5x5x3 + LM bundled stretches

92tmorgan said:
Curious, If these two were done daily (LM 2x daily) would there be an increase in length than just doing the LM bundled stretches alone? Anyone ever do these both together and see better results with length than just sticking to LengthMaster?
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My belief is that if you focus hard on lengthnastering for 1 year, you will grow longer then having girthwork included in that. You need to think about temporary expansion and skin soreness.

I could not do both. I was attaching to lenghtmaster 3 but got blisters due to temporary expansion. The temporary expansion last to long for me to be able to do lengmastering and girth at the same time. Maybe it will work better for you

But you also need some thickness. But you will also grow thicher with lengthnastering.

LengthMaster 3 - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging are superior in it's ability to delivering intense bundled stretches.

My suggestion is this: If you only want length and some thickness focus on only lengthmastering.

But if you want length and girth at the same time, do your best to optimize this perfectly so you can gain both length and girth at the same time. But as I said. Lengthmastering will provide thickness/width as well.

Lengthmastering = Using LengthMaster 3.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
My belief is that if you focus hard on lengthnastering for 1 year, you will grow longer then having girthwork included in that. You need to think about temporary expansion and skin soreness.

I could not do both. I was attaching to lenghtmaster 3 but got blisters due to temporary expansion. The temporary expansion last to long for me to be able to do lengmastering and girth at the same time. Maybe it will work better for you
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💯I can not do both. Focus on 40 mins LM bundled stretches first.
 
I know the brotherhood here has been doing this for a long long time, proven the methods to work for the handful that joined the endeavor here. At the same time, clinical studies for the successes in the past two decades provided the warning for the majority out there that counter the aggressive methods. I've done the early LM style bundle stretches in the past, maxing out at around 8 lbs of force pressure to successfully reach my desired length. But for those who gone above and beyond their goals, we need to document this to counter the clinical studies as well. It's brotherhood vs multiple clinical published articles. We have to keep records and compile for those who tried, and the ones that succeeded in reaching the goals, time span needed, and routines used. Is there a drop site, like a Google Drive, for data to be dumped into?

The reason why I brought this up is to guide the brothers either in a slow and safe method, or fast and aggressive, where both methods are meant to be non-contradictory to one another. I went with a combination of methods to gain fast during time abundancy, cement the growth during periods of time lacking, and slowly migrate up when needed.

Aggressive tactic is to push beyond the recommended ~2.5lbs (or 1200g) of safety limit in short burst stretches to obtain those micro-tears, then cement the tears into a permanent gain using long term traction/stretching/wrapping method in a passive or active approach. There are reports where damages also discouraged the aggressive methods by so many study groups that forced the other brothers to back off the aggressive approaches. This could also be for the purpose of promoting sales to the tools out there, or even a way to provide long term "hopeium" for additional add-on products.

I know for a fact that semi-aggressive bundle type stretches-hanging and long term active traction-ADS stretching yield tremendous results. I have logs going back as far as 2012 to prove it. But that's just me vs thousands to millions of brothers going through the journies of PE. We need to create gain/medical logs in a data dump location rather than being scattered among the posts.
 
oldandlively said:
I know the brotherhood here has been doing this for a long long time, proven the methods to work for the handful that joined the endeavor here. At the same time, clinical studies for the successes in the past two decades provided the warning for the majority out there that counter the aggressive methods. I've done the early LM style bundle stretches in the past, maxing out at around 8 lbs of force pressure to successfully reach my desired length. But for those who gone above and beyond their goals, we need to document this to counter the clinical studies as well. It's brotherhood vs multiple clinical published articles. We have to keep records and compile for those who tried, and the ones that succeeded in reaching the goals, time span needed, and routines used. Is there a drop site, like a Google Drive, for data to be dumped into?

The reason why I brought this up is to guide the brothers either in a slow and safe method, or fast and aggressive, where both methods are meant to be non-contradictory to one another. I went with a combination of methods to gain fast during time abundancy, cement the growth during periods of time lacking, and slowly migrate up when needed.

Aggressive tactic is to push beyond the recommended ~2.5lbs (or 1200g) of safety limit in short burst stretches to obtain those micro-tears, then cement the tears into a permanent gain using long term traction/stretching/wrapping method in a passive or active approach. There are reports where damages also discouraged the aggressive methods by so many study groups that forced the other brothers to back off the aggressive approaches. This could also be for the purpose of promoting sales to the tools out there, or even a way to provide long term "hopeium" for additional add-on products.

I know for a fact that semi-aggressive bundle type stretches-hanging and long term active traction-ADS stretching yield tremendous results. I have logs going back as far as 2012 to prove it. But that's just me vs thousands to millions of brothers going through the journies of PE. We need to create gain/medical logs in a data dump location rather than being scattered among the posts.
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It is an interesting idea, but I am not sure how useful that data would be. Guys change their routines all the time, experimenting between fast and aggressive methods and slow and safe methods. You would need to find many subjects who would be willing to stick to only one method for a very long period of time in order to compare results. The sample space would need to be large enough for the experiment have any validity. Probably in the hundreds, at least. Then, there's the issue of consistency: are the subjects taking days off, have they been set back by an injury, etc. All of these things, among others, would affect the results. Personally, I do not think people are that reliable nowadays, so although this is certainly an interesting idea, I am not sure how practical it actually is.

If we are only talking about extending, slow and steady wins the race. You work your way up to max tension as your body adapts to the stress. Generally speaking, more tension yields better results than less tension over an equal daily traction time, given a long enough time period. The same would apply for hanging. But then, there's the obvious fact that some guys have tougher tissues than others, in terms of thickness and collagenous strength. So there are just too many factors to consider here.

I like to view PE as more of an art form than a science. What works for one guy might not necessarily work for the other. For example, there are plenty of men out there who have gained more than I have via hanging. But through experimentation and a lot of hard work, I was able to find a way to realize my PE goals (almost there). The most important thing is to not give up... and if some method is not working after giving it a fair shot, then you would have to refine what you are doing by either adding something to it, or in some cases, abandoning it altogether in favor of some other technique or strategy. But the key ingredient, regardless of whatever PE method you are employing, is consistency. Without that, it simply doesn't work.
 
The idea is to create a standard baseline across the board. I changed my routine weekly based on time availability, needs for stresses and aggressive approach, or even based on lifestyle activities. But by creating that average workout routine, the comparable results, and create the means and outliers, we can definitively produce a powerful art form. Think about arts themselves. Each artist came up with a unique approach, but the materials and styles resemblance are practically the same with slight changes to create a neverending awe of results.

Just something to think about for the longer haul.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
My belief is that if you focus hard on lengthnastering for 1 year, you will grow longer then having girthwork included in that. You need to think about temporary expansion and skin soreness.

I could not do both. I was attaching to lenghtmaster 3 but got blisters due to temporary expansion. The temporary expansion last to long for me to be able to do lengmastering and girth at the same time. Maybe it will work better for you

But you also need some thickness. But you will also grow thicher with lengthnastering.

LengthMaster 3 are superior in it's ability to delivering intense bundled stretches.

My suggestion is this: If you only want length and some thickness focus on only lengthmastering.

But if you want length and girth at the same time, do your best to optimize this perfectly so you can gain both length and girth at the same time. But as I said. Lengthmastering will provide thickness/width as well.

Lengthmastering = Using LengthMaster 3.
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This makes sense. I’ve e read your progress thread on how the LengthMaster did for you on gaining length but I’m curious if you know how much girth you gained in the years time from doing bundled stretches with the LengthMaster?
 
92tmorgan said:
This makes sense. I’ve e read your progress thread on how the LengthMaster did for you on gaining length but I’m curious if you know how much girth you gained in the years time from doing bundled stretches with the LengthMaster?
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I don't measure girth anymore, I'm measuring my width only. Because this is the easiest way for me to see growth happening now.

I use this tool to measure my midshaft now.
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But for sure my penis got girthier, I needed to go up a size on the condom again. And this is not only because of the pumping I did now for some weeks.
Lengthmastering is the biggest reason to this.
 
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squirt_inducer_man said:
I don't measure girth anymore, I'm measuring my width only. Because this is the easiest way for me to see growth happening now.

I use this tool to measure my midshaft now.
View attachment 1835121

But for sure my penis got girthier, I needed to go up a size on the condom again. And this is not only because of the pumping I did now for some weeks.
Lengthmastering is the biggest reason to this.
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I never measured like that. I'm gonna try to do that today and see if there's a difference between the way I used to do it and the way you're doing it now. This could be a good or a bad thing
 
DLD said:
I never measured like that. I'm gonna try to do that today and see if there's a difference between the way I used to do it and the way you're doing it now. This could be a good or a bad thing
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But use a plastic one.
 
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