Odd sex question: Passed out GF for sex.

[Shithead]

Hey fellas,

Odd question, but after watching the movie Shooter, there's a scene where he has to do a backyard bullet removal and stitch up, so he sucks on the gas from a can of whipped cream and goes out cold for an hour or so... which got my gf thinking.

Basically, she thinks it'd be cool if she induced an unconscious state so I could do whatever I want to her while she was out cold the entire time, then when she wakes up I get to tell her all about it.

From what I gather, the whipped cream can way apparently would be pretty dangerous. So, does anyone know any safe ways of making someone pass out or go into a really, really deep sleep for 30mins or so?


Cheers.

 

[redpubes]

Please tell me you are joking.

 

[Shithead]

Haha, it was her idea.

I don't see how this, if done safely, couldn't be considered fairly standard sexual experimentation.

 

[PenilePersist]

Haha, it was her idea.

I don't see how this, if done safely, couldn't be considered fairly standard sexual experimentation.

One word: rape. :s

IF you actually do this, which you seem gung ho about, get your GF ON VIDEO saying that she wants you to do it.

I can think of some ways to get her to pass out - but I don't even want to tell. You'll figure it out if you want.

 

[Shithead]

How is it even remotely linked to rape? I'm not asking for a method that I can use to quickly jump on someone from behind in a dark ally.

I don't know why this is getting such hostile responses. That scene in Shooter came on, my gf grabs my knee and looks at me wide-eyed, later on she tells me how she thinks it'd be cool and she wants to do it, so I come here asking if it's possible.

It's not like I'm asking for drugs to spike some girls drink.

 

[Drjeckle]

Well even though its her idea I think it would be bad if the wrong person found out. I know it's illegal if you have sex with some thats passed out drunk and this is pretty much the same thing. It's a sweet idea though, your gf sounds adventurous Its an erotic concept. But I agree with PenlinePesist , depending on the laws where you live you should get a video recoding of her agreeing or just explaining the whole thing, her stance, w/e. just to be safe. I think a rag with chloroform on it should work though and I think this is a method kidnappers use btw so its easy to see why someone might find it disturbing. But the human bodies a complex thing with unknown reactions to even the most common situations so learn about it, think about it and talk about it with her.

Good luck
Dr.J

 

[PenilePersist]

How is it even remotely linked to rape? I'm not asking for a method that I can use to quickly jump on someone from behind in a dark ally.

I don't know why this is getting such hostile responses. That scene in Shooter came on, my gf grabs my knee and looks at me wide-eyed, later on she tells me how she thinks it'd be cool and she wants to do it, so I come here asking if it's possible.

It's not like I'm asking for drugs to spike some girls drink.

I don't consider our replies to be hostile. They are in fact realistic and a good bit wiser than yours. Do you consder that you may be a bit naive? Do you realize how easy this could turn into a life ruining shitstorm even between you and your seemingly zealous GF? I think you should think things through a lot more. Accidents happen. People react different to different substances and techniques that would permit unconsciousness. Women easily cry rape when they want to - whenever they want to ... just look at the Duke case of late: duke rape - Google Search . Asking how it is even remotely linked to rape is extremely ignorant. If your scenario is true - you would still in fact be raping her, albeit with her permission. If it is not true, you are asking for an effective formula for rape. Those are just facts of realism - not personal attacks.

As far as you possibly having more sinister intentions - none of us could possibly know what the truth is ... unless you want to post a video of you and your GF admitting that you would both like to do this; and even then you could always harm somebody else.

Regardless, I already gave you good advice - about getting her on video asking for it in order to protect yourself. You can figure out the rest.

 

[10inchadvantage]

Follow Penile's advice, no less. Nitric Oxide from whippets only make you go into a weird reality for something like 20 seconds and then you're back. I don't know what you could give her, other than a strong opiate, to knock her out.

 

[PenilePersist]

On the video taped request, I'd get her to not only say that she wants you to render her unconscious and do sexual things to her - but I suggest that you record her specifically agreeing with the method to render her unconscious and to be mention if anything is specifically not permitted.

I also suggest that you be EXTREMELY careful about her body type, allergies, medications/recreational substance use etc etc when considering how you two are going to render her unconscious.

Good luck.

 

[3lee]

Dont do it. Just get drunk instead.

 

[redpubes]

Even if it is on tape she can EASILY claim that she consented under duress. Do you think any jury in the world would believe that she actually wanted to pass out and let you have sex with her body?

 

[Shithead]

Naive? Ignorant? How about elitist? How about Napoleon complex? I'm not even going to try debate this, it's just sheer arguing for egos sake, you're basically saying you know my own intentions, and my girlfriend's, better than I.

Do you think I'd even consider this if I thought there was even the slightest chance it would turn into a rape case against me? Do you think I'd try any method unless I was 100% sure it was physically safe?

Despite being rhetorical questions, you've already put forward your assumptions to them, now why would you? (also rhetorical)

 

[redpubes]

Do you think any man has sex with a woman/girl friend if he has the slightest idea that it could turn into a rape case? I know police officers and people that work at the rape crisis center. They have told me that there are a high number of fake rape allegations.

 

[spinner2]

This is the sort of thing that'll come back to bite you in the ass. Once you two break up it'll come back to haunt you.

 

[goosefaba]

i gotta say man unless you been with this woman for like 3+ years I would not try this, she may just be kinky like that but ain't worth the risk.

 

[Shithead]

I can imagine the kind of frivolous couple where this could go bad, I can also imagine an excited boyfriend jumping headfirst into this, I can also imagine the kind of girls that would claim fake rape.

While I could say that my girlfriend and I are not any part of that, I doubt it will be received well, judging from previous assumptions.

 

[sed26]

Do us all a favor and just buy a blow up doll. I really don't see the fun in having sex with a person that's not moving. loll Did I just say that? But really if she really wants to do it get it on camera and have her sign papers saying she willingly did it. Also film her as she wakes up. Finally but MOST importantly, have a friendly break-up if it happens. If you break-up and become enemies that's your ass! According to a retired police officer in my criminal justice class, 99.9% of the time wether REAL OR NOT, they're going to believe a child or a woman over the man if any abuse or harm is SAID to be done.

 

[PenilePersist]

Naive? Ignorant? How about elitist? How about Napoleon complex? I'm not even going to try debate this, it's just sheer arguing for egos sake, you're basically saying you know my own intentions, and my girlfriend's, better than I.

Do you think I'd even consider this if I thought there was even the slightest chance it would turn into a rape case against me? Do you think I'd try any method unless I was 100% sure it was physically safe?

Despite being rhetorical questions, you've already put forward your assumptions to them, now why would you? (also rhetorical)

Bro, you're taking this way too personally. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you, but I'm really trying to help you be careful about this and I did not see you doing that for yourself. In addition to that, your reaction to our advice is disconserting.

Again, good luck.

Even if it is on tape she can EASILY claim that she consented under duress. Do you think any jury in the world would believe that she actually wanted to pass out and let you have sex with her body?

Good point, take 1 more minute to add this to the tape. Her body language, voice and mood in general will be a major indicator of whether or not she is under duress. She can specifically state she is not, and in a candid manner she can speak to the camera with "shithead" on film as well - while holding him and possibly kissing him and expressing her love.

lol This is reminding me of the Dave Chappell skit where he gets women to sign contracts before and after sex. Anybody who finds the video, please post it. lol

 

[Pandora]

How about you do it, But you record what you do to her on a web cam, then show her a couple of weeks after ehhehe

 

[stridge]

It sounds like your girlfriend has some kind of rape or domination fantasy, and the scene in the movie was a way for her to introduce the idea to you, specifically by suggesting that you immitate the circumstances from the film.

Have a discussion with her about why the idea turns her on so much and ask if there are any less risky scenarios than the one she suggested that she might like to try instead.

Don't get so defensive - these guys are giving you good advice. Things could go south between the two of you or who knows what else, and this would definately be the kind of thing to worry about. It would be her word against your for a fairly strange and possibly illegal thing. Even if she gives prior consent, it may very well still be illegal to engage in any kind of sexual conduct with her even while she's unconcscious. Consent is generally agreed to be a fluid situation that extends during the act of sex - if she's not awake, she technically not giving consent, even if she told you to do it. From a legal perspective, you could be get seriously fucked in this situation.

In most colleges, rape can be vailidly charged by a girl if she's intoxicated, even slightly intoxicated, even if the sex act was entirely consenting. That should be food for thought as to how these sorts of things are taken by the powers that be. If accusations are levied, the law is strongly on her side, not yours.

I'm not sure what the appeal is for her here (having an experience she won't remember in the slightest), or for you (having sex with a knocked out girl, kinda borders on a necrophilia sort of thing, doesn't sound fun to me). Get her talking because I'd bet green money she has an underlying fantasy that either involves rape, which some women actually do, or she just wants uninhibited or dominating sex of some sort and she feels this is a good introduction to participating in a fetish that she's probably not comfortable openly disucussing without a little engagement from your end.

And, as the others mentioned, the health risks here are pretty high. Imagine explaining to some paramedics that you were 'knocking out' your girlfriend for entirely 'consenting' sexual purposes when she just happened to go into resperatory failure. It takes a trained anesthestiologist to take somebody under safely, and things still go wrong sometimes. You're way our of your league and begging for trouble with this kind of thing. Besides the legal implications I'd advise against simply due to the intense health risks for her.

Frankly, I have to agree when others suggest that you're being naive about this. Mostly because you don't seem aware of any of these risks, and secondly because you claimed to be asking for advice but reacted with anger when others helpfully tried to alert you to just how unbelievably stupid and dangerous this idea is.

 

[Shithead]

Haha, this is just getting ludicrous. A sex question gets turned into advice on how to video tape a contractual agreement before intercourse. I gotta wonder if some of you have ever been with a girl.

Regardless, I haven't been able to find any safe way of doing this, so I doubt it will happen.

 

[PenilePersist]

Haha, this is just getting ludicrous. A sex question gets turned into advice on how to video tape a contractual agreement before intercourse. I gotta wonder if some of you have ever been with a girl.

Regardless, I haven't been able to find any safe way of doing this, so I doubt it will happen.

I know what you mean about the tape contract being a laugh. That's why I mentioned the Chappell skit. It's definitely tough to pull of right, but I wouldn't go without it in this case ... and I wouldn't advise any friends to do without it, in this case, either. If my GF wanted me to do this to her, and wouldn't do this for me, then I'd tell her to fuck off - or at least forget about it and move on.

Stridge made great points, by the way, especially about the interests of both parties relative to the specific proposed act.

Again, good luck.

 

[Golf]

How do choke-holds work? Where you cut off the blood flow to the brain for long enough that they pass out, but if they pass out from lack of oxygen to the brain wouldn't the heart stop, like drowning? Yeah wtf, it's like sprangeling someone basically right? Or is it done for such a sort period of time that there is enough activity to not die, but not enough to be concious (fuck it I can't spell). I know for Navy Seals a lot of them drown during their really long underwater swim, but the instructors say that they're not worried because the drowned guys are healthy and have around 5 minutes before brain damage occurs.

Threat-X that picture is strange as hell, just nothing fits in that situation. Can't tell what is behind the guy's head either, a tree?

 

[PenilePersist]

How do choke-holds work? Where you cut off the blood flow to the brain for long enough that they pass out, but if they pass out from lack of oxygen to the brain wouldn't the heart stop, like drowning? Yeah wtf, it's like sprangeling someone basically right? Or is it done for such a sort period of time that there is enough activity to not die, but not enough to be concious (fuck it I can't spell).

Rear Naked Choke is the common one for knockout. It has been called many other names. RNC often uses the hand clasping bicep technique to choke blood from the cartoid arteries - not strangle air from the throat. This can render a person unconscious in about 3 seconds ... but as soon as you let go they resume consciousness in about 20-30 seconds and are almost totally alert in about 60 seconds.

Here's an example: YouTube - Joe Rogan chokes out Radio DJ .

 

[Golf]

O okay, so you can still breath just limited blood getting to the brain. If someone keep another person in that hold for a long time would it become like drowning?

Does your heart stop because no blood is getting to your brain or because no oxygen-blood is getting to your heart? I asked my mom this shit because she is a nurse but she went into how your heart has it's own electrical system or something- what causes of the heart stopping do you need an AED? Just heart attack and electricution? I would google this but it seems like I would get such a array of answers.

 

[PenilePersist]

O okay, so you can still breath just limited blood getting to the brain. If someone keep another person in that hold for a long time would it become like drowning?

Does your heart stop because no blood is getting to your brain or because no oxygen-blood is getting to your heart? I asked my mom this shit because she is a nurse but she went into how your heart has it's own electrical system or something- what causes of the heart stopping do you need an AED? Just heart attack and electricution? I would google this but it seems like I would get such a array of answers.

I don't think the heart would stop - not in any quick fashion anyway.
However, like your mom says, the heart it "electrical". The whole body is "electrical", hence nerves. Nerves are like wires sending electric pulses the the organs of the body, causing them to operate as your brain tells them to. So, at some point, the brain effect will effect the nerves which will effect the organs of the body.

No, it's not like drowning. Drowning fillngs the lungs with water. It's suffocating, like a throat blockage from a throat strangle. There is not adequate air getting to the blood. With the choking of the cartoid arteries, you are simply blocking blood and the oxygen it carries from to the brain, no manipulating oxygen directly.

 

[Golf]

O alright, thanks for info.