New 20k PE device

I'm thinking out loud at the moment:

The cheapest and reliable low intensity shockwave therapy (LIST) you can grab for home usage is around $800. There is no upper limit. However, the LIST has its limitation of 1cm away from the focused tissue. Based on the unit's demonstration so far, the LIST is constant at 5cm away.

Now, do think about this for a moment. The tube is technically forcing your lateral tissues to break down and become elongate for the forced length session. The dynamic tugging is practically the same as the ADS on while walking, which I do for cycling, jogging, and running. The tension force at -17inHg, which is equivalent to around 8.3lbs of dynamic tension force every 10 to 15 seconds, with 5 seconds cycling. Ah hah! I was dead on when I told you guys about 7lbs of tension dynamic tension force while wearing the ADS, and no more than 10lbs.

Sorry to say, but this is not nuclear science. It's biological and physical sciences that MOS already employed, at a lower cost. However, the only new element is the cellular disturbance technology that had been long used by medical and therapeutic fields. No one has the cash to fork it out due the costs of the equipment. BUT, I believe the LIST machines are getting cheaper and cheaper now. I may be investing in one in the future.
Hi
Regarding the vibration part of it.
I recently saw that bathmade added new accesory called hydrovibe which you attach on the BM and it vibrates. Do you think they are trying to mimic that hack? Do you think it might be worth it?
Thx
 
Hi
Regarding the vibration part of it.
I recently saw that bathmade added new accesory called hydrovibe which you attach on the BM and it vibrates. Do you think they are trying to mimic that hack? Do you think it might be worth it?
Thx
The Hydrovibe is merely to stimulate orgasms, not cellular breakdown. It's something like a vibrator for the ladies for their clitoris. Adding that to the Bathmate, they simply adding a new element of a vibrator into or onto a water toy.

If you want something of a LIST device for the Bathmate, you better be ready to incorporate high frequency modulating device that looks like a 4inx4in block of wood siting next to the Bathmate to fire a sufficient frequency level to go through both plastic and water media. A LIST device don't have that kind of power for the Bathmate. It looks like this:

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.most of those people paying such higher fees of 20k don't have any willingness to do PE. They want instant miracle gains lol
I do not understand the benefit of this expensive machine.
Using LENGTHMASTER 3 for 1 year will get you to your dream size. If not just use it for 2 years and you will for sure be there.
Using LENGTHMASTER 3 has a learning curve to it, but when you have optimized everything, you can gain length and width really fast (in relation to other methods).
 
I do not understand the benefit of this expensive machine.
Using LengthMaster 3 for 1 year will get you to your dream size. If not just use it for 2 years and you will for sure be there.
Using LengthMaster 3 has a learning curve to it, but when you have optimized everything, you can gain length and width really fast (in relation to other methods).
I don't think the problem is length here but girth.
Having a machine do the girth for you, truth is, is amazing, if it is real. But with 20k you can buy a car. It's too much money. So, you think the benefits, and you decide, always backed up by scientific evidence but by people too.

For example, 5x5x3 is known by everyone here to give results with scientific evidence, and we have images of people's penises before and after.
With this machine...we have nothing. Everything is anonymous, which is somehow strange if the machine is actual good.
Also, you "rent" the machine and you dont buy it. C'mon ;) it is so LOL this thing, close the thread :p it has no meaning. Really.
 
I do not understand the benefit of this expensive machine.
Using LengthMaster 3 for 1 year will get you to your dream size. If not just use it for 2 years and you will for sure be there.
Using LengthMaster 3 has a learning curve to it, but when you have optimized everything, you can gain length and width really fast (in relation to other methods).

Length Master for life.
 
Hi
Regarding the vibration part of it.
I recently saw that bathmade added new accesory called hydrovibe which you attach on the BM and it vibrates. Do you think they are trying to mimic that hack? Do you think it might be worth it?
Thx
In regards to vibration for breaking down collagen I’ve made something like this to emulate the Phalback machine.
 

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In regards to vibration for breaking down collagen I’ve made something like this to emulate the Phalback machine.
That is some serious modification! I occasionally slip a vibrating C-ring over my cylinder to help stay erect and for a change up in experience, but I dont think it has any effect other than stimulation.

Are you experiencing improved results with your mods?
 
In regards to vibration for breaking down collagen I’ve made something like this to emulate the Phalback machine.
I remember that motor. That used to be in one my my massaging chairs. Great implement method. Just be careful as the vibration may cause thin plexiglass wall to have micro fractures over time.

Unfortunately, breaking collagen bonds either requires direct force or ultrasonic vibration, minimum at 40Mhz (ultrasonic application is between 35 to 50 MHz). Most effective range is around 44 MHz. I can understand the application of the motor at 3,500 RPM to provide mechanical bases frequency to meet the shockwave application device specs. But the bad news is, it take 40MHz at minimum, and by translation that to RPM, that's 2.4 billions RPM is required.

However, that is one intense vibrator.
 
I remember that motor. That used to be in one my my massaging chairs. Great implement method. Just be careful as the vibration may cause thin plexiglass wall to have micro fractures over time.

Unfortunately, breaking collagen bonds either requires direct force or ultrasonic vibration, minimum at 40Mhz (ultrasonic application is between 35 to 50 MHz). Most effective range is around 44 MHz. I can understand the application of the motor at 3,500 RPM to provide mechanical bases frequency to meet the shockwave application device specs. But the bad news is, it take 40MHz at minimum, and by translation that to RPM, that's 2.4 billions RPM is required.

However, that is one intense vibrator.
Can this phalback be replicated
 
Yes it can be replicated, duplicated, and further modified. However, someone with the knowledge program engineering must take control. Assembling the hardware is easy. Even an idiot like me can do it. But to assemble together a universal system interface will require the knowledge to assemble a specific motherboard, components to connect the various parts, and program the controllers from the ground up. I shown this device to a colleague of mine specialized in custome automotive and medical equipment research and developments, and he said the assembly did come from someone specialized in medical equipment research and development team. It should have take the person at least 4 years to develop it, with connection to distributors of medical parts.
 
Yes it can be replicated, duplicated, and further modified. However, someone with the knowledge program engineering must take control. Assembling the hardware is easy. Even an idiot like me can do it. But to assemble together a universal system interface will require the knowledge to assemble a specific motherboard, components to connect the various parts, and program the controllers from the ground up. I shown this device to a colleague of mine specialized in custome automotive and medical equipment research and developments, and he said the assembly did come from someone specialized in medical equipment research and development team. It should have take the person at least 4 years to develop it, with connection to distributors of medical parts.
If there is a way I know the brotherhood can find it
 
That is some serious modification! I occasionally slip a vibrating C-ring over my cylinder to help stay erect and for a change up in experience, but I dont think it has any effect other than stimulation.

Are you experiencing improved results with your mods?
So far yes I’ve made an in pump PR with just one day of use but maybe that was just luck. I’ll report back in a week or so


*** Someone else using it on an extension device

 
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Found what you are looking for. Extracorporeal Shockwave Therapy Machine.

The plate type used by the Phalback is a strip down of commercial broad transmitter that costs around $3200. The smaller ones that you can use at home to break and promote new collagen bonds is much cheaper, at $300 and all the way up to $2400. These smaller devices can do both isolation spots or broad spotting. The programming for the device at Elation is closely mirroring the one from Phalback. Oooo..I wonder who provided the programming to who.

Well, I spoke too soon. There are two components to this. One is the EST and the other is the LIST. The components use dual approach, where during the 5 minutes cycling when doing the extension/elongation, the LIST fires up to break the collagen. The EST fires up for 2 minutes during relaxing cycling to promote healing. It's a constant craziness.

By the way, the machine does indeed break down the acrylic tubing. There is a new cylinder being replaced for each person. My colleagues at the universities pointed out about micro fractures in the cylinder after 10 usage cycles. After so many cycles, the cylinder can be very brittle. Something to think about when using this on and through the cylinder's wall.
 
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