How Honest Are We?

[kong1971]

There have been several interesting threads lately about honesty and integrity at this forum. I'm sure a great majority of you have been following it. There have been good points made on both sides of the debate, so I am curious to hear what you all think. Do you think we, as a group, are more honest about our Penis Enlargement gains and penis size, or do you believe that we are more apt to lie?

 

[Chi]

I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.

About the threads you are referring, I think they haven't adressed the issue of how some strongly-oppinioned or close minded (or similar) people go way out of their way and disrespect others who disagree with them or remain open minded about certain subjects. I think that relates to Integrity.


and why is this poll in the sexuality forum?

 

[Skepdick]

I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.

You bring up a good point. I think most of the members here are honest for the most part. However, about 1% of the registered members make up about 99% of the posts and I do believe that these more enthusiastic members are prone to fudging the numbers so a disproportionate amount of posts are cloaked in bullshit here IMHO.

 

[kong1971]

Oops, you're right, chi. That was an accident. I moved it to deep thoughts.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

"I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.

About the threads you are referring, I think they haven't adressed the issue of how some strongly-oppinioned or close minded (or similar) people go way out of their way and disrespect others who disagree with them or remain open minded about certain subjects. I think that relates to Integrity."

You've already been quoted, but fucking awsome post. Straight to the point.

More and more I'm starting to believe that all this bone-pressing business is somewhat at the heart of the matter. Same with the difference between 'thickest point' girth and midshaft measurments. Maybe we ought to go on the girth that makes up the largest segment of a guy's unit as the best stat. It doesn't matter, the point is, one guys 8X6 could be another guys 6.5X5 depending on how enthusiastically they measure. I think this accounts for a lot of the larger sizes we see around here. I realize it's a Penis Enlargement site and guys should be larger and all, but anybody that spends a lot of time on the forum knows there aren't a whole ton of guys here that have seen big gains or stuck with solid routine. It's probably about half and half among the regular posters.

This bone-press stuff is good for keeping track of gains and all, but I fail to see how it's really so much superior to NBP unless your weight fluctuates hugel and frequently. If your dick really grows a quarter inch, it will be reflected in a NBP measure nine times out of ten. I tend to think that NBP or a very light press is basically your real statistic so far what we're dealing with. When people are spotting themselves more than an inch at all times and consider that to be their true penis size, things start getting distorted. An inch is a lot of dick. I understand the frustration that being overweight probably causes, but I think lots of guys use it as an excuse to drive that ruler up to their spleen and say "ah-ha! I knew I was naturally 8.5", just have to lose 20 lbs. now." If I bone press my erection I get close to an extra inch and I have almost no fat pad - but guess which one I consider to be my real size?

If the fat pad was really obscuring so much extra dick out there, than my advice to all the guys who are dealing with that and trying to Penis Enlargement would be to concentrate on losing weight first. Weight loss is a pretty sure thing if you're dilligent, and happens a hell of a lot faster than gains through Penis Enlargement.

Basically I think that certain personalities tend to go a little overboard with the irregularity in measuring. Kind of how something to the tune of 15% of all Americans surveyed tend to believe they're in the top 1% of income nationally.

There's also a definate element of people that are just straight up bullshitting and know they are as well. Not a terribly large group, but they're around.

 

[Skepdick]

When people are spotting themselves more than an inch at all times and consider that to be their true penis size, things start getting distorted.

Yea, exactly. There is also a bullshit statistic that gets thrown around here that losing 30 lbs will give you an inch of dick which I believe to be a total load of shit, regardless of your build. There was a period of time where I put on a lot of weight, 25-30 lbs, and guess what effect it had on my NBP dick. Zero. I do not even have a big frame and I would wager that this weight gain would effect other members even less. The weight DID put a good 2.5-3 inches on my waist.

When I BP it really only gains me about 1/4 inch from compressing the fat. The ones getting an inch (or sometimes 2 or 3) are the ones who aren't even pressing the damn ruler into the pubic bone above the dick. Even sometimes in pictures the ruler is pressed into their gut, 2-3 inches above the pubic bone or into the side. Total bullshit in my opinion, but they are only kidding themselves.

 

[philadelph]

There is also a bullshit statistic that gets thrown around here that losing 30 lbs will give you an inch of dick which I believe to be a total load of shit, regardless of your build. There was a period of time where I put on a lot of weight, 25-30 lbs, and guess what effect it had on my NBP dick. Zero. I do not even have a big frame and I would wager that this weight gain would effect other members even less. The weight DID put a good 2.5-3 inches on my waist.

I can verify this effect as I was a good 30-35 lbs heavier about a year ago. A good bit was muscle, but a good bit was fat as well. No change in measurement.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Yeah, I agree on all counts. I'm sure there are some guys who happen to have a big slice of pubic fat, but all the hype is unwarranted. With BP there's just so much room to fudge, you can easily manipulate things by several inches.

I don't want to sound like some kind of measurement nazi ordering everybody to measure the way I do, but I think the bone pressing is what has caused a lot of the distortion on this site.

I even think it can screw people over in terms of thinking they've made gains. Take some guy who's totally new to this. He gets interested, works on himself for a few months, and then when he measures, he's likely going to go for the bone press as that's pretty much standard around here. Obvioulsy he'll want to see some results for his effort, and so maybe the ruler placement or pressure will become a little heavier, and bam, false gains.

If the measurement was taken NBP (assuming no drastic weight gain) he'd have a much more clear picture of whether or not he improved his dick. With the bonepressing measure he could be working a shit routine and making no gains, and yet have a totally distorted view of what's going on.

I also think this explains the 'newbie gain' thing to an extent. I've read numerous posts where guys are elated to have churned out a half an inch in like a month of stretching. Considering there are members that hang intensely for six months to see anything like that, it seems that measurement error due to the weirdness of bonepressing is a likely culprit.

 

[philadelph]

I also think this explains the 'newbie gain' thing to an extent. I've read numerous posts where guys are elated to have churned out a half an inch in like a month of stretching. Considering there are members that hang intensely for six months to see anything like that, it seems that measurement error due to the weirdness of bonepressing is a likely culprit.

Thats how I made some newbie gains I think.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

It's always hard to say. I've never had a length gain (though this is due to never having had a consistent enough routine to produce anything), but I pretty much have always ignored the BP measure for this very reason. Unless I were to gain a bunch of weight in my pubic region all of a sudden, it seems the BP measure could only screw me up. Anything that comes NBP, I know is legit.

 

[Skepdick]

Unless you cheat the 2 aren't going to make much difference at all. I am about 6.5 nbp and 6.75 bp, both are if I don't straighten out my curve. BP'ing is really only meant to compress the skin, and should yield dick that would actually be usable during sex. If there is a disparity of more than a fraction of an inch, you are only kidding yourself.

 

[kong1971]

To be honest, I don't consider my BP my true length. Neither do I consider my NBP my true length. I usually just average the two out and say around 7 inches, a hair under, a hair over. I think that that's about what I can supply my wife, which is all I am really worried about in the end. Considering there is some deal of fluctuation with size as well, due to erection hardness, health and etc., I think this whole argument is somewhat pointless. Not that it doesn't matter. Only that it will never be completely settled.

I agree with swank that alot of this comes down to NBP versus BP.

Men are too highly competitive and too much self-esteem is wrapped up in their penis size. The more fit men are going to say NBP is all that counts cause it gives them a step up, and the heavier guys are going to say BP is all the counts because it gives them a step up. I said in a previous thread that I'm biased and going to say BP is what really matters, but that was basically just a joke. I truly feel it is a little bit inbetween.

So what's the cut off on acceptable BP? From what I have experienced here, it's basically seeing the #1 mark on a ruler. If everyone can see the #1 mark, no one really complains. I have only caught flak myself when I was heavier and the #2 mark (if that) was visible. When I lost enough weight so that the #1 mark was visible on the ruler, the criticisms pretty much ceased. If that's the general consensus, then so be it. If you don't like it, you have four choices: don't post pictures, put up with the shit, lose weight, or BP only deep enough to leave the #1 visible.

I have to admit that you guys have made some really convincing points and I am coming around to your way of thinking. I still think that a little more tact and a little less negativity could be applied to your approach to this matter, but then again, why should you guys have to be nice when someone is basically lying to you?

I have seen a few photos here and there where I thought the measuring was a little shady, and I held my tongue out of politeness. Perhaps that was more of a disservice than helping that person out. Perhaps the first, best lesson we can teach here is to be honest with yourself.

I know I am going to try to be more honest with myself, and I thank you for the lesson you taught me. I appreciate those few of you who tried to teach me that lesson when I first joined up, and apologize for the frustration you must have felt when my own self-esteem said, "Uh-Uh! No way!" But hey, you know me! At least, it only took a year and a half for it to sink in!

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Kong, good input, but I think I speak for others when I say it's not about being negative and putting people down. This is just the way I see things. Nobody is being called out or personally harped on, it's general waxing on a Penis Enlargement related issue.

The 1" thing is interesting. When it comes down to it, 1" of actual usable dick is a huge difference. 6" is considered average, 7" is big. When guys start experimenting with that kind of variation, that's when the statistical averages on the site and our understanding of how much guys are really gaining, as well as what sizes they'r really able to achieve with this stuff starts getting warped. I do see your point on the matter, but I say hell, let's be as accurate and realistic as possible. Self-confidence is one thing, but I think more sound information about Penis Enlargement gains and true averages on size is more important.

I understand a soft bone press or whatever, and like I said there are certainly some heavy guys that probably do have some more usable dick locked up in their pelvic fat, but for the vast majority of Penis Enlargement'ers I don't see it as a very useful thing.

 

[philadelph]

I am starting to like you Kong.

 

[kong1971]

Well, now that skepdick has been banned for basically being the biggest fucking liar this forum has ever seen -- namely the former mod Gandolf -- I am extremely confused. How could he even talk about honesty and integrity after the GIGANTIC hoaxes he has pulled off here in the past. I remember seeing Gandolf's giant dingdong at Penis Enlargementforum when I first started doing this and saying, Wow, now that's what I want! Now he posts pics as skepdick and he's basically no bigger than I am. What a fuckin' crock. Who else is this avatar of honesty and integrity named Gandolf? Will all the real Gandolfs please step forward in this thread? Are you Gandolf, swank? You've always kind of had a hate-on for me, just like skepdick. What about you, shithead/mooman/whoever you are? Are you Gandolf? Talk about fucking glass houses. At least I came clean when I realized what I was doing wrong... You're not even honest enough to be yourself, and all this talk about honesty and integrity is just you fucking projecting your own feelings of guilt and dishonesty onto this forum as a whole. How pathetic.

 

[kong1971]

In fact, next time you all start spouting off about glory-sizing and honesty, I suggest you look down in your own fucking underwear first. I said this to "skepdick" and I'll say it again, WHENEVER YOU POINT A FINGER AT SOMEONE ELSE, THERE ARE THREE MORE POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU!!!

You see that little title under my user name. That's right, Gandolf. I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but I know it wouldn't reach.

 

[Chi]

Damn. I have read about this Gandolf guy and the mess he made. And just when I was starting to agree on this NBP thing lol

Actually, I AM starting to agree on that anyway, I think that is the way my next official measurements will go. Hope I don´t loose too much... crap, just when I was reaching average lol

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

I fail to see how Skepdick being banned invalidates any of the points he made.

His pictures in the proof section are the most clear and well done shots on the site. Where did he ever lie about his size or anything like that? What does his size have to with anything anyways?

"You see that little title under my user name. That's right, Gandolf. I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but I know it wouldn't reach."

C'mon man, just yesterday you were getting along with him fine and talking about how you'd really come around to seeing things from his perspective, now this? Seriously, that kind of posting is just ruining an otherwise good and interesting Penis Enlargement thread.

As they say, you're making DRAMA.

If anybody has any thoughts on the actual topic of the thread on not some stupid personal bullshit, please don't be intimidated into not posting.

 

[kong1971]

Despite my personal feelings of betrayal by skepdick/ gandolf, we still need to discuss this issue. As Swank said, let's get past this and do not feel intimidated at all to post further thoughts in this thread. I'm over being pissed and I am still interested in this discussion. Like chi, I believe that I am going to concentrate more on NBP statistics, but I am not yet convinced that there is no merit to BP measurements.

 

[koooky]

How did Kong/DLD find out Skepdick was Gandolf?
What the heck happened????

kooky

 

[kong1971]

Just read the last few posts of DLD's hi-res photo thread in picture proof. Lightning caught him and one of the mods did the ban. I didn't catch him. I was just "standing there" when it happened. I apologize for getting so angry, but the first thing I thought was all the times skep called me a liar, fake and scam artist. But it doesn't mean anything, in the long run. This is just a forum, after all. Philadelphia is quite right about that.

 

[Skepdick2]

How did Kong/DLD find out Skepdick was Gandolf?
What the heck happened????

kooky

I hope that I do not get banned, I didn't realize that I was breaking a rule. I have had my SKepdick username for almost a year. About 3-4 months ago I TOLD DLD that I am Gandolf and asked if he could let me back on under that name. He said he would consider it but never got back to me, which is fine. The point is, I only posted under a different name because my old one was banned, not to try and bamboozle the members here. I was banned as Gandolf over some personal shit between DLD and me and we have since gotton past it, or so it seemed last we talked. I guess he viewed my post in his picture thread to be trolling. If so, I didn't intend it to be. I was merely making a commentary on the fact that the moderators and admin hadn't even attempted to clarify the guy's point. If I was a little harsh then I apologize and I won't bother to give my opinion on DLD and his size from here on out, but I was posting under the Skepdick alias with DLD's approval, so hopefully this can be taken into consideration as I don't really think I said or did anything to warrant a ban.

 

[kong1971]

I don't have a problem with you staying on here at all, but you have to be honest with us. You have to come clean and be yourself. I think you need to also worry about your own integrity before trying to crusade it here. Everyone makes mistakes. We're all human. But you need to admit to your own faults before you try to expose and ridicule someone else for theirs.

 

[Skepdick2]

I don't have a problem with you staying on here at all, but you have to be honest with us. You have to come clean and be yourself. I think you need to also worry about your own integrity before trying to crusade it here. Everyone makes mistakes. We're all human. But you need to admit to your own faults before you try to expose and ridicule someone else for theirs.

I only concealed my name because I had to so I didn't get immediately banned. I am more than happy to come clean about anything.

 

[kong1971]

Then do it. Make your next post The Gandolf Story before some other mod comes across this and re-bans you.

 

[Skepdick2]

Then do it. Make your next post The Gandolf Story before some other mod comes across this and re-bans you.

I'm not sure DLD wants all that drama on the boards. He and I forgave and forgot all that bullshit that happened a few months ago when I told him that skepdick is gandolf. Unless he wants me to, I am not going to clutter up this place with that drama and beat a horse than is long dead.

 

[koooky]

"I was banned as Gandolf over some personal shit between DLD and me and we have since gotton past it"



Aren't you the dude that went about deleting a shitload of threads?
Isn't that the real reason you were banned? You tried and succeded in
damaging this board. Why oh why would you ever, EVER want to come back?
Ad what makes you think the memebers would just welcome you back after you have perhaps deleted some of their post?


kook

 

[Skepdick2]

"I was banned as Gandolf over some personal shit between DLD and me and we have since gotton past it"



Aren't you the dude that went about deleting a shitload of threads?
Isn't that the real reason you were banned? You tried and succeded in
damaging this board. Why oh why would you ever, EVER want to come back?
Ad what makes you think the memebers would just welcome you back after you have perhaps deleted some of their post?


kook

As I said there was a personal issue that DLD and I had and we resolved it. Anyone can go back and read the old threads, I am not about to get into that again.

 

[koooky]

Ok, it was a personal issue, fine. But you let it get PAST a personal
issue by damaging EVERYONE here.

Once again, what makes you think most who were here then would welcome you back so readily?

kooky

 

[Skepdick2]

Ok, it was a personal issue, fine. But you let it get PAST a personal
issue by damaging EVERYONE here.

Once again, what makes you think most who were here then would welcome you back so readily?

kooky

I never said they would. I am sure some won't care at all and would welcome me, some have their opinion made and think I'm a creep, and some are in the middle and think what I did was wrong but in the end will let it slide. If anyone doesn't like me here that is fine and I understand completely.

 

[Skepdick2]

Ok, it was a personal issue, fine. But you let it get PAST a personal
issue by damaging EVERYONE here.

Once again, what makes you think most who were here then would welcome you back so readily?

kooky

I wasn't the only one who let things go too far either. My Gandolf's Videos thread was trashed in an effort to discredit my contributions after this incident occured despite the fact that it was the only video thread we had here for video tutorials and it helped a lot of niewbies out. Cutting off our noses to spite our faces is something that we've all done at times.

 

[9cyclops9]

Skepdick, I'm going to bring this up for discussion in the mod forum, because it sounds like there's a lot of stuff that went on that the mods weren't aware of. I, for one, would like to see you keep posting here. Hopefully we'll get this resolved ASAP and then I'll unban "Skepdick."

 

[Skepdick2]

Skepdick, I'm going to bring this up for discussion in the mod forum, because it sounds like there's a lot of stuff that went on that the mods weren't aware of. I, for one, would like to see you keep posting here. Hopefully we'll get this resolved ASAP and then I'll unban "Skepdick."

Sounds good, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get shit behind me and just have an account back here.

 

[kong1971]

I just want to know the whole story, for my own personal reasons.

I remember Gandolf from long ago. He was helpful, supportive... a pretty cool guy. I remember watching the vids on peforum and being so happy cause it looked like it would really work and I could finally have something I always wanted, which was a bigger crank.

I never liked skepdick. He was jealous, bitter and holier than thou. He said alot of things about me that I don't think are true and that I think were very unfair and spiteful.

I think the end of this thread could actually be something meaningful if you would just tell us the whole truth, from your perspective, about how this all came to pass and how Gandolf evolved into skepdick, whether you get banned for it or not. The honest truth. No more deception. No more avoiding the subject. Lay it all out so we can really decide what we think about you.

 

[kong1971]

And no cop-outs like "I don't think DLD wants the drama". If he was worried about drama, he would have canned my overly dramatic ass long ago! Put your money where your mouth is and show us some of the integrity you've been talking about lately. I'm not attacking you. All I'm asking for is the honest story. I think you owe me that since you deleted some of my threads that night, and tried to make me look bad on many, many occasions. Here's a chance to redeem yourself in my eyes, whether that means anything to you or not. The fantasy you had as Gandolf the Penis Enlargement Guru is over and its never coming back, but you CAN start make a fresh new start tonight. Right this instant.

 

[Skepdick2]

And no cop-outs like "I don't think DLD wants the drama". If he was worried about drama, he would have canned my overly dramatic ass long ago! Put your money where your mouth is and show us some of the integrity you've been talking about lately. I'm not attacking you. All I'm asking for is the honest story. I think you owe me that since you deleted some of my threads that night, and tried to make me look bad on many, many occasions. Here's a chance to redeem yourself in my eyes, whether that means anything to you or not. The fantasy you had as Gandolf the Penis Enlargement Guru is over and its never coming back, but you CAN start make a fresh new start tonight. Right this instant.

I already told you, I am not bringing the drama back up, it is long dead. If you can accept that, cool. If not, hey, your choice. I didn't break any rules the whole 10 months I posted as Skepdick. My threads about integrity didn't pertain to ethics in general, but moreso the forum, and how it is used mainly to live out fantasies about dick size as opposed to an informational forum about the mechanics of Penis Enlargement. Before this Gandolf stuff got brought up, the thread was going rather well and people were beginning to understand what I was talking about. Whether or not I was banned under a different name a year ago doesn't nullify anything I said.

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about with this "fantasy of Gandolf the Penis Enlargement guru." I NEVER CLAIMED A HUGE DICK AND I NEVER CLAIMED BIG GAINS. I gained a fraction of an inch in length and girth, which I no longer have as a result of erection problems. There was no fantasy.

 

[Chi]

I would also like to know your side of the story.

And I don´t think someone should be respected or looked upon as a Penis Enlargement guru just becouse they have big gains. I can tell someone knows what he talks about whether he has good gains or not. This may, in part, be the origin of many problems here.

I wish the newbies didn´t only focus on what the big gainers have done. That means missing a lot of other guys input.

 

[Skepdick2]

I would also like to know your side of the story.

And I don´t think someone should be respected or looked upon as a Penis Enlargement guru just becouse they have big gains. I can tell someone knows what he talks about whether he has good gains or not. This may, in part, be the origin of many problems here.

I wish the newbies didn´t only focus on what the big gainers have done. That means missing a lot of other guys input.

I am not going to give much details. Basically I questioned DLD's size in a conversation on AIM, and he flipped out at me, and then said some really nasty things. He had been a close friend and I talked to him on the phone everyday about a lot of stuff, including some abuse I endured as a child from my dad. I was very hurt by what he said as I viewed it as somewhat of a cheap shot, much like deleting the threads.

 

[kong1971]

Hmm... it's hard to have an open mind about all this when you're not exactly innocent of taking a few cheap shots at me and others here in the past. The line "My threads about integrity didn't pertain to ethics in general, but moreso the forum..." sounds an awful lot like "I wasn't talking about MY breach of ethics, just all of yours..." Although I do understand many of the points you made about being honest, if you can't understand why some of us are a little doubtful about your integrity and motivations now, then you really haven't learned anything at all. In the end, I do not think half as many men here are living some kind of fantasy life as you would like to believe and I have no patience for your arrogant and condescending attitude. I think the majority of this forum's members are honest with each other and work very hard in their attempts to enlarge their penis and improve their self-esteem and success at sex. We are not idiots. You are not smarter than all the rest of us. It's not the message we don't understand but the attitude that is not welcome. If you finally get that into your head, you might be able to stay unbanned.

 

[Skepdick2]

Kong, nothing in my threads mentioned ethics. I think that the ones that come here and bullshit and live out a fantasy aren't unethical, they aren't trying to hurt anyone. However, I think that they are detrimental to the forum and Penis Enlargement in general. Deleting threads was wrong, but I have no doubt that all the bullshit about the ROP and certain FR claims did more to hurt this place that a few missing threads. You are attempting to compare apples to oranges when you tell me that I have no place to comment on the absurdities of certain member's claims here because of things I did a year ago.

 

[koooky]

In the end, I think this will be an issue for the MODS and DLD to decide.
I for one will be avoiding this subject for the time being as I just don't get why you would even WANT to come back here. So, for now, I see this as an issue that I just don't want to be a part of and will wiat until the MODS and DLD have made a decision. IF it were put to a vote...esp. from the older members here, I wonder what the outcome would be?

kook

 

[Holdem]

Just to get back to the earlier discussion. It has me a little bummed out ? . I just finished my first month and I've been busting my hump. I have just posted a 3/8ths inch increase bone pressed( In my routines and progress thread ). I do think it's deceiving, I bone pressed the HELL out of that measurement.

I'm going to re-measure tonight and start going by non bone pressed. I'll still maybe post the bpel just because so many people do, and I do think it might give me a glimpse of gains in nbpel to come. I am still skeptical of pe, but there are so many seemingly honest posters I do have faith. :grab:

 

[kong1971]

Kong, nothing in my threads mentioned ethics... Deleting threads was wrong, but I have no doubt that all the bullshit about the ROP and certain FR claims did more to hurt this place that a few missing threads. You are attempting to compare apples to oranges when you tell me that I have no place to comment on the absurdities of certain member's claims here because of things I did a year ago.

Does not get it.

 

[kong1971]

Just to get back to the earlier discussion. It has me a little bummed out ? . I just finished my first month and I've been busting my hump. I have just posted a 3/8ths inch increase bone pressed( In my routines and progress thread ). I do think it's deceiving, I bone pressed the HELL out of that measurement.

I'm going to re-measure tonight and start going by non bone pressed. I'll still maybe post the bpel just because so many people do, and I do think it might give me a glimpse of gains in nbpel to come. I am still skeptical of pe, but there are so many seemingly honest posters I do have faith. :grab:

There is nothing wrong with measuring and reporting both numbers, so long as you know what they mean. I believe that you do know the difference between BP and NBP because you admit that you bonepressed the hell out of it. So long as you realize it and admit it, there is no deception, either of yourself or the forum in whole, because most of us also knows what "a hard BP" means.

My contention in this debate is only that we do not need Dick Nazi's here to monitor our measuring. There's just a little too much "holier than thou" to their posts about it. I think a nice official thread on measuring and the differences between BP and NBP would be sufficient, so that newbies are better educated about this. I don't see why certain members here are making a fuss instead of making an article about it. I would certainly be happy to sticky it right at the top of the newbie section. I would also be happy to participate in a poll on NBP measurements, if they wanted to create one instead of just carping about it.

I am going to monitor my non-bonepressed measurement more closely as well. The point these members have raised is a fair and valid one. I am also going to get back on my diet so that my NBP improves. However, I think this is all a big fuss about nothing. If someone posts a BP measured photo, I can subtract the fatpad from their measurement just like anyone else and arrive at their true NBP size. There's no need to roast a member over it or set yourself on a pedastal because you have less bodyfat.

 

[koooky]

I always measure BP since I had read a long time ago that it is the best measurement to try and track gains. Since I am so bad at tracking and logging progress, I can easily remember BP numbers and to push into the bone to get a consistent measurement. I thought most measured BP.

kook

 

[maurizio]

This issue of debate has always been something that I've been conscious of in my head. It just never made sense to me to measure length in more than one way, and the BP method is UNDISPUTEDLY more prone to error and exageration.

Do any of us think that in the Kinsey study, or the Lifestyles Study, or in any others, that the method of measurement was bonepressed?

I think not.

 

[thefranchise]

Yea seriously. I'm 7 inchs bone pressed, NBP im only 6.5. Sort of like with cars. You can have 200hp in the engine, but say only 160 of that is getting to the wheels. Whats the use of the extra half inch if it's not gonna be used unless you're slamming your girl hard, and even then, you'll be slamming her so hard she wont even notice the extra inch.

 

[koooky]

The point I always understood about BP is that it was more accurate than NBP because you had a definate starting point for your ruler. That was my point and there are many who feel that BP is the best way to track gains.

kook

 

[REDZULU2003]

Okay guys just a note, I know you've begun to do it anyways but try to keep the subject the same in this thread, anything regarding bannings as such needs another thread....for the record to end this, gandolf is skepdick, skepdick2, MisterBig, Chaos Lord, Gandolf2, The Joker and its being looked into about other members here being also the same person or teaming-up with him.
Lightning , the admin of this forum stands by his decision to ban gandolf and that is final....shit will not be tolerated at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] anymore.