REDZULU2003
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:bottumsup :bottumsup :bottumsupWonder if they really caught the man himself... or yet another one of his body doubles...? Well, the DNA tests seem to be indicating that he is the real thing, so I dunno if that leaves any room for doubt...
If they indeed caught the right guy, then I'm glad. I don't support the war, or president Bush by any means, but one less dictator in the world is always a positive thing! I hope they give him the harshest possible sentence under Iraq law (if that's where he'll be trialed), which is probably something like:
''First, we brake every bone in his body. Then, we hang him upside down from a meathook and stuff his mouth full of dusty rags, and wait for him to either suffocate or bleed to death. After that, we cut his infidel corpse up into small pieces, fry those pieces in the incinerator and spread his ashes into the red sea!!''
Something along those lines anyway... as they did with this serial child killer about a year ago. Nothing beats the age old 'eye-for-an-eye' principle... :fight:
If they indeed caught the right guy, then I'm glad. I don't support the war, or president Bush by any means, but one less dictator in the world is always a positive thing! I hope they give him the harshest possible sentence under Iraq law (if that's where he'll be trialed), which is probably something like:
''First, we brake every bone in his body. Then, we hang him upside down from a meathook and stuff his mouth full of dusty rags, and wait for him to either suffocate or bleed to death. After that, we cut his infidel corpse up into small pieces, fry those pieces in the incinerator and spread his ashes into the red sea!!''
Something along those lines anyway... as they did with this serial child killer about a year ago. Nothing beats the age old 'eye-for-an-eye' principle... :fight:
No its definatley Saddam, they did some DNA tests just to confirm. Hopefully he will be sentenced to death by the Iraqi National Counsel.
Unfortunatley the war is no where near over. In fact, the president himself even said that the car bombs and etc. will probably increase and more troops will die. Actually one died this morning while he was trying to diffuse a bomb when it blew up.
But thank god we found him. But now for the real culprit, lets find and execute Osama!
Unfortunatley the war is no where near over. In fact, the president himself even said that the car bombs and etc. will probably increase and more troops will die. Actually one died this morning while he was trying to diffuse a bomb when it blew up.
But thank god we found him. But now for the real culprit, lets find and execute Osama!
Note to self: don't get on Shafty's bad side. :s
As for the capture of Saddam...it was only a matter of time before he'd run out of places to hide. I'm glad that we caught him, but I really don't see him aiding us in the capture of Bin Laden...maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I just can't see it happening.
If he doesn't agree to help us, then I think he should be a punisHydromaxent along the lines of the one that Shafty suggested.
No need to worry. I'm pretty certain he will get the death penalty. If not by the Iraqi's or the Iranians then by the US.
The only scenario I could see him living, is if he somehow gave us some insanely good intel, but thats not likely. We'll get some good info out of him, but probably not the kind of thing that would win the war.
The only scenario I could see him living, is if he somehow gave us some insanely good intel, but thats not likely. We'll get some good info out of him, but probably not the kind of thing that would win the war.
Dont forget that Saddam used to be America's ally. I even saw a pic of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hand with Hussein in 1983.
We funded and armed him and helped him get all power. But then he went a little power-crazy and he invaded Kuwait which threatened our real "allies", the Suadi Arabians. So its was time to punish the dog for biting the hand that feeds him.
We even encouraged American Corporations to do business with him. We even gave him some satellite images so he could locate some Iranian troops. And when he got our intel, he of course gassed the Iranian troops. Because at the time the Iranians were the "enemy".
He then later gassed the Kurds, and Congress proposed economic sanctions w/ Iraq to stop it, but it was turned down by the Reagen White House.
And if he does have WMD, its because we gave him the financial and business hook-up.
We funded and armed him and helped him get all power. But then he went a little power-crazy and he invaded Kuwait which threatened our real "allies", the Suadi Arabians. So its was time to punish the dog for biting the hand that feeds him.
We even encouraged American Corporations to do business with him. We even gave him some satellite images so he could locate some Iranian troops. And when he got our intel, he of course gassed the Iranian troops. Because at the time the Iranians were the "enemy".
He then later gassed the Kurds, and Congress proposed economic sanctions w/ Iraq to stop it, but it was turned down by the Reagen White House.
And if he does have WMD, its because we gave him the financial and business hook-up.
As true as all of the that is NeXus, you can't really levy all of the blame on the government. Granted they could have removed Saddam at the first hint of questionable actions on his part, but we as Americans are always willing to give people a second chance (a sign of weakness if you ask me).
At the time that we aided and funded Saddam he was a very essential ally for America. However, as is often the case (i.e. Fidel Castro), the people we think are willing and deserving of power turn out to be very much undeserving.
There's no way that anyone could have predicted Saddam would turn out to be a psychopathic nut case, short of calling up Miss Cleo. It's all too easy to point fingers and lay the blame on the government now in retrospect of the events that have occurred, but at the time that Saddam gained his power he was an essential ally.
At the time that we aided and funded Saddam he was a very essential ally for America. However, as is often the case (i.e. Fidel Castro), the people we think are willing and deserving of power turn out to be very much undeserving.
There's no way that anyone could have predicted Saddam would turn out to be a psychopathic nut case, short of calling up Miss Cleo. It's all too easy to point fingers and lay the blame on the government now in retrospect of the events that have occurred, but at the time that Saddam gained his power he was an essential ally.
I think he'll escape and hide in America at my local 7-11 and never be found again. If he does, I will eye up that old dude who sells me the lottery tickets.
That could be a double chance of hitting the lottery. Getting the right numbers and then ratting him out for another 25 million plus.
Saddam is like the old drinking buddy who fucks your chances with some young drunk hottie. Bastard! You treat him cool and he gets beer miscles and ruins the evening for everyone.
That could be a double chance of hitting the lottery. Getting the right numbers and then ratting him out for another 25 million plus.
Saddam is like the old drinking buddy who fucks your chances with some young drunk hottie. Bastard! You treat him cool and he gets beer miscles and ruins the evening for everyone.
France, Germany and Russia all dealt extensively with Iraq, opposed any meaningful restraints on Saddam's internal rule, yet are considered to be liberal saints -- their dealings with Saddam not criticized, but praised.
On the other hand, liberals hate the US for trading with Saddam and hate the US for ending his reign of terror.
I think some people just hate the US no matter what.
Well, ya know what I hate? I hate it when people like you stereotype people and paint us all with the brush. Who the hell are you to question my patriotism? Im more patriotic than you because Im trying to take a stand against these people who are taking advantage of my country.
Who said Germany and France are liberal saints? All you do is make a general statement that you think is true, and agrue against it.
The US loved Saddam. We funded and armed him. Until he invaded the dictatorship of Kuwait and, in doing so, did the worst thing imaginable -- he threatened an even BETTER friend of ours: the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, and its vast oil reserves. The Bushes and the Saudi royal family were and are close business partners.
Bush is such a lucky guy. As soon as the Halliburton scandal started to be uncovered, we find Saddam. Hey kinda like Enron. And wouldnt he be so lucky, that just a couple of months before the presidential election, we suddenly find Osama Bin Laden! Well that would ensure a victory!
Oh, I was only kidding about that scandal stuff. But if it does happen, I want you all to say, Nexus called it!
Im thrilled that Saddam is gone, but thats not why we went into Iraq. I think that we need to concentrate on Al-Queda and Osama, instead of putting half of our entire Army into Iraq. We lost the war in Afghanistan. The Taliban are alive and at large. The person responsible for 9/11 is still free.
Who said Germany and France are liberal saints? All you do is make a general statement that you think is true, and agrue against it.
The US loved Saddam. We funded and armed him. Until he invaded the dictatorship of Kuwait and, in doing so, did the worst thing imaginable -- he threatened an even BETTER friend of ours: the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, and its vast oil reserves. The Bushes and the Saudi royal family were and are close business partners.
Bush is such a lucky guy. As soon as the Halliburton scandal started to be uncovered, we find Saddam. Hey kinda like Enron. And wouldnt he be so lucky, that just a couple of months before the presidential election, we suddenly find Osama Bin Laden! Well that would ensure a victory!
Oh, I was only kidding about that scandal stuff. But if it does happen, I want you all to say, Nexus called it!
Im thrilled that Saddam is gone, but thats not why we went into Iraq. I think that we need to concentrate on Al-Queda and Osama, instead of putting half of our entire Army into Iraq. We lost the war in Afghanistan. The Taliban are alive and at large. The person responsible for 9/11 is still free.
Nexus, as you pointed out, we allied ourselves with Iraq during the 80's because Iran was (and still is) the enemy. At the time, Iraq, while not great, was a better proposition than Iran. We needed a hedge in the MidEast to prevent Iran from becoming a larger political force in the area, lest muslims become even more hell-bent on the West's destruction than they already are. There was no "love affair" with Iraq. They were simply a sufficient proxy instead of us having to send our own people over to fight and die.
Cite, please.
Cite, please.
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I love everything about it. I love the freedom of speech to tell you that your wrong. And if the Right had its way, we'd be like Iraq, you would get severely punished if you spoke or rallied against the President.
wants 9,
Since I dont have LexisNexis, I cant dig through the archives and post the links. So I'll just tell you the articles and if you still dont believe me, you can dig up the articles yourself.
"Bin Laden releatives have ties to Texas," Austin American-Statesman, November 9, 2001 by Mike Ward.
"Bin Laden family, with deep wester ties, strives to re-establish a name," The New York Times, October 28, 2001 by Michael Moss.
"Bin Laden brother ran business, was well-liked in Central Texas," San Antonio Express-News, August 22, 1998.
In a couple a days, I'm gonna post a new thread about the new findings of the 9/11 investigation commission. In a nutshell, they found out that the administration and FBI and CIA could have prevented the attack with the information they had.
wants 9,
Since I dont have LexisNexis, I cant dig through the archives and post the links. So I'll just tell you the articles and if you still dont believe me, you can dig up the articles yourself.
"Bin Laden releatives have ties to Texas," Austin American-Statesman, November 9, 2001 by Mike Ward.
"Bin Laden family, with deep wester ties, strives to re-establish a name," The New York Times, October 28, 2001 by Michael Moss.
"Bin Laden brother ran business, was well-liked in Central Texas," San Antonio Express-News, August 22, 1998.
In a couple a days, I'm gonna post a new thread about the new findings of the 9/11 investigation commission. In a nutshell, they found out that the administration and FBI and CIA could have prevented the attack with the information they had.
I sure hope that's a joke...
It seems like democrats can never give the president credit. The president, America, Iraq, and freedom in general gets a huge victory with the capture of Saddam, why do you have to dumb it down and give no credit to the administration by saying "IT MEANS NOTHING! WE DON'T HAVE OSAMA!" I mean, you can church it up by saying stuff like, "But thank god we found him. But now for the real culprit, lets find and execute Osama!" I agree with that, but it seems like your real intent is to disfuse from the victory of catching Saddam.
Even that gasoline shortage we had back in the seventies was the fault of the Jews and Israel... back when OPenis EnlargementC was formed... Israel's fault.
No one dares to say it in the media, but all this Middle East bullshit is the fault of Israel and of the U.S. for protecting them.
No one dares to say it in the media, but all this Middle East bullshit is the fault of Israel and of the U.S. for protecting them.
Godsize is right. Saddam and Osama are just names and faces. For every one of them, there are hundreds, if not thousands, to take their place.
Even if we catch Osama, it really will mean nothing. Osama is looked at as a religious figure. And Islam looks at martyrdom as the most noble thing you can do for your God. Giving up your life for your cause and beliefs. Osama's capture and death will only strenghthen their cause.
Even if we catch Osama, it really will mean nothing. Osama is looked at as a religious figure. And Islam looks at martyrdom as the most noble thing you can do for your God. Giving up your life for your cause and beliefs. Osama's capture and death will only strenghthen their cause.
Saddam flew to Europe in order to have dental work done. That is how the U.S. go this DNA.
At least, this is what I was told.
Well, sort of. In the 7th century at the start of Islam, Islamists began wars of conquest, as per their teachings, that all other religions should be driven from control of the lands -- though other religions are tolerated to exist, the lands must be controlled by Islam.
At that time Christianity was the dominant religion in the region. Syria, Palestine, and Egypt were once the most heavily Christian in the world.
For the next four hundred years Islam was on the march and had conquered 2/3rds of the old Christian world. This is when Christians finally fought back -- the Crusades.
Islam has not changed. It is still a conquering religion. It still believes that lands should be controlled by Islam alone. Naturally they view a loss of lands with deep hatred.
In this day and age, however, we understand the concept of religious freedom. So such land claims, past, present, and future, have no validity. Islam is not entitled to control all the lands on earth. Islam is not entitled to control any lands on earth. People should be free to pick their religion without having to defer to a state religion.
So yeah, in a way it is our "fault" because we won't suBathmateit to the dictates of Islamic authority.
We're rebels, I guess.
"Islam is not entitled to control any lands on earth."
I think the same should go for Israel. I mean, fuck it, is anyone really entitled to anything on this Earth?
I'm not on Islam's side either. I think they're both wrong. I think the U.S. should let Israel fight for their own strip of shit desert, but if that were to happen I think Israel would get devoured by it's surrounding countries since nobody likes Israel... except Jews.
I think maybe if the Jews would shut the fuck up just once in their whole existence, then maybe everyone wouldn't want to fucking kill them every chance they could get. Israel is the cause of all this bullshit, yet they are forever the world's "victims". Man, fuck that bullshit. According to their law, we (non-jews) are just "cattle", but nobody prints that in the paper.
Oh yeah, I might be wrong and I'm definitely no authority on the subject, but I think the U.S. should bomb the fucking shit out of Saudi Arabia. All this terrorist bullshit is funded by them anyway, isn't it? Yet, the Saudies seem to be untouchable and never mentioned on the news for some reason. What's up with that?
I think the same should go for Israel. I mean, fuck it, is anyone really entitled to anything on this Earth?
I'm not on Islam's side either. I think they're both wrong. I think the U.S. should let Israel fight for their own strip of shit desert, but if that were to happen I think Israel would get devoured by it's surrounding countries since nobody likes Israel... except Jews.
I think maybe if the Jews would shut the fuck up just once in their whole existence, then maybe everyone wouldn't want to fucking kill them every chance they could get. Israel is the cause of all this bullshit, yet they are forever the world's "victims". Man, fuck that bullshit. According to their law, we (non-jews) are just "cattle", but nobody prints that in the paper.
Oh yeah, I might be wrong and I'm definitely no authority on the subject, but I think the U.S. should bomb the fucking shit out of Saudi Arabia. All this terrorist bullshit is funded by them anyway, isn't it? Yet, the Saudies seem to be untouchable and never mentioned on the news for some reason. What's up with that?
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"All of it kinda means nothing in the end. Catching any of those scumbags ain't gonna bring shit to a halt. The "War On Terror" is here to stay and is not going anywhere. "
- couldn't agree with you more man. samuel huntington's clash of civillizations theory hasn't exatcly come to pass, but i think cultural stress is the new #1 source of international war and malcontent.
"This shit will go on and on as long as Israel exists. This whole situation boils down to it being their fault."
what the fuck man, why is half the shit you say so astute, then you let roll with that, and why can you blame me when i accuse you of fundamentally not liking jews when you say shit like that? notice other posters rarely jump in with support when you keep dropping all this anti-jewish stuff . . .
i don't wanna get down to an arguement about it. and nobody is more aware of the fuck-ups and conflictory actions of israel than me, and i disagree with a lot of them, as well as the seemingly unquestioned US support of all of their fucked up actions. but boiling down all mideast conflict to israel, shit dude, all i can say is WHAT THE FUCK.
do you really believe mideast violence and terrorism is going to go away tomorrow if israel somehow magically disappears? i don't think anyobdy in their right mind would sign on to that statement. and then when you, being a person that i sincerely belive is intelligent and observant, says something like, i can't help but jump to the conclusion that you just don't fucking like jews. why else say it, believe it, whatever?
i'm not asking you to explain yourself or clamoring for support from other posters, fuck all that, just at least think about it, please. then read some books about it, evaluate it further, take an interest, inform yourself. but don't just go saying shit like that. when intelligent people allow themselves to drop to assumption then the world suffers for the loss.
- couldn't agree with you more man. samuel huntington's clash of civillizations theory hasn't exatcly come to pass, but i think cultural stress is the new #1 source of international war and malcontent.
"This shit will go on and on as long as Israel exists. This whole situation boils down to it being their fault."
what the fuck man, why is half the shit you say so astute, then you let roll with that, and why can you blame me when i accuse you of fundamentally not liking jews when you say shit like that? notice other posters rarely jump in with support when you keep dropping all this anti-jewish stuff . . .
i don't wanna get down to an arguement about it. and nobody is more aware of the fuck-ups and conflictory actions of israel than me, and i disagree with a lot of them, as well as the seemingly unquestioned US support of all of their fucked up actions. but boiling down all mideast conflict to israel, shit dude, all i can say is WHAT THE FUCK.
do you really believe mideast violence and terrorism is going to go away tomorrow if israel somehow magically disappears? i don't think anyobdy in their right mind would sign on to that statement. and then when you, being a person that i sincerely belive is intelligent and observant, says something like, i can't help but jump to the conclusion that you just don't fucking like jews. why else say it, believe it, whatever?
i'm not asking you to explain yourself or clamoring for support from other posters, fuck all that, just at least think about it, please. then read some books about it, evaluate it further, take an interest, inform yourself. but don't just go saying shit like that. when intelligent people allow themselves to drop to assumption then the world suffers for the loss.
also man, (godsize), you can't just boil down terrorism to a state, especially when they control the world oil market to a profound degree. if wee just started blasting saudi arabia because the state might have certain avenues of finance that support terrorism, than many innocent saudies would suffer. and excuse me for being so self rightous, but i think that is about as lowly as terrorism. in my opinion of course. an american life isn't worth more than any other, even if what we belive in, do, ect. may be superior. that kind of thinking is what leads to this cross-cultural hatred, and eventually murder and terrosim, in the first place.
Dude dont even get into another argument with each other.
Why is Islam stuck in the past? The great thing about our country, is that we have the learned to ignore our religious leaders. Which most of us do. I mean when their religious leaders tell them to do something, they actually do it!
But when the Pope is like "no masturbation" and "no pre-marital sex". We dont take it seriously.
Why do people think they know what happens to you when you die? And if they say they know what happens, their lying. I believe in God, or a Creator, but I dont believe in religion. If there was no such thing as religion, then there would be no terrorism.
Its also a clash of civilizations. I mean we spend all our time trying to get women to undress, but they keep their women in beekeeper suits. We like our women in the workplace, and they stone their women if they fart in public.
Oh the reason why we will never attack Saudi Arabia, is because we are long time business partners. George Bush is protecting them. Thats where the 9/11 terrorists came from, and thats where the Bin Ladens got their respect and their money. They are like the Rockafellers of the Middle East.
Why is Islam stuck in the past? The great thing about our country, is that we have the learned to ignore our religious leaders. Which most of us do. I mean when their religious leaders tell them to do something, they actually do it!
But when the Pope is like "no masturbation" and "no pre-marital sex". We dont take it seriously.
Why do people think they know what happens to you when you die? And if they say they know what happens, their lying. I believe in God, or a Creator, but I dont believe in religion. If there was no such thing as religion, then there would be no terrorism.
Its also a clash of civilizations. I mean we spend all our time trying to get women to undress, but they keep their women in beekeeper suits. We like our women in the workplace, and they stone their women if they fart in public.
Oh the reason why we will never attack Saudi Arabia, is because we are long time business partners. George Bush is protecting them. Thats where the 9/11 terrorists came from, and thats where the Bin Ladens got their respect and their money. They are like the Rockafellers of the Middle East.
ha, sorry man, i'm not trying to pick another fight and end up taking over the thread. i think godsize and i have an understanding at least. he knows i don't really have a problem with his views, i just don't understand.
plus, as i said before, we agree on more than we disagree, and i enjoy most of his posts. when it comes to jews, i think he has a hang-up. i don't think he cares that i think that, and i'm entilted to my grumpiness. it's only because i think godsize writes interesting posts on this board that i bitch, cause hey, maybe i can get him to think about it.
plus, as i said before, we agree on more than we disagree, and i enjoy most of his posts. when it comes to jews, i think he has a hang-up. i don't think he cares that i think that, and i'm entilted to my grumpiness. it's only because i think godsize writes interesting posts on this board that i bitch, cause hey, maybe i can get him to think about it.
yeah, I like Godsize. But I could see how someone might think he has a "hang-up" when it comes to other races or Jews.
I like the guy, but some of his posts might piss some people off. Oh well, I like pissing-off Gellybird and bodddobbs!:blahblah:
oh, I kid the Republicans...........
I like the guy, but some of his posts might piss some people off. Oh well, I like pissing-off Gellybird and bodddobbs!:blahblah:
oh, I kid the Republicans...........
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