and I have been pleasantly rewarded. As a matter of fact, my BPFSL was checked a little while ago, and it is .5" longer than when I last checked around 4 weeks ago, I believe.

This is a thread full of incredible knowledge, from some extremely knowledgeable individuals. It should be encased in glass and displayed when it is completed...
 
Thanks Kyrpa.

You're certainly pioneering this Pathway.

Heat has always been important, but you've really exposed just how vital, when, and how it should be applied.

I see the work you've pioneered, alongside longstretch is a game changer in the conventional PE world, but it will likely take awhile to catch on.

I'll be getting a US device in the months ahead.

Could you provide a site link to the device.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Thanks Kyrpa.

You're certainly pioneering this Pathway.

Heat has always been important, but you've really exposed just how vital, when, and how it should be applied.

I see the work you've pioneered, alongside longstretch is a game changer in the conventional PE world, but it will likely take awhile to catch on.

I'll be getting a US device in the months ahead.

Could you provide a site link to the device.
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Thank you Sir I appreciate,

It was obvious the heat is needed. But the results vary between users too much and there were still too many non gainers.

It is found out that almost two decades ago there were pioneers who already figured it out that ultrasound was the way to go.
But at that time there were no affordable machines available for consumers. So they went on with the infra red.

Like so many other things in PE that was adopted as a standard and since then nobody never questioned it.
We need to have open mind and question every direction leading highgainers have lead us for two decades.
Otherwise we will be circulating in a loop with only few high gainers once in a while others suffering with no gains at all.

Other crucial thing which should be the basis of everything we do was the stress strain relations not presented in any PE forums.
This was again traced back to early 2000´s when some enthuaistic pioneers presented the load - strain curves in the first place. Both cold and heated. But the ground breaking indications were not taken seriously enough and were forgotten since. So many wasted years for many trying to force their way against the nature makes me sad.

There are still inventions to make and the community is responsible to producing those by themselves. We can´t stay still and keep believing.
We need to study and measure. If we are not getting measurable gains we should not continue with what we are doing.

The whole scene must take a step, in my opinion we are stuck in to state bodybuilding was at 50's before the invention of the Dianabol.
Since then everything has exloded with the whole industry developing in every possible aspect.
Today natural bodybuilders are getting gains early juicers had in their time of success.

If any of our recent efforts turns out to be catalyst for greater things to come, I would be really glad.

There are guys using 3MHz devices with great success but once I already have one of these 1 MHz machines I ordered one more.

This was the latest purchase:

 
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kyrpa said:
Thank you Sir I appreciate,

It was obvious the heat is needed. But the results vary between users too much and there were still too many non gainers.

It is found out that almost two decades ago there were pioneers who already figured it out that ultrasound was the way to go.
But at that time there were no affordable machines available for consumers. So they went on with the infra red.

Like so many other things in PE that was adopted as a standard and since then nobody never questioned it.
We need to have open mind and question every direction leading highgainers have lead us for two decades.
Otherwise we will be circulating in a loop with only few high gainers once in a while others suffering with no gains at all.

Other crucial thing which should be the basis of everything we do was the stress strain relations not presented in any PE forums.
This was again traced back to early 2000´s when some enthuaistic pioneers presented the load - strain curves in the first place. Both cold and heated. But the ground breaking indications were not taken seriously enough and were forgotten since. So many wasted years for many trying to force their way against the nature makes me sad.

There are still inventions to make and the community is responsible to producing those by themselves. We can´t stay still and keep believing.
We need to study and measure. If we are not getting measurable gains we should not continue with what we are doing.

The whole scene must take a step, in my opinion we are stuck in to state bodybuilding was at 50's before the invention of the Dianabol.
Since then everything has exloded with the whole industry developing in every possible aspect.
Today natural bodybuilders are getting gains early juicers had in their time of success.

If any of our recent efforts turns out to be catalyst for greater things to come, I would be really glad.

There are guys using 3MHz devices with great success but once I already have one of these 1 MHz machines I ordered one more.

This was the latest purchase:

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I partly agree with you.

That's because plenty of men gain using lots of different methods, exercises, routines, but, the turbo ignition to it, could very well be this ultrasound.

I gained from 6.6 x 5.4 erect to 8 x 7 currently and I used no ultrasound, but that doesn't mean I discount it, or would scoff my nose skyward.

So yes, I agree that this takes things further, more akin to adding a further string to the bow, but one that makes everything all the more potent.

I wouldn't dismiss the majority of what is penis enlargement at present, but certainly things become stagnant.

Do you know of these devices that are shipped via Europe or UK?
 
I was thinking about this thread today and the whole long game theory. For me I’ve always made it a lifetime commitment that way there was never a time restraint on what I was doing. Letting go of time is a very good way to see growth much quicker. When we observe time it goes very slowly but when we are able to take that out of the equation we find that we are much better able to concentrate.
 
DLD said:
I was thinking about this thread today and the whole long game theory. For me I’ve always made it a lifetime commitment that way there was never a time restraint on what I was doing. Letting go of time is a very good way to see growth much quicker. When we observe time it goes very slowly but when we are able to take that out of the equation we find that we are much better able to concentrate.
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As we know there are many ways to enlarge our units. I have to say that not in million years I would adopt any lifelong approaches in anything but family and health. To be completely honest does it really sound healthy for concentrating in our dicks for decades?
 
REDZULU2003 said:
I partly agree with you.

That's because plenty of men gain using lots of different methods, exercises, routines, but, the turbo ignition to it, could very well be this ultrasound.

I gained from 6.6 x 5.4 erect to 8 x 7 currently and I used no ultrasound, but that doesn't mean I discount it, or would scoff my nose skyward.

So yes, I agree that this takes things further, more akin to adding a further string to the bow, but one that makes everything all the more potent.

I wouldn't dismiss the majority of what is penis enlargement at present, but certainly things become stagnant.

Do you know of these devices that are shipped via Europe or UK?
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Gainers do gain anyway. Non gainers do not. Majority of the present PE really do work with the former group.
What we can´t ignore is the fact that there is also the latter group. I am not saying there is a cure available but there is another possibility available at least.

I live in europe and I am waiting for the package to arrive any day now.
What I know most of these sellers found in ebay are sending to EU. Of course there are possibly some taxes to pay with customs.
 
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