Here is the link, I think my goal is not measure until six months in I been on a program consistently since November I don't plan to measure until May this year . My biggest was 8 inches almost 7 in girth , I never measured after that but I am sure Iost size when I went to a lazy program and gained
weight . My thing is figuring out should I include equipment or supplements (the ones I have or keep it 100 percent manual)? I intial 2 inches can from just manuals but like I said I lost some of that when I started training lazy etc etc . my goal is permenant growth and my questioning is around is it better to focus just on manual or use all the extra stuff
Well done by the way
To use equipment or not to use equipment ... you certainly can make gains manually, as you know.
The caveat is that with most users it only gets them so far, in that you need to be extremely dedicated, determined, and motivated to keep with manual work. Its not easy, done it myself when I started back in 2001, and it can get very repetitive, and boring.
Equipment such as pumps, extenders, ADS, sleeves, hangers will take it to another level for you, in fact the
lengthmaster can do the manual work with much more intensity, not to mention the 'A' stretch blasters like never before.
Pumping is permanent, if its done correctly, and combined with other methods it works very well.
Hanging weights gives you another area you cannot train by hand, with
weight hanging from your penis.
Extenders and ADS hold your penis in a stretched state for an amount of time you could not replicate in the flesh.
So, although manuals work, they have a shelf life, and most PE'ers will have at least one device they use these days.
I think as you like manuals, the device for you would be the
lengthmaster, because it was designed with that person in mind, and doubles up as a compression
hanger for
weights.
Also, as you were lazy in the past, it may be beneficial to purchase an extender like the
SizeDoctor, as you can simply put that on, get it at the level of torsion needed, and leave it be.