What comes after death?

I notice that there are a lot of people who post in the forums that have different opinions and beliefs. I'm curious as to what YOU expect after you die. Do you believe in a spiritual world or an "after life"? Not necessarily Heaven or Hell either.

I myself,dont exaxtly know.I do know that something happens with our souls.....as far as though i don know...I am also gonna state that I dont really belive any one bible...I do belive there is a god ,jesus n all that,I am not a atheist,I just belive that all the bibles seem to have some major flaws in them...I was also windering wich bible you guys seem to think carrys the most truth?

Well iam curious to what eevryone has to say.
 
Ask somebody that is old, Old people seem to have the most faith i would like to believe there is something after death.
 
Pandora said:
Ask somebody that is old, Old people seem to have the most faith i would like to believe there is something after death.

The reason gods have existed throughout time is because humans can comprehend there own mortality and that scares us,the older one gets the moreso.

Believing in an afterlife gives people the strength to deal with death and those left behind take comfort knowing there loved ones are not really rotting in the ground but safe and happy in a beautiful paradise looking down waiting for the day they will be reunited.
 
I don't think that anyone can say with any authority what happens to you when you die.

It is impossible to know but it's fun to try to work it out though. Personally the most likely occurance would be our consciousness rejoining the intrinsic consciousness of the universe. In other words our consciousness that we expeience noe is simply a reflection of the conscious state of the universe.

The main misunderstanding of what we really are appears when people attach their consciousness to themselves and believe that it is an aspect of them that is independant of everything else. In my opinion doing this is very much like thinking that the time that we experience is independant of any time experienced by other beings. As we can see time is a communal phenomenon as is the entirety of the space/time continuum. So consciousness is just another reflection of reality that is shown through us. It is an aspect or dimension of reality just as the 3 dimensions of space are and the dimension of time is. Our minds are simply reflecting this as a mirror reflects light.

But then again, I might be wrong but I can't wait to find out (or not). lol
 
prince Albert said:
The reason gods have existed throughout time is because humans can comprehend there own mortality and that scares us,the older one gets the moreso.

Believing in an afterlife gives people the strength to deal with death and those left behind take comfort knowing there loved ones are not really rotting in the ground but safe and happy in a beautiful paradise looking down waiting for the day they will be reunited.

Yes maybe so but you can not deny the fact that there may in fact be a paradise:) an after life reincarnation maybe we in fact get reborn in this world to form another generation you ever think its weird how you will learn something and feel like you all ready knew this maybe this is a sign of a past life.
 
Pandora said:
Yes maybe so but you can not deny the fact that there may in fact be a paradise:) an after life reincarnation maybe we in fact get reborn in this world to form another generation you ever think its weird how you will learn something and feel like you all ready knew this maybe this is a sign of a past life.

Well yes i can deny it Pan as its a man made idea.
 
Pandora said:
Yeah but you can not prove that you are right or i am wrong prince.

Just because you cant prove something wrong doesnt mean that its a good argument.. Its like saying that all the planets that we cant see because theyre too far away are made of ice cream- thats just what I believe... You cant prove its not true, but its most certainly not.. bad example i know, but im hungry..

Your gonna end up worm food, deal with it
 
prince Albert said:
Nothing happens,you die rot thats it.

My thoughts exactly. On which bible I like, I don't think you should have placed the word "truth" in the same sentence as "bible." But if you are talking about which bible I prefer reading, I'd have to go with the NIV.
 
prince Albert said:
Well yes i can deny it Pan as its a man made idea.

Well isn't every idea that we, as the human race, have ever had a man made one?

Are you getting your ideas straight from a UFO or something? lol

Sorry couldn't resist, no disrespect. I kind of get where you are coming from though about some people believing strange and illogical things on account of it coming from a higher power. To count this out we must have a very good and detailed understanding of who and what we are as human beings. A scientific approach a few decades ago would have been extremely reductionist and said that what we are is 4 dimensional matter and that's it. But now we know, through quantum mechanics, that we are in fact members of a much more complicated reality than previously understood. String theory predicts the existence of 13 + dimensions existing here and now.

Traditional mysticism has been aware of a transcendental aspect to our being that scientists ignored up until the discovery of string theory. I used to believe that when we die that's it and everything stops but since I have studied physics, mysticism, philosphy, etc, over the past few years I have become aware what I believe to be a much clearer view of who and what we are through the application of logic and reasoning. Many logical thinkers debunk religion on the grounds of being illogical in many ways. I agree with this. For instance having faith in God is unbelievably illogical. I think the best, and possibly the only way to form an opinion on whether God exists is through experience. The flawed reasoning behind it for many is that our reasoning skills as humans are inadequate in terms of understanding things and therefore we should simply blindly follow what some 'higher realized' text tells us. The pretty obvious problem with this is that anyone that comes to this conclusion has used their reasoning skills to get them there. There is no other way to come to any conclusion. And if their reasoning skills are flawed then they are totally wrong in their reasoning that their reasoning is flawed. In other, hopefully more simple, words they use their reasoning to decide that their reasoning is flawed. lol

I believe that the only way to really get it in terms of God is through experience. Without going off the deep end here too much by talking about the evolution of consciousness, we should at the very least be open to whatever may be. Closing off our minds (and I mean that neurogolically) is a barrier to higher realization. The more of our brain that is functioning at any time the more of a full cross section of reality we experience. We must understand that our bodies are not us, they are just a metaphorical mirror
of reality or a material manifestation of us. It would take me so long to explain any tiny little aspect of my opinions on this so I'll sumerise. The reason that I will not explain in full is that without certain experiences it would be impossible to understand through words (and I don't want to get started about linguistics and how they effect our understanding of reality).

Basically I believe that we are everything. The barriers that we put around ourselves are nothing but self created conceptual differentiations. Just as we continue to exist in the dimensions of matter and time when we die, * so do we in terms of consciousness. The only difference is that we would not ourselves in the deluded terms by which we define ourselves now.

* In terms of chemicals, etc. Our physical self can never cease to exist it can only be transformed from one thing to another. The same seems to be true of every aspect of ourselves including our consciousness. We simply rejoin the universe in a less defined way. In other words the only thing that changes is the way in which we define ourselves.
 
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TomdW said:
* In terms of chemicals, etc. Our physical self can never cease to exist it can only be transformed from one thing to another. The same seems to be true of every aspect of ourselves including our consciousness. We simply rejoin the universe in a less defined way. In other words the only thing that changes is the way in which we define ourselves.

I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.
 
More Meat said:
Just because you cant prove something wrong doesnt mean that its a good argument.. Its like saying that all the planets that we cant see because theyre too far away are made of ice cream- thats just what I believe... You cant prove its not true, but its most certainly not.. bad example i know, but im hungry..

Your gonna end up worm food, deal with it

What you going on about your not making sense and it is a good argument and none of us will know this until we are dead and even then we can't report back.

I will not accept that when i die that, that is it you can't get rid of me i will never die i will all ways live on one way or the other.

And your making it seem stupid when death is a serious matter.
 
Kal-el said:
I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.

Good, I'm glad that you agree with me on this. In a material sense we will never be truely dead. Can you also agree with me that we will continue to live on in time, if only in a material sense?

Hopefully you can. Then following this can you agree with me that the general pattern of existence is not of begining and end but of transformation and of cause and effect?

An example of this is energy transfer of any kind i.e. potential gravitational energy into kinetic energy.

I would make this concept a bit broader in order to include natural cycles by labeling the general nature of the universe to be that of cause and effect. I.e. you move something and it moves. This is now broad enough to include natural cycles such as day and night, wake and sleep, cycles of sun spots (magnetic fields), breathing in and out, male and female, positive and negative polarities, etc.

What this is all leading to an attempt to comunicate something very profound. I am sure that we all agree that we should choose what seems to be the most likely belief. I think it is logical to base any conclusions on evidence in the world around us. In my lifetime I have never seen nothing come from something or something come from nothing. I therefore believe it to be a logical impossibility. And since there is something here, be it at least the concept of us, there could logically never have been nothing.

Finally, can you agree with me that it would appear that even the conscious aspects of ourselves will not cease entirely when we die but are more likely to just change? The same as our physical manifestation does. The cause and effect nature of the universe is apparent within every realm of reality.

It is important for any vague understanding of this to see consciousness as a physical thing. Again logic can help here. Have you ever seen a thought? Not the physical representation of a thought but actually seen a thought? Can you put your consciousness in a box? Not your physical brain but you actual consciousness. It is impossible and that is because consciousness, although closely related and intertwined with physical matter, is not a physical object.

I don't believe that any aspect of us truely ceases when we die, it merely changes. That is not to say that we will die and then be able to think 'Oh no, I'm dead.' because the consciousness that we are used to as us will no longer be so. It will return to the intrinsic, boundaryless consciousness of reality. Bit deep there.
 
Kal-el said:
I agree with this. "To dust you are and to dust you will return". I think when we die, sure we're roadkill, but we never lose our chemicals, at the time of death, everything we're made up of just disperses into the earth, losing all of it's unique properties.

Oh, also, I very much like what you said here: 'losing all of it's unique properties.'

That has put something into words that I have been feeling. Let me just define it a bit. Losing all of the unique qualities that we use to define us as who we are.

In other words each part of us be it material, conscious, etc, changes into that which we do not define as ourselves. That is a very important point I think because it shows that although no part of us ceases to be, they are still not constructed in a way that we would define as us. So in a sense we do cease to be but only in the configuration that we are accustomed to.
 
I, MAXAMEYES will come after death, because I fully expect to get laid in the afterlife !

Actually, I truly believe that we're all spiritual beings sharing a human experience. So, just like here on pebble #3 I'll experience just what I signed up to experience. And, unfortunately, I just can't remember what that was right about now.

I'll get back to y'all.
 
Pandora said:
What you going on about your not making sense and it is a good argument and none of us will know this until we are dead and even then we can't report back.

I will not accept that when i die that, that is it you can't get rid of me i will never die i will all ways live on one way or the other.

And your making it seem stupid when death is a serious matter.

Exactly, you dont want to believe it.. so go ahead and believe a fairy tale.

or

Go kill yourself and tell us what happens..
 
TomdW said:
Good, I'm glad that you agree with me on this. In a material sense we will never be truely dead. Can you also agree with me that we will continue to live on in time, if only in a material sense?

Sure. Time is inversely proportional to the mass of an object. Let's use an ant for an example. A day is 24 hours to us, but an ant which is infinitely smaller, a day for them could be like 4 or 5 minutes to us?


Hopefully you can. Then following this can you agree with me that the general pattern of existence is not of begining and end but of transformation and of cause and effect?

An example of this is energy transfer of any kind i.e. potential gravitational energy into kinetic energy.

I would make this concept a bit broader in order to include natural cycles by labeling the general nature of the universe to be that of cause and effect. I.e. you move something and it moves. This is now broad enough to include natural cycles such as day and night, wake and sleep, cycles of sun spots (magnetic fields), breathing in and out, male and female, positive and negative polarities, etc.

What this is all leading to an attempt to comunicate something very profound. I am sure that we all agree that we should choose what seems to be the most likely belief. I think it is logical to base any conclusions on evidence in the world around us. In my lifetime I have never seen nothing come from something or something come from nothing. I therefore believe it to be a logical impossibility. And since there is something here, be it at least the concept of us, there could logically never have been nothing.

I follow you here. It's so true that something cannot come from nothing. Nothing can bring itself into existence, it has to depend on something for it's existence.

Finally, can you agree with me that it would appear that even the conscious aspects of ourselves will not cease entirely when we die but are more likely to just change? The same as our physical manifestation does. The cause and effect nature of the universe is apparent within every realm of reality.

I don't know if I'll jump on board with an agreement, but it is a certainly interesting hypothesis.


I don't believe that any aspect of us truely ceases when we die, it merely changes. That is not to say that we will die and then be able to think 'Oh no, I'm dead.' because the consciousness that we are used to as us will no longer be so. It will return to the intrinsic, boundaryless consciousness of reality. Bit deep there.

Tom, where did you learn all this from, if I may ask? That's a very interesting explanation, it makes alot more sense then a blissfull afterlife.

In other words each part of us be it material, conscious, etc, changes into that which we do not define as ourselves. That is a very important point I think because it shows that although no part of us ceases to be, they are still not constructed in a way that we would define as us. So in a sense we do cease to be but only in the configuration that we are accustomed to.

Exactly. I think you hit the nail right on the head. I just think when we are no longer alive, the cells that we are composed on never completely cease to exist, just scatter into the atmosphere. But our consiocusness? I don't know about that one? I don't know, but you present an interesting point of view.
 
More Meat said:
Exactly, you dont want to believe it.. so go ahead and believe a fairy tale.

or

Go kill yourself and tell us what happens..

Why don't you go eat some ice cream and look and count how many ice cream planet's you can see through your telescope.

Yeah i love u too More Meat lol
 
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My outlook is similar to Tom's--we simply change (are transformed) as we join a greater intelligence. Heaven and hell are right here on Earth, as far as I'm concerned. I know we're so limited by human terms: nothing, something, beginning, end, etc. The great chain of being is so beyond our feable explanations and our limited conceptual resources. I do know one thing: Our very existence is a miracle.

God said to Moses: "I am that I am." (Why bother asking the question to begin with?) There is no answer--just as there is no beginning and there is no end.

No answer? Yes!! No answerl!! Ahhhh, yes!!! I feel such relief!!!!
 
goinfor11x7 said:
God said to Moses: "I am that I am." (Why bother asking the question to begin with?) There is no answer--just as there is no beginning and there is no end.

No answer? Yes!! No answerl!! Ahhhh, yes!!! I feel such relief!!!!

That's very interesting. I came across some OLD Buddhist text that said 'The very act of asking or raising a question brings into existence the need for an answer.'

But still I very much enjoy debating and thinking about THIS. It just seems so very weird to me that we exist and that we know that we do. It does not matter how far you go to understanding the way things work it is still baffling that anything exists at all. I mean, what is this all about?

Many schools of thought think that getting in tune with nature is the correct route to happiness. I can see how this could be true. They propose that nature asks no questions. It simply IS. So the way to tune in to balance and harmony with nature is to just BE. To simply experience and be aware of yourself. Very much like a certain type of meditation.

I believe that a balanced way of being is to meditate on awareness or in other words simply be but be aware of yourself at all times. Then at other times question everything. Never simply accept what some book tells you or what some person tells you. THINK, THINK and THINK some more. This is what has led me to many of my conclusions so far. I have a natural tendancy to question everything, to think about things in my own way for very long periods of time. It's just how I am and I've done it since I was a child.

I also think that reading or listening to speaches is important and has gone a long way to show me many different ways of interpreting reality. But what it comes down to is participating in the act of thinking about everything for a long time.

I find that many people have never really considered reality at all which to me seems pretty insane. Some think about it for a small amount of time and then say 'I'm an atheist.' or 'I'm a Christian.' but this is not based on very much thought. Also many people will just absorb what a book says and not have to think about it for themselves. We are here so it would seem logical to try to work out the nature of reality but many people (Watermelon heads) simply become totally absorbed in the culture of the time and never dare to go beyond and really ask the big questions. These people often become uncomfortable when you throw a big question at them and are usually totally unequiped to deal with it. They are, in a word, scared, of what may be so they never delve into it.

I think it is a real blessing to have a mind that thinks for itself all of the time. I do come across people and philosphers that I will agree with on a few points and sometimes I'll agree with everything that they say but only because I've thought about it myself and have come to the same conclusion as them.

Kal-el you asked me where I got this information from. It's a combination of things. Reading, listening and thinking but more of the latter. I listen to speaches on the nature of reality every night and I read philosophy, mysticism, physics, etc during the day. But the most important thing is just thinking about it for yourself which it seems to me that you do. That is the most important thing of all. Having a logical and inquisitive mind are the main necessities for progress. It is a life long quest for me. I spend hours researching and just thinking over different solutions to any given problem. Wanting to know is what it is all about. Then you will find ways of working it out. The more you want to know, the greater effort you will go toward finding out. I enjoy the journey very much so in that sense it is very worth while. Also my quest has led me into some pretty amazing, ineffable, inexplicable states of mind.

Some of the knowledge I've come across has been pretty well guarded for a long time. Only being given to the highest members of secret societies. As a rule, the more difficult to grasp or find the knowledge is the more usefull it is.
I won't just show you where to find it because if you are ready and if you are to a point of psychological development where you are ready to absorb and understand the more subtle information then it'll come to you on it's own, which it seems to be doing.

The fact that you agree with me on some of my logical statements shows that you are partaking in some form of discovery and as I said before, that is the most important thing. You see I make posts like the ones past in this thread and very few people probably understood what I was saying. That is because it takes a certain amount of development to understand such concepts. If you are to a level where you can process the more complicated ideas then chances are it would come to you on your own anyway. The way to move up the levels of capability of understanding more and more complicated concepts is to think. To think for yourself. An understanding of many of the things that I hold as truth depends apon an understanding of some easier to grasp aspects of the nature of reality. Like a foundation on which to build. That is why many people miss the point because you cannot skip any stage of the development. Without the foundational knowledge there can be no understanding of the really important stuff. You can lead people through a series of logical statements to attempt to take them to a point that is hopefully beyond their usual way of thinking but aftreward they will usually return to where they started. The more time you spend pushing your boundaries the further you will go.
 
We and all around us, the very chemicals that we are made of came from Stars like our Sun and that's what we shall all become in the end folks. Grab joyce in knowing the fact that we one day will be part of the molecules that compose the Universe. We will drift in space void in many possible ways, shapes and forms. We will be part of the chemicals that will be reorganized to make new Stars, nem Planets, new galaxies and new all that is out there. Not in a spiritual way, but in a chemical way. Remember, energy does not come out of nothingness, all is transformed, mass to energy, energy to mass and all over again. We are mass that was once energy, we will be that energy again and mass again. You do not add to the Universe, you are only part of it's inner molecular constitution on a Human scale. We are Star stuff, complex chains of molecules that got organized, amino-acids, atoms, quarks, etc etc etc. We evolved physically AND mentaly but that's because we have gone from simple elements from the periodic table, to complex molecules, to organized DNA, thus we have neurons in our brains that use electricity to comunicate. This electricity comes from food that is the same as us, Star stuff. Endless cycle, nothing gets lost, nothing is added or subtracted, all is merely transformed.

After life is a relief for many but is no more than a Human concept with no sound science or proof whatsoever. It does help many to cope with the UNKNOWN and that is a good purpose in my humble opinion.

Don't be sad, be STARS AND PLANETS.

Peace

Mike

P.s I also fully expect to get laid plenty when i "come back" mhuuuaaaa mhuuaa muuuhaaaa mhuauhhahahahah. rofl
 
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Pandora said:
I, PANDORA

Fully expect to grow wings and fly to the moon.

C'mon man, don't go there, there's no chick around ANYWHERE, not even on the dark side where one would expect to find lunatic sluts. :D

None whatsoever mate, you'll have to take some with you, along with the MAX VAC and the modified [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] lol
 
8InchMIKE said:
C'mon man, don't go there, there's no chick around ANYWHERE, not even on the dark side where one would expect to find lunatic sluts. :D

None whatsoever mate, you'll have to take some with you, along with the MAX VAC and the modified [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] lol

Hmm yes but i will be taking the Bib too wish me luck:) and what ever else i have in my tool box.

Im sure there is some sexy aliens there for me.


 
man that first alien has a dick on her ???!!! It's just pixel out but it's there and it is HUGE so beware of those kind of aliens mate :D
 
8InchMIKE said:
man that first alien has a dick on her ???!!! It's just pixel out but it's there and it is HUGE so beware of those kind of aliens mate :D

Oh shit lol my Bad i did not see that:D i guess im a start a runing hehheeh:D
 
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