do any of you have this? me and the wife have been openly talking about this and are ok for the other to do this if we want. i have found one friend that i would like to also have this kinda relationship with. how do you go about bringing something like that up? we joke around a bit about sexual things, but thats as far as it goes. i havent even tried to go further, but how do you say what you need without risk of killing everything??